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		<title>By: hier klicken</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2012/06/05/midway-the-forgotten-victory/#comment-22220</link>
		<dc:creator>hier klicken</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 31 Oct 2012 06:07:14 +0000</pubDate>
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http://help.evolutiiondesk.in/168/how-to-track-my-dads-location-through-gps...]]></description>
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		<title>By: cactusjack</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2012/06/05/midway-the-forgotten-victory/#comment-22060</link>
		<dc:creator>cactusjack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 12:51:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[was army and corps sized action (itself not common in the Pacifi)c  in a huge urban metropolis, where the enemy pulled all the urban nastiness such as US forces had never experienced elsewhere in WWII and werent to see until ...Aachen?Hue? Iraq? I think mostly for a long time there our military&#039;s play book on urban warfare was: dont do it.  We ran into a Japanese army commander who insisted on doing it.  We improvised. Manila gave us a little foretaste of what Tokyo was going to be like had we had to do it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>was army and corps sized action (itself not common in the Pacifi)c  in a huge urban metropolis, where the enemy pulled all the urban nastiness such as US forces had never experienced elsewhere in WWII and werent to see until &#8230;Aachen?Hue? Iraq? I think mostly for a long time there our military&#8217;s play book on urban warfare was: dont do it.  We ran into a Japanese army commander who insisted on doing it.  We improvised. Manila gave us a little foretaste of what Tokyo was going to be like had we had to do it.</p>
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		<title>By: Michael Harrington</title>
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		<dc:creator>Michael Harrington</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 11:40:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My highschool teacher was one of them. 

He told me after I finished schoolwork ahead of all others of the story. He had been infantry when the war started, forced to the Penisula&#039;s end and then slogged all the way forward to Chosun. There he was forced back to the area that eventually became the DMZ.

I respect him higher than most in this world, he was in the rearguard on the retreat and eventually in the nose of the attack, then rearguard again.

He is a strength to my memories which provides for me to this day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My highschool teacher was one of them. </p>
<p>He told me after I finished schoolwork ahead of all others of the story. He had been infantry when the war started, forced to the Penisula&#8217;s end and then slogged all the way forward to Chosun. There he was forced back to the area that eventually became the DMZ.</p>
<p>I respect him higher than most in this world, he was in the rearguard on the retreat and eventually in the nose of the attack, then rearguard again.</p>
<p>He is a strength to my memories which provides for me to this day.</p>
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		<title>By: Viet71</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2012/06/05/midway-the-forgotten-victory/#comment-22058</link>
		<dc:creator>Viet71</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 20:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[German and Russian lines stretched 100 miles.  One hundred miles of opposing tanks and infantry.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>German and Russian lines stretched 100 miles.  One hundred miles of opposing tanks and infantry.</p>
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		<title>By: aesthete</title>
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		<dc:creator>aesthete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 20:37:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[was as large in scale as Stalingrad in WWII. Going into Stalingrad was an early ticket to hell. There were five times as many casualties from the battle of Stalingrad as there were total US WWII casualties.

I suspect that the dearth of US Army credit in the Pacific, much like the dearth of US Navy credit in the Italian and North African campaigns, is more due to military branch mythology than anything else -- the Navy/Marines get the Pacific, the Army gets the European theater, and the Air Force gets a hand in both.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>was as large in scale as Stalingrad in WWII. Going into Stalingrad was an early ticket to hell. There were five times as many casualties from the battle of Stalingrad as there were total US WWII casualties.</p>
<p>I suspect that the dearth of US Army credit in the Pacific, much like the dearth of US Navy credit in the Italian and North African campaigns, is more due to military branch mythology than anything else &#8212; the Navy/Marines get the Pacific, the Army gets the European theater, and the Air Force gets a hand in both.</p>
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		<title>By: Viet71</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2012/06/05/midway-the-forgotten-victory/#comment-22056</link>
		<dc:creator>Viet71</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 19:53:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Almost all 30,000 Japanese defenders died, together with numerous civilians, whom the Emperor encouraged to commit suicide.

