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Don’t write Perry onto the Presidential ticket yet

By: Neil Stevens (Diary)  |  April 20th, 2010 at 02:47 PM  | 

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Perry and White

Do southerners do well in Presidential elections? Two of the last three Democrats to win were southern Governors, and the last two Republicans to win were Texans. That’s all some need to pencil in Rick Perry, two and a half term successor to George W. Bush, as a likely Republican nominee in 2012.

The latest from Rasmussen suggests his run for a third full term won’t be easy, though. The White vote could be an issue.

Bill White, to be specific, has been closing on Perry for the last three months. In February he was well behind, 39-48 (MoE 4.5), giving Perry an 84% chance of being ahead. As of the 15th Perry is still at 48, but White is up to 44, dropping Perry to a 67% chance of being ahead.

After Tony Sanchez lost to Perry 58-40 in 2002, and Chris Bell only managed 30 to Perry’s 39 in the 2006 race featuring independents Kinky Friedman and Carole Strayhorn, Democrats have to be excited about their chances to knock off Perry.

George Allen was supposed to be a Republican frontrunner once upon a time, after all.

Crossposted from Unlikely Voter

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  • zr2x4

    can a democrat even have a chance to win in Texas? It’s sold red, and in this political atmosphere it would be unthinkable for them to even win. Hmm

  • TxCon

    so to some that is too long a time to be in the executive office. Still no reason to vote for a dolt like Bill White. This could also be residual effects from a tough and utterly pointless, primary fight with KBH.

  • exitsfunnel

    I’ll admit upfront that I haven’t looked at the numbers closely or recently but I recall having read something two or three years back about the changing demographics of Texas and the effect on it’s politics. Essentially though Texas was (is) really conservative, it made the case that barring a strong uptick in hispanic support for the GOP, the result of the mushrooming hispanic population would make Texas a solidly democratic state by 2016 or 2020 at the latest.

    Maybe this race reflects the beginning of that effect?

    -exits

  • davidabippus

    but it will be close. A lot of people here don’t like Perry because of his personality – he is viewed as arrogant. He is also a former Democrat (and Al Gore supporter in 1988) and people charge that he is only Conservative during elections and reverts to be not so much of a Conservative. 10 going on 14 years in office is also a long time. That being said, he has done a good job overall and the state is in good shape – especially compared to others. I have noted previously on the site that he will likely not play well outside of Texas and I do not therefore think that he is a serious candidate for 2012. Bill White is a Prius driving, former Clinton aide, that Obama considered for a post and he is a LIBERAL to the core. He, however, portrays himself as a moderate, middle of the road, centrist, pragmatist, business man – and people freaking buy it. The MSM also helps his case as he is portrayed in a much better light than Perry. He is dangerous. He is a liberal. And – if elected – would make liberal appointments that would be horrific for the state. The Lt. Gov. actually has more legislative power in the state and we are in good hands with David Dewhurst. The Dems are running a union thug against him. Our AG is Greg Abbott and he is strong, too. They should both win easily. So, I think Perry will win a final term. It won’t be easy. The primary with RINO KBH did not help. We do need to start grooming someone for 2014 to keep the governorship in the RIGHT hands.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens
  • davidabippus

    Too many people moving in from places like California will alter the demographics here. This is a HUGE concern of mine. The Dems have NY and Cali and if they take Texas and all of the electoral votes it will spell DOOM. California has been ruined and I fear the voting patterns of those relocating here(as they ruined the states that they came from). Hopefully, the Libs will stay behind and the right-of-center folks will be the ones moving here.

  • http://www.veronicaestrada.com/ Veronica Estrada

    to put on the attack bigtime here in Texas.

    Remember we’ve the leftwing rags here pulling for White — AAS, Houston & Dallas Chons — and some left-leaning blogs like the Texas Tribune.

    We have a scarcity of Texas right blogs here in the state as well.

    Fishing for a source, but Texas is high on Obama’s hit-list.

    I understand the EPA wants to make it near impossible for us to deal with the clean-air levels and keep importing businesses from all across the nation at the same time.

