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Todd Akin Must Go

By: neoavatara (Diary)  |  August 19th, 2012 at 05:01 PM  | 

RESIZE: AAA

There are very few things in life that I thought would make me call for the resignation of a politician.  Clear corruption and dereliction of duty, surely.  Treason, obviously.  If they stated “Hail Hitler” on the floor of Congress.

Somehow Rep. Akin found a new one.

Rep. Todd Akin, the Republican nominee for Senate in Missouri who is running against Sen. Claire McCaskill, justified his opposition to abortion rights even in case of rape with a claim that victims of “legitimate rape” have unnamed biological defenses that prevent pregnancy.

“First of all, from what I understand from doctors [pregnancy from rape] is really rare,” Akin told KTVI-TV in an interview posted Sunday. “If it’s a legitimate rape, the female body has ways to try to shut that whole thing down.”

This is abhorrent, ignorant, idiotic, foolish, blindingly stupid…I would use a few other choice words, but I have promised never to curse on this site.

Akin must go…now.  I am willing to give leeway to candidates saying dumb things once in a while, things that are a slip of the tongue, or a simple misunderstanding.  This is none of those. The video of this is worse than the quote.  It shows a man that is clueless beyond all measure, and shouldn’t be voted in as a local dog catcher, let along as a U.S. Senator.

It is time for the GOP and the conservatives of America to stand up and replace this man, because he is not fit to be a member of the U.S. Senate.

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  • Viet71

    I suspect your time here will be limited.

    You would have done better to explain why Akin’s wrong as a matter of biology. That would fly here.

    • generica

      Do you really need a science lesson on how women get pregnant? Do you think that its a matter of the woman’s feelings towards the man, as Akin does? Akin is campaigning in the wrong century for this trash.

      • Viet71

        Let’s say Akin is ignorant.

        How many other senators are ignorant on a matter of law, science, economics, math, you name it? I’ll tell you. All of them.

        Akin’s just pushed a hot button issue for you.

        • http://www.neoavatara.com/blog neoavatara

          I truly believe 100 Senators today realize that rapes can result in pregnancy.

          • Viet71

            You argue Todd Akin should be rejected because he is ignorant of a biological fact.

            I argue ignorance pervades the senate and that Akin’s alleged ignorance is irrelevant to how he will perform as a senator.

          • http://www.neoavatara.com/blog neoavatara

            But I disagree wholeheartedly.

            You don’t need to be a genius to be a Senator. But you need to have som e knowledge. You can’t be completely ignorant of reality and be successful

            Your argument would mean if someone didn’t understand math, they could still theoretically be a good senator…how would they balance the budget? Reform entitlements? How would they know how to pay for anything?

            Some things are so basic, that yes, not understanding it means you cannot be a good representative for the people…this is one of those cases.

          • Viet71

            But I still think you’re wrong to spike Todd Akin on one remark. Look at his whole record and at his opponent.

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            Right before the perpetrator was about to rip the woman’s clothes off, she defecated in her pants, thus stopping the rape.

            true story

          • Viet71

            n/t

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            I’m not running against McCaskill (sp?).

          • volunteerstate

            The Republican YOU castigate… is OPPOSED to RAPE. HE IS A CONSERVATIVE. THE Democrat McCaskill is in FAVOR of KILLING UNBORN CHILDREN. Think about it. Maybe you will be better tomorrow. Give it a break. Have you NEVER mis-spoke. Sheese………

          • http://www.TerriersOfTheRight.blogspot.com Flagstaff

            He also had the wrong response to criticism. Any Democrat would have been ready with “I was taken out of context. I didn’t say it. I didn’t mean it. I was talking about the roads and bridges. I had taken pain medication.” Any or all of them.

        • califgal

          I suspect someone told him that the percentage of pregancies resulting from rape is low –that would probably be statistically true if only because most intercourse doesn’t result in pregnancy, even that between husband and wife, and I suspect someone told him that a traumatic event as is a rape, might make conception even more difficult than it already is, but even research on the pregnancies of the women who lived through the bombing of Dresden is still fraught with disagreement.

          In any case, he was talking nonsense and his nonsense has already had an effect on the top of the ticket, with the Romney/Ryan team having to put out a statement. That won’t stop the attacks starting tomorrow, linking Ryan to this goofball since Akin was a co-sponsor to an anti-abortion bill with Ryan in which they wished to stop fed. funds from being used for abortions except in the case of “forcible rape.”

          The argument here will be over the “forcible rape” language.

          This can be used to make Ryan look like Akin.

          I say get this bum off the MO. ticket, now.

          • Viet71

            Politics isn’t fair. Politicians are supposed to be skilled with words. That’s how they get themselves elected. Or not.

            Akin is likely a goner — I don’t know the lay of Missouri politics.

            The “legitimate” remark is a soundbite anchor for the Republican Party if he stays.

          • edintexas

            So far his faux pas hasn’t caused his numbers to drop below McCaskill’s. Maybe that is the result of the incident being too recent, or maybe the voters of MO are more forgiving of stupid statements than Neoavatara.

            I don’t believe Akin is ignorant of the biology. I do believe he made a very, very stupid statement in trying to make a point. I can only speculate as to why Neoavatara seems to find his stupid statement more objectionable than Biden’s recent stupidity.

          • romansdaughter

            Helllo can we say, Joe Biden? He is has been in Politics for 36 years how many gaffes, stupidness and down right evil comments has he made…with nary an apology. The Dems are using us guys…playing us like a drum. We should unite behind them and press on. McCaskill is far worse. She voted for Obamacare, need I say more?

    • John T. Bennett

      It is astonishing that you would offer this defense of Akin’s “reasoning.” He himself has admitted that he is totally wrong. Why are you making excuses for Akin that Akin is not even making for himself?

    • naharu89x7

      He said something controversial, but that was not his crime. His crime was taking a conservative position and being a Republican.

      I thought this country had something called the first amendment? Why should he be punished for saying a single sentence?

      Because it offends planned parenthood?

      Liberals play to win, they do not surrender or compromise. If we surrender to their every whim..then why do you wonder why it is the left always wins?

      • jamesm

        McCaskill..yes. Stand behind his inability to articulate a position he claims to hold dearly? Stand behind his selfishness? No. Vote for him only to defeat McCaskill.

    • http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/04/holders_revenge.html John T. Bennett

      Have any of the Akin supporters stopped to consider the meaning of the circular firing squad analogy? A circular firing squad is when the good guys shoot themselves while shooting the bad guy.

      Great job admitting that Akin is the bad guy.

      Now, the question is, Are the good guys actually shooting each other? The answer is obviously no. Everyone from Levin to Rush to Romney to Coulter to Brown to the previous 5 Republican Senators from MO, are all united in telling Akin to step aside.

      No conservative is shooting themselves by condemning Akin. He is absolutely toxic, and there will be no way to wipe the tar off of ourselves if that man is associated with the GOP.

      So what if there is a liberal media double standard? The game is not fair. The rules won’t change before the election. Anyone who thinks the proper response to the Akin controversy is to complain about double standards has their head in the clouds. There is a giant toxic mess named Akin smeared all over the GOP and conservatives. There are replacement candidates that won’t damage us. Akin will only damage us.

      Who can honestly argue that the best approach is to continue with Akin?

      • Viet71

        After learning of the “legitimate” qualifier.

        Ignorance does not excuse his use of that word.

        It was a deliberate word choice, the wrong word choice, and to use your term, a toxic word choice.

        The debate is not about abortion.

        It’s about “war on women” — if one reads what ordinary Americans are reading today.

        So, for another how many days, the debate fails to be about Obama’s handling of the economy — a winning hand for the Republicans.

    • thefrederalgovt

      It appears Rasmussen already has Akin 10 pts down to McCaskill and this is while Akin still has a little money. Let’s face it, Dems strategym of picking most gaffe-prone candidate worked unfortunately.

