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Act now against Net Neutrality

The time is coming that the left is going to begin its drive for Single Payer Internet, and so the time has come for us to fight back. Finland is gradually nationalizing the Internet and declaring use of other people’s Internet hardware a “right,” and the left is cheering. Obama’s “Internet Czar” does not hide the left’s hopes for an end to freedom and markets for Internet service.

FCC Chairman Julius Genachowski, President Barack Obama, and the rest of the radical left want to use the Net Neutrality movement as the crisis that gives cover to sweeping big government action, allowing the FCC to pick winners and losers and dictate to private individuals and firms how their private property must be run, putting government bureaucrats in charge of the Internet.

The dangers of the administration’s Net Neutrality plans are not theoretical:

Innovation will suffer, and America will no longer house the leading edge of the Internet technology. Wealth will be redistributed, as cash-rich, massive market valued Internet firms will bully and get a free ride on capital-intensive, smaller market valued telecommunications firms. Government will be deeply entrenched and be a costly burden to anyone who conducts business or pleasure on the Internet. One of the drivers of American economic growth will be crippled in a time when we most need new jobs.

Last, FCC Commissioner Robert McDowell warns of Internet censorship to come as Genachowski’s sweeping regulations would provide the basis for an Internet “Fairness Doctrine.” He sees what’s going on at the FCC and knows what it is capable of. Some conservatives have signed onto radical socialist groups like Save the Internet because they were led to believe that telecoms would censor them, when in fact they’ve jumped from the frying pan of big corporations to the fire of big government censorship. One can always get a new ISP in a competitive market if a particular firm becomes anti-Christian, anti-2nd Amendment, or anti-Republican in general. Choosing a new government is less practical.

Therefore, now is the time to act. We must tell the FCC to get its hands off of the Internet, allow competition to rule, and to protect the Internet from any threats to our first amendment rights. Everywhere government has taken an active role as Internet Nanny, such as in Australia or the People’s Republic of China, freedom and prosperity have suffered.

Please, Contact the FCC. Let’s flood the system letting them know our opposition to their plans. Google thinks we’ll believe their Orwellian formulation that an Internet under greater regulation will be more open. We know better. Let’s speak up.

COMMENTS

  • dropoutpolitican

    Ignoring the incendiaryness of your post I’d like to point out a few things. As far as ‘dictate to private individuals and firms how their private property must be run’, I’d like to point out that most major telecoms dictate how you use your private property via EULAs. It’s also definitely worth noting that while the telecoms own the lines and the equipment they do not pay property tax or any form of lease to run lines above or under ground. If they feel they can discriminate against traffic flowing across their equipment than I feel I should be able to, as a citizen of my municipality, charge them for the use of our public land, every single square inch.

    Linking to an article that links to free market think tanks complaining regulation will stunt innovation is like linking to a animal rights think tank run by KFC, there is a clear and definitive axe to grind and it’s not related to the point at hand. Also, if you seriously think America houses the leading edge of internet technology then you obviously know very little about quality of service inside the US compared to the rest of the world.

    As far as a ‘Fairness Doctrine’, my favorite conservative straw argument, The only president to effectively regulate content on the internet was President Bush in regards to online gambling. The COPA law passed under the Clinton administration has never survived a day in court against First Amendment claims, so as much as you want to cry would at censorship, if the government can’t even censor porn how are they going to censor anything else?

    You also have a clear false assumption that these companies operate in a competitive market, they don’t. There are generally 2 main competitors who after different types of services in any given area because of various regulations. All of the major telecoms in the country are deeply involved with content providers who would love nothing more than to censor the internet to further their own desires and views, leaving you with no real alternatives. I do, however agree that our current regulations regarding rollouts need to be adjusted as they force telecoms to invest in areas of a city that do not result in a return on that investment.

    But as I said above, the simple fact is the government still has been unable to require you to prove you’re 18 before you can see explicit content because of first amendment objections, how honestly do you think they can censor anything?

