By Request: McCain v Hayworth

SteveLA

Looks like Neil called it right as usual, but Johnny Mac is many things, but dumb when it comes to getting reelected is not one.

WASHINGTON (AFP) ? Two Republican senators proposed Monday sending 3,000 more US National Guard soldiers to quell violence spilling over the border between their home state of Arizona and Mexico.

In a 10-point plan for beefing up security in the area, Senators John McCain and John Kyl also called for permanently adding 3,000 US Custom and Border Protection Agents to the Arizona/Mexico border by 2015.

Yahoo News Article.

I agree with these moves and they are all long over due. More Border Patrol forces on the border, and build the darn fence. Once that’s done we can talk about what’s next.

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

but McCain of 8 years ago would have called the McCain of today a racist.

trutexan

and the only reason he got my vote in Nov was because of Sarah. I don’t live in AZ and don’t know much about the local politics, but I’ve heard JD on the radio and I like what he has to say. Hell, he can’t be any worse than McCain, who as SteveLA points out above, is a day late and a dollar short to fix the AZ border. Where was he on this years ago? So now a rancher has to die to get with the program? Absurd. I’ll never forgive McCain for McCain/Feingold and all the other RINO crap he’s done. If I lived in AZ, I don’t know who would get my vote, but it wouldn’t be McCain. I respect his military sacrifices, but he’s a lousy conservative.

Aaron Gardner

And he was 100% right.

SteveLA

truetexan

Johnny Mac has many many flaws, you’ve documented them pretty well…but…

I’m not a fan of people who make a lot of noise about the illegal alien problem with proposed bills that sound really great to some but stand no chance of ever making it into law. In CA where I am, I’m tired of waiting for perfect, I’ll settle for doing something and done about illegal aliens sooner rather than later. Right now, I agree with the approach linked in the article, and I think people are ready for some amount of get tough action.

I tend to think McCain can get stuff done on these topics where his opponent won’t for a many reasons.

snowshooze

You are nothing to nobody.

klondike

Can you tell us why you think McCain will make any attempt to “get stuff done” in the future?

tngal

When the story first came out today the headlines were tantalizing but then, bite into the meat of the story and discover… a) its more border patrol, which we need but b) does not include how to handle the millions upon millions of ILLEGALS who already snuck in and stuck in.

Mr McAmnesty is only trying to get a little election pub, nothing more. Keeping new ones out is about a quarter of the battle. The biggest issue is getting rid of of those who are here and who have no intention of going through the citizenship process in one of several proper channels already on the books. We don’t need any new pathways to citizenship.

( don’t ride this horse in the race, he’s lame)

http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

SteveLA

The article I linked is one of the reasons why.

SteveLA

tngal

The what to do with the 20 Million + illegals already here is a very a very vexing problem. The legal status of children born to illegal aliens is probably the biggest problem.

I don’t think as a political matter, the Republican party is going to advocate for a court case to throw the children of illegal aliens out of this country. The rightness or wrongness of doing aside, as the saying goes, the “Optics” of that would kill off any vote by a large percentage of Hispanic voters for R’s.

http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

HAYWORTH CALLS McCAIN’S BORDER PLAN
“ELECTION YEAR GIMMICK”

Phoenix, AZ (April 19) – J.D. Hayworth (R-AZ), candidate for United States Senate, said today he did not trust Sen. John McCain’s last minute change in position on illegal immigration.

“Five years ago, I introduced the ‘Enforcement First Act’ in the U.S. House of Representatives,” Hayworth said. “Had McCain supported my efforts in 2005 to secure the U.S. border, rather than stubbornly support amnesty, we would not be trying to apply quick fixes today.”

“This is shameful, election-year politics,” Chris Simcox, co-founder of the Minuteman Civil Defense Corps said. “For almost three decades McCain had the office and the opportunity to help close the borders to illegal aliens and he did nothing.”

In fact three years ago when McCain was not facing voters for re-election he worked hard to legalize illegal aliens through amnesty in his Comprehensive Immigration Reform bill. Simcox further noted that in a March, 2003 southern Arizona border tour attended by McCain, the American Border Patrol demanded provisions similar to what McCain recommended today.