    Perry was very vocal and we’ve a progressive jihad on our hands, so to speak.

    In my opinion, it doesn’t matter how long Perry’s been in office. He’s the right person to stand up to federal intrusion.

  • http://www.veronicaestrada.com/ Veronica Estrada
  • Richard Mullins

    Texas Democrats are about the same as San Francisco Democrats. It’s just that you haven’t much about them. I’m sure Bill White supporters are the ones that answered the phones. Bill White has more problems than just unfunded pensions and much of that is coming to a head in the last few months. The guy messed up big time and had the media cover for him.

  • http://www.laborunionreport.comandhttp://www.laborunionreport.blogspot.com LaborUnionReport

    Which is how Janet Napolitano now affects everyone…

  • Richard Mullins

    you wouldn’t vote for him, if you were sane. He got lucky that Farouk Shami’s campaign went south just before primary day. Bill White isn’t going to get that lucky again.

  • Jonbontx

    if I remember correctly KBH was actually ahead of Perry in the polls and we all know how that turned out. David is right, White likes to play the part of a centrist, but he is far from such. I’m also afraid that some people buy into White’s “moderate” talk, which if Perry plays it right he can beat that back by focusing on White’s record as Mayor of Houston. Perry also needs to push the meme that White is talking like the Dems in Washington, talk like a “conservative,” but then run to the left once elected. Perry also needs to remind voters that Texas is economically better off than most of the country, and that would be in jepoardy if White were to be elected.

  • Jonbontx

    but ironically it is the new Mayor of Houston that has brought some of his negatives into the spotlight.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    There’s just no comparison between an Ann Richards or a Chet Edwards, and a Jerry Brown or a Nancy Pelosi.

  • Richard Mullins

    It’s not because they don’t want Bill White to win, it’s because they have far too much evidence that he didn’t do so well as Mayor of the 4th largest city in the US. A Bad paper trail is going to do him in. That’s one thing Tony Sanchez and Chris Bell didn’t have to worry about(well Chris Bell had the benefit of 2 Democrats and 2 Republicans on the Ticket). 90% of blog here in Texas tilt to the left and that give people a warped view of things.

  • Richard Mullins

    If you would have seen what we seen of Texas Democrats, you would have to conclude that their Kin folk are the same in San Francisco. Chet Edwards is closer to old Texas Democrat. Ann”Siver Spoon” Richards was an odd person. Really odd person.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I have to judge them by what I see, in terms who gets elected statewide or sent to DC.

  • texasgalt

    barring any huge gaffes. Perry will really cruise if the Medinites and North Dallas harpies get over their snit-fit. It will take a major turn of events for a Donk to win any statewide race in ’10,

  • davidabippus

    Check out the Dems union thug Lt. Gov. candidate running against Dewhurst:

    http://www.electchavezthompson.com/

    Take a look at Houston’s new mayor and her SEUI backing. In Houston we are also home to Congresswoman Shiela Jackson Lee. We may not have the numbers like they do in Cali, but we have our fair share of Liberal freaks.

  • texasgalt
  • davidabippus

    were/are a disgrace. I think of an ‘old’ Texas Democrat in terms of a Bill Hobby or Bob Bullock or Lloyd Bentsen. They were/are nowhere near as far to the Left as this current crop.

  • Achance

    It really doesn’t take much to turn a state from Red to Purple and only a little more to turn it Blue. Ten years ago, we had a wholly Republican federal delegation, a veto proof Republican majority in the Legislature, and a Democrat governor who mostly governed on sufferance and was only governor because of Republican fratricide. Today, the Ds control all the larger towns and cities, the State Senate is a Democrat dominated coalition, and we have a Democrat US Senator.

  • texasgalt

    We are not done with him yet. We have our own country to run here. ;-)

    Not to mention I think most of the country has seen quiet enough of Texans in the Whitehouse . . . at least for a good long while.