  • Trillian

    Let’s start by calling it Net Theft.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I find it telling that in the end you admit that i’m right, and want us to hang our liberties on the hope that Obama will continue to be an incompetent buffoon.

  • dropoutpolitican

    I hang our liberties on our constitution. I do not post to be incendiary or to throw insults here or there simply because someone disagrees with me. I post for reasonable and intelligent debate on issues instead of firebranding. I did not admit that you were right on any occasions, I simply stated that I agree with conservatives about adjusting roll out regulations because they are harmful to innovation.

    If you consider a President who, in my above post, would be unable to usurp the constitution a ‘boffoon’, than does that make someone who is successful in doing so a genius? Is that the kind of logic you want to use to create demagogy?

    It seems to me that you were unable to refute any of my points with any serious evidence and instead resort to childish behavior and straw arguments and clinging to a cession that I made to an argument that wasn’t yours.

    I’d also like to point out your comment in the original post:

    “One can always get a new ISP in a competitive market if a particular firm becomes anti-Christian, anti-2nd Amendment, or anti-Republican in general. Choosing a new government is less practical.”

    It seemed pretty easy for the people of this country to choose a new government last November. I as a citizen who takes my right and luxury to vote on my representatives find it very insulting for you to consider my right to do so as unpractical simply because you are unhappy with the outcome of the previous election.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Google?

  • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

    after all…. how is someone to call the Police if everyone isn’t guaranteed to have a Home Phone if an intruder murders them for their TV set or Radio (other innovations that rightly were never opened up to this insane line of thought-control) … since we’re not supposed to have any Guns to defend ourselves with!

    NOTE to visiting Lefties: don’t bother to read it even again… you still will have no clue and be unable to grasp it no matter how many times you review the concept.

  • http://www.ssce.net/Web-Articles/Web-articles-indexed-authors.html#authors-l JLenardDetroit

    They just block and use overt threats to control information flow and control…. this stuff is unprecidented! I guess the Lefties are correct, ObamaBinBiden and his merry band of Radicals don’t want to be Mao-ists…. they want to go ABOVE AND BEYOND their idols!!!! Of course, it’s always couched in the “For the Children” such non-sense and the name of the “Education” (read: Indoctrination/Control) line of bull……….

  • Robert A. Hahn
      If they feel they can discriminate against traffic flowing across their equipment than I feel I should be able to, as a citizen of my municipality, charge them for the use of our public land, every single square inch.

    That is a sufficiently inane statement that it becomes difficult to take anything that follows seriously. Companies have lots of places where the money goes out, but there’s only one place where it comes in: from the customers. You propose to charge them higher taxes? OK, they’ll charge you higher rates. Where else could they get the money to pay your new taxes? Beam it down from the Enterprise? What you said there is really, really, stupid. Please do not do that again.

  • http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/blog/loren_heal Socrates

    Ignoring the incendiaryness of your post

    Actually, by saying it was, you did not ignore it.

    I?d like to point out a few things. As far as ?dictate to private individuals and firms how their private property must be run?, I?d like to point out that most major telecoms dictate how you use your private property via EULAs.

    No, they dictate how you will use *their* property. You may do whatever you wish on your own equipment. It’s only when bits get transferred on the lines they own, through routers they own, that they have any say whatsoever.

    It?s also definitely worth noting that while the telecoms own the lines and the equipment they do not pay property tax or any form of lease to run lines above or under ground.

    They pay taxes aplenty. You are not taxed on the air you breathe (yet). Should the government therefore get to control how much of the free air they will let you breathe?

    If they feel they can discriminate against traffic flowing across their equipment than I feel I should be able to, as a citizen of my municipality, charge them for the use of our public land, every single square inch.

    Your authoritarian, government-ownership-of-the-Earth mentality is abhorrent. It reeks of servitude.

    But you say “if they feel they can discriminate”. Let’s slow down and take that word by every ill-considered word.