      • thefrederalgovt

        forgot to add this: http://www.rasmussenreports.com/public_content/politics/elections/election_2012/election_2012_senate_elections/missouri/election_2012_missouri_senate

  • http://www.neoavatara.com/blog neoavatara

    As a matter of biology, it is irrelevant how semen gets into the vaginal tract. It can cause pregnancy regardless.

    There are some things that every adult should know. I think Akin may know this, but I am far from certain after watching the clip that he does know. That is enough reason for him to not be a serious candidate.

    Sorry, but after watching the video, that is my opinion…and I hate to tell you, I am far from alone even among my conservative brethren.

    • Viet71

      I can’t vote for Akin.

      Truth is, his position on abortion is irrelevant to his candidacy, except in voter perception, which is what I guess you’re getting at.

    • congressworksforus

      If it were that simple, invitro fertlization would work 100% of the time.

      It doesn’t, mainly because of the stress involved in women who are (usually by that time) desperate to get pregnant.

      As a friend’s doctor told her, it’s the body saying it’s not ready to have a baby.

      I don’t know why this is so difficult for people to grasp; high stress is known to be a cause of miscarriages. Why is it so hard to believe that high stress (and I’m guessing being raped is pretty stressful) would prevent a pregnancy.

      Frankly, the faux outrage on this issue disgusts me. The only reason the GOP is all over this guy is because their guy lost the primary.

  • Bill S

    http://www.akin.org/updates/akin-statement-jaco-report-interview

    He’s the candidate. Either support him or quiet down. We here in MO are interested in getting rid of McCaskill. This is unhelpful.

    • http://www.neoavatara.com/blog neoavatara

      And honestly, this will be the last you will hear from me on the issue, after this.

      But lets be clear: he is now going to lose. McCaskill may be the worst senator in the country, and this guy is probably going to lose…to her.

      • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

        nt

      • Bill S

        Or any other politician?

        Haven’t heard any howls from the Left about Obama dropping out after the “You didn’t build that”, have you?

        Democrats are stupid, but not that stupid.

        Next time your knee jerks, ignore it.

        • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

          while Obama gets a pass and Biden is deemed out of bounds. Obama and most all of the Dem party is out of bounds.

          • civil truth

            Fairness has nothing to do with it – we just have to accept that the MSM rules are not the same for the two parties.

            Which makes unforced errors even more important to avoid. Akin’s error, unfortunately, is a sound-bite nightmare given an electorate that won’t care to go into the fine points of rape statistics.

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            Not sure where the guy got this biological defense mechanism….

          • demsaresatanic

            It is obviously not absolute, but is valid statistically. The details are perhaps too graphic to post here, but involve the ability of sperm to survive and navigate the vaginal environment. This is probably the source of the comment.

          • civil truth

            You’ve lost too much of the electorate.

            This is, at this point, it’s a political question, not a debate on the science of pregnancy. And Akin with his “legitimate rape” sound bite has lost the issue – and almost certainly the election – and will be a drag on other Republicans this cycle.

          • congressworksforus

            The only people outraged enough by his stupid comment to actually not vote for him, weren’t voting for him in the first place!

          • commonsenseobserver

            Because the guy has managed to get himself into a virtual tie with a ridiculously tilted R+9 sample. With a terribly unpopular Senator.

            Before this, he was winning. Now he’s implicating every other Republican on the ticket.

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            is microscopic and the legitimate fear of us pro-lifers with the rape exception is that many women will claim rape after good voluntary times, BUT

            Akin said more than that, and it sounded kooky.

          • demsaresatanic

            fact is bs. The way the Rovian elitists are treating him is so typical of them, and typically disgusting in my opinion.

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            accept the MSM narrative and join in the mob. Rove gets to advise Dubya to keep his mouth shut during the Bushlied Era and then make money on a book admitting his mistake and wield chalk professorially on Fox. But Akin must go immediately. I hear ya.

    • hoyasaxa

      What was he trying to say? The man, in clear English, said “If it

      • Viet71

        You are here to diminish Todd Akin because of one remark having to do with abortion.

        Guess what: rape can result in pregnancy.

        Alabama’s abortion law in early 1973 provided for exceptions in the case of rape or incest.

        Point Is: You are an abortion activist. You have a fight to fight. This is not one of them.

        • hoyasaxa

          I would like the Republican Party to be in the majority in the United States Senate in January 2013.

          http://www.sos.mo.gov/elections/laws/ch_115_pgs_3-152.pdf#p72 – As far as I can tell, Akin can withdraw by Tuesday (which is 11 weeks before Election Day if I’ve counted right) according to sections 115.359 and 115.363, and be replaced by a nominee chosen by a party nominating committee. McCaskill is deeply unpopular, and can only win reelection if her opponent is unacceptable to the general electorate. Akin was the guy the Dems wanted to run against for a reason, and this just makes it 10x easier for her to be reelected.

          If you think Akin should remain the candidate, then I’d argue you’re the one furthering the aims of abortion activists. Helping to keep Reid majority leader and Leahy chairman of the Judiciary Committee is not going to do a whole lot for pro-life causes in the US.

          • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

            Note even if Biden race-baited and Obama said ‘you didnt built that”…. they are still on the ticket.

            It is suspicious to have an article like this NOT mention the clarification / apology and jump fullbore to a ‘hang em high’ call… It needs to be put in there.

            People are jumping the gun:

            http://legalinsurrection.com/2012/08/republican-makes-stupid-statement-everyone-swarm/

            Dana L on defense:

            Michael Bloomberg wants to treat moms who use formula as criminals in NYC. What was that about “creepy old men?”

            Akin failed a soundbite. McCaskill helped tank the economy. If you think his bad is worse, join the left.

            Cue liberal outrage! Oh, wait. RT @AlexaShrugged: @DLoesch Also Biden saying there’d be more rapes if jobs bill not passed

            …. Now, it’s a weak defense to point out that politicians say stupid stuff all the time, but in reality this statement means little. It doesnt change much what people will vote on or how they feel about the issues, because there are a lot bigger issues out there than this.

          • Bill S

            …you decide to wear your ass for a hat, resist the temptation.

      • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

        I agree the comments were unfathomalby stupid, but he has apologized for the statements:

        “As a member of Congress, I believe that working to protect the most vulnerable in our society is one of my most important responsibilities, and that includes protecting both the unborn and victims of sexual assault. In reviewing my off-the-cuff remarks, it’s clear that I misspoke in this interview and it does not reflect the deep empathy I hold for the thousands of women who are raped and abused every year. Those who perpetrate these crimes are the lowest of the low in our society and their victims will have no stronger advocate in the Senate to help ensure they have the justice they deserve.” Rep Akin

        If you are pro-abortion, vote McCaskill.
        But if you are pro-life, vote Akin.

        Rest assured, McCaskill has said her share of very stupid things.

        • hoyasaxa

          1) He apologized for it by saying he misspoke. It’s tough to see what he could have been trying to say other than what he did say. The issue is going to remain a distraction rather than getting to run against McCaskill’s votes on the economy/health care. You can’t just erase something politically awful by saying you misspoke.

          2) There’s a limited amount of time where the party can replace Akin with a candidate who will stand a better chance at beating McCaskill. At this point, any Republican over 30 years old in Missouri who has a pulse would be included in that category. Akin needs to withdraw for that to happen. Moving on means missing this opportunity, and possibly costing the GOP senate control next Congress.

          • reclaimit

            I understand that his comments could be considered offensive to victims of legitimate rape, or even feminists, but the majority of women in Missouri share Akin’s views on rape and abortion, and even though he now says he misspoke (clearly to avoid the PC backlash) actual women voters are not going abandon him. If this were California, or New York, getting 5% of the female vote would definitely hurt. But we are talking about Tea Party Missouri, and the women there weren’t burning bras in the 60s. They aren’t so much concerned about “equality” because they know better and they don’t fall for every media claptrap trend they see. Most importantly, like Akin, they know the difference between forcible rape and just rape, and how it’s just language designed to legalize abortion.

