Why this time is different

http://www.hopeychangemas.com VizBiz

I said it once and I’ll say it again, we cannot allow Republicans to use this as a carrot and stick (fix this and that) for votes as they do with taxes.

It must be repealed in whole not in part! If you are a Republican and you don’t run on this, you loose.

drohan00

we need to spend our time keeping the people informed. I don’t think the Tea Party crowd is going to stop. Remember the U.S. Chamber of Commerce and the NFIB can now openly run ad in favor of candidates. They need to stay involved.

Boccieri and Space from Ohio should be toast. I think if we run on repeal of the tax breaks and repeal of the individual mandate, we’ll win more than enough seats to win back the house.

Ask the people of California and Massachusetts what unfettered liberal healthcare in their states has done to thier budgets! I think they’ll tell you that its bad stuff.

Section9

People must be told that the spending projections were lies, and that this will lead to higher taxes and national bankruptcy. Republicans must be ruthless and uncompromising.

youthgrunt

that this is a 3 year fight. We need to take the House and Senate in 2010, but this will have no impact without 1) taking the Presidency in 2012 and 2) reaching 60 votes in the Senate in 2012. Otherwise we will not be able to do what is suggested here.

Fortunately, the law was written in a way that makes that possible! The parts of the bill that will be hard to turn back (like the insurance mandate) will not take effect until after the 2012 election.

Thomas_Hauber

The insurance mandate is the most likely part that the courts will overturn on Constitutional grounds.

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

There are things we can do with one house, short of a full-up repeal, that mitigate Obamacare’s damage.

Most notably: nothing gets appropriated without our approval.

eastbaylarry

If your state has not started with this yet, GET INVOLVED!

Then there are the inevitable SCOTUS challenges. This bill IS unconstitutional, so let’s prove it!

Then, after the dems are voted out we work on repeal. I’m NOT hopeful about repeal, but we must try!

If we CAN, impeachment would be best for the country. That would get this bald-faced socialist out of office in disgrace.

yoyo

Are we predators or are we prey?

Personally, I refuse to run for my life and look over my shoulder. I would much rather go hungry during the hunt only to bask in the satisfaction of victory as we take EACH. AND. EVERY. ONE. OF. THESE. FASCIST. DEMS. DOWN.

But, hey. Thats me and a good few others.

So, you go do what you want to do. But keep in mind, you are either the predator or the prey. We see you, and it is your choice.

youthgrunt

But the argument has been for full repeal. We cannot have a full repeal without a lot more than one house.

If we can get just one house (I would want the House over the Senate, if I could only choose one), there is a LOT that can be done. We can stop the worst of the bleeding–immigration seems to be the next target on the horizon–but it will not be enough to get the regulations that are introduced in this monstrosity removed.

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

Nullification is for losers. Impeachment isn’t going to happen.

Instead, Sue. And win elections.

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

Fight. Win.

youthgrunt

will be over individual parts of the bill, not the entirety of it. The mandate can be challenged (and, I think, won). I suspect that the mandates on what the insurance can cover can be challenged, but how effective the challenge would be is dicey.

But the taxes will not be challenged and will have to be turned back via legislation.

eastbaylarry

why are 37 states already moving this way?

True, not all these are true ‘nullification’, but this open state rejection of this bill IS important.

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

I’m lumping partial repeals and rollback with a total repeal, which we won’t get in 2011 because Obama will still be president.

I’ll take every inch of forward movement possible, though. In fact I insist upon it.

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

azaeroprof

I agree with everything you said, Neil. But give us a day or two to mourn and bury our dead. The country did that after Gettysburg (OK, not the perfect analogy as the Union WON that battle!), though actually for a month or two. Then Lincoln gave his amazing speech, the nation bucked up and went on to win the war.

I think it’s important that we work through our grief over this rather than pretend we didn’t just lose a major battle. We can then put it behind us and move forward more resolute than ever.

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

Say that to the people out there who are declaring we just lost the war because we just lost the battle.

eastbaylarry

Yes sure SUE! I said that in my first comment. But you see no value in pursuing ALL other options?

youthgrunt

Personally, I think that what I am suggesting is quite achievable! I think that 60 votes in the Senate is doable in 2012. I certainly think that the Presidency is reachable in 2012. To your point, one house is easily obtainable in 2010 if we work for it. I think we could get both the House and the Senate this year.

But the “realism” that I want in the picture is that we cannot completely recover from this in one year. To quote so many, “elections have consequences” and the GOP lost its way and it will take a while to recover.

It has other implications that once we do win and fix (which I think we will) we will have to stay vigilant to keep the GOP going the right way.

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

The tenth amendment in fact gives no remedies for its enforcement. Try reading it sometime and you’d know that.

Nullification does not appear in the Constitution. It’s something made up by political losers who are so out of touch with American values that they ca n’t even win elections.