    IF. This is a hypothetical problem, since companies are not yet doing it, at least not on a wide scale. As I understand it, two times on the enitre Internet in the last 5 years, some company or another has tried to charge either more to move competitor’s bits than their own, or more to move some kind of traffic than another kind.

    THEY. Who is this “they”? If the world were ordered as it should be, “they” would be you and I, each with our WiFi hub, cable Internet modem, 3G wireless phone, and Ethernet cable run between our houses, and that of our other neighbors, in a dense mesh. Then you and I agree to carry traffic bound for elsewhere. It’s called “peering”, and is why the Internet works.

    As long as we each pay our upstream provider(s), neither of us worries too much that sometimes we have to carry the other’s traffic. But if you drop your upstream connection to save money, I’m going to block your traffic. Similarly, if you choose a cut-rate ISP, I’m not going to give you the same priority I give the rest of the neighborhood.

    For ISPs, that’s the boat they’re in. In a peering environment, the only way they can signal their unhappiness with one another is to throttle bandwidth.

    FEEL. I want to puke. Companies don’t feel, unless they want to get eaten alive.

    FEEL THEY CAN. Translation: WANT TO RISK.

    DISCRIMINATE (ING). What a loaded word. But I’ll let it stand, because it’s important to you to frame this in a civil rights context, and I’m all about charity in debate.

    What happens if a company fails to discriminate among the various types of traffic it is asked to carry? They only have a certain amoun of bandwidth, after all. Even you must recognize that there is a limit to the amount of bandwidth they can allocate. But consider their preparation for Denial of Service attacks and other bandwidth spikes. They have to be able to throttle things down under normal circumstances, so that there is bandwidth left for peak times.

    So the customers who run P2P mirrors of every music download, YouTube video, and Linux distribution have the same priority as the people reading their blog. Guess who is happy? Hint: it’s not the blogger.

    As for the rest of your twaddle, I’m not wasting any more time on it.

  • http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/blog/loren_heal Socrates

    It’s becoming very clear to those of us who watch these things that on the Internet, the customer is even more king that ever before. We can complain more loudly, band together almost instantaneously, and our words have a way of sticking around a long time.

  • illinoisconservative

    your calls to only their customers, you seem to be ok with that? If you want to call your Mom on another phone company, it’s ok for them to charge you triple? Or not connect the call?

    You said:

    “No, they dictate how you will use *their* property. You may do whatever you wish on your own equipment. It?s only when bits get transferred on the lines they own, through routers they own, that they have any say whatsoever.”

    Do you see how absurd that line of reasoning is?

    Net neutrality has been hijacked by those who wish to have unlimited access to anything, anytime. That’s just stupid.

    The providers should indeed be able to limit one’s amount of access. They have no business limiting the level of access to any particular content. “Neutrality” needs to be defined as the same rules (and prices) for all content, regardless of the provider. The providers should always be able to regulate bandwidth to a particular user as long as it is content neutral.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    illinoisconservative, you need to get informed about the actual facts of the situation. Only one telecom provider is cutting off access to select endpoints, and that’s Google.

    The firm whose pet regulations you’re promoting.

    Get the facts before you argue.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

    Charge more for calls to people on another company’s service.

    In addition, those of you saying “taxes” they don’t pay… where do you think all those fees come from? You look at commercials on the tube stating a price for service, You sign up because it’s a good deal, and then you get a bill that’s almost twice as high. There are federal taxes, FCC fees, internet access fees (whether you use their service or not), and so on until you’re nickeled and dimed to a double the amount of actual service bill.

    The government essentially owns half of it via those fees and taxes and now they want the whole thing.

    Neil, great article deserving of a recco but I can’t since it’s on the front page, :-)

  • illinoisconservative

    But the whole Google Voice broohaha has muddied the waters somewhat.

    Is Google Voice an internet service? Or, is Google Voice a telecom service?

    If GV is a telecom service, it should be subjected to the same rules and regs as other traditional telecom providers.