            I wish Akin hadn’t claimed he misspoke, because this was what they call a teachable moment. The majority of women votes he loses over this will be negligible. Possibly some rape victims in Missouri, but statistically, most rapes occur in poorer, minority areas that aren’t likely to vote Republican anyway. Maybe a few hundred are enraged enough to actually vote this year, but I’ll bet thousands more women learn of Akin’s stance on abortion because of this story, which brings them to the polls, too.

            Not a bad outcome.

          • commonsenseobserver

            “most rapes occur in poorer, minority areas”

            Hello, that’s not the point. Most ordinary people actually care about crime, and victims of crime.

            In any case, “rape” is not the important part of pro-life principles, “life” is. While I personally believe that in such cases, it’s a lot more delicate and we should respect the personal nature of the mother’s decision and the extreme suffering which she has borne, Rep. Akin believes that the sanctity of life is paramount, and he is entitled to this view. He’s just not entitled to his own facts.

          • reclaimit

            Rape victims account for a small percentage of abortions each year. My point is that Missouri women are not going to wash their hands with Akin over these comments, because his stance on abortion is more important to the majority of women. That is why he was so far ahead in the polls. They like his views on issues like the Pledge of Allegiance, online poker, and using stem cells for unethical research. Those are issues that resonate in their lives. Thankfully, rape does not.

          • commonsenseobserver

            I just think that he just possibly squandered his inbuilt advantage on this issue with a poorly thought-out comment that makes him appear heartless and stupid, even if voters agree with the stance itself.

          • 10ab

            Your post is even more offensive than Akin’s uttered insanity!

          • texasref

            I thought it was spot-on. Both what the commenter said and what Akin said (but not how he said it).

          • sagettaurus

            http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2008/10/23/fact-check-does-obama-oppose-mandatory-prison-sentences-for-violent-criminals-and-drug-dealers/

            (I disagree with the fact checker’s assessment.)

            http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jul/08/humberto-leal-garcia-executed-texas

          • smagar

            Akin said something monumentally stupid. Already, the Romney/Ryan camp has had to distance themselves from it.

            The GOP will now have to spend millions of dollars on a Senate race that should have been a cakewalk.

            Akin will have to explain himself, over and over and over again. McCaskill can use the kerfluffle as a smokescreen to hide behind. How is he going to explain that he thought that women’s bodies would respond differently to rape than to consensual sex?

            If we don’t take the Senate in November, forget repealing Obamacare. That affects all of us. Every Senate seat is precious.

            Should there be a nation-wide GOP move to force Akin to step aside. NO! He is Missouri’s candidate.

            But, if Akin starts sinking because of a mistake that he made, he shouldn’t expect the national GOP to spend precious resources trying to save him from the consequences of his own words.

          • acat

            Or that McCaskell won’t try guilt-by-association regardless?

            Get serious.

            Mew

          • edintexas

            ” Already, the Romney/Ryan camp has had to distance themselves from it.”

            So what else is new? The Republicans run scared every single time the MSM makes an issue of anything a Republican does which is stupid. Or anything the Democrats want the MSM to gin up “outrage” about. When the MSM asks them to comment on something like this, they run for the hills – if they don’t dump on the alleged perpetrator of the “outrage”.

          • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

            You are going to have to define ‘better chance’ more precisely than a guy up by 10 in the latest poll (8/13 SurveyUSA).

            He made a Category 5 Gaffe (in the Biden scale), but having apologized for it, it will only show desperation on the part of McCaskill and the media to overplay it. this will wound him but not kill him.

            “Moving on means missing this opportunity, and possibly costing the GOP senate control next Congress.”

            Stop bedwetting. Its unseemly.

          • congressworksforus

            If the Dems want to make this election about one comment for the next 2.5 months, his team should have a field day.

            You can see the ad now.

            “In August I made a very stupid statement regarding pregnancy and rape. . Yet here we are, tw months later and Claire McCaskill is still talking about it, but isn’t talking about the economy and jobs. Why not? Because Claire McCaskill knows that if the people of Missouri are looking at her record she will lose this election. ”

            Folks, this isn’t rocket science!

          • commonsenseobserver

            For a rather good reason.

            He’s radioactive now in Missouri itself. 58% view him unfavourably in a sample with a GOP sample advantage of 9 points.

            And what did he do? He asked for forgiveness saying that he “misspoke”. Nothing about life, values, crime, and his other stronger areas. That doesn’t inspire confidence in anyone, insider or not.

          • remnant60

            I’ve been following this thread since last Sunday, and as as a Missouri voter, I just have to laugh at both the faux-handwringing and the sincere handwringing going on here…and on the MSM…

            MO is a Redstate with two hard-core blue high density populations…STL and KC. Those are the folks that Todd has to win over…for the most part the rest of the state HATES the fact that we voted in a dead man, which cleared the way for AirClaire to get where she is now. We would vote for somebody’s dead cat as opposed to Claire.

            That being said, his choice of words were to put it bluntly, stupid. He apologized, and clarified his position. In my mind, ok time to move on.

    • reclaimit

      was no doubt where he misspoke. But in the grand scheme of things, it is certainly true that conditions such as extreme stress and other biological factors play some role in conception. So his statement, while inaccurate, does not seem malicious or deceitful to me.

      • RealQuiet

        But calling for Akin to withdraw as the nominee because of one misstep seems to be highly knee-jerk. His supporters would probably not cast a Senate vote if the GOP forced Akin out. That would assure McCaskill of holding onto her seat. I think McCaskill will adopt the Obama strategy of “use any issue that can take the focus off my record in office” She’ll run solely on this from now until Election Day which is fine by me. It will make her look like she is trying to avoid the serious issues this country faces and what she has done already.

        • califgal

          he spoke what he believed and revealed himself to be an ignoramus.

      • jamesm

        Surely it is agreed from a politically correct point of view it did not sound right. But on the biology he may have a kernel of truth? Maybe Akin was talking out his Biden…Lol

        • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

          Which is that abortions of pregnancies due to rape makes up a tiny fraction of the number of abortions each year.
          “Rape” is a worst-case scenario that is wheeled out to defend abortion – “how dare you force a victim of rape to bear a child of the rapist!” – but neglects the 99% other cases, where it is a desire not to have an unwanted child for reasons of convenience or economics.

          on the biology “Akin was talking out his Biden” indeed.

          Akins facebook page comments are brutal:
          http://www.facebook.com/supportakin?ref=stream

          • jamesm

            because there is a medical procedure for rape victims to stop conception. (If the rape victim seeks help immediately) This may be why the pregnacy rate is extremely low.

      • acat

        “helpers” like tansy (Tanacetum vulgare) which have been around for centuries, sometimes used in just such a situation.

        Mew

        • jimmyg

          and leave it at that.

        • exitsfunnel

          There is mention of tansy used as an abortafacient in one of the ‘Song of Fire and Ice’ novels which take place in a fantasy world. I had never heard of it and assumed that it was just something made up by the author. But you learn something new every day.

          on topic: this isn’t the first time that I’ve heard a pro-life advocate make the argument that Akin made, but it is the first time in 25 years. I remember one of our local pastors making the same argument when I was in 10th grade which would have been 1986 or so. I’m pretty sure that that whole line of reasoning has been debunked. I guess that this guy didn’t get the memo.

          I’m not from MO and I don’t have a dog in this fight but in my opinion the Republican voters of that state chose him and as unfortunate an unforced error as this was, I don’t think that it rises to the level that he should be forced from the race.

          -exits

          • acat

            Like you, I ran across a reference in a book – John Ringo’s “There Will Be Dragons”, IIRC – and looked it up.

            Like you, I don’t think this is a serious position, although there is some biology and some “private woman’s sub-culture” to back it up…

            Like you, I also don’t think it’s worth kicking Akin off the ballot.

            Mew

  • merrie7137

    The libs are having a field day with this. We need this seat. This guy’s an idiot. He has to go.

  • pdawk

    And he will be a drag on the Republican ticket. He just became Christine O’Donnell as this one comment will define him for the rest of the race. My wife who is more conservative than any woman I know read his comments then looked at me and said “This guy is to stupid to be a Senator.” I tend to agree.