“It is unfortunate that it took the tragic death of a respected Arizona rancher to invoke action by McCain. I am saddened to think that had McCain implemented our recommendation in 2003, drug cartels would not own the border today.

“It seems that with a tough election on his hands, McCain is trying to hood-wink the voters, ignore his own record and if re-elected return to his pattern of putting Washington first and Arizona second,” Simcox said.

“I know Arizonans will see this latest plan for what it is – political gamesmanship,” Hayworth said. “McCain keeps trying to invoke ‘amnesty amnesia’ in Arizona voters. But the sad reality is that McCain has failed Arizonans by waiting so long to work towards real measures to secure our border.”

Hayworth’s commitment to secure the borders is well known and documented in his book, “Whatever it Takes.” It is because of his long standing focus on border security that in early March, the National Border Patrol Council local 2544 endorsed J.D. Hayworth over McCain.

“Arizonans have long desired, and long deserved, to have a secure southern border. McCain’s effort today is born of political convenience – driven by his need for personal political gain,” Hayworth concluded.

For more information, please visit http://www.JDforSenate.com or contact the campaign at info@jdforsenate.com.

[End]

I received the above because I’m a contributor to the Hayworth campaign.

Thank you.
ColdWarrior, PC
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klondike

where you said, “I tend to think McCain can get stuff done on these topics where his opponent won?t for a many reasons.”

klondike

Deepest apologies to both Steve and Neil.

Steve, after reading the article, I still don’t have any confidence that McCain will not turncoat on us. You seem to have some confidence that he will come through. Just curious as to why.

I trust him on voting to support our military, but not on much else.

Scope

are “laws on the books” that would have done alot with the illegal problem, including the fence, that have been ignored since being enacted? McCain is very very well aware of the law, but, never called for security on the border until the rancher was killed. McCain has not lied in the past, he is lying now, because he has a serious contender. If he wins the primary, he will be the maverick he has always been, claiming he never was before.

Scope

n/t

aesthete

McCain sucks: I’m pretty sure that I don’t need to elaborate on that statement. JD would be a marginal improvement, in that he would be a reliable party vote in a way that John McCain has never been. That said, he’s not the rock-ribbed conservative that he is often portrayed as being, and he’s not a particularly good or bright spokesman for our cause. But aesthete, I thought that this was AZ’s backlash against McCain’s moderate, spendthrift ways! Well, not quite: CW’s fantastic work notwithstanding, almost all of the Tea Parties in AZ have refrained from endorsing, and all of the members of AZ’s Congressional delegation (including Jeff Flake and John Shaddegg) have endorsed John McCain? Why is this? For that, you have to look at the votes:

1) No Child Left Behind: I won’t crucify JD for this one, since most of Congress ~~willingly swallowed the cyanide pill~~, but saying “everybody does it” really doesn’t befit our erstwhile conservative champion, now does it?

2) Sarbanes-Oxley Act: Here’s another one of those “everybody (except Jeff Flake) does it” votes. Long story short, they’re a stack of regulations in response to Enron’s failure. The bill was, as George W Bush put it, “the most far-reaching reforms of American business practices since the time of Franklin Delano Roosevelt.”

3) 2005 Highway Bill: Yep, the pork-laden travesty of a bill that included the “highway to nowhere” was voted on by JD. I don’t have too much of a problem with pork, but JD’s stated reason for supporting the bill was that it had a trifling amount of money dedicated to border security. This answer later changed to the same one Ron Paul’s using.

4) Medicare Pt. D: Et tu, JD? Yep, our Conservative Hero voted for the largest entitlement since the Great Society, and still gets away with calling himself conservative. Wanna know how bad it was? Not-even-McCain-voted-for-it-bad, that’s how bad. Call yourself what you want, but if you can’t bring yourself to vote for such a nakedly expansionist government policy, I would argue that you’re, at best, a conservative in the European sense.

5) 527 Reform Act: Here’s an interesting one. After voting against McCain-Feingold, JD voted in favor of the 527 Reform Act, which closed up some “loopholes” in the original legislation, and was arguably more unconservative than the original. What was the difference between the two? One was supported by leadership, the other wasn’t. Since this one’s not so well known, here’s a helpful fact sheet by one of the principal architects of the bill, Russ Feingold.