    I was referring only to providers of internet services to homes and businesses… end-user providers… gateways to the internet. Those providers should not be allowed to ban or throttle access to selected web sites or services.

    You state in your story that you can always get another service provider. That is often not the case. Many areas in the country have internet access available from only one provider. That one provider cannot be allowed to steer you to its internet services by blocking or downgrading access to other services once connected.

  • 10ksnooker

    This is a direct attack on free speech … Everybody will get the same crappy service and when the time comes, the same net nanny as they have in Mao lands.

  • Next93

    I thought that Net Neutrality was the idea that data is treated the same wasy by the fabric of the network, regarless of the origin or destination (withthe exception of time-dependent data, which the internet protocol really doesn’t handle well). In other words, the system that’s in place now.

    It seems to me that the carriers and ISPs are making money from the current arrangement; maybe not as much as they’d like, but lets face it, no one EVER makes as much money as they’d like. If they’re currently operating at a loss, they need to either get more efficient, or they should get out of the business and open up market share to people who can do it more efficiently – a little thing I like to call “captialism” (I know, it’s a radical concept in this culture). I’m NOT in favor of altering the rules of the network if the only purpose is to protect inefficient carriers, or to transfer profitability from the content providers to the carriers.

    I’m a fan of the current arrangment because it has, for the first time, made “freedom of the press” a reality for everyone, not just people who can afford a press. It’s offered the possibility of new forms of communication – which means that we’ve been freed of dependence on the traditional media (and as conservatives, we should REALLY be celebrating this!!).

    So, other than making it possible for Google (and its jerk CEO) to make a ton of money, what’s the problem with the current arrangement? What am I missing here?

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    The left is using the Net Neutrality banner as the crisis with which to push through sweeping socialist action.

    It’s a scam.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    If you’re not supporting the Obama/Genachowski/Google plan, does that mean we agree?

    And if so what are you on about?

  • Next93

    It’s hard to belevie that this administration would do something so sneaky and underhanded. No, wait…

  • http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/blog/loren_heal Socrates

    The phone company is a monopoly, or at least it was.

    Now, if it costs triple to call one company from another, I just choose a different phone company. Or I get on the net and tell people. It doesn’t take much of that before businesses get the word.

    There is no need for regulation here.

  • dropoutpolitican

    I ignored it by not commenting on it.

    No, they do in their EULA try and dictate how you use your own property, I’d recommend reading one sometime, I believe Comcast still disallows you from using a router at all, or at least attempts to do so.

    They do pay taxes, but to the State and Federal, I was not talking about them, I was talking about the physical land they use from the city or municipality who’s usage is allowed with good faith. I’m not promoting authoritarian, although you seem to wish I was to prove a point. We as citizens offer telecom companies breaks on usage of public land because we understand that its for a greater good, I, as a citizen who makes this exception expect to be returned the favor. I was not promoting, as someone else suggested, that we threaten to tax or else, I was illustrating the length at which cities and municipalities go to offer good faith to telecoms to help promote their services and businesses for its citizens.

    Your misconception of how the internet works is very apparent. Peering does not happen at the neighborhood level anywhere, there is, generally, one single ILEC who services the lines for the entire area. Competition is created by federal requirements that CLECs be allowed to lease the lines an use them. You do not get into any kind of peering until after its hit the ILEC’s backbone. Of note too there has been a relatively dramatic shift in how traffic flows in just the past few years across peering networks, tier 1 providers, the ones that everyone has contracts with, are more and more being used less and less, which will at some point require renegotiation of those contracts of transit rights and costs.

