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	<title>Comments on: Conflicting polls in the Massachusetts Senate Race</title>
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		<title>By: btrb</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 12:51:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Another resident here--a couple of points.

1. Most conservatives I know are also registered as unenrolled, because the Republican party in MA is so pathetic that in every election several legislative seats--and even state-wide offices--will go without a Republican candidate. In these cases conservatives can vote in the Democratic primary (tantamount to the general election) so as to vote for the &quot;least bad&quot; Dem.

2. In large part this is because Weld, Celucci, and alas Romney had no interest in building the party, even to get a large enough minority to sustain their vetoes.

3. Granny Warren is even more of a liberal scold than Coakley. Martha Coakley could at least claim (at least plausibly) a law-and-order record as AG. But Brown caught the Dems off-guard, and Warren will have plenty of out-of-state money.

4. At the risk of further flames, Brown is worth re-electing. I&#039;d rather have a guy that is with me 75% of the time--and perhaps helps to give us a Senate majority and all that goes with it--than one who is with me 0% of the time. Call me crazy.

5. Though solidly liberal, MA went for Reagan twice and elected a succession of Republican governors. Brown is well-liked. A miracle could happen.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Another resident here&#8211;a couple of points.</p>
<p>1. Most conservatives I know are also registered as unenrolled, because the Republican party in MA is so pathetic that in every election several legislative seats&#8211;and even state-wide offices&#8211;will go without a Republican candidate. In these cases conservatives can vote in the Democratic primary (tantamount to the general election) so as to vote for the &#8220;least bad&#8221; Dem.</p>
<p>2. In large part this is because Weld, Celucci, and alas Romney had no interest in building the party, even to get a large enough minority to sustain their vetoes.</p>
<p>3. Granny Warren is even more of a liberal scold than Coakley. Martha Coakley could at least claim (at least plausibly) a law-and-order record as AG. But Brown caught the Dems off-guard, and Warren will have plenty of out-of-state money.</p>
<p>4. At the risk of further flames, Brown is worth re-electing. I&#8217;d rather have a guy that is with me 75% of the time&#8211;and perhaps helps to give us a Senate majority and all that goes with it&#8211;than one who is with me 0% of the time. Call me crazy.</p>
<p>5. Though solidly liberal, MA went for Reagan twice and elected a succession of Republican governors. Brown is well-liked. A miracle could happen.</p>
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		<title>By: 1stRichard</title>
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		<dc:creator>1stRichard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 02:52:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There is only ideology and how does this affect me, full of different directions and contrasts. For an ardent Union Democrat, just so happens to be my neighbor that voted for Brown41, he wanted a real Classic Democrat so I had to prove to him Coakley was a Communist, not a real Democrat and relatively easy considering Coakley?s policies. If you try to lump this voting block as one you will fail as each and every one is different and you cannot speak moderately or meekly or you will not get threw to them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There is only ideology and how does this affect me, full of different directions and contrasts. For an ardent Union Democrat, just so happens to be my neighbor that voted for Brown41, he wanted a real Classic Democrat so I had to prove to him Coakley was a Communist, not a real Democrat and relatively easy considering Coakley?s policies. If you try to lump this voting block as one you will fail as each and every one is different and you cannot speak moderately or meekly or you will not get threw to them.</p>
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		<title>By: 1stRichard</title>
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		<dc:creator>1stRichard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 01:41:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[You will find established Republicans in the MA GOP are almost the same as the Socialist Democrats here. Being in the local Tea Party here my in box is flooded, some times over a hundred a day from news of so-called Republicans giving financial aid to voting on policy for the Socialist Democrats here. You will also find the Socialist Democrats here also supporting this to disenfranchise possible Republican supporters. The first thing the MA GOP must do is to distance its self from the left, it is too difficult to tell the left from the right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You will find established Republicans in the MA GOP are almost the same as the Socialist Democrats here. Being in the local Tea Party here my in box is flooded, some times over a hundred a day from news of so-called Republicans giving financial aid to voting on policy for the Socialist Democrats here. You will also find the Socialist Democrats here also supporting this to disenfranchise possible Republican supporters. The first thing the MA GOP must do is to distance its self from the left, it is too difficult to tell the left from the right.</p>
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		<title>By: YnotNOW</title>
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		<dc:creator>YnotNOW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 01:30:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[to register as &quot;independent&quot; even if their true loyalties are with liberals.  that way they have the flexibility to vote for whichever primary will make the most impact.  