Don’t emulate them. Don’t emulate the whack-jobs at Hartford and the tyrants of the Slave Power who invented it.

azaeroprof

I was basically just echoing your sentiment. My only point was that many of us who are mourning but not surrendering may sound like Eeyores today. But wait a day or two and we’ll be charged back up. Then we’ll know who the real defeatists are.

http://www.hopeychangemas.com VizBiz

It will take some time to lick the wounds and bury the dead. In the meantime we will be mulling over this legislation for unconstitutional parts that we didn’t already know about. I’m betting that there is a whole lot more that has yet to be uncovered.

youthgrunt

Some are arguing for ONLY total repeal. I think that all must be repealed, but if that is your goal, it will take a while.

Let’s gut the blasted thing as quickly as possible.

Killing the mandate actually destroys the entire “value” of the bill which should make getting rid of the rest easier to get through Congress. Partial repeals also have the benefit of not having a major incident like we had this weekend.

youthgrunt

to GOP volunteers if not tonight, this week. Now is the time to work toward the November fight. People understand today what the fight is over.

izoneguy

and is available to read in black & white – it will be clear for many what to do going forward. Up until now the democrats have played fast & lose with the details of the bill. They are very stupid in passing it now.
This gives us seven months to show what a crappy deal this will be.
Democrats will have nothing to hide behind.

youthgrunt

I thought that if the GOP stopped this bill and then won the House this fall that Boehner would become Speaker of the House. Does anyone think that now if we win we can get Rep. Pence into the Speaker chair?

eastbaylarry

include SCOTUS challenges and, I believe, there is value in this.

If the national governemnt is creating laws that have no basis in the constitution, including stepping on the stated rights of the States and individuals, THAT needs to be fought.

Nullification is a CONCEPT based upon the tenth amendment, although not stated as such in that document. It IS however still worth consideration.

Why would you want this bullet to be left out of our arsenal?

CincoSolas_del_Bronx

NoDoze

Every conservative who has an internet connection should start a massive database of opposition research on the enemy. At some point this info can be funneled into a web page for all to access. If any Dem/Progressive or potential Progressive candidate has ever even spit on the sidewalk (that used to be a misdemeanor in some towns), it will become publicly available.

The second thing we can do is to put a human face on the horrible results of Obamacare. Frankly, I don’t understand why we haven’t had reporters with cameras in Canada, the UK, and other places in the world that have socialized medicine, taking actual pictures and statements of people who have been denied health care by that system. We need the sad stories of survivors of people who have died waiting for critical health care in these places. It works for the Progressives, and they don’t care whether or not the stories are true. We can shame them with the truth. Why aren’t we doing it?

My daughter went to her doctor who had a brother in the UK. His brother needed life-saving surgery, which he couldn’t get because of the long waiting list. The doctor had to fly his brother to America to get treatment, and his brother survived.

Conservatives need to get serious now.

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

The Federalists tried it and in fact got destroyed as a meaningful political movement.

The Slave Power tried it and they ended up getting crushed electorally by an upstart party called the Republicans.

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

…to borrow from sports draft prediction vernacular.

Cussing at Obey on the floor really won him some fans.

ranthony

Have Social Security, Medicare or Medicaid ever been repealed?

Just a thought.

bs61

But when I look ahead, I see nothing but secession.

ocleverone

bs61

I’m a little older, so it takes a while for me to recover. I’ll definitely continue the fight, but the younger crowd can haplessly try to overcome this. I’ve been around long enough to know, 100% that we cannot repeal anything. The Republicans – except DeMint, do not have the balls to do so.

Jack_Savage

The history of nullification is not good.

To add to that, if Alabama can use it for one thing, California can use it for another.
Second, we have multiple methods of dealing with this situation, elections being one of them.
Third, it sounds a little nutty, like the birther movement.

I understand the concept, and the thought behind it, and the desire to let parts of our bathe in what they deserve, but this ain’t the way to go.

bs61

to inform them, that’s it’s too little too late!

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

JoeG

Many house members got special appropriations as part of the vote yesterday.

The first day of a Republican house should bust every one of those sweetheart deals that isn’t already paid out come next January.

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

They couldn’t win elections.

Republicans can win elections because we stand for freedom, not slavery.

ranthony

and I can read, thank you. The post says nothing about any of it having been repealed. It simply says Republicans took back House or Senate after.

CowboyUp4419

Social Security and Medicare were proposals that were very popular a substantial portion of the general populace and passed both Houses of Congress with substantial (sometimes near majorities of) Republican support.

Obamacare is wildly unpopular with the general populace and passed over the opposition of the entire Republican caucus. The contrast is stark.

Achance

Democrats don’t tolerate “mavericks.” You vote with the caucus or they send the DOT to your district and start picking up the pavement and you show up at work and your office doesn’t have windows and your seat flushes.