  • cactusjack

    Veronica, you are right, TX is in Obama’s and especially Rahm’s crosshairs now. It is quintessentially everything they hate, the list is endless, but capital punishment, guns and low taxes are way up there on that list. What do you think the recent NASA announcement was about? It was directly aimed at JSC-Houston. We’ll still do some Pasadena-JPL stuff (’cause they voted for him) and maybe some KSC-Canaveral stuff (cause they voted for him) but forget manned space flight (TEXAS) programs, oh and we’ll beg theRussians if we ever have to put humans up there again. No accident. Exactly how they work. Politics is not only elections, it’s retribution. Meanwhile, rethinking Perry…previously it was thought the “we’ve already had a Texas governor would kill him outside Texas, in 2012 Presidential election. Now I’m not sure. The Dems in spite of how much they hate him and his state, are being strangely quiet about him. I finally figured it out why…they don’t dare draw any attention to Perry & Texas’ stunning economic performance the last 4 years. Jobs, jobs, jobs baby. The chained down, dispirited, and sadly unemployed (too many) voters of CA, the MidWest and NorthEast who have been spoon fed that Obama-fare is their only hope and “9.7% unemployment is just something we’ll all have to adjust to in the new world economy…” might look up, around, start rattling their chains and taking action – like throwing Obamanites out of office and demanding lower taxes as an economy incentive in the blue states. Oh they (Rahm et al) could hit Perry to be sure, but they have correctly figured, in a high tech high dollar media campaign, what he would hit back with. Including hard facts on economic performance. Maybe Perry plays a lot better outside TX than previously thought, especially in the undecided middle of the US electorate.

  • Aaron Gardner
  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    And I can’t imagine him throwing in with the gay green panther lobby.

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  • deano64

    CA people moving to AZ ruined us is making me crazy. You simply can’t convince me that the demographics change in a state over time and it’s going to become blue by a certain year and that’s that. The next thing that makes me crazy is that due to increasing Hispanic demographic we just loose a particluar state to the Dems into the foreseeable future. I believe Conservative principles that are clearly communicated will win every time and it doesn’t matter what demographic we are talking about. As far as blue states go why do we as Conservatives so easily conceed certain states to the Liberals and just resign ourselves to the “fact” that those states will always be Liberal and that there just really isn’t anything we can do about it. Can someone tell me why?

  • texasgalt

    there’s no comparison. Ann’s passed on and Edwards is politically dead. Pelosi only looks like a corpse and JB Moonbeam, seems to still have traction in CA.

  • popdaddy

    A 500 person robocall poll is pretty weak to begin with. Who would answer the phone?
    But of those who responded, 58% disapprove of BO, 59% APPROVE of the job Rick Perry is doing.
    67% favor repeal of Obamacare, 40% view the economy as poor with 48% rating it only fair and 46% say the economy as getting worse.

    It’s still April, Perry has plenty of time for the KBH supporters to cool and come to their senses. No Socialist Democrat can win a statewide race in Texas now or after six more months of BO’s continued push down the path of Socialism.

  • scarlos

    It’s just a pure numbers thing.

    Texas has about 8 Million Hispanics in it. Assuming roughly 3 Million voted last election (probalby and overestimate), and that they voted for Obama 65-35 (probably another overestimate), then that means that they gave him roughly a 900,000-vote edge. McCain won Texas by roughly that amount, so unless Hispanics start trending even more Democrat (which is highly unlikely given that their voting patterns over the last 20 years shows them bleeding towards Republicans), the Democrats will need to import about 8 Million more Hispanics if they want to flip the state solely on their votes.

  • Menlo

    1.) It’s not unheard of. The state got Ann Richards. Of course I was only 8 years old at the time so couldn’t tell you much about that.

    2.) Large percentages of people who vote Republican aren’t and never have been conservative. This goes for both primaries and general elections. There are also a lot of independents. Many traditionally red states support some liberal Democrats. Look at the HHS Secretary.

    3.) Partially related to (2) above, the legislature and other elected offices ensure that the governor is no more than a figurehead.

    4.) People aren’t all that excited about Rick Perry. After ten years, everyone can find something to complain about. Given (3) above, there is not likely to be much motivation.

    5.) I don’t know about shifting demographics. I don’t buy it’s been enough to make a significant difference percentage-wise; but I could be mistaken.

