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A quick observation re: hate crimes legislation

I heard a news report today Attorney General Erick Holter said that the tragic shooting in the Holocost Museum proves the need for hate crimes legislation.

Either these people are monumentally stupid, or I’m missing something here.  We’re talking about a lifelong bigot deciding to commit suicide-by-cop in the most conspicuous place possible.  Do people think that someone in that state of mind is going to stop and say, “Golly, I’d better not do that, it would be a hate crime!”

Of course, this kind of thinking can only be expected when discussing something that’s called “the Mathew Shepard law”; the morons who murdered Shepard were spared the death sentance only at the request of the because the victims family; apparently the death penalty isn’t quite enough of a deterrent, so they literally want a “fate worse than death”.

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  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    Are these bills adding “hate crime” as an enhancement to exisiting criminal violations, or are they creating “hate crime” as a separate de novo crime category that does not require commission of an existing crime?

    • Next93

      These bills don’t create new classes of crimes, instead they add time to a sentence for an existing crime. As part of the sentencing phase, the court has to determine the state of mind at the time the crime was committed, but it can use any historical data to do it (“have you ever uttered a racial slur? have you ever donated money to the Republican party?”). If so, then an extra 10 years (I beleive) is added to the sentence.

      So, under this law, I’m guessing that the Shepard murderers would have had to be executed twice. Either that, or they’d have to be raped and THEN executed.

      Seriously, it has the effect of creating a super-protected class – assault with deadly force is still a crime if your victim is in the same racial group as you, but it’s apparently not as serious as it would be if you crossed racial lines. And during that last 10 years you spend in prison, you’re effectively a political prisoner.

      • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

        That they are not (yet) creating a new crime is some relief, in that creating a new crime would bring us to the threshold of Orwell’s “thought-crime”.

        As enhancement, “hate crime” has some parallel in existing statues. For instance in murder/homicide cases, the assessment of the state of mind (malice, premeditation) has a substantial effect on whether the perpetrator is charged with homicide vs. murder, and what degree of murder.

        **That said, the “hate crime” category does put us upon a slippery slope with multiple troubling aspects. And I personally do not think we should set upon this path of creating “hate crimes”.**

        Some of these troubling aspects include:

        1) unequal protection – only certain favored classes of people are protected and people are protected only because they are considered to belong to a privileged protected class, which may or may not be evident to the perpetrator at the time of the crime. The fact that we treat people as parts of groups rather than as individuals, and that we afford special privilege by virtue of that membership is not a good direction for our society to be heading – except for those who want to perpetuate group conflicts.

        2) unequal treatment of identical behavior – the same behavior gains different treatment depending on whether the victim is a protected class (gender, race) or a non-protected class (veteran) even though the thought-processes are indistiguishable

        3) Difficulty in defining hate – since many crimes are motivated or aggravated by hate that could arrise from multiple reasons, it would take a mind-reader to determine at what point the perpetrator’s mental status crosses the forbidden line (and when).

        4) difficulty of objectively assessing perpetrators state-of-mind at time of crime. This has to do with whether a a) there is a threshold action at the time of the crime required to invoke “hate crime” and b) whether premeditation is required. I would think both thresholds need to be present; otherwise we’re creating a crime after-the-fact.

        And indeed, if we stick to these two thresholds in (4), we probably can enhance crimes under present statutes without needing to create a new enhancement. Especially since most incidences of what we would call “hate crimes” involve a group of perpetrators – where conspiracy and lynch laws would become applicable.

        Where the slippery slope comes into play is when 1) the race, gender, etc. of the victim immediately becomes ground to investigage “hate crime” and to start a fishing expedition in the perpetrators past history ; 2) the victim’s past history by it’s existence becomes grounds for guilt without connecting said history to the crime at hand.

        That the suspect wrote some inflammatory comments in the past or attended a Klan rally years prior should not be admissable or presumptive that the crime was motivated as a “hate crime” without some contemporary evidence, which comes back to my two thesholds above. (And for that matter, verbal insults in the heat of the crime should not be presumptive evidence of a hate crime.)

        In other words, the danger is in creating an enhancement where the normal laws of evidence are reversed and the perpetrator has the burden of proof to prove that this does not apply.

        Or even worse, that the law is moving from objective criteria of guilt (actions, physical evidence) to the subjective morass of evaluating thoughts and intuiting state of mind.

        Also “hate crime” is rife with the potential for prosecutorial abuse and, as you mention, a method of punishing perpetrators for political opinions – or for enhancing the reelection campaign of the local DA.

  • http://www.RedState.com/ETCartman Kenny Solomon

    Trampling on The First Amendment is basically what it does in the name of political correctness and some twisted Dr. Spock never worry a child mindset.

    This legislation is long thought to be constructed and being set in motion to placate “those who have been oppressed” by the evil Boooooosh and all white people for time-immortal.

    Wouldn’t be able to say “boo” to any so-called “minority”, even though all men are created equal.

    But under this legislation, if somebody called me a redneck cracker Jew-boy who wants to destroy radical Islam and documented a threat to set off a bomb in my home, I would have no recourse……… well, of course I would have some recourse, but civilian open-carry of an AR-15 is currently kinda sorta maybe frowned upon. ;)