Republicans are “nice,” and nice is just another word for loser as far as the Democrats are concerned. Now, they’re going to rack up all their other “transformative” laws and ram them through, counting on the nice Republicans not wanting to appear obstructionist. The Democrats don’t care about ’10 or ’12; they intend to carry out their agenda and the people who oppose them can simply wail in the wilderness. If they have every business in America afraid that they’re next, if they have card check and the threat of “selective” unionization, and have the states afraid to oppose them because their funding is in danger and there’s an army of auditors and investigators, they really don’t need to worry about holding their majorities in ’10 and winning in ’12.

I’m not furling my flag but the fight is at the state level both in the Party and against the Obama Regime.

CowboyUp4419

As soon as the Dems repeal the part of Obamacare that cuts doctor’s payments by over 20% (if they don’t do this a great number of physicians will follow the Mayo Clinic’s example and stop offering treatment to Medicare patients) then Obamacare’s price tag goes up by about $300 billion. So at that point it’s a net negative for the federal budget even with all the other reindeer games they played at CBO.

That’s hugely significant because that will mean a bill to repeal Obamacare would substantially reduce the deficit and therefore can be passed under reconciliation, And, yes, I’d love to use their own dirty trick against them to get this thing repealed.

reaganiterepublicanresistance

ObamaCare must be resisted by the states, in the courts, on the net… and at the ballot box- as he will be.

With Americans about to “find out what’s in it” -and Obama’s and the Dems’ poll numbers already deep-cratered- let there be no doubt who’s side time is on… the Left is in for a precipitous decline, starting right now.

http://reaganiterepublicanresistance.blogspot.com

earlgrey

We can’t predict the future based on what has happened with those programs, because these circumstances are so different.

Even the dems and the authors of this bill can’t predict what will happen as it goes into effect. It could explode in their faces, which is why I am grateful that there are no republican finger prints on it.

By the way my parents just switched from Medicare Advantage to Medicare. My mother’s eye exam where she was diagnosed with cataracts was denied. She has been an active Repub all her adult life. I had to add that.

izoneguy

They will be pushing hard now for immigration reform. They will need all those new entitlement parents to raise another generation of socialists. And you will get to pay for their insurance.

Great deal huh???

pilgrim

I envision another episode of “free states” and “slave states” in the not too distant future. This time the demographics and geography of the free states is going to be a lot different.

http://www.thesubstratum.com GJ Merits

Demographics, the number of tax payers vs. non tax-payers. In 2013, even with a super majority, this will be so off the radar screen it won’t be an issue.

My brother and I argued yesterday about this. He is a police officer in OKC and very conservative. He said nobody he talks to is talking about this issue – INCLUDING HIM. Huh? Nobody? My own brother?

That scares the crap out of me. Am I in a echo chamber where only the interested and tied in fully understand what has just happened? If so, then education had better be priority number one on any activist’s list. My brother is the one who turned me on to politics. He has a degree in political science and criminal psychology. He’s a smart guy and he thinks this is no big deal, that we are making a bunch of noise about nothing.

Does this not bother the hell out of anyone else? My father is quite the opposite, as are some of his friends, while others are not tied in. They have an opinion, they can answer a poll question, but they could not explain why or debate the substance. They just echo what they hear driving into work in the morning on the radio.

I don’t have high confidence in repeal. Call me negative, but I just don’t see it happening. All the programs Neil mentions in his post are still around.

It’s not the entrenched argument I am rebutting. It is the firm belief that unless we make it an issue in 2013 at a very high decibel level, then it will be ignored. The story about my brother should tell us a lot. If we want this to be an issue then find out those who don’t understand or are not tied in and make them understand.

Then I agree with Neil we have a chance. But the issue must be kept alive in creative ways and the messaging clear, consistent, and unrelenting. I mean, 7 years after 9/11 this country elected Obama. That should tell us something. Never forget was just a slogan for many. Not for me, but for many.

archer52

I hate to rain on the parade but the fact is they front loaded freebies to use as tools in the argument. Dropping pre-existing, kids on insurance to 25 (frankly, that is a play to students but mom and dad won’t be impressed at all), certain limits on insurance companies.

Already the dems are speaking to those points. Remember, most Americans are spoiled and not very educated in the economics of the “free lunch”. Many really do believe that the government is creating money out of whole cloth. Hey, dumbing down the children wasn’t an accident.

That said, the economic pressures will slow Mr. Happy and the Queen of Hearts for a while. We are out of money, as as Margaret Thatcher so aptly put it, socialism will stop working. In fact, it will grind against the rocks like a battered sailing ship here in a little bit. That is one reason they are pulling this stunt. To steal more money from different sources to keep the ship afloat a little longer.

Last night Pete Hoestra was already talking about fixing the program rather than removing it. It’s done brother. Maybe the courts step in, maybe the states are serious about lawsuits. Maybe civil unrest and disobedience will have an impact. Maybe. Right now they’ll hit us with immigration reform and create an even larger loyal voting bloc. The Reps will go along because they want a piece of it too.