Just because you guys love lists so much, here’s another one of things that JD did that are of a questionable nature:

1) The questionable ties that JD had with corrupt lobbyist Jack Abramoff are not worthy of indictment in and of themselves, but should give conservatives pause: he was the top recipient of funds from same. While we’re on the subject, using PAC funds to get a six-figure job for his wife won’t get JD on any good-government lists anytime soon.

2) Similarly, ties with nuts of all sorts have been part and parcel of JD’s career since becoming a talk show host in AZ. One of these groups has been birthers: he has called for Obama to submit his birth certificate for public inspection, and has generally danced around the issue whenever he gets called on it.

3) He signed off on a term limits pledge, which he later broke as a Representative, and now signed off on one for his Senate campaign.

So there you have it: it’s a battle between a party hack who’s peeved by illegal immigration, or John Bipartisan McCain. There is no Tea Party candidate, and it’s up to you whether or not you want to waste your money on Bill Frist’s dumber brother in your bid to unseat McCain.

SteveLA

Thomas has the details, and the bill did not make it out of committee in 2005 when Republicans controlled the Congress. There were 33 Co-Sponsors.

smitch61

But I like him… sorry, glad I do not live in AZ

klondike

What is your opinion regarding some opinions that, should J.D. win the general, he will be easier to unseat in the next election? — in other words, weighing the benefit of sending the message to Republicans that their constituents expect them to be conservative and holding them accountable?

Flagstaff

are not who we need representing us in the Senate. They have no stomach for facing a difficult problem squarely, because they want to be reelected too badly.

I just heard McCain throwing both earmarks and Abramoff at JD. O’Reilly didn’t bother to ask him if there was much difference between Abramoff and Bill Keating.

IMHO, earmarks are the least of our problems, and by making a big deal out of them, John gives the Dem’s a weapon to use against anybody who has ever used them. It’s a lot easier to holler about earmarks than to solve the ILLEGAL immigration problem.

http://www.libertytreehugger.com reverelth

You’re pulling fo him when he campaigns right, because you know if he wins he will vote left.

tngal

its vexing. That’s congenial. But if I may.. the democrats just spent months devising a way to pass an illegal health care bill and call it the law of the land. Can some conservatice lawmaker not come up with a way to deal with anchor babies.

As to ‘Hispanic voters’. Here, in America, we have AMERICAN voters. Some “blocs” vote one way or another, but this is about America and the strength of this country. This is not about “Hispanic”voters, This is about illegalities, Those are two different things altogther. We have several ways of becoming an American citizen. There are classes, sponsors, marriage, asylum, adoption etc. I’m sorry if they don’t expedite matters for some people but too bad. Consider some people have no intention of becoming citizens. They just want jobs here to send money back there, wherever “there” is. Just trying to beat the clock and crossing the border before the timer pops out is really testing the citizenship rules. it should be defined and dealt with in a more straightforward manner.

You’re only as strong as your weakest link. Those who don’t put AMERICA first are our WEAKEST LINK.

http://www.libertytreehugger.com reverelth

In the long run, we’re all dead.

McCain won’t be a factor in 6 years, He’ll be 80. It will either be Hayworth’s or an open seat. Who would you rather have in the final two (or heaven forbid, four) years of the Obama regime? Someone on the downslope of his political career more concerned about his legacy as a reach-across-the aisle guy? Or someone who will really go to Washington to do what he says he will do.

SteveLA

Yep, so once Johnny Mac gets back in the Senate he can work against everything you support. McCain will wake up every day trying to figure out how to annoy you.

Or maybe even to get his daughter Megan McCain lined up to take over his seat.

As Tommy Flanagan would say, “Yea, that’s the ticket…”

The_Rebel

Under ObamaCare, all illegal aliens, or as they call them, undocumented immigrants, will be exempt from penalties, along with several other groups. If and when an amnesty bill is passed, will these millions of newly created citizens now be subject to the same penalties as are all other Americans? Or will they be financially subsidized, in effect converting their current free care into a government welfare program? Won’t the cost of such a program run into the hundreds of billions of dollars annually?