    You also disassemble my comment in a context of market competitiveness and as anyone who knows anything about the US telecom industry it is far from that. There are not cut-rate ISPs unless we discuss dialup. That’s where the problem truly lies, I believe that honest market competition is a key to any thriving industry and the betterment of services offered to citizens and consumers. But that’s not a possibility in such a market place as telecom because of the inherent capital requirements and barriers of running your own lines, as well as the burden on municipalities on having to manage that many under/above ground wires. In any given area, except heavy metropolises, there are generally 2 broadband providers, one offering ADSL one offering Cable. Some areas you only have one because of last mile costs. Because of the way bundling works in the industry ISP selection is more about convenience (do I already have an account with them so they don’t charge more for the service) than about choice, couple that with increasingly anti-competitive contracting that are starting to involve early termination fees and you have a market that, despite your suggestion that consumers could just jump ship, consumers would be hard pressed to be able to do so.

    You clearly miss the mark on what net neutrality is and mistake the only way for an ISP to control bandwidth is to discriminate against traffic types, this is not the case. We’ve already seen this issue brought up widely with Comcast and P2P traffic, there is a whole list out there of ISPs who traffic shape and discriminate against traffic type, there was a smaller local ISP, again no competition results in one carrier in the area, who banned VOIP from crossing their network, a clearly anti-competitive action to force you as a consumer to use their telephony solutions. That’s the reason for net neutrality, as someone below note it’s not about allow all you can eat service, however, with the recent information regarding profits from online distribution of media and games I don’t think it’ll be long before that becomes the norm as well at the urging of content providers. The alternative to traffic shaping is already deployed in many countries, most notably Australia and have already been test deployed in a few parts of the country here by major ISPs. They operate on the idea that, depending on what your connection speed is, you have X amount of GB you can download per month, if you go over, your connection is throttle and then you get overage fees.

    I’d also like to point out that you ignored my argument in regards to the potential for censorship with net neutrality, which was my key point in regard to the demagogy that was being passed off as factual certainty and clearly the center point of the author’s argument against net neutrality.

  • seandparnell

    Are you really that misinformed? I’m surprised that nobody here has called you on this obvious untruth.

    Lets see, here’s an article on franchise fees and right-of-way fees:
    http://www.heartland.org/publications/infotech%20telecom/article/18347/Abolish_Franchise_Fees.html

    Here’s one on property taxes paid by cable companies on their physical assets: http://www.maao.org/content/Policy%20Statement.pdf

    And here’s a little study I participated in on taxes paid specifically on telecom services (I did the comparisons to other goods and services, finding that in some jurisdictions telecom services are taxed more heavily than alcohol or tobacco): http://www.heartland.org/publications/policy%20studies/article/21104/No_113_Taxes_and_Fees_on_Communication_Services.html

    In my job don’t have a position one way or another on “net neutrality,” although I’m somewhat wary of the censorship opportunities it presents. But come on, man – you don’t have to so blatantly misrepresent the truth to make your point.

    Sean Parnell
    President
    Center for Competitive Politics
    http://www.campaignfreedom.org

  • JSobieski

    I use comcast from a variety of commercial and residential locations, each of which has a router.

    I have an idea. Pretend that you are either Verizon and AT&T.

    Invest about $20B in some nice vacation houses, some jet planes, heck maybe even a spaceship.

    Then share those assets with me on a 50/50 basis.

    I promise not to even thank you for it.

  • JSobieski

    Just as environmentalism is not per se bad, it represents a hijacked movement which must be stopped. After the radical leftists are defeated, we can then go back to actually looking at the issue on a point by point basis and look for reasonable improvements.

  • LibertarianHawk

    “I?d like to point out that most major telecoms dictate how you use your private property via EULAs.”

    Do you realize just how nonsensical that statement is? You do realize that we all have the choice of whether or not to contract with this or that company, right? And that very much includes telecom companies.

    Because we have that choice, no company — telecom or otherwise — can truly “dictate” anything to any of us. All we merely need to do is say “No, thanks” and take our business elsewhere.

    Neil’s blog hit the nail on the head: “Net Neutrality” is a really bad, albeit seductive, idea. It’s inviting the government into a room they’ve thus far been unable to penetrate. And I’m relatively certain that most people who favor the idea will end up regretting it.