Good news is for all the weak-kneed moderates that voted for Obama in order to soothe their guilt for crimes past, and wanted to be cool too, well you know now the dangers of having one party rule. Too late, but at least you caught up to the rest of us.

http://www.thesubstratum.com GJ Merits

You are not a loser. And the folks over at the Tenth Amendment Center are not losers. Neither is Judge Napalitano a loser. Don’t waste your breath arguing this with Neil, he has shut out a perfectly good solution and a possibility.

As far as his entrenchment argument in his diary goes, Hot Air makes it quite clear that while the entitlement may not be entrenched, the repercussions will be and lays out a very good case why repeal will be very difficult. I have now changed my opinion from what I wrote earlier in this post. I don’t think repeal has much of a chance.

http://hotair.com/archives/2010/03/22/can-obamacare-be-repealed/

CowboyUp4419

I wanted Boehner out after last November but he’s handled his position masterfully since then.

wgsampson

There are plenty of doctors who will be taking down their shingle, so there will be plenty of people losing their doctors. Combine that with losing their jobs, retirement, etc… Now, this country really is headed for another Great Depression. Things are just going to get a lot worse across the board, and there will be no one to blame except democrats.

So, we must make sure that the blame rests where it should. We will fight. We will repeal some of it in the Senate soon. We will eliminate some of it in the courts, and we will eliminate the rest of it through elections.

The democrats big tent of victims, now appears to all to be a homogenous group of America haters. We have proof.

azaeroprof

Much better analogy. The Union soldiers chanted “Fredericksburg! Fredericksburg!” after winning the turning point battle at Gettysburg. Maybe we can chant “Obamacare! Obamacare!” after we start turning the tide in November.

http://www.thesubstratum.com GJ Merits

Lawsuits are bandaids and do not address the fundamental problem. Nobody seems to be thinking here. Take out the mandate and watch your taxes raise through the roof instead. A legal challenge on the mandate could – not would – very well usher in single payer that much faster. Consequences you can believe in!

I don’t like band-aids, especially if they may not work. It does nothing to address the real problem. There are more ObamaCares out there waiting for us. We only have to lose a few and the power of the many will be concentrated permanently in the power of the few in DC. Only one way to remedy this as eastbaylarry points out. And time is a’runnin out.

This legislation was passed in a way never before experienced in this country. The resolution requires an approach just as novel. If we rely on the same tired old tactics to fight a beast that ignores the will of the people and writes the rules as they go along, then we will lose. It ain’t that complicated to figure out.

MLK faced a beast and used novel tactics. Some of those tactics were traditional, but many of them were not. He understood the need to change the rules, throw his enemies off guard and win by sheer perseverance and a willingness to see the problem from a different perspective. We too will require this.

renny

Also, we must mob Lindsay Graham over immigration krap. The Reps. must not decide to look like “good guys” to illegals, all of whom little o wants on the voting lists by Nov. They be there to replace the loss of (some) ACORN fraud.

avgjo

They front loaded the bad stuff, and there aint no goodies.

They are taking from 85% of the population to supposedly help 15% and they’re screwing 100%.

Now how do ya suppose that’ll stand?

Quit hand wringing. Call Hoekstra and bombard him. We need to stop this trash now.

avgjo

I just read this:

http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2010/03/west_michigan_republican_reps.html

Hoekstra didn’t sound like he wanted to tweak this.

wgsampson

maybe that will be the start. I don’t see how medicare, and social security are repealed, but they could be privatized, and ultimately phased out. I know that this seems like a low point, but I think that this country is turning around. The seed was planted with Barry Goldwater, and it bore fruit in Ronald Reagan then the Republican Revolution of 1994. The people in this country have been drifting to the right my entire life, resulting in things like Redstate and the Tea Party Movement. People aren’t studying deviant, European socialists anymore, they are reading about Washington, Jefferson, Adams and Madison. That will no doubt serve us well. This fight is not an 8 month fight. It is not a three year fight. It is a lifelong battle, but freedom is worth it.

avgjo

For the folks who are over age X, they get it. For folks under it, no more SS or medicare withholding. Any investments for retirement, such as 401k or IRA are tax free, PERIOD. Doctors are given tax credits for treating the elderly.

The BRitish, which have perhaps the most oppressive gov. of the ‘free’ countries, have to do withholding. They call it the ‘backbone of the modern income tax system’. Know why?

They say it’s human nature to take something ‘free’. That’s why socialism is so dangerous.

Well, it is also human nature to want to hold on to what you have. We have to play on this, just as the socialists try to play on human nature. Let people keep their money, and it’ll be hell to take it back from them.

That’s our holy grail. Destroy withholding. Shrink the IRS. Create an ‘independence class’.

wgsampson

but these democrats are going to get hammered over the Easter recess. While I wouldn’t condone it, I bet a couple of them even get assaulted in some way. House democrats are going to be wearing depends for the foreseeable future. Rank and file democrats don’t want to tackle another highly divisive issue.