    • http://libertynews.com/ mbecker908

      The election is four months away. The economy is sliding downhill at an increasing pace and you’re an idiot. So is the idiot who wrote this piece of crap.

      • pdawk

        Keep the blinders on and the insults rolling, it doesn’t change the fact that Akin is this years Christine O’Donnell.

        • acat

          You sure you wanna speak for the establishment, pdawk?

          Just sayin’

          Mew

          • pdawk

            O’Donnell didn’t need any help killing her campaign, she did fine on her own.

          • acat

            [citation needed], pdawk.

            Mew

      • Kyle-MI

        If he were a Democrat he would be considered Vice Presidential material. Unfortunately, the Dems, the press, and a lot of other Republicans will crucify him for one misstep.

        Consider this though, even if he does withdraw, do you really think this will be the end of this issue?

        • commonsenseobserver

          And a very, very, silly mistake.

          But this is a key swing state, and I do think that in the best interests of the voters of Missouri and the Missouri GOP, he should consider a further course of action to remedy the situation. As I understand it, people in Missouri are not exactly fans of abortion themselves. That means he could get out there and make a passionate case for the sanctity of life and family values.

          But perhaps Sarah Steelman, or even Sen. Talent or Sen. Blunt’s son?

          Just don’t let Air Claire stay.

          • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

            The ONLY reasonable Akin withdrawal scenario:
            would be for Akin to voluntarily suspend his campaign and withdraw in favor of the person who got the 2nd highest # of votes in the MO-SEN primary … who I think was Steelman (correct me if it was Brunner).

            Any other scenario, either backroom deal or new face, is just an invitation for the kind of cluster**** that beset Illinois GOP in 2004 Senate race when they replaced Ryan after he won the nomination. The good news is the 3-way primary mean other candidates have campaign operations that can fill the gap.

            That said, I am very suspicious that the right thing is to do like Gibbs did with the Biden “chains” comment … he didnt call for Biden to get kicked off the VP ticket… he bascially doubled down on the “well he didnt mean what you think he said” and powered forward.

            Lets not let our campaigns get defined by the manufactured outrage of the other side.
            Rather than try to defend Rep Akins artless way of trying to explain that abortions due to rape are a tiny fraction of total abortions, lets just say: “Rep Akins said a foolish thing that he apologized later that day. we should move on and discuss the real issues and positions that we face. “

    • nocontest

      Akin said what he really believes and for good reason he will be remembered for this no matter what great things he has accomplished.

      He has just stated on Hannity that he will stay in the race.

      This is hurting the ticket as we speak. The damage is already done.

    • edintexas

      If we apply a standard of not making stupid statements as a qualifier for holding office, we would have to empty most offices in the various Congressional office buildings.

  • davenj1

    BUT, consider some facts. There are 1.3 million abortions performed each year. About 1%, or 13,000, are attributable to rape. But are they? Crime statistics indicate 0.4 rapes per 1,000 population or about 200,700 rapes per year. That is a broad definition of rape. The Justice Department notes that there are about 64,000 of those total rapes considered “completed rapes” where, obviously, someone CAN get get pregnant. If that is the case, then (not trying to be callous here) rapists are “guessing right” when they rape because greater than 20% of their rapes would result in pregnancy. In order to get to that alleged 13,000 figure, then ALL of the fetuses the result of these good-guessing rapists would have to be aborted. Therefore, the actual number of pregnancies due to rape has to be considerably lower than the 13,000 alleged. Some have put the actual number as low as 500. In other words, you want to drop Akin for a comment- silly and insensitive as it is- for what amounts to about probably 500 aborted pregnancies a year. Yes, McCaskill will use the statement against him, but this election is not about abortion. Its the economy, stupid.

    • absdoggy

      The whole biology thing is just plain stupid. Ok, people say stupid things.

      But to use the term “legitimate rape”? WTF does that mean? Rape is rape – by its very definition. Rape is a crime of violence against women. Using this term plays right into and serves to confirm all the left wing’s stereotypes of Republicans and Tea Party as misogynist and anti-women. Not only McCaskill will use this against him, every Republican in the country will be tarred and feathered with this.

      He has to go. Moreover, if we, as forthright conservatives with integrity, should demand it. Hovde will beat McCaskill.

      • Kyle-MI

        I am not defending any other part of Akin’s statement. And the guy did apologize for the other part of his statement.

      • jamesm

        just because he is accused, Is everyone stupid? Don’t buy any nonsense.

      • nocontest

        and as of a few minutes ago he has stated he has no intention of dropping out.

      • congressworksforus

        Sadly it appears many women get a abortion claiming to be raped. Wasn’t there a recent story about a women doing just that, accusing her boyfriend (yes, she was *shock* cheating on her husband) of being a rapist because she got pregnant.

        Really, as low as the moral compass in this country has dropped, is it that hard to believe that a women who cheats on her husband would also tell the local abortion clinic that she was raped…

  • sagettaurus

    To which the RR campaign should go on the offense saying that Obama tried to save the life of murdering rapist Humberto Leal Garcia last year and has voted against mandatory prison sentences for sex offenders….something to that effect. They need to go on offense when the media tries to tar them with this.

    • acat

      If not, then you’re arguing in advance of evidence, wasting time, spreading fear, uncertainty, and doubt, and doing our enemy’s job for him.

      Panic. Just say no.

      Mew

    • commonsenseobserver

      To the pro-life movement. Obama actually spent money on a TV ad about Romney’s and Ryan’s views on abortion and birth control.

      Chances are, no one cares about their scaremongering about contraception and Planned Parenthood and whatnot. Republicans will still stand proudly for the dignity and worth of every human life, and voters won’t punish them for that if they don’t bungle up their messaging like Todd Akin did.

      • jamesm

        should stand up for future children whose life is cut short by the ending of their human existence in th womb. There is always the option of adoption.

        • retrocon87

          we’ll just have to sit and wait for Akin to explain to us what to do in that case I guess…

          if I lived in Missouri I’d vote for Godzilla over Claire McCaskill but what the hell this idiot was thinking I’ll never know…

          • jamesm

            address this situation prior to conception. Conception does not happen instantaneously. Akin’s words are indefensible.

          • texasref

            kthanx

          • jamesm

            weirdo

          • acat

            Obama, Biden, Bush 1 and 2, etc. prove stepping on your tongue isn’t a problem.

            Mew

          • jamesm

            McCaskill is a puppet and idiot. And?

          • retrocon87

            and thought I’d made pretty clearly in my post that I would support virtually anyone over her (including Akin), and I mean that. I am simply noting that it would be nice to see more Ryan’s and Cruz’s in the party and fewer Akin’s….. Seeing Ryan intellectually run circles around Biden has been quite “refreshing” to put it mildly. People like Akin set the whole thing back, and there are more than enough intelligent, articulate conservatives in this country that we shouldn’t have wound up with an idiot like this potentially jeopardizing what should have been a safe Senate pickup in addition to embarrassing us and fueling the recurring (and extremely infuriating) liberal narrative that “conservatives are all anti-woman morons.” If this guy were to drop out and get replaced by Steelman I wouldn’t be unhappy at all to see it.

          • texasref

            Nothing inarticulate or unintelligent about relating what everybody understands makes sense, that when the body undergoes violent trauma, it affects our chemical balances, which in turn affect reproductive conditions.

            This smells like a bunch of bullcrap from whiny rhinos that want the media to like them soooooo bad and the quickest way to do that is to go pro-choice, because let’s face it, all this anti-Akin talk (especially after he apologized, which I don’t even think was necessary) is just promoting the pro-choice Democrat, which COSTS LIVES AND COURT JUSTICES AND THE ENTIRE CONSERVATIVE AGENDA.

            Unless you find him with a dead girl or a live boy, or some similar felony, you had best start supporting the Republican nominee. IF YOU DON’T LIKE HIM, VOTE FOR CLAIRE AND GET OFF THIS WEBSITE.

          • acat

            you may be on the wrong web page.

