That is, if HR2647 passes. This bill originally passed the House without the Hate Crimes legislation included, but it was added as an amendment in the Senate. The text of the legislation gives the Attorney General, currently Eric H. Holder, Jr., the right to determine if a group is “associated with hate-related violence against groups or persons or the United States Government”. From the legislative text,
(2) DEFINITION OF HATE GROUP.—In this subsection, the terms ‘group associated with hate-related violence’ or ‘hate group’ mean the following:
(A) Groups or organizations that espouse or engage in acts of violence against other groups or minorities based on ideals of hate, ethnic supremacies, white supremacies, racism, anti-Semitism, xenophobia, or other bigotry ideologies. [emphasis mine]
It gets worse as we go:
(G) Other groups or organizations that are determined by the Attorney General to be of a violent, extremist nature. [emphasis mine]
If you think Tea Party activists and bloggers are safe from this legislation, think again.
(3) EVIDENCE OF ASSOCIATION OR AFFILATION WITH HATE GROUP.—The following shall constitute evidence that a person is associated or affiliated with a group associated with hate-related violence:
(A) Individuals possessing tattoos or other body markings indicating association or affiliation with a hate group.
(B) Individuals known to have attended meetings, rallies, conferences, or other activities sponsored by a hate group.
(C) Individuals known to be involved in online activities with a hate group, including being engaged in online discussion groups or blog or other postings that support, encourage, or affirm the group’s extremist or violent views and goals.
(D) Individuals who are known to have in their possession photographs, written testimonials (including diaries or journals), propaganda, or other materials indicating involvement or affiliation with a hate group. Such materials can include photographs, written materials relating to or referring to extreme hatred that are clearly not of an academic nature, possession of objects that venerate or glorify hateinspired violence, and related materials, as determined by the Attorney General. [emphasis mine]
Congress has decided to give the Administration the ability to silence its critics. All that needs to be done is to have the Attorney General define their organization as a hate group. It’s clear that Obama plans to attack his critics. This legislation would appear to be a violation of due process, but with Obama stacking the courts with his appointees, I wouldn’t be surprised if they ruled otherwise.
As if the legislation itself weren’t bad enough, the Congress, in cowardly fashion, has attached it to an urgently needed military spending bill in an effort to force Republicans to vote for it. Once again the progressives in Congress are attempting to sneak something in through the back door. Mike Coffman (R, CO-06) had this to say,
I voted against the NDAA final conference report because of the Democrats’ decision to attach a completely unrelated measure to our defense funding bill. The Senate-passed version of the “Hate Crimes” legislation placed in the final conference report will have chilling effects on religious freedoms and free speech. I strongly oppose including the measure in a bill that is designed to provide resources for our soldiers whose job it is to protect the very freedoms this provision will erode.
The 111th Congress is giving this Administration more and more power. Unless their intent is to create a North American Hugo Chavez, they should reconsider their current strategy. If they don’t, they could end up being even less significant than they currently are. The 912 Project has more on this important legislation.
Crossposted at Night Twister
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This is getting bad.....
larueladue Friday, October 9th at 10:13AM EDT (link)It’s like a nightmare that you cannot wake up from. This presidency (and perhaps Congressional session) will not end well… Not well at all.
“Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.” - Publius Flavius Vegetius Renatus (Vegetius) in “De Re Militari,” Book III.
An Aliens and Sedition Act for the 21st century - nt
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“One man with courage makes a majority.” - Andrew Jackson
Not fair comparison
Neil Stevens Saturday, October 10th at 9:49PM EDT (link)The Alien act had nothing wrong with it at all.
The Sedition act is a trickier issue, but the Alien act was absolutely right, and Jefferson showed his radicalism when he opposed it.
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There Is No Crisis
I’d rather everyone get along, but I’ll settle for everyone united in hating me for being a jerky moderator.
Gays may be the new Blacks.
Steph C Friday, October 9th at 10:24AM EDT (link)I read that somewhere, can’t remember where, and perhaps they are.
Now, conservatives are fast becoming the new Jews. The enemy has been identified and it is: us.
“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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Yes. Homesexuals will be a "protected group"...nt.