Scope

because of budget constraints. Wal Greens in AZ is no longer taking Medicaid customers. They are dang good starts. I believe this wave will travel across the country.

redneck_hippie

PghMike

If you want to pretend Republicans are going to repeal this bill, you’re in for some disappointment. Do you honestly think that the House will repeal the donut-hole fix? You think the Senate, still Democratic, will go along, and then Obama then will *sign* it?

Please.

More realistically, this vote makes the Democrats looks stronger than they’ve looked in years, and perhaps decades. The best Republican argument would have been “why vote for these guys — they can’t accomplish anything.” That argument isn’t going to play with moderates any longer.

You may not like it, but I’m going to predict that with this victory, Democrats will actually keep the House in 2010.

wgsampson

With increased powers going to the IRS people will hate it even more than they do now. If we have a couple of good election cycles (which I believe we will), this could be reachable sometime soon.

PghMike

But GHWB actually started paying for some of Reagan’s programs, starting a move leftward that has not abated since, with only GWB as the exception. And you may have noticed that in 2008, the country ran away from his legacy about as hard as it could.

RealQuiet

Just an idea. The current tax code could be thrown out and a simpler, new one could be enacted. Businesses could report directly to a local office with their earnings and drop off a check. This would scale down the necessary numbers of the IRS significantly. More disposable income in the hands of the people. Every consumer transaction from consumer to business would be taxed and it would be a business’ responsibility to report their revenue. Like I said, just one idea to take out one of the necessary legs of Obamacare.

http://www.thesubstratum.com GJ Merits

Former policy advisor to President Ronald Reagan and one of the authors of the Contract with American has something to say. His credentials are impeccible and it was he who was mainly responsible for getting the GOP to obstruct last year as I chronicled on my off-site blog. They were going to double cross us and we caught them. His take on this should open anyone’s eyes. He has been in the pits for years battling these yahoos and he knows how poltitics really works. Prepare to be enlightened. Read the entire post:

["Oh, the consequences are real enough and can be catastrophic. And, the players are not fakes; some are marvelous performers and others are fine athletes (was there ever a better ball handler than Meadowlark Lemon or a political bone crusher better at the political Hammerlock and the High Crotch Takedown than Nancy Pelosi?); it is the contest that is fake; it is choreographed violence, cliffhanging drama; a blood sport with real blood carefully let that titillates a gullible audience. Although professional wrestlers appear to be bitter foes inside the ring, outside the ropes they are drinking buddies, just like U.S. Senators. Wrestling matches, like congressional debates, are carefully choreographed and the punches, gouges and kicks are pulled or exaggerated for effect. The blood in the ring is real enough?wrestlers frequently use a small razor to 'blade' (cut themselves) to draw blood?which completes the illusion and makes the match more exhilarating and dramatic for the fans.

The sad thing is, most conservatives actually think American politics is a real contest between different visions and alternative practical courses for America. Au contraire. Politics in America today is between two Establishment political parties that need each other as foils?gotta? have that ?bad guy??egged on by the mouth-radio carnies. The dirty little secret is most of the participants fundamentally agree on the need or the practical necessity of perpetuating and growing the welfare/warfare state. They differ only in degree, not kind.

The proof of this assertion is unambiguously clear: Government in the United States continues relentlessly to get bigger, more intrusive and oppressive no matter which political party is in control, no matter for how long. Yes, each party proceeds at a different pace and by different routes but they all herd us to the same destination nonetheless, confirming Thomas Jefferson?s observation that, ?The natural tendency of things is for government to gain ground and for liberty to yield.?]

The rest is here: http://www.socialsecurityinstitute.com/blog_post/show/487

Bottom line: Never trust a politician to save your butt. Do it yourself. If you have immediate leverage – use it. Elections do have consequences – but the leverage is spread out over time. Attack at the state level. The answer lies in the states.

PghMike

You have a bill that mandates everyone gets covered without regard to pre-existing conditions. You need everyone to pay in, or you get what happened in Maine — people leave the health care system unless they get sick, because they can’t pay the ever-rising premiums.

Maine may be screwed, but it’s a small state. Do this nationally, and instead of everyone abandoning health insurance, the Feds will step in and provide it themselves, i.e. a public option. And if it loses money, instead of raising rates, the Feds will just raise taxes.

And don’t forget, unlike Maine, the Feds can print money to pay for it, if necessary.

So, even if a legal challenge hits this part of the bill, it won’t matter, you’ll get a public option subsidized by the Feds, leading inexorably to single payer.

PghMike

ObamaCare is *not* going to be unpopular. Seniors get the donut hole fix immediately, and they vote.

With 10% unemployment and many more without any health care, you can bet that there’ll be a lot of people voting to keep their family’s health insurance, as well.

http://www.thesubstratum.com GJ Merits

So, what is to be done now? ObamaCare will become the law of the land. In the regular course of events?and the process seems right in cycle at this point?angry conservatives will ignore the fact that Republicans abandoned them at the critical moment, put career above country and failed to take a risk to kill ObamaCare. Conservatives, irate at the Democrats, will make heroes of Republicans for fighting the good fight rhetorically and overlook their unwillingness to act. They will flock to the polls and throw lots of Democrats out of office. Republicans will claim a mandate?but a mandate to do what, slow the boil?