            Just sayin’

            Mew

          • texasref

            says the concern troll jamesm

          • jamesm

            you comment-otherwise you appear uninformed and accuse a supporter of Akin as being a “concern troll” Why are you calling Acat weird?

          • texasref

            I don’t care who you support. If Akin, great, but with friends like you, he doesn’t really need enemies. “Akin

          • jamesm

            Get off my bridge..Rhinestone cowboy

          • texasref

            EH?

  • reclaimit

    I do not claim to have misspoken. My point is simply that he doesn’t have to go, no matter how much Rachel Maddow and the other women’s equality crowd screams, the voters will ultimately decide, and I don’t think the polls will move much on Akin’s comments.

    Personally, I think the GOP has a good thing going here, and if they can keep focused on unemployment, it can be a very good year. What we don’t need is the Tea Party candidates straying too far from job numbers in interviews. Many of them are not professional politicians and haven’t learned that what sounds reasonable at the dinner table doesn’t necessarily come across too well on television.

    • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

      You probably are right, you may be wrong. I surely know the bed-wetter types demanding Akin withdraw are in ‘shoot first ask questions later’. But … Just as “macaca” cost us a Senate seat in 2006, one bad statement, even if apologized for, can cripple a campaign. And since this highlights a very pro-life position, one can imagine McCCaskill will harp on it if it helps her.

      What I hope the MO-GOP and Akin campaign does is quickly survey / poll the response and get ahead of the curve here.

      • sagettaurus

        I imagine public policy polling will come out with a poll within the next few days that shows Akin down at least 25.

        • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

          US SENATE

        • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

          He makes a reasonable argument that a comment like this can move polls by about 10 points – there goes the Akin lead and then some:

          http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/19/akin-comments-could-swing-missouri-senate-race/

          Some conservative activists have joined the ‘dump him’ movement:

          http://2012.talkingpointsmemo.com/2012/08/conservatives-akin-quit-legitimate-rape.php

          Ruffini makes a good point:
          “@moelane The thing is that even if it’s an overreaction, it’s not like Akin is a great asset”

          What makes me join the bedwetter movement is this:
          1. I gave on legitimate, quick, easy transition – from the top vote getter in the primary to the #2 vote-getter.
          THAT MAN IS JOHN BRUNNER.
          http://brianekoenig.com/2012/08/missouri-senate-primary-results-todd-akin-wins-brunner-second/e
          2. We ALREADY know from polling that Brunner polled better than Akin before the primary, to such an extent that McCaskill ran ads to ‘help’ Akin in the primary, painting him as an arch-conservative. It worked!
          If Brunner stepped in by Tuesday, then by next Sunday this would be back to “leans R” race. Steelman would work as well.
          3. The correct comparision is not “COD” by Sharron Angle who also had “gaffe” problems. She lost in a race that a better candidate could win. If Akin is that, this is not his last gaffe – he may lose anyway thanks to a campaign that cant cut it. bedwetting?
          4. Nate Silver’s analysis is convincing. There is no way it wont hurt and with the ‘distancing dance’ being played it poisons the well for a well-oiled machine in Missouri. this may impact other races. Same take here:
          http://decoded.nationaljournal.com/2012/08/is-todd-akin-toast-in-missouri.php

          Bottom line: We can do better than Akin in this Senate race. I am all for the stiff upper lip on Akin’s boneheaded remark if he stays in, but this reminds me of JFK’s(?) comment “Sometimes the party asks too much of you.”
          Akin should make others pay for his mistake. He should work out a clean, fast, replacement strategy pronto.

          • acat

            Hey, you described your side, bro.

            Mew

          • jamesm

            Totally irresponsible on his part to move MO to lean Dem.

          • texasref

            Might as well start a diary on how we should all write-in Newt in the general. At least you’d be consistent then. Or maybe Ron Paul as long as you’re talking goofy.

      • acat

        Being VERY pro-life in Missouri isn’t a liability.

        I have a couple aquaintances near Joplin who had a problem with how liberal McCain was….

        Mew

  • prof_jay

    Congressman Akin is a good man and I have supported and voted for him every chance I have gotten. However his position, of his own making, has become untenable. Even now the relevant individuals in the state party are calling and telling him that he should step down. If he refuses to step down then we need to do what we can to get him re-elected. However, if, as I hope, he steps down then we need to make sure that a good individual is found to run in his place.

    The quick list of names would have to include people like, Senator Talent, Congresswomen Emerson, Mr. Bruner, and Mrs. Steeleman. Although we could debate the merits of at least some of these people, this is an occasion to shoot high. I think we could do no better than to aim high and nominate Catherine Hanaway. Catherine Hanaway is a strong conservative who enjoys wide spread support. She was elected speaker of the Missouri house, she was the U.S Attorney for the Eastern District of Missouri, she is on the Republican National Committee (I know not always a good thin) and she would be strongly supported by Senator Blunt, Senator Bond, and Senator Ashcroft.

    Todd Akin has lost this race. Let’s nominate a conservative we can be proud of who would not only beat Senator McCaskill but would also help the national and state races.

    • earlgrey

      to get momentum for a guy that has such an ego he is wiling to go against almost the whole party.

      • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

        PPP poll shows the race a dead heat, Akin down 10 points from last week where he had a 11 point lead …. also Akin is 24/58 UNfavorable:

        “All of that is taking a toll on Akin’s image. Only 24% of voters have a favorable opinion of him to 58% with a negative one”

        So his ego will tell him to stay in, since he’s not down 20 potns YET, but he’s only barely making it because McCaskill is so unpopular too.

        But he wont have the campaign to win:
        “But support for Akin remaining in the race has collapsed in the past 12 hours, with sources saying the NRSC is planning to pull the $5 million in TV ad reservations it has in the state if Akin stays in the race.”
        http://atr.rollcall.com/missouri-what-happens-if-akin-drops-out/

        The unselfish and right thing to do would be to drop out.

        • retrocon87

          We all wanted the idiot to drop out, and threatening to pull his funding was a way to compel him to do it. Now that he’s staying in, if somehow this blows over since it’s one gaffe and still 3 months before the election, if everyone continues to hate McCaskill (which I’m pretty sure they will) and the polls winding up showing it as still possibly winnable because of it being a lean-red state and McCaskill being as awful as she is, maybe killing his funding was just a bluff?? Out of pure ego he essentially told the entire party (including our presidential nominee) to shove it and frankly for that reason alone I absolutely can’t stand this man and under ordinary circumstances would love nothing more than to see him out of politics forever, but does that therefore mean letting him lose if it winds up still being a winnable seat and we essentially just need any Republican (albeit someone we hate) to win the seat?

          • acat

            I’d wash my paws of it, but .. not lickin’ anything involving Huck.

            Mew

  • chipbennett

    …who are commenting here, saying that Akin “can’t win now”, are actually Missouri residents, or have any clue about the political landscape here in Missouri?

    If this had happened 2 weeks before the election, and if Akin had a 5-point lead over McCaskill, then sure: this could adversely impact the election.

    But that’s not the landscape. It’s August. Akin has a 10-point lead. And McCaskill is profoundly unpopular, due to being an Obama lapdog, due to her voting record, and due to her ethics scandals. The feminists and other leftists will attempt to make political hay over Akin’s profoundly stupid comments, but this gaffe alone will not be sufficient to allow McCaskill to overtake him.

    The only thing that worries me are the rumors that the establishment is cutting ties (and therefore, funding) with Akin. If he can’t compete with McCaskill in messaging, then she can, and very likely will, win.

    The other thing to keep in mind is that if Akin withdraws, the state GOP committee will select his replacement. In that scenario, it isn’t names like John Bruner or Sarah Steelman (Akin’s only serious primary opponents, and both having solid conservative cred) that are being floated right now as his replacement. Instead, we’re hearing names like Talent, Bond, Ashcroft, Schweich, and Wagner.