NightTwister Friday, October 9th at 11:02AM EDT (link)Get Connected in Colorado…Colorado Political Analysis: 2010
If we live long enough to return to power, one of the first
Achance Friday, October 9th at 10:32AM EDT (link)things we must do is enact a statutory, not Congressional rule, requirement for single subject legislation and a requirement that all amendments fit within the title. Multiple subject legislation is perhaps the greatest Congressional evil. Well, aside from the evil people actually in the Congress right now.
In Vino Veritas
Hear! Hear! (nt)
larueladue Friday, October 9th at 10:58AM EDT (link)“Igitur qui desiderat pacem, praeparet bellum.” - Publius Flavius Vegetius Renatus (Vegetius) in “De Re Militari,” Book III.
I'm down with that
E Pluribus Unum Friday, October 9th at 11:03AM EDT (link)The price of freedom is vigilance. The Founding Fathers did their best to build a framework that would protect Americans from the natural vices that come with governmental power.
But we must do more, much more, to protect us from ourselves, in a way that lasts past a Congress or an Administration.
Carthago delenda est
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Progressives are so short-sighted.
NightTwister Friday, October 9th at 11:09AM EDT (link)They can’t imagine ever being out of power again, and what this law would mean to them with a Republican-appointed Attorney General. I agree with you about limiting Congressional rule by this sort of gamesmanship, but unfortunately it can only happen if a majority in Congress decide to limit themselves. I don’t see that happening from either side of the aisle for the foreseeable future.
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Ironic, isn't it?
Steph C Friday, October 9th at 11:20AM EDT (link)Considering the left is the most hateful group of all, who then proceeds to moralize when it’s returned in kind.
“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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Ditto what EPU said.
Steph C Friday, October 9th at 11:22AM EDT (link)All of it.
I humbly submit all crimes are hate crimes. Some measure of hate plays a part in each one. There is no need for this legislation.
“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
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It has nothing much to do with "hate," but rather with an expansion
Achance Friday, October 9th at 11:44AM EDT (link)of federal jurisdiction in the states. An expansive “hate crimes” and “hate groups” definition will give the fed to pry into an prosecute the folkways and mores in barbaric places like Texas, Wyoming, Montana, and Alaska, something the panty waists form NY, MA, CA and places like that really want to do. It will help them achieve their goal of turning all the men in America into castrati.
In Vino Veritas
Time to clear your cache...nt.
NightTwister Friday, October 9th at 11:48AM EDT (link)Get Connected in Colorado…Colorado Political Analysis: 2010
My history too, in case Holder is looking over my shoulder. nt
Achance Friday, October 9th at 11:55AM EDT (link)In Vino Veritas
There's secondary effects too of expanding Federal jurisdiction via "hate crimes"
civil_truth Friday, October 9th at 12:05PM EDT (link)First, it puts pressure on local and prosecutors to file charges in a dubious case that gains attention in order to avoid being labeled as racist, etc, by virture of the Federal government intervening.
It puts pressure on defendants to plea bargain to avoid also facing Federal charges.
In turn, by increasing the number of prosecutions and convictions on hate crimes, it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy as social “scientist” look at the increased numbers and use those statistics to pronounce the law as “necessary” and “effective” and ammunition to expand its scope and intensify enforcement.
Which brings us ever close to a dictatorship where the government defines by law dissent as criminal activity.
And Rightly So!
It's even worse than it looks.
UpLateAgain Sunday, October 11th at 11:44AM EDT (link)Federalizing hate crimes means if they choose, a separate federal crime can be charged, even after an acquittal at state level. Double jeopardy protections become a thing of the past. They can do that now when a civil rights violation is deemed to have occurred (witness the cops in the Rodney King case), but this legislation allows prosecution for hate crimes against the government…. hate crimes as they, or even just Holder defines them. You can’t have a civil rights violation against the government. This is much, much worse.
You never never never actually need a gun, until you need a gun, and then nothing else will do.
I dream of a Republican attorney general defining the Democratic Party as a hate group (n/t)
Finrod Friday, October 9th at 4:23PM EDT (link).