  • gamechange11two

    When he first started his career, Texas was one of the bluest of blue states, back before the term even existed. As the discussion indicates it was a different class of democrat back then. Rove and other conservatives surmised that Texas was ripe for a sea change in its voting habits and he designed campaign strategies accordingly. I think he said there was only one republican in the state house when he started out. Now everybody thinks of Texas as the paragon of redstateness. Nothing is permanent, nor to be taken for granted.

  • JamesSmith130

    to win. The only reason she’s on the ticket is to motivate unions, Hispanics, and women to come out and vote for Bill White. Because White will be suddenly running as a conservative, trying to win over Kaybee voters, which isn’t going to win the support of the hardcore left or Hispanics (although many Hispanics in Texas are pretty conservative.)

  • grandma

    into IN skewed IN vote in 11-08.

  • JamesSmith130

    1. Ann Richards won only because of one of the worst campaigns in history by Clayton Williams. He refused to shake her hand in a debate. Southerners, and people in other places as well, as far as I know don’t like that kind of manners. Even if she’s a Marxist, you shake her hand.

    2. In many states you are right. The majority party becomes “cool” to belong to, so many who are not conservative belong to the GOP in Kansas. And then the moderates and conservatives fight, and sometimes a Dim wins. The opposite happened in Massachusetts this year. Many of the Democrats in Massachusetts are moderate or conservative and voted for Brown.

    3. Very true, which is why Mass elected GOP Governors (usually RINOs except for maybe Romney) from 1990-2006 to keep a check on the legislature.

    4. Agree, and he has served longer than any previous governor in history. If Kaybee had not been such a RINO, she would have beaten him.

    5. Demographics are certainly shifting in Texas. But it will be another decade before there are enough Latinos to threaten the state’s red status, even if Latinos in Texas vote 2-1 Dim (which is far from guaranteed.)

  • JamesSmith130

    White can win enough KBH voters. I doubt it, but if Perry makes enough mistakes, it is possible. There will be a bunch of independent voters who will likely vote for White just because they think Perry has stayed too long. No Texas Governor in history has tried to run for a third four year term (when one did try to run for a fourth 2-year term, Briscoe in 1978 was defeated in a primary.)

    And Perry would be smart to define White quickly before White defines himself as a “commonsense Texas conservative”, because you know that’s what he’s going to do.

  • Lycurgus

    time goes on and Hispanic folks as a group become more highly educated and economically wealthy, they will gravitate to the party which will ensure their private property rights and their economic security: the Republican Party.

  • JamesSmith130

    Many of those Texas Democrats were conservatives, some as conservative as anyone here on Redstate. And most of the statewide officials were real moderates. The change began in 1982, when several liberals were elected to state office, Jim Mattox, Ann Richards, Jim Hightower, Garry Mauro, etc.

    Rick Perry was one of those conservative Dems. It is true he endorsed Al Gore in 1988, but Gore did run as a the most conservative Democrat, supporting increase in military spending, a balanced budget, and opposing gay rights, not as a green extremist. Also many conservative Dems supported Gore as the “Southern candidate”, as a poor man’s Sam Nunn.

  • JamesSmith130

    But if amnesty goes through, then it is very possible that they can in 10 years.

    But even in that case, Texas Hispanics are conservative on social issues, and increased prevalence of gay marriage may not sit well with them.

  • JamesSmith130

    this is true, but not that much in the next 15-20 years, IMO. Much more likely, IMO, in the short term is that Texas Hispanics get disgusted with the spread of gay marriage and other socially deviant ideas, and some of them peel off to voting Republican.

    I think of “ethnic whites” who were hard core Dims voted for FDR and Truman, and were initially peeled off by the GOP due to 1) anti-communism, and 2) disgust towards social liberalism in the 1960s. (dislike of anti-war nuts, sexual revolution, radical feminism, busing, open housing, etc.) These voters probably agreed with the Dims on economics.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    But there are degrees of radicalism and contempt for America.

    The man did fight the Communists. That’s more than Nan from San Fran would have done.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    1. What’s your calculation for the N it takes for a poll not to be “weak?”