Amazing to think of the U.S. waging war in Europe and in the Pacific with such tremendous forces.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Almost all 30,000 Japanese defenders died, together with numerous civilians, whom the Emperor encouraged to commit suicide.</p>
<p>Amazing to think of the U.S. waging war in Europe and in the Pacific with such tremendous forces.</p>
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		<title>By: acat</title>
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		<dc:creator>acat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 15:57:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Set &#039;em up on grandpa&#039;s knee and ask him questions.

No grandpa?  Photo album, and see if you can buttonhole one of the old soldiers at the end of the parade route.

Mew]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Set &#8216;em up on grandpa&#8217;s knee and ask him questions.</p>
<p>No grandpa?  Photo album, and see if you can buttonhole one of the old soldiers at the end of the parade route.</p>
<p>Mew</p>
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		<title>By: politicalwoman</title>
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		<dc:creator>politicalwoman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 15:55:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[At least you and us readers remember Midway.  Can we say the same about our children and future generations?  

&quot;Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it&quot; -- George Santayana]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>At least you and us readers remember Midway.  Can we say the same about our children and future generations?  </p>
<p>&#8220;Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it&#8221; &#8212; George Santayana</p>
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		<title>By: Viet71</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2012/06/05/midway-the-forgotten-victory/#comment-22049</link>
		<dc:creator>Viet71</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 14:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The marines are remembered for islands such as Tarawa and Iwo Jima.

But the slugfest that occurred on some islands was fought chiefly by the army.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The marines are remembered for islands such as Tarawa and Iwo Jima.</p>
<p>But the slugfest that occurred on some islands was fought chiefly by the army.</p>
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		<title>By: lakeshore</title>
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		<dc:creator>lakeshore</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 10:25:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve seen the 1976 (Heston &amp; Fonda) version many times. I&#039;ve also seen part of a 1940s version with (I believe) Don Ameche. How accurate are either of these? I know the 70&#039;s version uses a lot of footage from Tora! Tora! Tora! and some old naval films. I can easily recognize when incorrect planes are shown. Obviously, some fictional characters are added for the sake of the story. But, as to events and thought processes on both sides, is it close? I don&#039;t have time to read your whole article now, but thought I&#039;d post this question while I&#039;m here, thanks in advance.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve seen the 1976 (Heston &amp; Fonda) version many times. I&#8217;ve also seen part of a 1940s version with (I believe) Don Ameche. How accurate are either of these? I know the 70&#8242;s version uses a lot of footage from Tora! Tora! Tora! and some old naval films. I can easily recognize when incorrect planes are shown. Obviously, some fictional characters are added for the sake of the story. But, as to events and thought processes on both sides, is it close? I don&#8217;t have time to read your whole article now, but thought I&#8217;d post this question while I&#8217;m here, thanks in advance.</p>
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		<title>By: cactusjack</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2012/06/05/midway-the-forgotten-victory/#comment-22045</link>
		<dc:creator>cactusjack</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 00:02:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[there is an argument to be made that the US Army never got its due for its share of the Pacific War. The Philippines and Okinawa invasions were huge, the latter larger than D Day in scope. Those were either all-Army, or mostly- Army operations by the end - as was Guadalcanal. The re-taking of Manila was one of the largest urban warfare campaigns of the Second World War, up there with Warsaw and Stallingrad. Why did the Army get no press in the Pacific? MacArthur&#039;s tight muzzle of all PR and Press in his theater. I read a book - wish I could give you the title - about 10 years ago, of the Army&#039;s war in the Pacific, It was astounding how many amphibious operations the Army made, and how they had developed their own tactics for beach assaults quite less costly than the Navy/Marines. Manchester, a Marine himself, noted that in his book Goodbye Darkness (1983).  Not knocking the Marines, mind you, my uncle was one of them on Guadalcanal and came home with the standard case of malaria that he suffered from ever after.  They are all heroes no matter the uniform.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>there is an argument to be made that the US Army never got its due for its share of the Pacific War. The Philippines and Okinawa invasions were huge, the latter larger than D Day in scope. Those were either all-Army, or mostly- Army operations by the end &#8211; as was Guadalcanal. The re-taking of Manila was one of the largest urban warfare campaigns of the Second World War, up there with Warsaw and Stallingrad. Why did the Army get no press in the Pacific? MacArthur&#8217;s tight muzzle of all PR and Press in his theater. I read a book &#8211; wish I could give you the title &#8211; about 10 years ago, of the Army&#8217;s war in the Pacific, It was astounding how many amphibious operations the Army made, and how they had developed their own tactics for beach assaults quite less costly than the Navy/Marines. Manchester, a Marine himself, noted that in his book Goodbye Darkness (1983).  Not knocking the Marines, mind you, my uncle was one of them on Guadalcanal and came home with the standard case of malaria that he suffered from ever after.  They are all heroes no matter the uniform.</p>
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		<title>By: Flagstaff</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/neil_stevens/2012/06/05/midway-the-forgotten-victory/#comment-22044</link>
		<dc:creator>Flagstaff</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 22:44:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[My dad was in the Army, 3rd Infantry Division, in North Africa, Italy, and Germany.  I don&#039;t remember ever hearing much of anything from him about the war.  In fact, I didn&#039;t hear about any of it until his funeral.  I&#039;m proud to wear his ring today.