Finrod’s First Law of Bandwidth:
A picture may be worth a thousand words, but it takes the bandwidth of ten thousand.
“So let us not talk falsely now, the hour is getting late”
With Bill Ayers, Bernardine Dohrn, and Jeremiah Wright that might not be a really long stretch. NT
David123 Friday, October 9th at 6:37PM EDT (link)David123
scary stuff.
randy streu Friday, October 9th at 5:22PM EDT (link)thanks for the intel, NT.
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Hey wait a minute...
Erick Brockway Friday, October 9th at 6:46PM EDT (link)I thought I was already on their watch list. You mean I have to try out again??
Note to lefties;
“Don’t be afraid to see what you see.”
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Oh, that's the extremist list.
randy streu Friday, October 9th at 7:17PM EDT (link)Next task is the hate group list.
Then you’ll be an extreme hate group activist.
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Don't Worry EB....
rcov092 Monday, October 12th at 10:17PM EDT (link)on one list? You are automatically granted membership on any subsequent list. In fact, membership on multiple lists gets you automatically assigned to the Southernmost gulag where M13 will be the contracted guard.
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Combined with the Patriot Act
reason60 Sunday, October 11th at 12:01AM EDT (link)this is not good news for liberty.
I am writing a diary entry on this topic.
Combined with the Patriot Act
reason60 Sunday, October 11th at 12:02AM EDT (link)This is not a good development for liberty.
I am writing a diary entry on this topic.
Alien and Sedition Act
lukematthews Sunday, October 11th at 11:47AM EDT (link)This is a resurrection of the Federalist law that Adams signed but never enforced. Acceptable speech will be decided by the national government and the officeholder therein instead of by the listeners. The entire reason we have free speech is for the dissenters. To have those in power decide who is speaking ‘correctly’ and who is not is Orwellian madness. Gee, I wonder whose speech will be chilled by criminal action and whose will not? I still believe in letting them open their mouths and expose their real beliefs so we can judge the content for ourselves. That is much better than inciting secretive whisperings and cabals among the populace.
They are cutting off their noses to spite their faces. It’s nuts.
precisely correct - link
Mike gamecock DeVine Sunday, October 11th at 11:52AM EDT (link)http://www.redstate.com/nighttwister/2009/10/09/eric-holder-will-decide-if-you-belong-to-a-hate-group/#comment-752
Mike DeVine’s Examiner.com, Charlotte Observer and The Minority Report columns
“One man with courage makes a majority.” - Andrew Jackson
Unbelievable
Warrior Sunday, October 11th at 2:24PM EDT (link)What’s next, prison if we refuse to sing the “Obama Loves Me” song?
mmmm mmmm mmmm mmmm mmmm
“When school children start paying union dues, that’s when I’ll start representing the interests of school children.” — Al Shanker, President of the American Federation of Teachers for 23 years
What happens when hate crimes become defined as
reason60 Sunday, October 11th at 5:29PM EDT (link)Right Wing Terrorism? Given that there is legal precedent for holding accused terror suspects without habeas corpus, without an opportunity to protest one’s innocence, you have the loss of liberty our Founders feared.
Will it include extreme haters of "conservatives" like Pelosi? Just wishing. nt
Rod_Patrick Monday, October 12th at 5:27AM EDT (link)I knew I shouldn't have gotten that Redstate tattoo
restofva Monday, October 12th at 5:38PM EDT (link)(A) Individuals possessing tattoos or other body markings indicating association or affiliation with a hate group.
What about the Black, Yellow and Green....
CodeRedinPA Monday, October 12th at 9:52PM EDT (link)….black Nationalist tattoos????? Or those Mexica Che/La Raza tattoos????
Oooops!!!!! There I go again!. I forgot…..One can’t belong to a hate group unless HE is a STRAIGHT, CHRISTIAN, CAUCASIAN.
Democrats have to know they are over-reaching when The ACLU might become an ally of convenience.
I don't care what Eric Holder decides to do
CodeRedinPA Monday, October 12th at 9:24PM EDT (link)I am NOT taking down the “Red State Strike Force” badge off of my blog site…..