After conservatives?especially baby boomers and seniors who stand to lose the most from ObamaCare?take out their ire against Democrats at the polls, then what? The catharsis will feel good but what good will it do to increase the retirement security and prosperity of America?s mature population? Expecting politicians to fix the problem they created is delusional…Dr. Larry Hunter

http://www.socialsecurityinstitute.com/blog_post/show/487

Scope

correct that.

CowboyUp4419

Patching the donut hole just costs money as opposed to most of the rest of this boondoggle which costs money will wreck the health care delivery system in this country.

Everyone knows repeal isn’t possible for at least two years. Obama will never sign it’s not very likely we’ll get enough seats to override his veto. If the House can be retaken (and this is where I hope you’re wrong) we can defund the program for two years until after the 2012 election cycle. Once the Senate and White House are retaken it’s simply a matter of a reconcilation bill to knock out the truly destructive parts of this bill. If the donut hole fix has to stay, so be it.

wgsampson

When Reagan was elected the bulk of the Repulican establishment was liberal. That is why they hated him. But, they knew he was a winner, so they trotted him out every four years as a reminder of Republican greatness – not because they believed in conservatism. Reagan, was the high water mark for conservatism as demonstrated by Republican Presidents, but the top conservatives in the house and senate today outshine and outnumber those from Reagan’s Era – because they are Reagan Disciples in a way. If we get them some more reinforcements, and keep replacing the liberal ones, in the next two cycles, all we will need is an True Conservative Executive to lead them.

CincoSolas_del_Bronx

Chamberlain at Fredericksburg is an apt model for the moment–he was none too happy with Burnside’s costly caution, but having expressed as much to Hooker, went about the necessary business of being ready next time.

http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

It must be the watch word from now til November.
VB

http://www.thesubstratum.com GJ Merits

Check out www.sociailsecurityinstitute.com. The CEO is Dr. Larry Hunter, former policy advisor to President Reagan. His analysis of the vote is quite clear on this and his site is a senior advocacy site. This bill is horrible for seniors. No way around it. No way to dress it up. It’s just plain bad.

penguin2

The Dems are saying that we won’t have the momentum and stamina to see this through to November: I think many of us see it otherwise. The last 14mos. we grew steadier and stronger, I’m hard pressed to think that we are just going to dissipate.

All we have to do is stay the course and continue the fight, get our candidates in and keep going….

Jack_Savage

I think the calendar favors us. First we have the various primaries, in which we are all engaged. Then we have the campaigns, then the elections. All the Dems have is time waiting on political death row.

Adding to that, we have the new resolve to become more and more engaged – this resolve simply is not going to go away. Our arguments have become sharpened, and our reluctance to “get in their faces” is completely gone. They have awoken a sleeping giant.

ocleverone

and most candidates are going to be hitting the ground running by the first part of April – nonstop to November.

Stump speeches, rallies, print ads, newspaper ads, radio/tv ads. This issue isn’t going to be going away.

In the next few weeks we should be getting a very clear picture about what this monstrosity is going to cost – and it isn’t going to be pretty.

Also, by November those yahoos that supported this mess will be wondering when they are going to see their $2500 reduction in premiums. I think they will be in for a rude awakening when employers need to start laying people off to make ends meet.

The only thing I was thankful for last night was the timing.

Hide and watch statists – we’re coming.

Lloyd Davis

People say we can’t get this repealed so we need to fix it. This is a bad law that needs to be completely eliminated. Start fixing it and we send the message that we support it.

We must keep fighting. So what if an entitlement has never been repealed. Let’s set a new standard by doing the right thing and getting rid of this one.

For those who want to give up, go do your impression of the French army somewhere else. One battle has been lost but the war is just beginning.

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No arsenal or no weapon in the arsenals of the world is so formidable as the will and moral courage of free men and women.
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louisiana

If the polls hold true, most Americans are worried about getting a job, or keeping a job. The GOP must emphasize the negatives this bill will have on jobs & the economy, & be specific. I heard from a friend last Christmas. He said his friend owns a concrete company & normally gives out some nice Christmas bonuses to his employees (mostly Hispanics). He gathered his employees together & told them there would be no bonuses, no raises, because of O’s policies. They were not happy. Every business that has to downsize needs to blame O’care, every doctor that retires needs to tell their patients it’s because of O’care & so on. Word of mouth from city to city & state to state can do alot of damage.

tngal

Theres a special one next month,(FL-19) and two more in the summer. on PA the other HI I think. Lots of ways to channel energy.

texasgalt

3 posts in this thread and all basically the same- dumping on Republicans.

ocleverone

panhandler

We CAN do this, but this will take resolve equal to that of the men who this country to birth in 1776. Washington did it at Trenton on Christmas Day 1776, Scott Brown did it in Massachusetts, and we can win these races on 11/2/10. We’ve got to dig deep, ans support the conservatives in the primaries, then in the general election. We can get back to majorities this year, but it will be hard work. As to the state governments, it’s time to Man up and stand for our 10th amendment rights. Nullification is a valid, albeit difficult road, but it is a way to bring the Socialists down. This is an interesting article, and book on the subject:

http://www.campaignforliberty.com/functions/printfriendly.php?article=57

Let’s do this!