    They’re making the mistake of thinking that regulators will always stand up for their interests (better, anyway, than the companies they’d regulate would) — when history would suggest that nothing could be farther from the truth.

  • illinoisconservative

    This administration has shown it will blatantly take control of any and all facets of our lives. I want them to keep their hands off the internet.

    The only regulation I would want is one that guarantees all users the same access to all services regardless of the end-point provider.

    The speed at which you can access those services is another matter.. and that should be left to the consumer and provider as a contractual matter as long as all services can avail themselves of the same bandwidth.

  • lara33

    Net Neutrality is a joke but the bigger joke is that the Obama people actually think they can control the internet. Do they even realize that a new site with a new IP can be brought right back up in a matterr of seconds? Data can be moved to other servers. Anybody with a web connection can put up a web site and anybody with a web connection can access it. There are software progrmans that can change the IP adddress of a server every few seconds making nearly impossible to geographically locate. Sure, you can block the IP address but again, it can be changed in seconds. To even talk about controlling the internet is ridiculous, Obama’s people vastly under estimate the PC generation and their addiction to instant news, movies, songs, information, web-porno and whatever else you can put on a web page. Even die hard Obama fans will freak out if the internent is regulated by big brother. I think this issue could be his waterloo because it will infuriate his 18-45 year old base beyound any reason. They no longer know how to live without instant access to instant everything.

  • http://www.scottbomb.com scottbomb

    The internet – in “crisis” (funny, I never noticed anything wrong with my connections….)

    Health care – a “crisis”.

    “Global warming” – the biggest hoax of our time – a “crisis”.

    And the only REAL crisis is in the Middle East and our economy. Yet Obama is both clueless and dangerous on both.

    Yep, we got “change” alright. I’m still waiting for the “hope”.

  • http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/blog/loren_heal Socrates

    I see downthread that you are arguing only for endpoint neutrality. But you said to me:

    “Your misconception of how the internet works is very apparent. Peering does not happen at the neighborhood level anywhere, there is, generally, one single ILEC who services the lines for the entire area.”

    I was clearly laying out a hypothetical situation of a local mesh. I know that in essentially every case, consumers have only one ISP and do not connect to one another.

    My point about allowing utilities ‘free’ access to rights of way is that these entities are taxed, and taxed heavily, and that tax is expressly levied on the basis of the public grant of resources. In short, you are simply wrong.

    As for endpoint neutrality, there is now competition for the last mile. People are free to choose among cable, DSL, 3G wireless, satellite, and WiFi, though of course not all of those are available everywhere. Almost everyone has more than one option.

    There is no need for additional regulation at all.

  • DaveWT4

    Dropping all the technobabble, the main fear of supporters of Net Neutrality is that their ISP will cut off access to their favorite websites in favor of their own private networks.

    The problem with this premise is that its already been tried and failed as a model for an ISP! Remember all the private networks on Prodigy, AOL, and CompuServe? What happened to all them? The open Internet killed them all. Customers preferred open, unlimited access to the Internet, and any ISP that didn’t offer it lost subscribers.

    Any ISP that tries to turn back the clock and force customers to use their own content will go out of business, period. The Free Market works, if you just get out of its way and let it!

  • aesthete

    are you seriously hanging our First Amendment rights on the “will of the people”? If so, I don’t know what to say other than that it is a long and winding road, with little to recommend it.

    Also, if you didn’t like Bush’s regulations per online gambling (full disclosure: I despise that Pres. Bush signed that bill), then why would you argue that censorship’s really not a bad thing? It’s bad enough that you’re na?ve and foolish; at least be intellectually honest enough to be consistent.

  • aesthete

    after you mixed up “municipal government” with “federal government”.