My wife&#039;s father was a young B-24 pilot, flying hours upon hours out of England, (Mildenhall, I believe).  He was similarly silent about it.

I would bet that is a pretty common thing--whatever else happened in WWII, the men who fought it were indeed MEN, who didn&#039;t generally need to talk about what they had done.  Audie Murphy was an anomaly, only in that we have heard his story, and he was the extreme case.  But they all shared the conditions and the life, and many gave up theirs for ours.  The ones who came home were glad to make it back; talking about it just didn&#039;t seem necessary.

I&#039;m thankful, though, for the ones who recorded the history of these battles.  They give us the chance, even now, to reflect, and to send our love and respect to all of our fathers and grandfathers (and some mothers and grandmothers, too), even though they may have to receive it long-distance.  It&#039;s impossible to thank them enough.

There are people in the news today who should be ashamed of themselves.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My dad was in the Army, 3rd Infantry Division, in North Africa, Italy, and Germany.  I don&#8217;t remember ever hearing much of anything from him about the war.  In fact, I didn&#8217;t hear about any of it until his funeral.  I&#8217;m proud to wear his ring today.</p>
<p>My wife&#8217;s father was a young B-24 pilot, flying hours upon hours out of England, (Mildenhall, I believe).  He was similarly silent about it.</p>
<p>I would bet that is a pretty common thing&#8211;whatever else happened in WWII, the men who fought it were indeed MEN, who didn&#8217;t generally need to talk about what they had done.  Audie Murphy was an anomaly, only in that we have heard his story, and he was the extreme case.  But they all shared the conditions and the life, and many gave up theirs for ours.  The ones who came home were glad to make it back; talking about it just didn&#8217;t seem necessary.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m thankful, though, for the ones who recorded the history of these battles.  They give us the chance, even now, to reflect, and to send our love and respect to all of our fathers and grandfathers (and some mothers and grandmothers, too), even though they may have to receive it long-distance.  It&#8217;s impossible to thank them enough.</p>
<p>There are people in the news today who should be ashamed of themselves.</p>
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		<title>By: Viet71</title>
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		<dc:creator>Viet71</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 21:28:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Viet71</title>
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		<dc:creator>Viet71</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 21:23:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By 1945, the U.S. spent about one-third of its war resources in the Pacific (some sources say a fifth to a fourth).  That was one-third what Japan spent.

The Pacific war was much more efficient than the war in Europe.  We took island by island, very methodically.

Europe was messy and wasteful, by comparison.

Europe gave rise to the Air Force.