    • Xasteius

      no text

      • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

        Arrrrg. How DARE the Mo GOP ignore the primary candidates who have campaigns, ran races, put themselves forward to the real voters, and got – in Brunner’s case – 30% of the votes, almost as much as Akin. Non-candidates are non-starters.
        Demanding the Mo GOP pick a primary runner up is the only fair, clean, clear answer without secondguessing and insider BS.

        “The only thing that worries me are the rumors that the establishment is cutting ties (and therefore, funding) with Akin. If he can

        • Xasteius

          Emerson is a quieter version of McCain minus the war record.

          • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

            They voted for a conservative. The MO GOP should pick a conservative.

    • exitsfunnel

      Last night I was of the opinion that as dumb as this was, it didn’t rise to the level that would require him to withdrawal from the race. But that was before the establishment all bailed on him. He can’t win now. If he stays in, McCaskill is going to win in November. In my opinion that’s pretty obvious.

      -exits

  • Uma Richie

    The situation where Democrats get a pass for saying stupid things and Republicans are forced to end their careers over saying stupid things is completely unfair, as we all know.

    While the story is hot and all the media are trained on him, Akin might as well hold a live press conference for bowing out and demand that the authors of other stupid phrases relating to life and death issues also step down.

    For example, Whoopi “rape rape” Goldberg needs to stay off television for her comments defending pedophile Roman Polanski.

    Science Czar John Holdren needs to be forced out of the White House for his published words in favor of forced abortions and sterilization.

    Barack Obama needs to resign for the words “limp and dead,” “punished with a baby,” and “above my paygrade.”

    And as gatewaypundit points out, McCaskill herself said “

    • checkmate2012

      Romney’s and Ryan’s past comments and showed many examples of Reps saying no exception to rape & incest. Trust me, Maddow is not my source but lurked and it was pretty damning, darn it.

      Examples back to the ’80′s at least that were ditto to Akin’s comments. Again, I don’t support what Akin said- always have to provide the small print, but now that this is a story in the MSM, we need to combat it with what Uma and others, me too about Clinton like Jack Savage also said, with full force.

      Yesterday, Bill Gates said this (sorry I don’t know how to put the hyperlink insert): http://www.wnd.com/2012/08/bill-gates-world-needs-fewer-people/

      And this article http://atgsociety.com/2010/03/bill-gates-our-planet-needs-less-people/

      Enter Bill gates and population in a search and you’ll find many articles and also on Cass Sunstein: http://blog.heritage.org/2009/09/11/good-czar-bad-czar-cass-sunstein-and-the-future-of-oira/

      I could go on but Uma is right. If he goes down, take the left with him- nice comment Uma!

  • tacotuesdays

    Are you nuts? Do you know that we’re just one seat away from being able to take over the Senate? If Akin drops out where does that leave us with a little over 2 months until the elections. Gaffe disappear, but the chance to give Mitt Romney a Senate majority may only come this once.

    Ignore the gaffe and it’ll go away.

  • TJP

    Some 2-3 pregnancies result per thousand forcible rapes. Of the women who -do- get pregnant as a result of forcible rape, some 1/4 abort, compared to the 22% who abort outside of forcible rape, leading one to conclude that rape does not significantly change women’s views on whether the baby should die.

    Now, I realize what Akin said was very undiplomatic, and is costing him in the polls short-term, but he was already up 10% on McCaskill and continuing to increase that margin, and long-term this will probably only affect the polls by a few percent. Todd is still a strong fiscal conservative and McCaskill is still someone who rubber-stamps Obama and avoided paying taxes. We just need to be brave enough to look past this.

    • wintermute

      the sources im reading contradict your numbers so im interested. and if your sources are merely statistics, that does not mean the numbers back him up, only that there is a correlation between rape and lack of pregnancy.

    • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

      He was right on the facts but his explanation for it was laughably stupid. He’s not quite all there, but at least he’s not a rubber stamp for socialism like McCaskill, so he must be carried to the finish line.

      • tnfriendofcoal101368

        and she has never been right about anything…

  • halger

    So he’s not the guy to pick as gynecologist but that’s not the job he’s running for.
    He’s great and steadfast on issues.

  • thethinman

    You ALL are letting the Abortionists turn the topic that should be the number one item on every ones list to something that is so trivial as to be stupid. IT’s the ECONOMY stupid! How one man or woman feels about rape or abortion has not one thing to do with running the country. the stupidity of the whole conversation was to let it go down this path to start with. LET’s talk about what to do about pushing the economy – and NOT government jobs that create no wealth.

    Romney, Ryan and even Akin need to stay on topic of the Economy and Obama’s determination that ALL jobs be Government Union jobs that do nothing but suck down taxpayer dollars. The return on teacher investment is so poor that we have college graduates working in burger joints or mowing lawns, picking up trash – for that we need more UNION teachers? If they were educating students and not indoctrinating them to accept slavery to the government – we might be getting somewhere. DO something about the cost of skyrocketing energy costs so that manufacturing can return. do something about the overburdening paperwork of regulations and the stupidity of telling a company who they MUST hire or not hire. Quit FORCING people and business to do things. I’m sick and tired of ADA, I’m sick and tired of having to search for a parking spot while there are six rows of handicapped parking with no one there or cars that do not have legitimate handicapped people in them. Let the business figure out if they want handicapped peoples business – it’s their loss if they fail to figure it out how to bring them in – we don’t need the government telling us what we must do. We don’t need the government or their Affirmative action – if a person owns a business and they want to hire only women – that’s their business – if they want to hire only white men – that’s their business – if they want to hire only black men and women – that’s their business. there is entirely too much government intrusion on our personal and public life. the Federal Government needs to take care of Defending the Country against ALL enemies, foreign and domestic and create a climate where business can be done. They need to quit being social engineers and get out of the public schools. The Federal Government was created to look out for the welfare of the Nation among all the nations of the world – not meddle in peoples lives – that’s why we are a Constitutional Republic and NOT a Socialist Democracy as the Soviet Union was and now Russia and Communist China are.

    • JSobieski

      Nor is the ADA. You urge focus, and then you pull an Akins yourself.

      P.S. I am actually sympathetic to scaling back how the 1964 CIvil Rights Act is applied, and took quite a bit of slack on these pages for defending both Rand Paul and Barry Goldwater on that issue.

  • Seedyrom

    and his clan will damage this guy worse than Christine O’Donnell suffered. Can MO pols switch to the GOP ticket if run and win as Ind?
    Regardless an Ind. could caucus with the GOP.

    • 6eorge Jetson

      No matter what, Akin is going to have some die-hard support. He’s not going to pull zero at the polls.

      I hope he gets out.

      IMO, Akin’s unintentional but unspoken message was worse than his words. Like Hillary Clinton with her baking cookies comment, you never want to disparage a sympathetic group by implication. Rape, what’s the big deal?

      Ramesh Ponnuru says it well

      …(Akin) managed, however, to add more toxic ingredients to the mix. He claimed, glibly, that women

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  • http://www.neoavatara.com/blog neoavatara

    Someone explain to me how Akin staying on the ticket benefits the cause of the GOP, Pro-Lifers, on any conservative belief…when there are other candidates that would do much the same, and clearly would not have the liability that Akin now has?

    The only reason would be is if there were no other reasonable conservatives available…and we know that is not the case.

    Akin will be a drag on ticket from top to bottom…that is the reality. This clip will be played from now until election day, and maybe not just in Missouri.

    Akin has to go…for many, many reasons.

  • pdawk

    His race is now solely defined by something he said that was so inherently stupid that the issues will have almost no relevance. People look to basic competency before they look to the issues. He must withdraw.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    First of all – it is HIGHLY suspicious of you to write a hit piece on Akin and then NOT include his apology and explanation for this flub. You need to update and add it PRONTO.

    Second … Dumping politicians post-primary is a ticket to further disaster… I’ll give you the example of 2004 Senate race in Illinois. Apparently, The Obama Camp were able to get unseled court docs showing both his Democrat opponent and then his GOP opponent had ‘interesting’ statements in divorce records. Or for that matter, the disaster in Colorado in 2010.