  • billf

    ..but not for the same reason as Next193. I’m a very conservative guy and I have no problem stepping in to stop the government from abrogating my rights, but I don’t understand what it is that the government is trying to do, or at least what it is that that is being professed that the government is trying to do. I have a very clear understanding of what is happening with healthcare because it is right there in black and white. But this Net Neutrality issue that you speak of; all I see is “They are trying to…” When I search for more info I don’t find anything substantial. Please provide some more, factual, definitive, information that an ordinary, concerned person like myself can get behing. Thanks

  • billf

    Google seems to be getting painted as the bad guys in this issue. Yet I see a Google Calendar embedded in this page. Whenever I’m virulently opposed to how an enterprise conducts itself I disassociate myself from that enterprise.

  • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

    Under net neutrality an ISP would be constrained from charging higher rates for those who use the system the most. They also cannot change the rate of transmission.Therefore if an ISP thought that one of its users was taking up 40% of their bandwidth they could not place a surcharge, nor put the client on slower servers.

    The result of this meddling is that hackers, down-loaders, spam blogs and other nuisances would get to use up most of the band width and continue to slow down service for everyone.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Read the links from my links.

    You can lead a horse to water but you can’t make him think.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • Warrior

    With Cap and Tax, the current bunck of wacko libs are indeed trying to tax the air we breathe, even as we speak.

    “Dropoutpolitician” sounds like my accountant, a nice guy, but a little liberal, who thinks it outrageous that people who inherit properties or businesses which have increased in value since origially purchased, built or started do not have to pay a tax on amount of increase as well as a capital gains tax on the current value. He thinks these people are somehow “getting away with something.” Indeed they are. They are “getting away” with their own property nearly intact.

    I simply cannot fathom people who sit around dreaming up ways for the gubmint to tax them MORE. Incredible…

  • http://www.thecampofthesaints.com robertbelvedere

    Quoted from and linked to at:
    GET UP, STAND UP, STAND UP FOR YOUR RIGHTS

  • Warrior

    regulate internet porn is because they “won’t” do it. It would abrogate their longstanding (and erroneous) claim that pornography is covered by the First Amendment, which it most assuredly is not.

    The Founding Fathers did not pledge their lives, their fortunes and their sacred honor because they weren’t getting enough porn in the Old Country.

    They risked everything to, among other things, protect the people’s right to engage in freewheeling political discussion such as is found on the internet everyday.

  • voxoreason

    I’m not worried about censorship, although I would expect it. I simply can’t think of a more efficient way for those who disagree with the present administration to get those who dissent on a list in a computer (or several) in the White House, DOJ, etc. The possibilities are endless.

    We post using aliases to protect our privacy. On the other hand, computer genuises spend their time finding ways to bypass our privacy and hack our computers, then help themselves to our private information.

    The dangers of net neutrality far outweigh any “benefit,” as this seems to be an “end justifies the means” thing, the means being the ability for the most powerful in our government to have the identity of anyone they please at the speed of light (okay, the speed of electricity).

    I read that early in the new century, the mention of several words relating to terrorism or might seem to be in furtherance of terrorism would route a copy of your email into DC computers. Given the variety of meanings words can have (a performer “kills” the audience or perhaps “blows them away,” but no violence is intended), there’s no telling just WHAT might trip some trigger that sends your personal info to a DC computer.

    This is about as close to Big Brother as I can imagine.

    Those who aren’t paranoid aren’t paying attention. We put doors and windows in our houses and lock them. But if someone wants to get in your house badly enough, …

    God bless and be safe

  • Warrior

    Whenever the Federal Gubmint gets involved in private enterprise, it becomes more costly, is of poorer quality, takes longer to get and even longer to get repaired.

    You can take that to the bank.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    If you have big corporations on both sides of a dispute, don’t side with the ones calling for bigger government.

  • The_Gadfly

    http://americansforprosperity.org/102009-phil-kerpen-and-glenn-beck-discuss-net-neutrality

    The Big 0 and his minion czars are working a complex interaction scheme so you can’t see what’s happening. Think of it as a three part liquid explosive; none of the components alone is dangerous, but when you put all three of them together, kaboom.