The Pacific war made the U.S. Navy the most powerful military force on the planet earth.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By 1945, the U.S. spent about one-third of its war resources in the Pacific (some sources say a fifth to a fourth).  That was one-third what Japan spent.</p>
<p>The Pacific war was much more efficient than the war in Europe.  We took island by island, very methodically.</p>
<p>Europe was messy and wasteful, by comparison.</p>
<p>Europe gave rise to the Air Force.</p>
<p>The Pacific war made the U.S. Navy the most powerful military force on the planet earth.</p>
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		<title>By: Viet71</title>
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		<dc:creator>Viet71</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 20:19:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Japanese pilots came from the elite strata of society.  They were highly trained but basically irreplaceable.

Germany had the same problem.

American pilots, on the other hand, came from population generally.  We had, for all practical purposes, an unlimited supply line of pilots.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Japanese pilots came from the elite strata of society.  They were highly trained but basically irreplaceable.</p>
<p>Germany had the same problem.</p>
<p>American pilots, on the other hand, came from population generally.  We had, for all practical purposes, an unlimited supply line of pilots.</p>
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		<title>By: Viet71</title>
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		<dc:creator>Viet71</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 20:14:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Spruance was far superior to Nagumo.  Better risk taker, more aggressive, more intelligent.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Spruance was far superior to Nagumo.  Better risk taker, more aggressive, more intelligent.</p>
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		<title>By: timchgo9</title>
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		<dc:creator>timchgo9</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 20:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[about a month before Midway.  If Midway was the turning point, then Coral Sea was the application of the brakes.  

As a side note, Japanese carriers were not necessarily superior to US flat tops.  The Japanese were good, but we were better.  

Strategically, there was really no reason for the Japanese to even invest in occupying Midway.  Contrary to &quot;popular&quot; belief, their reason for wanting Midway was not  as a jumping off point for an invasion of the Hawaiian Islands.  That would have been unwieldy at best, since Midway is over 1000 miles from Hawaii, trying to supply an invasion force, and eventually a garrison from that distance would have been tenuous at best.  American subs still roamed far and wide in the Pacific.  A submarine campaign against those supply lines would have wreaked havoc.  Besides, Hawaii, esp Oahu had over 120,000 Army and Marine troops stationed there, along with tanks and aircraft.  They would have roughly handled any invasion force.  

The purpose of Midway was to draw out what was left of our Pacific fleet, so the Japanese could destroy it.  Which would have left us with no choice but to close down the Pacific Theatre, until we gained the strength to take it back, which probably would not have been until late 1943.   One has to remember, that at that time (June of 1942) our factories, ship yards, and armories were beginning to reach full capacity.  New ships were on the building ways, either being laid down, or completed.  Even if we were defeated at Midway, the final victory over Japan was kind of inevitable.  It just would have taken a bit longer.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>about a month before Midway.  If Midway was the turning point, then Coral Sea was the application of the brakes.  </p>
<p>As a side note, Japanese carriers were not necessarily superior to US flat tops.  The Japanese were good, but we were better.  </p>
<p>Strategically, there was really no reason for the Japanese to even invest in occupying Midway.  Contrary to &#8220;popular&#8221; belief, their reason for wanting Midway was not  as a jumping off point for an invasion of the Hawaiian Islands.  That would have been unwieldy at best, since Midway is over 1000 miles from Hawaii, trying to supply an invasion force, and eventually a garrison from that distance would have been tenuous at best.  American subs still roamed far and wide in the Pacific.  A submarine campaign against those supply lines would have wreaked havoc.  Besides, Hawaii, esp Oahu had over 120,000 Army and Marine troops stationed there, along with tanks and aircraft.  They would have roughly handled any invasion force.  </p>
<p>The purpose of Midway was to draw out what was left of our Pacific fleet, so the Japanese could destroy it.  Which would have left us with no choice but to close down the Pacific Theatre, until we gained the strength to take it back, which probably would not have been until late 1943.   One has to remember, that at that time (June of 1942) our factories, ship yards, and armories were beginning to reach full capacity.  New ships were on the building ways, either being laid down, or completed.  Even if we were defeated at Midway, the final victory over Japan was kind of inevitable.  It just would have taken a bit longer.</p>
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		<title>By: Viet71</title>
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		<dc:creator>Viet71</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 19:08:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[On the one hand, it was a defensive struggle, mainly against Viet Cong regulars (as opposed to NVA).