    Third, it will greatly benefit the prolife cause when he wins, because it will debunk the idea that being prolife is too ‘extreme’.

    If hie stay in, you have only one choice: Stand behind the nominee.

    Yeah, it would have been nice to have Brunner as the nominee, and if Akin finds in his heart to withdraw that’s one thing. But calling him “COD” and attacking him without acknolwedging his apology or anything like that is a bit on the ‘moby’ side.

  • hoyasaxa

    With a major assist from McCaskill’s ads touting him as the true conservative in the race because she wanted to run against him in the general election. Also Harry Reid’s SuperPAC slammed Brunner.

    As for your point about dumping candidate’s post primary being a disaster, it is sometimes except for when it isn’t. In 2002 Torricelli was going to lose to Doug Forrester, so he dropped out about a month before the election, after the deadline passed for him to be allowed to be legally replaced. That trivial detail didn’t trouble the NJ Supreme Court, which allowed Lautenberg on the ballot, or the voters of the state of NJ, who sent old man Lautenberg to the Senate.

  • civil truth

    This thread illustrates the bad instincts of many Republicans

    A candidate makes a mistake that we know is going to get bad press and we immediately want to toss the person overboard, as thought this will help us with the press or in the next election. Wrong.

    Yes, the statement was indefensible. But yes, Mr. Akin has apologized as having misspoken.

    So the reasonable thing to do – which is what Democrats do all the time in similar circumstance – is to go on and shift the discussion to other things, saying that there’s nothing more to discuss, the candidate has apologized, it’s time to move on to important issues…

    Let’s at this point maintain support for the nominee in fairness to the voters and see how things pan out over the next week of two. I expect Mr. Akin is a reasonable person, and should his numbers irretrievably crater, I’d expect that he’d withdraw.

    But if we Republicans keep the pot boiling, then that surely will worsen the damage. There’s nothing the press likes better than a covering a circular firing squad.

    And also be careful of what you wish for – and perhaps a Missouri expect can answer – as to what the replacement process is. But if it’s party leaders who would pick the replacement, I am rather sure that we’re not going to like who they pick.

    Let’s support our wounded for a reasonable period rather than shooting them at first blood.

  • acat

    Akin won the primary. Replacing him in a smoke-filled backroom deal is going to throw away all the campaigning Akin has done from the primary to now, as well as the momentum he has.

    I’d suggest that the “throw him overboard!” crowd need to grow some patience and see whether the polling of likely voters shows this to be a problem.

    The urge to “Do Something!” oft overwhelms the need to understand, and then do the Right thing.

    Mew

  • hoyasaxa

    Is unless I’ve read the applicable Missouri law wrong – http://www.sos.mo.gov/elections/laws/ch_115_pgs_3-152.pdf (see: sections 115.359 and 115.363) – then Akin has until this Tuesday to either drop out or stay on the ballot through election day.

  • Bill S

    .

  • smagar

    Akin deserves a week or two to fix the problem he created for himself.

  • acat

    Do you want ‘em to bring back Brunner, or someone else?

    Mew

    p.s. citing a clear legal violation in a rather corrupt Blue state isn’t really a good conservative approach to argument.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Acat’s comments are pointing out that what the NJ Dems did was illegal. The NJ kangaroo supremes just waived away rule of law in the interest of ‘the people’. Real courts have gone the other way.

    We in the GOP cant get away with it. Tuesday or bust!

    “refuted Freedoms Truth

  • hoyasaxa

    I don’t know nearly enough about Missouri politics to have a preferred replacement. Does Talent live in the state anymore?

    And while the circumstances of the Torricelli/Lautenberg ballot switch were suspect, the fact that Lautenberg went on to win refuted Freedoms Truth’s point that dumping a candidate after a primary win is a ticket to further disaster.

  • prof_jay

    She would be awesome!

  • acat

    At least he’s on the ground.

    You are just fear-mongering.

    Mew

  • edintexas

    The Democrats could have nominated Ho Chi Minh that year and won in New Jersey. “Joisey” is hardly a good example. As you point out, outright violation of the law didn’t bother NJ voters one bit.

  • acat

    I’d suggest, as you aren’t even in the State, that you quit running in circles and wait and see what happens.

    Mew

  • mikeymike143

    some of these anti akin posters sound like followers of that low class dirtbag ron paul to me. they have the same refusal to accept reality.

    akin is the republican nominee. thats reality. so all these posts are really doing is helping mccaaskill. thats also reality.

  • emptybucket

    guess you would feel Akin must go. There are many who will look at his entire record and see if “their” most important issue is in line with where he is. I agree with those above who counsel you to re-think things.

    I do not agree with his imformation and am now inclined to go find some statistics for myself.

    My bottom line is that American’s have gotten away from giving up babies for adoption. The waiting list to adopt an infant are long which is why many seem to be going overseas. What does that say about us as a nation?

  • hoyasaxa

    Is often times you don’t physically need to be in the state to be able to read things about that state. One of the things you can read about on the Internet, for example, is a state’s laws.

    I posted a web address to a PDF in the post you responded to that details replacement procedures for a variety of situations, and from the best of my readings it seems like Akin has until Tuesday (11 Tuesdays before Election Day) to pull the plug. Any time after that will likely involve litigation (unless I’m reading the law wrong), which could end up being messy and unsuccessful.

  • emptybucket

    Candidates. Can you tell me if Congressman Yoder ran with Tea Party support? Thanks. Not looking to talk against him, am discouraged that the Dems now have more garbage to throw around involving Republicans.

  • acat

    and having watched previous ballot challenges is that I know it’s more about how fast they can turn it around – the print shop guys I know work around the clock starting about 2 months out – so it’s more like 8 Tuesdays leaving plenty of time for a challenge.

    Mew

  • hoyasaxa

    A “clear legal violation”… now you’re defending candidate changes after the statutory deadline based on ballot printing feasibility, which was the NJ Dems’ argument about why they should get to ignore the statute during the Torricelli/Lautenberg affair.

    You can’t have it both ways.

  • acat

    Condeming you for asserting that the Lautenberg debacle is a good example. Tell me, do you also like the Stuart Smalley method of vote-counting?

    I don’t think Akin needs to go at this time. Your whining and fear-mongering does not impress. Should the State GOP decide, it won’t be by Tuesday.

    Mew

  • mikeymike143

    he is definately NOT considered a ”tea partier”.

    but he was a ”shoo-in” to win both the primmary and general so i am sure he picked up some tea party support based on that fact alone.

    dont know if my answer made sense so i will try to word it a different way. richard mourdock is a tea partier and had loads of tea party support against lugar. scott brown is not a tea partier but yet he has some tea party support in his race against warren.

    yoder is kind of like brown. not a tea partier but gets some tea party support because he is a republican.

  • hoyasaxa

    Why was the Torricelli/Lautenberg switch a ‘debacle’? The Dems won the race, and Lautenberg was reelected in 2008, so there wasn’t any lasting damage to him or the party on account of the switch.

    Why did you say it was a ‘clear legal violation’? If you’re opposed to violating a statute to get Torricelli off the ballot, wouldn’t it follow that you would be opposed to violating a statute to get Akin off the ballot?

    This is a decision that needs to be made in the next 40 hours or else we enter murky territory legally.

  • acat

    And Akin should resist out of state calls to drop out.

    Mew

  • texasref

    and I appreciate that he apologized for phrasing it in an unfortunate way.

    He is the Republican nominee.

    I support him for Senate against the Democrat.

    We need more diehard pro-lifers in the Senate, not more diehard pro-deathers.

    By legitimate, he obviously meant a rape that was actually a rape and not a “I’m gonna say it was rape so that I can get an abortion” rape.

    The man said that doctors told him there are biological defenses against pregnancy in the case of rape. It makes sense to me. What is with all the political correctness? I thought only Democrats did that bullcrap.

    OH MY GOD A CANDIDATE IS PRO-LIFE.

    Good!

    Go Akin Go!