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

I’m just going to go ahead and deem you a moby, and pass your ban.

You people are pathetic. You passed your bill and you’re so insecure about your fascist Leader that you have to come here and troll.

Get lost.

SteveLA

AceInTX

Senate Republicans will now do everything in our power to replace the massive tax hikes, Medicare cuts and mandates with the reforms our constituents have been calling for throughout this debate.?

I hope what he said was ill thought out…but what it says to me is that they will use the power of the nanny state to make it better…but repeal it?

I guess we’ll see

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

I’d be happier if we did get a bill in that would open up interstate insurance sales.

That’s replacing, not just repealing.

AceInTX

I think we should be pushing for a lot of things….allowing insurance to be sold accross state lines could have and should have been achieved doring the years Republicans held the congress and the Senate by repealing the Clinton era piece meal installation of Hillary care…words mean things…and what I’m concerned about is the proclivity of progressives in the Republican Party as represented by the leadership like McConnell to use the statist tools put in place by the Democrats to empower themselves…

The Rovian principle of using big government to achieve conservative ends comes to mind here…it’s the proverbial deal with the devil…the double edged sword…sure it cuts the enemy…but is cuts those who wield it as well

RealQuiet

n/t

avgjo

Man, that line is GOLD!

thanks for a much-needed laugh!

graykp

I have 3 words for you. ‘Al Franken Minnesota’

Brian Hibbert

But the way to deal with an Al Franken situation is to win by enough of a margin that they can’t “find” a few hundred votes in the back room. That’s what happened with Scott Brown. We have to make sure we do it in every other race as well.

By the way, are you a Precinct committeeman yet? If not, I know someone who would like to takk to you. Go there and read and get involved. .

http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

If the Democrats had had the combined inclination and capacity for stealing elections wholesale, they would have done so in Virginia (not to mention NJ & MA). The Virginia election results hurt them. Worse than MA’s Senatorial results, in many ways; the former they expect to correct in a couple of years, but in the latter they had ten years of patient work overturned in a night.

Finrod

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edintexas

As I noted elsewhere, Pete Sessions was on Mark Davis’ radio show yesterday promising to repeal “the bad parts” of this bill. They have already started their wishy washy compromise.

edintexas

Why are you comfortable with running on repeal of only two parts of this 2700 page monstrosity? I’ll admit some parts poll as popular, but you have to consider two things with regard to that:

1. The people don’t have a factual understanding of the proposals. For example they favor requiring insurance companies to cover people with pre-existing conditions. But that is one of the provisions intended to bankrupt the insurance companies so the government will “have” to take over. The people wouldn’t favor requiring insurance companies to provide collision coverage to people who have already had a wreck. They simply don’t understand the issue, they’ve succumbed to the talking points without real information.

2. If your pollster can’t get at least 40% agreement with ANY question you write, you need to fire your pollster and find another.

edintexas

There is no doubt you are correct that the general public doesn’t understand the issue, much less the ramifications. I spread e-Mails to friends and family (not the ones living on the Left Coast, I won’t waste my time on the “true believers”), send links to articles (RS and elsewhere), and talk to diverse people (like my farrier and barber, they talk to lots of people every day). Anything to spread just a little bit of information to try and counter the BS the media puts out on a constant basis. Everyone we can convince is another person spreading the word.

shadowmane

Its that we have a Democrat in the White House that will veto a repeal. So unless we can come up with a 2/3rds majority in both houses this coming November, we’re going to have to live with this thing for the rest of our lives.

http://www.thesubstratum.com GJ Merits

Thanks panhandler. This is an excellent piece of work.

I love the statement “You see, the world “nullify” like its conceptual kissing cousins “secession”, “states rights,” “delegated powers,” and sometimes even “Constitution” belongs to a special class of political four letter words, so called for the reason they are verboten in polite conversation amongst the political mainstream”.

Maybe I need to look to the Tea Parties, as they are outside the mainstream, know that something is wrong, and can’t quite put their finger on it. I believe they would be very receptive to such an idea and would have a better change at executing the concept. It is too bad there are many in the mainstream who are going to wait until the proverbial straw breaks the camels back before their eyes are open to a real possibility to enact actual change in the way the federal powers interact with the state powers, but even the Declaration of Independence explicitly states this tendency:

[Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed.]