Just asking.

http://www.libertytreehugger.com reverelth

because he hits the Republicans harder than he hits the Democrats.

SteveLA

No I respect John McCain, something that I can’t say from what I have seen, read, and heard coming from JD Hayworth’s pie hole. Throw in that I think JD is seriously ethically challenged with his Jack Abernoff connections, his funny business with his PAC and a porker of the first rank no so much respect.

Darn right I think McCain better win this primary.

http://www.libertytreehugger.com reverelth

I’ll see your Abramoff and raise you The Keating Five.

How can you respect an opponent that throws the game? Besides being content with the outcome?

Raven

would have called the McCain of today a racist.

He only gets smart right about time for an election.

SteveLA

Yep, Johnny Mac put his foot in it with the Keating Five, here’s the lazy man’s Wikpedia section on the issue. Make of it what you want, this occurred in the late 80′s.

As we are discussing corruption, has JD given all the money he got from “Jack” to some charity or is he still using the money to run his PAC and pay his one and only employee, his wife, a salary?

The Senate Ethics Committee ruled that the involvement of Glenn in the scheme was minimal, and the charges against him were dropped.[56] He was only criticized by the Committee for “poor judgment.”[58]

The Ethics Committee ruled that the involvement of McCain in the scheme was also minimal, and he too was cleared of all charges against him.[56][57] McCain was criticized by the Committee for exercising “poor judgment” when he met with the federal regulators on Keating’s behalf.[7] The report also said that McCain’s “actions were not improper nor attended with gross negligence and did not reach the level of requiring institutional action against him….Senator McCain has violated no law of the United States or specific Rule of the United States Senate.”[59] On his Keating Five experience, McCain has said: “The appearance of it was wrong. It’s a wrong appearance when a group of senators appear in a meeting with a group of regulators, because it conveys the impression of undue and improper influence. And it was the wrong thing to do.”[7]

Regardless of the level of their involvement, both senators were greatly affected by it. McCain would write in 2002 that attending the two April 1987 meetings was “the worst mistake of my life”.[60] Glenn has described the Senate Ethics Committee investigation as the low point of his life.[8]

The Senate Ethics Committee did not pursue, for lack of jurisdiction, any possible ethics breaches in McCain’s delayed reimbursements to Keating for trips at the latter’s expense, because they occurred while McCain was in the House.[61] The House Committee on Standards of Official Conduct said that it too lacked jurisdiction, because McCain was no longer in the House.[62] It said it did not require that McCain amend his existing financial disclosure forms for his House years, on the grounds that McCain had now fully reimbursed Keating’s company.[62]

youngmonte

I cannot believe that I constantly have to jump in to defend Hayworth from attacks that he is either not conservative enough or that he’s corrupt. I feel like I’m in the middle of the SpongeBob Squarepants episode where it’s Opposite Day.

During his twelve years in Congress JD Hayworth was a hero to conservatives on all the issues that matter and compiled an ACU rating of about 99 percent. There was no one more conservative than Hayworth. No one. Did he take some bad votes? Sure, Who hasn’t? (And remember that Hayworth once represented a Democrat district). To anyone familiar with his time in Congress, the notion that Hayworth is not sufficiently conservative is so ridiculous it would have them shooting beer out their nose. Additionally, he was, bar none, the best spokemen conservatism had, constantly doing battle with the lefties on the cable shows and radio. To see some RedStaters now questioning his conservative bona fides is astonishing – especially when you compare him to McCain.

As for the Abramoff stuff, Aesthete (who is an obvious McCain plant) gets his facts wrong. All Abramoff ever gave Hayworth is $1,000 to his campaign and $1,250 to his PAC, all of which Hayworth donated to charity. The rest of the “Abramoff” money came from tribes that were clients of Abramoff’s – i.e. Abramoff’s victims. How this makes their money tainted is beyond me. The fact is, as Hayworth has said repeatedly and for which there is no evidence to the contrary, he had no relationship with Abramoff – Abramoff had never even been to his office. Look at how the Justice Department is going after anyone associated with Abramoff no matter how flimsy the evidence (see Horace Cooper and Kevin Ring). If DoJ had even the slightest thing on Hayworth they would have gone after him. Instead, they declined even to investigate. Yet instead of rallying to a conservative hero wrongly smeared by the media and Democrats, some prefer to believe the lies. Pathetic.