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    One of the great things about being prolife is you get to lecture supposed ‘pro-science’ liberals on basic biology and tell them off for being ignrant yahoos who dont even know that a fetus is a living human being (you know, like the way a catepillar is just an earlystage butterfly). And maybe educate them a little to learn to appreciate human life inclduing unborn human life.

    But then morons step all over that biological soundness with medical ignorance:

    “The man said that doctors told him there are biological defenses against pregnancy in the case of rape. It makes sense to me. ”

    Why does it make sense to you? Are you a doctor? It’s not true. It’s nonsense. Ignorant and insensitive nonsense, because it insultingly implies that a woman who got pregnant from rape maybe wasnt really raped. Hell hath no fury like a woman told something like that.

    This man Akin is not a doctor. Turns out he’s got some divinity degree… oh boy. So now we will get leftists yelling about how moronically stupid Republicans are for believing stuff that isnt true.

    That doesnt help win prolife converts.

    “Go Akin Go!”

    I’m starting to agree with that, but in an entirely different way.

  • califgal

    things, but if this candidate is so sure of his source, he should name that source. I am supposing he heard it spoken by some quack.

    The stress hormone cortisol has been known to do many things, but I’ve never heard of this.

    I’d love for him to pull out of his own accord. This will be something that the Dems will use nationally to paint anti-abortion candidates as either crazy or scientifically ignorant.

    I keep thinking—of all the bright people in our country, how in the hell do Americans keep electing idiots to both parties.

  • texasref

    I don’t need to be ANYTHING to have something make sense to me, let alone a doctor. If you want to call someone a liar and drag a good pro-life Republican U.S. Senate nominee into the mud, go right ahead, but at least back it up with some proof that there is absolutely nothing to what he had heard. And shame on you for shaming the man for relating what a medical professional told him, which he so qualified. I repeat it third hand and you give me the business like I’m claiming this for myself. You don’t need to be a lawyer to read the law. You don’t need to be a doctor to express an opinion on the issue of pregnancy, or life, or to comment on another person’s relating of what an expert related to him.

    If only the Democrats would be so willing to throw people under the bus as you are.

  • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

    I don’t think it will make or break the election.

    Simply because it happened very far in advance of the election, and there is also the hope that Romney-Ryan will have coattails.

    It does mean, however, we will have to spend more in that race than we needed to.

    He really should step down because he is stupid.

  • acat

    Not entirely seeing your point.

    If we were talking about a blue or purple state, maybe, but .. Missouri?

    I don’t think this hurts Akin – especially if he can refine his walk-back and assert some strong-family-values – near as much as y’all think.

    Mew

    p.s. I voted for that carpetbagger .. one reason I’m encouraging a wait-and-see … I think Jim Ryan could have just held up a picture of Jeri in her 7-of-9 costume and said “C’mon!”.

  • PowerToThePeople

    Have some family there in Patton, outside of Springfield.

  • Filibuster Keaton

    Jim Ryan and Jack Ryan are completely different candidates.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    … Alan Keyes! :-) (GOP primary vote)

    1. on NJ Dems: I thought your point was Dems did something illegal when they replaced Torricelli. MY point is we GOPers cant play that way, so the comparison is inoperative for us. WE play by the rules – or lose.

    2. “Ryan could have just held up a picture of Jeri in her 7-of-9 costume and said

  • texasref

    is more appreciated by future babies in America than the wisest pro-choice candidate.

    And then there are the idiotic pro-choice candidates. Of which #1 and #2 are leading our country into ruin as we speak. Odumba and Bidummeren

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    Instead of flying off the handle because I came down so hard, consider this – there is one test that matters:

    Is it the truth?

    Have you even checked out whether his claim is valid?

    “If you want to call someone a liar ”
    I didnt do that. I called his statement ‘medical ignorance’. As a guy with a divinity degree, he’s a guy I can trust more for his honesty than I can trust his medical knowledge.

    “I repeat it third hand …”
    without knowing whether it is true or not?

    “And shame on you for shaming the man for relating what a medical professional told him”
    I’ve been told a lot of things that arent true and/or shouldnt be shared in public. lesson: dont repeat stuff you havent checked out, especially in a public interview.

    I’m sorry if I came across harsh but Akin dug himself a hole and you seem to want to dig in deeper. What he said is simply not correct.

    Before you lay into me, there is a long line of people shaming him already on facebook, you may want to have a word with them.

  • acat

    I have some acquaintances near Springfield.

    The “carpetbagger” F.T. was talking about was Alan Keyes, who ran against Barack Obama for Senator in 2004 … in Illinois.

    Mew

  • acat

    Alan Keyes *did not run* in the 2004 Illinois GOP primary. The only way you could have voted for him was in the general.

    1) We agree that the NJ Dems are not a good example for us to follow here. For one thing, the MO Dems won’t take this lying down the way the NJ GOP did.

    2) Again, Keyes was not in the primary – Rauschenberger or Oberweis would have made better candidates than Keyes… and were both just as “in the wings” as Brunner. The problem in IL-2004 was named Judy Barr-Topinka .. and by throwing MO-2012 to the MO GOP, you risk *exactly* the same thing!

    3) Let’s wait for some actual polling, then.

    Mew

  • GregInFla

    Is that the standard now? If the case against abortion is that the unborn child is indeed a human life, then killing the innocent baby after a rape is wrong. Punishing the innocent is just plain wrong.

    * Barack Obama

  • acat

    Apologies to Freedoms Truth, I plead insufficient coffee.

    Mew

  • adamcc

    facts do not matter to acat.
    It is the QUIBBLE that matters.

  • westcoastpatriette

    sorry to butt in but, just noticed the discrepancy. :)

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    Jack Ryan ’06 is the exact reason folks yelling for Romney to release his taxes are off base. Axelrod and his merry band of thugs took the details of a sealed divorce custody agreement and made Ryan look like a bad guy; you know that guy who made a couple of hundred million dollars at Goldman Sachs by his 40′s then retired and decided to teach at an inner city school instead of just living on his millions. This is the way President Hope and Change runs his elections when he is behind.

  • acat

    Enjoy your time in the sun.

    Mew

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    nt

  • Bill S

    Banned. Check.

  • westcoastpatriette

    she can’t seem to stop her obsession to follow you around.

  • acat

    Mew

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    GOP primary. Throwaway vote for a ‘clean and articulate’ (as Biden would put it) uber-conservative as McCain had it wrapped up.

    I watched 2004 Illinois from afar … in amazement and horror.

    My point of comparison on Akin is that if they do replace, they are lucky to have 2 good runnerup candidates. Going outside those 2 is asking for big heap o’ trouble IMHO. And you’re right – Oberweis would have been much better of course. idiotic not to give it to him in 2004.

    “problem in IL-2004 was named Judy Barr-Topinka .. and by throwing MO-2012 to the MO GOP, you risk *exactly* the same thing!”

    One hopes not.

  • texasref

    that a solid conservative like Rep. Akin step down and hand the election to a liberal Democrat for 6 more years.

  • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

    “It does mean, however, we will have to spend more in that race than we needed to.”

    That wont happen.

    The Dems are licking their chops to tie every other race to Akin, and so all the PACs will be staying away from that race. Which means Akin will lose.

    The only silver lining is the PACs will save money for other faces. Remember – this guy was endorsed by Huckabee, who also endorsed Dewhurst in Texas.

  • jamesm

    Stepping down does not “hand the election to a liberal”. On the contrary it would help at this point to get control of the Senate instead of Harry Reid running things.

  • PowerToThePeople

    I guess I was having a brain fart last night. My mind does not work as well at night and I plain forgot you lived in Illinois. We talked about Cerro Gordo IL in the past where my mom was born and raised.

    For a few minutes last night, I thought all my cat hunting in IL was in vain. Was about to pack up and move the hunts to MO. :)

  • GregInFla

    Just saying, William Jefferson Clinton. And he’ll introduce the guy who thought the babies could still be killed after surviving the first killing attempt (abortion).

  • David123

    stating that a person born in abortion clinics doesn’t have rights. You’d think a “Constitutional Scholar” would realize that.

    ” ALL persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States …”