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A View from the Cheap Seats

An Undecided Voter Surveys the Field

I have to start all the way back on August 29, 2008. It was the day after the Democratic National Convention ended in Denver. I was leaving on a business trip to Italy that day, and found myself on a flight to Boston filled with delegates from the Convention. As you might imagine, there was quite a bit of chatter about the convention and the Presidential race. Sometime midway through the flight, the captain made an announcement that John McCain had chosen his Vice Presidential running mate. Most Republicans had expected the selection of Tim Pawlenty. Much to my surprise, the captain announced that his selection was Sarah Palin. The delegates on the flight immediately went into full panic mode. The conversations went back-and-forth between denial and outrage. Soon the discussions turned to what they would need to do to bring her down. As we all know, McCain went on to lose the election in spite of his selection.


I was much more involved in politics 4 years ago than I find myself now. Back then I had two children in high school, and another two in middle school. Those of you who have been through that know it takes a lot of time shuttling them to and from their events and trying to remain involved in their lives the last few years they are at home. We also struggled financially as many others have through periods of unemployment.

The single factor that led to my backing away from politics though was discouragement. Tea parties came and went as opportunists came in and looked to make a few bucks off of the frustration of everyday people. Elections were lost due more to fighting ourselves than the other party. Corruption settled in with the local party, setting us back years, if not decades.

I never really wanted to be involved in politics. I’d rather be spending my time playing catch with my kids in the back yard, spending the day in the mountains, or heading down to the amusement park. But like many, I found myself outraged at the attempt of our new government to rush headlong into the socialism that has ruined many a good nation around the world.

Fast forward to 2011. I see no need to go into the details of the current political climate. Many others have done a much better job of that than I ever could. Suffice it to say that the economy sucks, debt continues to build at an alarming pace, and since the Republicans took back the House in 2010, a stalemate exists in Congress. Our President never really wanted the job, and it shows in the way that he governs. Honestly, I wish he’d told us in advance that all he really wanted was a free golf tour across the nation. I would have gladly contributed to that so we could have had a someone in the White House who actually wanted to be there. In many ways it recalls the Presidency of Jimmy Carter. All we needed to do was find another Ronald Reagan.

Even a casual observer of history knows that most leaders are of the ordinary kind. Extraordinary leaders only come along once in a great while, and that nation (and often the world) is a better place because of him. Such was the case with Reagan, and we find ourselves once again going through our every-four-year exercise of trying to find the next one.

I joined the blandwagon early this year when Tim Pawlenty threw his hat in the ring. I liked his quiet confidence and very successful conservative record in the purple state of Minnesota. His demeanor was a refreshing change to the unfounded arrogance of the current resident of 1600 Pennsylvania Ave. He had a common American story, the son of a truck driver who worked hard and rose up through the ranks. His love of family and country was something that resonated with me. Unfortunately, the political climate was not favorable to the type of candidate he would be, and he was out of the race early.

Many others were rumored to enter the race, but for one reason or another decided this was not their time. A strong draft movement tried to draw Mike Pence in, but he decided to run for Governor instead. Mitch Daniels didn’t have the support of his family. Haley Barbour wisely decided that this wasn’t the year for a white Governor from the deep South. Sarah Palin teased until the last possible moment (and longer), only to announce she was not going to run. Donald Trump stirred things up for awhile only to decide not to run. Well, maybe not anyway.

It appeared to most that Mitt Romney would become the next George HW Bush or Bob Dole. It was his turn, and that is how Republicans play this game. To combat his cloak of inevitability, unpoliticians were encouraged to run by some. Herman Cain was the best example of this, and he ended up like the rise and fall of the Roman Empire except that it only took weeks instead of centuries. So we find ourselves less than a month away from the oh-so-important Iowa Caucuses that every Republican hates (save for Iowans). The candidates that we have are the candidates we have, for better or worse.

Before I get into the remaining candidates, it’s only fair to say a little bit about myself. We all have our biases, and I am no exception. The come from our personal philosophy and experiences in life which mold our eventual worldview. Some of you will say my ultimate decision will be based on this worldview. Of course it will, as is the same for all of you.

First and foremost I am a Christian, and unashamedly so. God’s Word informs my life and every decision that I make when I’m not rebelling against Him, which is way more often than I’d like. I grew up in a typical middle class family, though the early years were a struggle for my parents. This was in California back when it was a great place to live. I served in the Army, but only for a short time due to asthma. Still, I took the oath and had every intention of fighting for my country. My discharge was honorable. I’m married, but this is not my first marriage. I have six children and seven grandchildren. I have a degree in Computer Science that I received last year. I’m a computer geek by day and a sports official by night (and some weekends). Philosophically, I tend toward the practical over the ideologically pure, but I am not a moral relativist. Enough about me.

Since it’s clear we are not blessed with our next Reagan, we’re going to have to find the candidate that has the right combination of positive attributes to be successful in the general election. No amount of wishful thinking or projection will make any of these guys into the next Ronald Reagan. The successful candidate will have executive experience, a solid conservative approach to governing, the ability to successfully communicate his plan to the voters, and the ability to stand up to the every-increasing onslaught of the media.

We have six* remaining candidates. I will address each of these candidates in my current order of preference, starting with the least preferred. Remember, this is how I see things from the cheap seats, and in my many discussions with coworkers, friends, and family, this is how a lot of other people see things. It is not intended to be an exhaustive analysis of any of the candidates.