    2. How do those results invalidate the poll?

    thanks,

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Skin color determinism is a myth, and bloc voting only exists among racists… that is, people who wouldn’t be voting Republican much to begin with.

  • gamechange11two

    Never meant to imply that you had ‘New England style dems’ in Texas. Despite their arrival of late from the left coast, I think strong arm tactics like slashing NASA’s budget will be a loser for O. This house stays firmly in the red, for now.

  • Richard Mullins

    Republicans have a 8-9 point advantage(not a surprise at all) and the old Democrats are not around anymore. Increased migration of people to Northwest Harris,Fort Bend and Montgomery counties, makes it harder for a democrat to win.

  • Richard Mullins

    and are not energized enough to get a Bill White victory. Anyway, they vote across the spectrum and aren’t locked into voting Democrat. When the Old style Democrat vanished, the statewide chances for the Democrats did as well. It takes a lot of Dead people to get a victory for a Democrat.

  • ktsub

    The key is to define Bill White and get in his head.

    Rick Perry campaign is already using Bill White’s slogan “Moving Texas Forward”, this is so messing with Mr. Bill. Next Mr. Bill mentions education, and Perry campaign jumps with high tech classroom proposal. Its early, no one except political junkies are paying attention, and no one (even Houstonians), know yet how liberal of a mayor Bill White was. KBH will come thru and campaign for Rick, in Dallas and central Texas where he needs her.

    Perry was at buisness opening touting yet more jobs coming to Texas, plus the Dems did not field a complete statewide slate, and their candidates outside of White are the weakest they have ever ever had, period. White is a good candidate, yes, the remainder are zeros, and they are challenging the fewest state house seats ever, the GOP has the highest number of challengers since 2002, largest recruiting class of hispanic Republicans ever. Perry has a fair relationship with hispanic leaders, and has been supportive of many hispanic leaders political futures…this will be rewarded.

  • Richard Mullins

    1.) Ann Richards killed her chances with Robin Hood in 1993. It wasn’t all that good for poor distrits like Uvalde Consolidated Independant School District. When Ann Richards won, it was more Republican. I had to worry about the election of “Mayor for Life” Herrington(I’m sure I mispelled it) in Memphis. It’s quite vivid to me 20 years later

    2.) Conservative is a buzzword for nothing. It’s a real joke to think that are lot of Conservative(that word here is too played out). It’s certainly not New Democrat supporting and the Latinos haven’t rallyed around the Democratic party yet.

    3.) The reason for the Governor being a weak office is due to history. You really need to understand why that is. The Legislature is here is like anyother Lawmaking body in the US. It would be a good idea to study a little more on it and make a trip to your State Reps Office at the Capitol in Austin.

    4.) The Person is really the focus of excitement, the thought of what the other side bring is enough. Until that nutjob Medina got in the race, it was a 2 person affair.

    5.) As for Shifting Demographics, it certainly get more crowed out in Cyrpess and much of Northwest Harris County. Montgomery County is to the North of me and it’s getting bigger. I think it’s a great time to get a house in Spring ISD with the cost at $51.03 a sq ft.

    I think you need to get out more and see what’s happening.

  • Richard Mullins

    That was told to me by one that has done polls. It’s worth noting that this is a Telephone poll and it results are more reflective of who answers the phone. I know that Rassmusson looks at likely voters,but 500 is really small here. That doesn’t invalidate the poll, it just means that the poll is more likely different from day-to-day.

  • Richard Mullins

    and are more likely to sit out this election. Leftist media here in Texas has been over this. The Self funding part also hurts Bill White.

  • scarlos

    Basically the more they Surbabanize, Naturalize, and Prosper, the more Republican they become. Impoverished Hispanics voted something like 80-20 for Obama, while those making above 200,000 voted for McCain 51-49 (interestingly, the only ethnic group making that much to vote for him).

    Realize that Obama, despite probably the most extensive Hispanic outreach effort and a housing crisis that hit them particularly hard, still won less then Dukakis did in 1988 against a former Texas governor (69 vs 70)

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I build that into my lead percentages.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    He seems to shoot for that rate.