(p.s. - full disclosure - my parents live in Maryland, and are registered as Democrat, even though they vote Republican, because there is effectively no primary for Republicans, if they can even find some sacrificial lamb to run at all!)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>to register as &#8220;independent&#8221; even if their true loyalties are with liberals.  that way they have the flexibility to vote for whichever primary will make the most impact.  </p>
<p>(p.s. &#8211; full disclosure &#8211; my parents live in Maryland, and are registered as Democrat, even though they vote Republican, because there is effectively no primary for Republicans, if they can even find some sacrificial lamb to run at all!)</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2012 00:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: swami7774</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 23:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know many unenrolled voters who claim to &quot;vote the person, not the party&quot;, and who almost always vote Democrat.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know many unenrolled voters who claim to &#8220;vote the person, not the party&#8221;, and who almost always vote Democrat.</p>
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		<title>By: jakeofalltrades</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 23:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: renl57</title>
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		<dc:creator>renl57</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 22:39:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[If you travel outside Route 128, you find Scott Brown&#039;s strengths in the exurbs:  Patriotic blue-collar guys

The problem with Elizabeth Warren is that as a Harvard intellectual and Berkenstock liberal right out of Central Casting, she just doesn&#039;t reach that group well.

Warren is the choice of the young wealthy liberal college crowd from Harvard, Wellesley and Cambridge, as well as the yuppie playground of the Berkshires.  If the Dems had nominated Mike Capuano instead of Elizabeth Warren, Scott Brown would have a tougher time.

This electoral map of the 2010 special election shows how this cultural divide played out across MA.  Blue-collar Dems vs. Berkenstock Dems:

http://tinyurl.com/82puokt]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you travel outside Route 128, you find Scott Brown&#8217;s strengths in the exurbs:  Patriotic blue-collar guys</p>
<p>The problem with Elizabeth Warren is that as a Harvard intellectual and Berkenstock liberal right out of Central Casting, she just doesn&#8217;t reach that group well.</p>
<p>Warren is the choice of the young wealthy liberal college crowd from Harvard, Wellesley and Cambridge, as well as the yuppie playground of the Berkshires.  If the Dems had nominated Mike Capuano instead of Elizabeth Warren, Scott Brown would have a tougher time.</p>
<p>This electoral map of the 2010 special election shows how this cultural divide played out across MA.  Blue-collar Dems vs. Berkenstock Dems:</p>
<p>http://tinyurl.com/82puokt</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 22:37:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not in a one party state it doesn&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not in a one party state it doesn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: renl57</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2012/03/20/conflicting-polls-in-the-massachusetts-senate-race/#comment-21804</link>
		<dc:creator>renl57</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 22:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[More MA residents (16%) identify as Republicans than have registered (12%) as Republicans.  That means that more folks would register as Republicans if the MA GOP ever bothered to ask them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More MA residents (16%) identify as Republicans than have registered (12%) as Republicans.  That means that more folks would register as Republicans if the MA GOP ever bothered to ask them.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2012/03/20/conflicting-polls-in-the-massachusetts-senate-race/#comment-21803</link>
		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 21:44:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Republicans, being an oppressed minority, have more to gain by being independent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Republicans, being an oppressed minority, have more to gain by being independent.</p>
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		<title>By: swami7774</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2012/03/20/conflicting-polls-in-the-massachusetts-senate-race/#comment-21802</link>
		<dc:creator>swami7774</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 21:39:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Here in the People&#039;s Republic, unenrolled (a.k.a. &quot;independent&quot;) voters can vote in either primary, but voters enrolled as Dems or Repubs can vote only on those primaries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Here in the People&#8217;s Republic, unenrolled (a.k.a. &#8220;independent&#8221;) voters can vote in either primary, but voters enrolled as Dems or Repubs can vote only on those primaries.</p>
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		<title>By: swami7774</title>
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		<dc:creator>swami7774</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 21:36:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[...most MA voters registered as unenrolled(that&#039;s the term here, not &quot;independent&quot;) are really Dems who won&#039;t say so publicly.
I&#039;d say the true partisan breakdown of the electorate is something like 45D-15R-40U.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8230;most MA voters registered as unenrolled(that&#8217;s the term here, not &#8220;independent&#8221;) are really Dems who won&#8217;t say so publicly.<br />
I&#8217;d say the true partisan breakdown of the electorate is something like 45D-15R-40U.</p>
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		<title>By: YnotNOW</title>
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		<dc:creator>YnotNOW</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 20:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So I wonder if there are many who are ideological Democrats, but what to appear &quot;fair and balanced&quot; and just register independent?  Or perhaps they are so liberal that the Dem party is too conservative for their allegiance, and they just don&#039;t feel comfortable declaring their fidelity to the Green, Progressive, or Communist Party?  