Simply put, you cannot call yourself a conservative and prefer McCain over Hayworth. If elected, Hayworth would instantly become one of the most, if not the most, conservative member of the senate.

antisocial

Hayworth seems like a better guy. Just on Illegal Immigration, Crap-N-Raid and his partisanship, I like Hayworth over Mavericky McCain.

I see a lot of sympathy for McCain here. Apart from his positions on Foreign Policy, I can’t think of anything that I agree with McCave. Folks when the newly re-elected Maverick gives you a lecture on Save The Planet, bipartisanship, regulating businesses and how we need to be humane to illegals please don’t start yelling.

Go Away Maverick.

The_Rebel

rather than dredge up the 80′s, is McCain giving any consideration to returning the over $208,000 he received in 2008 from Goldman Sachs? Or will he wait to see if they are actually convicted of fraud? Or will he never return the contributions made to his campaign?

He could take the lead here and be an example for Obama, who received over $600,000 from them.

SteveLA

Maybe truth will break out all over and JD will disclose who is behind his “fund” that is paying off his legal bills.

AZCentral.com

“Former Maricopa County Attorney Rick Romley, a McCain ally, said the McCain campaign is not alleging any wrongdoing with regard to the Freedom in Truth Trust set up to pay off $142,500 that Hayworth owed the law firm of Foley & Lardner. “

zr2x4

Former Democratic VP candidate Joe Lieberman and former GOP presidential candidate John McCain have introduced a new detention policy bill in response to the Christmas Day underwear bomber. From The Atlantic: ?A close reading of the bill suggests it would allow the U.S. military to detain U.S. citizens without trial indefinitely in the U.S. based on suspected activity.?

can someone explain that? or defend it? That is bordering Totalitarianism

Aaron Gardner

acat

Hayworth would become a conservative on being elected.

What is he now?

The Abramoff stuff is what makes me most nervous. You’re mistaken about how the DoJ works – if they were after bigger fish than a lowly congressperson, they may well ignore having dirt on Hayworth. Fact is, Hayworth clearly accepted ca$h from impure sources. A thousand here, a thousand there, and he donated it, all good, but just saying “No, Jack.” would have been better. What Hayworth did shows he knows he got caught, not that he should do the right thing in the first place.

We don’t need another corrupt Republican. Even McCain is an improvement over a crook.

Mew

tngal

its obvious we all appreciate he’s a veteran cum laude, but his past opinions have given us pause to allow him the vote on some major issues. Given his moderate support (aka- left leaning ) on several concerns, age, and squishiness, he might warrant a position in the 2012 administration but he’s not garnering a lot of support beyond that.

http://www.libertytreehugger.com reverelth

is worth running up legal bills defending spurious charges.

Ask Joe Arpaio.

kateusa

McCain is a proven disaster. He lives in a border state and sees first hand the devastation and violence associated with illegal immigration and drug trafficking, yet has done nothing to stop it for the past 25 years. Quite the opposite. In fact, he has repeatedly sponsored amnesty or other immigration bills that would have further relaxed border security with Mexico, created a North American security perimeter, and stimulated further illegal immigration. More than anything, immigration enforcement/ border security/ no amnesty is about the preservation of U.S. sovereignty, but McCain either has not figured this out (unlikely) or is too willing to give it up. Anyone who will not protect American sovereignty is unfit to serve.

antisocial

McCain posts are not done until you show up. I think I know what your post will be…. just can’t wait to read your special comments.

antisocial

Even McCain is an improvement….. wipe tears… HA HA HA HA HA HA

mbecker908

McCain sucks.

JD Hayworth isn’t going to beat him. I’m long on record as to why and nothing I’ve seen has changed my opinion. Is this poll closer than the last one? Yeah. In fact, most folks in AZ just aren’t paying attention and won’t for about two more months.