  • Richard Mullins

    and I’ve seen a lot of small sample polls and they don’t look good. Not much use there and it still subject to those that answer. Not good in the age of Caller ID. I don’t Unknown callers and others without names/numbers.

  • Richard Mullins

    Guys like LBJ and John Nance Garner, could deal with more leftist Democrats. It wouldn’t hurt to review Texas politics. After 1994, the Democratic party got a lot more leftist, even those there where still some conservative Democrats in the Texas Legislature. The ones running now for statewide office aren’t the same as those of the past. The retreds like John Sharp aren’t the same as they were when they were in Statewide office.

  • Richard Mullins

    but that was before he became President.

  • Richard Mullins

    like Bob Bullock and Lloyd Benson. I’m not to keen on William Pettus Hobby Jr. I’ve really started to like John Nance Garner(that could be because I lived in Uvalde for a year).

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    So you don’t trust any of the Rasmussens. I need to introduce you to the people who tell me they only trust Rasmussen. :-)

  • klondike

    Rick Perry: Inherited the governorship when GWB was elected president. Rick Perry MANDATED that all Texas school girls from 7th grade up be immunized with an anti-cervical cancer drug that had yet to be proven. Of whom does that remind you?

    He only remanded that edict due to public outcry. Conservative? Puhleeze. He may be spouting conservative talking points, and yes, he has supported conservative ideals, but no conservative I know would FORCE girls as young as 7th grade and on up to be immunized with a drug that has yet to be proven. In my view that is the parents’ choice, not the state’s.

    I would guess that most Texans saw the video of the police officer who pulled over Gov. Perry’s SUV for exceeding the speed limit. He kept her (the officer) away from the driver saying, “Nothing to see here – go away.” If he had any respect for the law, he would have told his driver, suck it up, she’s doing her job. No, he expected special favor. He completely disrespected that police officer.

    As to Bill White when he was mayor of Houston. He and Judge Eckels rose up to help those from not only Lousiana but other states to help those affected by Katrina. They masterfully provided shelter and medical services, quickly and efficiently (quite a contrast to what Louisiana was able to provide, hurricane notwithstanding). Those two gentlemen deserve an award for how they stepped up to the plate. But to whom did they immediately seek out to provide food? The CHURCHES, most noteably the Second Baptist Church (largest membership at the time, I think?). The churches responded in droves. Not just by providing food for the 200,000+ victims but by providing clothing and jobs. I suspect Judge Eckels was the mastermind of that, but Bill White saw the wisdom of the logistics and I think inherently knew who would be able to mobilize fastest and have the greatest turnout – the churches. I will forgive him for being a Democrat in that regard alone because he dealt with reality and did not allow politics to rule his decision.

    When President Bush, while governor of Texas, was being excoriated by the media and Democrats for not stopping the execution of an inmate who had “found God,” he said, “It’s the law. If you don’t want executions, change the law.” The media immediately sought out Ann Richards (who was living in New York, I think, at the time), thinking they had found an ally. Her response was (paraphrasing), “When I was governor, I never met a prisoner on death row who hadn’t found God.’ She did not give them their soundbyte. She respected the rule of law.

    I only post this to ask everyone to revisit their premise. I do not think it is healthy to seek controversy everywhere we can find it.

    I know we are trying to do everything we can to restore this republic, but it is equally important (if not more so) to try to keep as much as possible in perspective.

    The greatest lure of Red State to me is perspective. I hope you all will take my offering in the spirit with which it is offered. I think when credit is due, it should be noted; likewise with criticism.

  • Richard Mullins

    Most of the rest is ok. The Nature of Teplephone polls is still who answer it. That happens in every poll from other sources.

  • Richard Mullins

    I’d trust that old hack before Bill White. I don’t think understand much

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    At least, every single Rasmussen I’ve covered since launching UV has been 4.5% MoE.

    This isn’t some suddenly different standard they’re hitting.

  • popdaddy

    Texas has a population of over 25MM, 500 people in Houston doesn’t equal 500 people in West Texas.

    I still have a landline but my two grown sons do not. I would not answer a call that pops up on the phone or TV screen if I did not know who it was.