Just my speculation.  Would be interested to hear any data on this, if you have it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So I wonder if there are many who are ideological Democrats, but what to appear &#8220;fair and balanced&#8221; and just register independent?  Or perhaps they are so liberal that the Dem party is too conservative for their allegiance, and they just don&#8217;t feel comfortable declaring their fidelity to the Green, Progressive, or Communist Party?  </p>
<p>Just my speculation.  Would be interested to hear any data on this, if you have it.</p>
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		<title>By: naraht</title>
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		<dc:creator>naraht</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 20:20:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[With Elizabeth Warren, the Democrats more or less cleared the primary, There are still two people running against Warren in the Democratic Primary, but they aren&#039;t getting any publicity at all, and Warren can focus on Brown. 

Warren seems to be generating more excitement in the Liberal Blogosphere. She was already a celebrity on the Left nationwide before she got in the race.


It seems  like Scott Brown is sort of the flip side of Matheson(D) in UT-2. You want his vote at the beginning of the session when control of the chamber is decided and any other votes for your side are gravy. But the comparison would be better if Mike Lee died and Matheson grabbed his seat in the Senate...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>With Elizabeth Warren, the Democrats more or less cleared the primary, There are still two people running against Warren in the Democratic Primary, but they aren&#8217;t getting any publicity at all, and Warren can focus on Brown. </p>
<p>Warren seems to be generating more excitement in the Liberal Blogosphere. She was already a celebrity on the Left nationwide before she got in the race.</p>
<p>It seems  like Scott Brown is sort of the flip side of Matheson(D) in UT-2. You want his vote at the beginning of the session when control of the chamber is decided and any other votes for your side are gravy. But the comparison would be better if Mike Lee died and Matheson grabbed his seat in the Senate&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Viet71</title>
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		<dc:creator>Viet71</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 20:16:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[She&#039;s an empty suit, so I&#039;m betting indies will side with Brown.

Massachusetts indie voters are much less susceptible to propaganda than the state&#039;s liberal voters.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>She&#8217;s an empty suit, so I&#8217;m betting indies will side with Brown.</p>
<p>Massachusetts indie voters are much less susceptible to propaganda than the state&#8217;s liberal voters.</p>
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		<title>By: Neil Stevens</title>
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		<dc:creator>Neil Stevens</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 20:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: unclefred</title>
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		<dc:creator>unclefred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 20:01:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[as much as they really hate the fact that a Republican is in &quot;Ted Kennedy&#039;s seat&quot;. A better comparison would be to how most of us here feel about ousting Obama. 

It is very likely that Brown is ahead in the polling. Warren&#039;s self association with the OWS crowd doesn&#039;t sit well with independents, but in a strong sense that doesn&#039;t matter. The Democratic machine in Mass is very real and very effective. Despite favorable polling for various Republican challengers in 2010, the Republicans scored no upsets. The Democrats ran well ahead of their polling. 

Brown will have a very very tough fight to hold his seat. The good news is that the left is spending a LOT of money in Mass that they won&#039;t have for other seats.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>as much as they really hate the fact that a Republican is in &#8220;Ted Kennedy&#8217;s seat&#8221;. A better comparison would be to how most of us here feel about ousting Obama. </p>
<p>It is very likely that Brown is ahead in the polling. Warren&#8217;s self association with the OWS crowd doesn&#8217;t sit well with independents, but in a strong sense that doesn&#8217;t matter. The Democratic machine in Mass is very real and very effective. Despite favorable polling for various Republican challengers in 2010, the Republicans scored no upsets. The Democrats ran well ahead of their polling. </p>
<p>Brown will have a very very tough fight to hold his seat. The good news is that the left is spending a LOT of money in Mass that they won&#8217;t have for other seats.</p>
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		<title>By: mbauer</title>
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		<dc:creator>mbauer</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 19:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;m a realist about Brown, and have no problem with him holding that seat. 

The Left&#039;s has the same enthusiasm for Warren that we had for Rubio last time around. It&#039;s tough to beat that passion with the hope that uninformed moderates will vote for the moderate candidate.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m a realist about Brown, and have no problem with him holding that seat. </p>
<p>The Left&#8217;s has the same enthusiasm for Warren that we had for Rubio last time around. It&#8217;s tough to beat that passion with the hope that uninformed moderates will vote for the moderate candidate.</p>
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		<title>By: adamd</title>
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		<dc:creator>adamd</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Mar 2012 19:16:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I know Massachusetts is the most liberal state in the union.  However, I find it unbelievable there has been no effort from Republicans to register more voters.  Only 12% of the state is registered Republican?  Scott Brown and the Republicans Party should put forth a major effort to improve that figure.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I know Massachusetts is the most liberal state in the union.  However, I find it unbelievable there has been no effort from Republicans to register more voters.  Only 12% of the state is registered Republican?  Scott Brown and the Republicans Party should put forth a major effort to improve that figure.</p>
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