Like it or not McCain is more-or-less an icon here. Retirees and military voters won’t be voting against him in any numbers, certainly not for a punk like JD. And that’s generally how he’s viewed here.

Are the TP folks for JD? Yeah, probably by a pretty wide margin. But it’s not going to be anywhere near enough.

Either Shadegg or Flake might have beaten McCain but they aren’t running. JD lost his seat in Congress in a pretty conservative/libertarian district to Harry Mitchell because the folks in CD05 were sick of listening to JD whine. Nothing about JD has changed.

I simply have no interest in discussing the subject with people who hate McCain enough to suspend their ability to think rationally about a race. I don’t like the guy either – and I won’t vote for him – but that doesn’t change the race on the ground. JD is no Scott Brown. He’s well known around the state and he’s neither liked or respected by a huge segment of the electorate. McCain isn’t the fool that Brown beat. He wants to win and will do what it takes (yeah, I know, why didn’t he do that against BO) and call in whatever favors he needs to in order to win. He may not be particularly well liked – especially on the right – but he’s respected.

This race is nothing but mental masturbation for people who should be focused on races we can win and seats we can take from Dems. For starters we have three House races – including JD’s old seat – that we can win here in AZ. Instead of focusing on taking those three seats, and nominating a candidate for Governor who can beat the Dem State AG we’re wasting our time this this foolishness.

IJB

Please get on that! ;p

pilgrim

Conservative_not_Republican

John McCain should be asked (1) Why were there no “Gang of” deals on health care? (2) Why didn’t his “moderate” friend across the aisle join him in coming to some more modest compromises on health care? (3) What lessons did he learn from how the Democrats operate when they have the majority?

If he is elected, he will once again undermine conservative initiatives, promote liberal causes, and work to trample free speech. Take it to the bank.

usadying

and can’t stand McCain. I voted for him for President not because of Sarah Palin, but because the alternative was so repugnant. We know how that worked out. McCain is fighting for his political life. He has turned uber conservative to win the primary, but will quickly revert back to his progressive roots once he relaxes. Unfortunately, Hayworth is too polarizing. If Hayworth wins the primary, the democrat candidate may win in a walk. Hayworth is on the record with too many controversial statements. Part of me would love to see the smug McCain go down in flames. Maybe that would be best. If I vote for McCain, I have no assurances that he will fight for repeal of the health care bill or anything else that matters to conservatives. He will do his usual “reach across the aisle” and abandon us all. Sorry…. I’m am thinking as I write. Maybe Hayworth is not so bad after all.

aesthete

I think that JD is nutty, unhinged, and unrespected enough amongst his peers to be challenged regularly both in the primary and in the general. Whether that is a good thing or not depends on your outlook, but at this point, I’m so tired of McCain that I’m willing to take the plunge. On the other hand, the only reason that I would involve myself in such a FUBAR primary is because it’s my state. I would highly recommend you donating your money to Marco Rubio, Pat Toomey, or any number of viable, smart, and consistent conservatives, in Republicans in your own state, or if you have an itching desire to spend your money in AZ, in Jesse Kelly, a retired Marine in AZ-08 running against Gabrielle Giffords, a far-left former ACLU lawyer who voted for Obamacare. Here’s a link to his site: http://www.votejessekelly.com/

Finrod

I’d still be pulling for Hayworth, simply under the theory that politicians should fear the voters. McCain hasn’t feared Arizona voters for a long time now. For most Republican congressmen, it seems that the longer they’re in DC, the less conservative and more establishment they get; the only solution to that it seems is to primary them hard and as often as possible.

GenEarly

McLame wiil “run” conservative in the election and once safely in office for the next 6 years,”my friends” will cross the isle with Grahamnesty and the gals from Maine, and other Rino’s to grant amnesty,compromise on cap and tax,and obamacare “improvement”.
If this isn’t true, if McCain isn’t a Progressive-Socialist why is he pushing federal control of vitamins????? and saying we are too stupid to take care of our own health?
Vote for JD! Even if he is a flawed candidate, he is better than McCain and will vote as a conservative. Wake up before it’s too late!!!

aesthete

That JD is a crook. All that we know is that he accepted quite a bit of money from Abramoff: not a fact which, in and of itself, condemns him. The appearance of evil, however, must be considered: Ted Stevens was ultimately acquitted, but the appearance of impropriety meant one vote less in the Senate for Red Team. At any rate, I don’t see why people should waste their money on either candidate.