    Regardless, those who did chose to answer the questions provided answers that should make Rick Perry proud and scare the Hell out of the Socalist Democrats.

  • Aaron Gardner

    Although, LBJ certainly opened the door for Pelosi style progressive liberalism.

  • Richard Mullins

    Things don’t quite end up the same here when you try small amounts of people. I don’t answer every call I get, in fact I ignore quite lot of calls.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    So basically you’re accusing Rasmussen of pulling his samples from one place?

    That’s a pretty serious charge. Do you have evidence to back it up?

  • Jonbontx

    Perry, while completely ignoring White’s problems, let me help you out. White was a real stickler for obeying the law, that’s why Houston was a sanctuary city for illegals. That’s why after 1 police officer was shot by an illegal, he along with the Chief of Police, didn’t do anything with the policy concerning police officers riding together or focus on the illegal problem. Then another police officer was shot, and still no change in policy. Yep, White really was spot on towards respecting the law. As for Katrina, yeah Houston sure helped out, and what did we get for it, a increase in the crime rate and White didn’t do jack squat to address it. Then there was the City of Houston budget, yeah White ran that into the ground with his wonderful spend, spend, spend Dem attitude. So yeah, Perry may have his faults but atleast he is trying to do what is right for the state, White on the other hand would do far more damage to the state. So if all you have for White’s favoriables is his handlling of the Katrina response, we then that is just kinda sad.

  • Jonbontx

    if we stick with Rassmussen when the numbers are in our favor, we have to stick with them when they aren’t in our favor. We can’t be like the moonbats.

  • Richard Mullins

    Phil Hardburger did much better in SA and I know very well. Anyone that covers for him, is stupid. I can think of a few former San Antonio mayors that would be much better than Bill White to run against Rick Perry(I think Nelson Wolff would work well). Bill White has a long paper trail and that’s not going to help.

  • hickorystick

    That’s like saying pro-abortion Democrat, the adjective isn’t necessary.

  • Richard Mullins

    That was the case when Texas was one party state. There were racist Democrat and non-racist Democrat. It’s worth noting that the winner of the spcial election for LBJ’s seat was a racist Republican(that what some historian have about John Tower).

  • popdaddy

    Go read the link to the poll questions 58%-67% of the good Texans who bothered to pick up the telephone to respond said they basicly hate the policies of BO and his Socialist Democrat Regime.

    Therefore Rick Perry is a lock for relection and anyone on the Socialist Democrat ticket is DOOMED by the GOP straight party vote in the Great State of Texas!

    Good Grief!

  • Richard Mullins

    and the “Bill White being well known” is not true. Very unknown statewide but well known with Democrats. No big deal. The paper trail is going to catch up with Bill White.

  • Menlo

    I don’t know what you are talking about with regard to conservatives.

    I know very well why the governor’s office is weak, and I’m glad it is. What is your point?

    I’m not sure what any of the rest of that has to do with anything. The people we know, see, and are around are almost never representative of a larger population. The only real indicators we have are polls, statistics, and election results. I can say I live in what was recently the fastest growing city in the nation, and I’ve seen the city’s population grow probably over sixfold since I’ve lived here. Housing prices have hardly changed one penny either direction since I moved here in 1989. Electoral outcomes haven’t changed much since then either.

  • liandro

    “skin color determinism” but I do believe votes are heavily affected by culture and upbringing. If one identifies strongly with my church and its culture, they are likely to be labeled an “evangelical” and many of the voting trends (or stereotypes, if you prefer) that are associated with that will probably hold true. If one identifies strongly with their Latino heritage they will probably hold true to the voting patterns such a heritage would indicate.

    But, like any culture, how much to the beliefs hold from region to region? Is the Texas Latino closely related to the Chicago Latinos here in IL? What about the large number of devout Catholic Latinos? There are plenty of bonds going in several different directions, not all complementary in terms of voting patterns.

    Of course, skin color is different then heritage or culture, so I don’t think we are really disagreeing with each other. The bottom line is that virtually any group of people can be reached with the conservative message (even liberals…there are plenty of reformed liberals!). I don’t believe conservatives would be catering to “skin color determinism” to reach out to Latinos, or to potential conservative leaders within the Latino community. We should be reaching out to every community.