On the other, the U.S had such overwhelming military superiority in South Viet Nam, including total air superiority, that Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap&#039;s vision of a popular uprising in the South was foolish and foolhardy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>On the one hand, it was a defensive struggle, mainly against Viet Cong regulars (as opposed to NVA).</p>
<p>On the other, the U.S had such overwhelming military superiority in South Viet Nam, including total air superiority, that Gen. Vo Nguyen Giap&#8217;s vision of a popular uprising in the South was foolish and foolhardy.</p>
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		<title>By: Melody Warbington (rwm52)</title>
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		<dc:creator>Melody Warbington (rwm52)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 18:45:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&lt;a href=&quot;http://www.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/561744/Battle-for-Midway.html?nav=5031&quot;&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;, specifically with regard to the losses suffered by each side and how we cracked the Japanese codes.

&lt;blockquote&gt;The U.S. lost one carrier, 145 planes and 307 men. Japan lost four aircraft carriers, a heavy cruiser, 291 planes and 4,800 men, according to the U.S. Navy and to an account by former Japanese naval officers in &quot;Midway: The Battle That Doomed Japan, the Japanese Navy&#039;s Story.&quot;

The defeat was so overwhelming that the Japanese navy kept the details a closely guarded secret and most Japanese never heard of the battle until after the war.

Nimitz got his intelligence from Showers and a few dozen others relentlessly analyzing Japanese code in the basement of a Pearl Harbor administrative building.

Japanese messages were written using 45,000 five-digit numbers representing phrases and words.

The cryptographers had to figure out what the numbers said without the aid of computers.

&quot;In order to read the messages, we had to recover the meaning of each one of those code groups. The main story of our work was recovering code group meanings one-by-painful-one,&quot; Showers said.

At the time of the Dec. 7, 1941, attack on Pearl Harbor, they understood a small fraction of the messages. By May 1942, they could make educated guesses.

A key breakthrough came when they determined that Japan was using the letters &quot;AF&quot; to refer to Midway.

Showers said Cmdr. Joseph Rochefort, the team&#039;s leader, and Nimitz were confident that the letters referred to the atoll. But Adm. Ernest King, the Navy&#039;s top commander, wanted to be sure before he allowed Nimitz to send the precious few U.S. aircraft carriers out to battle.

So Nimitz had the patrol base at Midway send a message to Oahu saying the island&#039;s distillation plant was down, and it urgently needed fresh water. Soon after, both an intelligence team in Australia and Rochefort&#039;s unit picked up a Japanese message saying &quot;AF&quot; had a water shortage.

Showers was an ensign in the office, having just joined the Navy. He analyzed code deciphered by cryptographers, plotted ships on maps of the Pacific, and filed information.

Now 92 and living in Arlington, Va., the Iowa City, Iowa, native went on to a career in intelligence. He served on Nimitz&#039;s staff on Guam toward the end of the war, and returned later to Pearl Harbor for stints leading the Pacific Fleet&#039;s intelligence effort. After the Navy, he worked for the Central Intelligence Agency.

Showers said commanders weren&#039;t always as open to using intelligence to plan their course of attack the way Nimitz was. Some were suspicious of it.

But Midway changed that.