    Looking at the people behind this, even if I agreed with the end point of what they wanted to do, I’d opt against doing until they were WELL out of the picture.

    Oh, and when I did the Google search for the Beck segments, the only things that appeared on my first search were “debunking” pieces from outfits like Think Progress. You want to see corporate censorship in action, that’s a good example.

  • The_Gadfly

    I doubt this would even be an issue. But under the guise of “natural monopoly” they created the very mess they now claim they can fix.

    Good post Neil. We need to keep the pressure on. I still haven’t decided whether or not I support the original proposals for net neutrality, but I sure don’t support this. It strikes me that on some level you need to guarantee that all the packets sent eventually get delivered, but I don’t have a problem with networks setting up tiers that prioritize something along the lines of:

    1. Voice
    2. Text and pictures
    3. Downloads

    Although I’m not quite sure what to do with streaming video. On the one hand it seems to require the priority of voice, but on the other its probably more of a congestion drag than downloads. In any event, it certainly requires a threshold bandwidth before being viable, and if you aren’t willing to pay for the bandwidth, I don’t see any reason why those who do work should pay it for you.

  • dclamage

    Of course telecoms pay leases for overhead/underground cabling! They were forced during an anti-trust suit to sublet at below-cost rates to local ISP’s, in order to make it easier for smaller competitors to enter the local markets.

  • dsvet

    bandwidth as I can pay for. Nothing wrong with that. Just make sure my packets move at the same speed as everyone elses.

  • fletch42

    Do you agree that neutrality should address the speed at which services can be accessed in terms of delivering all content of equal type at an equal speed? In other words, Google Voice has no faster delivery than Skype, or one video service faster than another based on which content provider is willing or able to pay more to that ISP, or who has a partnership deal with that ISP?

  • fletch42

    Net neutrality doesn’t address whether the end user pays more or less for faster or slower service. It addresses whether the the content from one provider is delivered more quickly than content from another to the end user. It prevents an ISP from giving preferntial (faster) delivery to content coming from Google than from a new startup just because Google is willing to pay more for it. A lack of neutrality in this case puts delivery speed up for bid and stifles competition from content providers.

    Net Neutrality simply forces ISP’s to treat all traffic coming from content providers to the end users equally (The ISP is neutral with regard to the sender). The main question is, “do you want your ISP deciding which companies are able to deliver their content to you fastest?” (or at all).

    This is a holdover from Common Carriage, which placed the same regulation on railroads and telecoms since the beginning.

  • fletch42

    Billf,

    Bill Moyers did an excellent piece on this a few years ago. Look it up and you can watch a video of the show that investigated. He also did one on media consolidation that’s vitally connected to this issue in this way: If a media conglomerate can gain control over the newspapers and tv and radio stations in a given market, the consumer may be unknowingly getting all his information from one corporate source. There used to be rules against this, but they were removed by the FCC under the Bush Adminstration. The internet remains the one source of information that still has the potential to be independent in this scenario. If Net Neutrality is not reinstated (it was struck down after being in place since the days of the early railroads and telecoms when it was called Common Carrier), then wealthy corporate content providers who also own the newspapers etc can pay an ISP for faster delivery than independent content providers. We all know that users prefer web sites that load more quickly, so smaller startups and those without huge financial resources can?t compete. Small independent voices can?t compete.

    It’s yet another step in dismantling your ability to gain information from multiple independent sources. Do you really want your ISP determining which sites you can and can’t access, or which ones load more quickly or slowly? Those who are trying to prevent this are being painted as communists (naturally) by whom? Large media outlets who know they can rely on readers of blogs like this to rabidly repeat their talking points. In reality, democracy only works when EVERYONE has equal access to information, not just those with money.

    Do yourself a favor and look up and watch the Bill Moyers show, even if it’s just a starting point. Find and evaluate the (rational) arguments on both sides and decide for yourself. Even Wikipedia has a pretty informative and balanced bit of information. This is an incredibly important issue and everyone should be as informed as possible.