  • Richard Mullins

    So Those are not to be accepted. I’m fairly sure most things I say go over your head, it’s not much of a surprise. When it does come down to the term Conservative, it can mean many things. It meaning around here is sort of like the term liberal. I don’t like to be mean, but what really is in your head?

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    Tell you what, Richard Mullins, if you reject polling, stop posting in my polling threads.

    This is not a request. Those of us who follow math and not feelings have better things to do.

  • Richard Mullins

    It’s just that it’s good to skewed to get a desired effect. I think I have a post around that I respect the Rassmussen poll. I looked at it and It only showing one thing at doesn’t make sense, that Bill White’s well known. Other than that, it’s ok. Want to calm down a little Neil.

  • Richard Mullins

    I never got testy with anyone but I say something isn’t getting liked, blam. I knew there was something wrong around here. Goodbye everyone.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    I’d ban you but then I’d have to wash my hands to get the smarm off of them.

  • Richard Mullins

    You can post as a little snarky. It seems you past the test.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    All I did was draw a simple line that if all you’re going to do is badmouth polling, to stay out of my threads about polling.

    If you can’t handle even the most basic, reasonable moderation, well, that’s your problem, sparky.

    So by all means, continue with the delusion that anyone who moderates this site does so angrily, but if I catch you going against the above post, I *will* ban you.

  • texasgalt

    The mandated immunizations of which you spoke never happened. Surely you recognize Perry gets some credit for all the Katrina victims that were helped by nearly every major city in Texas. The only near riot that resulted from the influx was in . . . wait for it . . . Houston.

    >> I do not think it is healthy to seek controversy everywhere we can find it.<

    You didn’t really mean this did you? In light of the obvious contradiction, take Rand’s advice and check YOUR premises.

  • klondike

    I admit that I did not follow San Antonio’s mayor’s response to Katrina because I was too busy watching Houston’s. It came as a complete surprise to me that White actually stepped up to the plate, and in a good way. Do I agree with his governing otherwise? H*ll no. He did create a sanctuary city, then absolved himself of all responsibility for creating it. He is not someone I would ever want in a position of power or leadership at the state level.

    The point I was trying to make (pedestrian as it may be) is that I think true conservatism is giving credit where credit is due. Bill White, in my opinion, made a very good decision by teaming up with Judge Eckels, and it surprised the you-know-what out of me when he actually appealed to the churches in the area. The main reason I applaud that decision is because, today, too many people look toward the government to fix all problems, when the true solution lies in the local community. Did the Houston medical community and civilian volunteers make Bill White look good? Yes, absolutely. I still appreciate the fact that what he did might just have planted the notion in peoples’ minds that it is the community that, in an emergency, is the first responder.

    Kudos to the mayor of San Antonio. I have a huge soft spot in my heart for the folks in San Antonio for the state of the art hospital it created through only private donations. Something our government bureaucracy could never accomplish on its own in so little time, and it was funded with volunteered money. I feel remiss in not exploring further San Antonio’s response to Katrina.

    As to Gov. Perry, I admit that he is better than a Democrat, but as a conservative, I see him as an opportunist Republican.

    Yes, the vaccination mandate was never enforced, but it was only after public (and I’m sure some private) outcry forced Perry to rescind it. In my mind, innate, principled conservativeness would have prevented him from ever even considering such a move.

    I challenge my premise every day, and that causes me to give credit where credit is due and also look for clues as to whether someone is truly conservative.

  • hunter

    But he is very rich and has total democrat backing.
    White has left Houston in bad financial shape, he swept real problems under the rug and ran the City poorly.
    But he is a democrat and so gets great press.
    Perry is not the most popular guy around, with over 12 years in statewide office people are getting a bit bored with him.
    It is going to be a tough race.

  • texasgalt

    in the March Texas primary. That’s a lot for White to overcome.

    http://www.dallasnews.com/sharedcontent/dws/dn/latestnews/stories/DN-turnout_04tex.ART.State.Edition1.4c4bd20.html