&quot;It used to be a lot of people thought intelligence was something mysterious and they didn&#039;t believe in it and they didn&#039;t have to pay attention to it. Admiral Nimitz was fortunately what we call intelligence-friendly,&quot; Showers said.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Imagine what would have happened if Jamie Gorelick had been around then what with the let&#039;s not share information mind-set.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.mauinews.com/page/content.detail/id/561744/Battle-for-Midway.html?nav=5031">here</a>, specifically with regard to the losses suffered by each side and how we cracked the Japanese codes.</p>
<blockquote><p>The U.S. lost one carrier, 145 planes and 307 men. Japan lost four aircraft carriers, a heavy cruiser, 291 planes and 4,800 men, according to the U.S. Navy and to an account by former Japanese naval officers in &#8220;Midway: The Battle That Doomed Japan, the Japanese Navy&#8217;s Story.&#8221;</p>
<p>The defeat was so overwhelming that the Japanese navy kept the details a closely guarded secret and most Japanese never heard of the battle until after the war.</p>
<p>Nimitz got his intelligence from Showers and a few dozen others relentlessly analyzing Japanese code in the basement of a Pearl Harbor administrative building.</p>
<p>Japanese messages were written using 45,000 five-digit numbers representing phrases and words.</p>
<p>The cryptographers had to figure out what the numbers said without the aid of computers.</p>
<p>&#8220;In order to read the messages, we had to recover the meaning of each one of those code groups. The main story of our work was recovering code group meanings one-by-painful-one,&#8221; Showers said.</p>
<p>At the time of the Dec. 7, 1941, attack on Pearl Harbor, they understood a small fraction of the messages. By May 1942, they could make educated guesses.</p>
<p>A key breakthrough came when they determined that Japan was using the letters &#8220;AF&#8221; to refer to Midway.</p>
<p>Showers said Cmdr. Joseph Rochefort, the team&#8217;s leader, and Nimitz were confident that the letters referred to the atoll. But Adm. Ernest King, the Navy&#8217;s top commander, wanted to be sure before he allowed Nimitz to send the precious few U.S. aircraft carriers out to battle.</p>
<p>So Nimitz had the patrol base at Midway send a message to Oahu saying the island&#8217;s distillation plant was down, and it urgently needed fresh water. Soon after, both an intelligence team in Australia and Rochefort&#8217;s unit picked up a Japanese message saying &#8220;AF&#8221; had a water shortage.</p>
<p>Showers was an ensign in the office, having just joined the Navy. He analyzed code deciphered by cryptographers, plotted ships on maps of the Pacific, and filed information.</p>
<p>Now 92 and living in Arlington, Va., the Iowa City, Iowa, native went on to a career in intelligence. He served on Nimitz&#8217;s staff on Guam toward the end of the war, and returned later to Pearl Harbor for stints leading the Pacific Fleet&#8217;s intelligence effort. After the Navy, he worked for the Central Intelligence Agency.</p>
<p>Showers said commanders weren&#8217;t always as open to using intelligence to plan their course of attack the way Nimitz was. Some were suspicious of it.</p>
<p>But Midway changed that.</p>
<p>&#8220;It used to be a lot of people thought intelligence was something mysterious and they didn&#8217;t believe in it and they didn&#8217;t have to pay attention to it. Admiral Nimitz was fortunately what we call intelligence-friendly,&#8221; Showers said.</p></blockquote>
<p>Imagine what would have happened if Jamie Gorelick had been around then what with the let&#8217;s not share information mind-set.</p>
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		<title>By: hanoverhenry</title>
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		<dc:creator>hanoverhenry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 05 Jun 2012 18:38:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[and an excellent article whose conclusion adds to the excellent and accurate detail of your report.  I would add one more similarity to the two pivotal battles: the aura of invincibility of both General Lee&#039;s army and the Japanese military was gone after each of these battles.  In both cases, it was the &quot;high water mark&quot; of those fighting the United States, seen much better after, and especially with the comparison.  Happy I am to recommend the article, both here and also to my friends at Facebook.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>and an excellent article whose conclusion adds to the excellent and accurate detail of your report.  I would add one more similarity to the two pivotal battles: the aura of invincibility of both General Lee&#8217;s army and the Japanese military was gone after each of these battles.  In both cases, it was the &#8220;high water mark&#8221; of those fighting the United States, seen much better after, and especially with the comparison.  Happy I am to recommend the article, both here and also to my friends at Facebook.</p>
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