@ youngmonte: Your accusation that I am a McCain plant is certainly… interesting, considering that the majority of my posts are non-McCain related, and cover the gamut of political issues. You’ve posted on *counts on fingers* exactly one issue: Hayworth! Considering the tenor of your posts, I would find that claim more plausible were it applied to you. But hey, if we’re going for loyalty tests, here’s my opinion of McCain: he is one of the, if not the, most repugnant character in the Senate. Happy?

As to the rest of your post, I would respond, except that I have the feeling that you wrote it with one hand while fondling yourself to a picture of JD with the other. And honestly, I feel for anyone who’s sex drive is twisted enough to want a piece of JD. So instead of leaving a rude comment on your hagiography of JD, I’ll be the better man and Franz Rule instead:

GenEarly

A DEMOCRAT if you want to vote for McCain that way you won’t be disappointed when he kisses O’s – - -, and you know he will !!!!!!

bigredone

That’s enough for me.

jcincy

Citizenship is created by law. It is not a birthright.

Let us look at the 14th amendment:
1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside.

Just because Joe Congressman (who is most likely a lawyer) and Kris Obermatthews don’t understand the law, that’s doesn’t change the law.

The 2nd condition of this amendment cannot be ignored.

Subject to the jurisdiction means you are in compliance with the law. ILLEGAL ALIENS are clearly NOT in compliance with the law. Therefore, the children born to these criminals are not subjects of U.S. law either. They are not citizens.

jcincy

Borrowing your words… I trust him on voting to support our military, but not on much else.

mbecker908

She is an absolutely pathetic governor and is pretty much Charlie Crist in drag.

As a point of explanation about how Brewer became governor, AZ has no LtGov, the SoS is first in line if the governor goes away. It’s a really, really horrible system because the two jobs are nothing alike and we’ve had a string of really bad governors as a result. SoS is basically an elected admin job. Really requires about the same leadership ability as a TV repairman. Toss a perfectly good SoS into the governor’s job and you’ve got a fish way out of water.

Hopefully Dean Martin, who’s the State Treasurer, will beat her in the primary. I think he can beat Terry Goddard who will be the D candidate but it will be a tough race. Goddard has been around a long time – McCain beat him ages ago – he’s got statewide name rec, can make the case that he’s a “law and order” guy and he’s got a better than even shot. Heck, I wouldn’t be surprised to see Joe Arpaio endorse him, after all Joe endorsed Janet Nappy in her first run and was probably the difference in getting her elected over a solidly conservative Republican.

acat

but he *is* ethical. (or do you think Team Obama and Team Hillary would have let it lie during the 2008 disaster?)

I would much prefer a reliable conservative, but since that doesn’t seem to be available this year, I’ll take the ethical guy who sometimes stabs conservatives in the back.

Even if Hayworth really is pure as the driven snow, he’ll force the “Republicans are crooks” meme right back onto the front page just when we don’t need to be playing defense.

Mew

tngal

Today (tues) the big O told Scott Brown immigration is next on the agenda.He wants to move ahead with it next month. Find the whole thing here.

http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news/93407-report-obama-says-immigration-next-on-dems-agenda

Now, is this because Arizona lawmakers passed a tough immigration law and sent it to the gov’s desk. Maybe its its the extra troops requested at the border..maybe its because Rep. Luis Gutierrez has said he’ll urge Latinos to stay away from the polls in Nov IF lawmakers don’t start work on immigration reform.

Whatever….

So now the push is on, and that means McAmnesty has come to a fork in the road. Will he pull the steering wheel hard to the right?? Interesting also to see O has called Scott Brown on this one….let’s find out where his loyalties lie.