Guess the level of suffering is not great enough yet for some.

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

Take your nullification stuff out of my post.

Thanks,

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

MF

Not everyone on the Left Coast is of the fruit-and-nuts variety. In fact, I live in a very conservative community in Southern California. In California, it’s the large urban areas and much of the area surrounding the Bay Area that are deep blue. But there are still significant parts that are either red or at least purple. Any area that isn’t deep blue should still get focus.

It’s only by abandoning the purple areas that they turn completely blue.

jetman

getting involved by attending the local convention.
Thanks to RedState postings, I’ve just printed out the info on rhe Fairfax County VA Republican Convention and plan to attend and GET INVOLVED.
It’s been too long since I last was a precinct captain in 1978. Hope I haven’t forgotten how much work it was then and I’m not as young now!

ocleverone

which trains members on poll observation, ballot integrity, etc. for election coverage.

I have just stepped up to the plate to lead this charge for training. I was pleasantly surprise to have enough volunteers that I believe we will have every precinct covered.

GenEarly

Progressives control both parties,there is a battle in the Republican Party at present for control in the primaries, but the RINOS (Progressives) control the National apparatus.
Obama’s next Control Action is Illegal Amnesty to get the votes he needs for 2010 and 2012. The illegals now legal with free health care,educational loans,etc. will vote Democrat.
Rino’s will vote to give Illegals amnesty. The Bushie’s, McLame, Grahmnesty, and others will make it bi-partisan. Don’t count your take-over too fast, 2 million new votes is a big “Change”. Obama may well be re-elected in 2012, and Beyond, the original Constitution did not have term limits for President. How about Socialists arguing for original intent? Nothing is too far fetched for this crowd.

soljerblue

is the next battle, and we’ll have to fight that one just as hard, if not harder, than we fought the HCR bills. IF it goes through — and they’ll want to do it before the summer recess because of voter registration deadlines in most states — the statists will have their apparatus in place to neutralize the conservative resurgence in key states and districts. Take a deep breath, y’all, wipe off the blood, tinker with your bruises, and plunge back in.

The new pledge:
I deny allegiance to the flag of the United Socialist States of America, and to the progressive tyranny for which it now stands; one nation, under elites, bitterly divided, with liberty and justice for the select few.

lightfootletters

Social Security: Passed in 1935. Republicans take House and Senate in 1947, 12 years later.
Medicare and Medicaid: Passed in 1965. Republicans take Senate in 1981, 16 years later.
Obamacare: Passed in 2010. Republicans take House in 2011, one year (9 months, actually) later. We still have the the same programs plus Dept. of Energy, Dept. of Education etc. So what is your point?

rickindenver

It will take several years for the “mandate” challenge to make its way to the supreme court. By that time the private insurance companies will have been largely destroyed by mandates, regulation and taxes. The only thing that will be keeping those that remain intact will be the people who are mandated to buy insurance ie; young healthy folks etc. When the mandate is struck down and the risk pool shrinks rapidly the last remaining private insurance companies will call it quits. In rides the government on their single payer white horse to save us. Cloward Piven, destroy it from within by it’s own weight. The republicans in the senate have a chance to set the stage for repeal this week by shooting the reconciliation bill full of holes.

Brian Hibbert

We don’t have to live with this. Even if Obama vetoes every attempt at repealing it, he can’t force the congress to fund it.

I don’t accept defeat. I won’t concede my freedom that easily.

Brian Hibbert

by the time Republicans had an opportunity to fix them. This will be different. It won’t become firmly entrenched in 9 months. It won’t even have all of its policies enacted for several years so they won’t have time to become an inalienable handout.

Brian Hibbert

People like you getting involved gives me hope.

http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

Every spending bill starts in the House.

The House could also defund some of Obama’s other abominations.

http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

A legitimate use of reconciliation. What a concept!

http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

I enjoyed reading it…although I lean your way NS. No sense to quibble, I say. I use “democracy” in ways that really pisses off hair-splitters about the “republic”-an form, Point is, other people, most people, who aren’t so well-matriculated (who I tend to represent because of their good intentions and common sense) use “democracy” to mean pretty much what the “republican” word means. It does cause contention in formal debate. They just ain’t been brought up to speed.

Even I try to divine what you mean from time to time.

nessa

Swamp_Yankee

This is a serious problem. I wish there were a simple answer, but its going to take more than hurrahs from the base. Defunding creates a mess, but its looks like our only option for the time being. But we need bright people to deal with this gordian knot.

leehazel

Anything but the wholesale repeal of the entire (I know, I’m redundant here) bill as written accomplishes exactly nothing.

The American people have made it more than clear that they understand and agree with the need for certain health care insurance and medical practice reforms.

They have also said without equivocation that they wanted the bill scrapped and rewritten from the ground up.

One might ask here, Republicans what part of NO do you not understand. The only thing the American voters want to see of this bill is its’ departure. Capisce.

PC is Thought Control
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