Scope

and I’m not so sure it will not take as much time to sell as Obamacare. Immigration, I believe, will not be on the calendar this year. Obama, Pelosi and Reid are probably not going to bring the immigration issue up this year. It is too close to the mid terms, and, they know it is an issue that the majority of Americans are against. I really doubt that the Progressives will ask their members to take another hit for them.

tngal

Wall street is what’s on deck now… Obama called Brown today and said Immigration is next. Not don’t ask don’t tell, not climate, everything else is getting pushed back . the’re

tngal

to tell him Immigration was next and wanted Borwn to look at it. Yes, wall street reform is happening now, but immigration is next. As in nect month according to the article in the Hill’s briefing room. He’s promised a lot of groups a lot things, but immigrations next. I gave the link in the other post and the title of the article is ……

Report: Obama says immigration next on Dems’ agenda

Scope

that would very nicely take care of many of the illegal problems? Problem is they have never been enforced, or funded. If McCain ever believed in the problem, he would have talked about it in the past. He would have been vocal for border security. Now, all of a sudden McCain supports the AZ legislature getting touch with illegals. If the AZ Governor signs it into law, it will be exactly against what McCain supported. It seems that the killing of the rancher, by illegals, has infuriated the people of AZ. He has been on the wrong side of this issue all along. Hayworth has credibility on this issue, McCain is a known quantity against arresting “God’s children.”

Scope

The Latinos are screaming and hollering for immigration reform now. I believe he promised the Latino caucus in Congress that he would address immigration reform next, or soon, in order to get them on board to vote for Obamacare. They voted for Obamacare based on that promise. How often has Obama made good on his promises? Not often. Once he gets what he wants, those doing his bidding get thrown under the bus.

Immigration reform will be as hard and long fought as Obamacare was. I believe that when the McCain/Kennedy plan was proposed, something like 75% of the population was opposed. After having Obamacare shoved down our throats, the majority of people will fight even harder to stop whatever the progressives propose on this issue. I doubt that Obama, Pelosi and Reid will be able to herd the Dems in Congress to support very unpopular legislation so close to election season. If nothing else, they don’t have enough time to push this through before the Congress members go back home to campaign for re-election. They have been suicidal, but I don’t think the Dem congresscritters are that open to death wishes at the ballot box.

Lycurgus

in 1953? I suggest we do that.

Lycurgus

which is why I wish he had never run for Congress in the first place 30 years ago, and had done the honorable thing this year and retired. I wish him well in his retirement, and will happily vote against him in the primary.

Lycurgus

the folks living here in Arizona do not really like McCain. He enjoys sticking his finger in the eye of conservatives everywhere, and it’s high time he’s retired. He’s only needed a half-way decent challenger to be knocked off, and even with someone as troubled and obnoxious as JD, he still will lose.

Lycurgus

he is far, far superior to the leftie McCain. McCain is an Arizonan Joe Lieberman. He isn’t a fiscal conservative, he’s a hawk. This election isn’t about national defense, so he’s barely above water on a marginal opponent. I’m going to actively campaign and vote against McCain, even if I’m not a big JD fan. JD can certainly do no worse than McCain, even if he tried.

Lycurgus

Let’s put him in charge of the VA.

Lycurgus

Here in Arizona, McCain can barely get a polite welcome from the activists at the Goldwater Institute. McCain’s a dog that can’t hunt, and this year, people are looking to get people in office who actually are willing to take stands on issues, even if that person happens to be a blowhard like JD. I’ve had to listen to JD on the radio for a few years here, and he’s definitely no Ronald Reagan, but he’s running against a Republican to the left of Lindsey Graham.

JamesSmith130

Hayworth will beat the Democratic candidate, who is some unknown liberal. This may not have been the case in 2006 and 2008, but in 2010, unknown liberals are not likely to win a race in a red state.

The only Republican I see vulnerable in a general in these primary battles is Dan Coats, and that only because Coats was a lobbyist and Ellsworth can masquerade as a moderate/conservative.

I think Marco Rubio, JD Hayworth, Ovide Lamontagne, and either of the candidates other than Coats in Indiana will win the general.

aesthete

I don’t entirely share it, but it is a reality-based sentiment. My post was meant more for those who frame it as a race between a True Conservative and Satan Incarnate.

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