Michelle Bachmann: Bachmann lacks the executive experience necessary to effectively govern. She would be little different than the Republican version of Barack Obama. While she has a solid conservative plan, she lacks the ability to successfully communicate that to a majority of voters. I see no evidence that she would be able to build a coalition to accomplish anything.

Rick Santorum: There’s no question that Santorum has a conservative approach, however, two Senate terms isn’t executive experience. He’s been a polarizing figure for quite some time, and was decimated in his last election. I have little confidence that he would even be able to carry his own state. He has not successfully communicated his plan to the voters in any significant way.

Jon Huntsman: Huntsman is somewhat of a dichotomy. He certainly governed in a very conservative way in Utah. I just can’t seem to get over his going to work for Obama. It’s not that I care if a Republican works for a Democrat, but the moment Obama uttered the words, I Won, no Republican should have lifted a finger to help him. The other thing that bothers me is his run to the middle, while eschewing conservatives. He thought he could win by ignoring us. He successfully communicated that he did not need me, and therefore shouldn’t expect my vote.

Mitt Romney: Mitt was also my third choice four years ago. I almost placed him behind Huntsman, but at least Mitt expects my vote because it’s his turn. There’s no question he has the executive experience, both in the public and private sector. He governed well as a Republican in a blue state. We can all Monday Morning quarterback his decisions as governor. Some think Romneycare prevents him from being electable in the general election. I personally believe he should have stayed out of it and vetoed their bills and made them override him. Single payer would’ve been a quicker failure and might have prevented Obamacare from being passed.

Yet, I believe it is his private sector experience that would be his undoing in the general election. Say what you will about the #OccupyWallStreet folks, and there’s much that can be said. But some of what they have to say has been resonating with the voters. The democrats would use his banker experience against him successfully.

Romney has been an utter failure at communicating his plan. Nobody really knows what he would do if elected. It is my belief that he would become more like Bill Clinton than anyone else. He would govern whichever way the wind was blowing at that point in time. Nothing would change during the next four years, except we’d just be further along the road to disaster. Mitt Romney is the opposite of hope and change. If you like how things have been going for the past few years, Mitt is your guy. If Mitt wins the nomination and is elected, we will find ourselves right back here four years from now with nothing having been changed, and a candidate that has to find some way to excuse his lack of performance. That is not where you want to be heading into an election.

Rick Perry: After Tim Pawlenty dropped out, I found no one else that I could support. When rumors started getting serious that Rick Perry was going to enter the race, I was expecting that he would be my guy. His executive experience is second to none in the race. While unemployment rose everywhere else, Rick Perry was maintaining an environment where businesses could retain jobs and even absorb workers displaced from other states. Although he has always been working with a Republican legislature, they have not always been on the same page. His approach to governing has been from a federalist point-of-view, which really appeals to me.

Where Rick Perry falls down is his ability to communicate his plan to the voters. I don’t know why this is, but it is. His Southern Gentleman approach is no more effective for him than a similar approach was for Tim Pawlenty. He spends too much time talking about things in Texas, and not enough about how he will foster an environment for Americans to return our nation back to its former glory. Although he’s raised considerably more money than most of the other candidates, he hasn’t put that money to effective use.

He also hasn’t fared well with the media. This isn’t about debates either, although we’re all aware of his performance there. I’ll be honest with you. I have not watched a single debate. I only know what I’ve read here and in other places, and what I’ve heard. Here is where I believe the comparisons to GW Bush are valid. The onslaught of the media will only increase as the election moves on, and he just as Bush never really faced them, Perry doesn’t seem to be able to handle it either. Sure, Romney seems to have a glass jaw when it comes to the media, but when it’s your turn you expect the media to play your game. Perry should have no such expectations.

Newt Gingrich: In my wildest dreams I never expected to end up here. Yet, at this point in the race, Newt stands above all of the others. Unless you’re willing to give all the credit to Bill Clinton for balanced budgets and surpluses, and for welfare reform (which I’m not), you must agree that Newt has successful executive experience as the Speaker of the House. How much of a part he played matters little. In my America, ultimate responsibility goes to leaders. That includes successes and failures.

When I first started considering Newt again, I decided to go look at his website. What caught my attention first off is, rather that list issues like everyone else, he listed solutions. A small matter, just a word perhaps, but I believe it speaks to the underlying mentality of what’s needed today. Some of Newt’s plans are similar to others. He’s even been accused of stealing the plans of others. It’s not like there are very many different was to do things. But when it comes right down to it, wouldn’t you rather pay 15% than 20%? While Perry’s plan would keep funding at the status quo, Newt’s plans would reduce revenues to the point that things would have to be cut. Could either of them get their plans through Congress? That’s hard to say at this point without knowing what the makeup would be, but I like going into the battle with a better hand.

Newt is an ideas guy. While everyone else has been trying to figure out how much money we should spend on healthcare, Newt had a solution idea. While we all know that the cost of healthcare has grown at a much higher pace than inflation, we know the reasons for this are primarily better care, and an aging populace, especially the latter. Newt’s idea is to spend more money right now to find cures for the most common ailments of the aging (e.g. Alzheimer’s). This makes a lot of sense in the long term. It’s capitalistic thinking as well (investment now reduces costs later). I could go on, but I really like that he’s an ideas guy. Reagan did a lot of this too, but he had a guy he could blame the crazy ideas on (Watts).

Newt also scares the heck out of me. He has no small amount of baggage. He’s done some dumb things in his life, both personal and professional. He’s loyal to the Party to a fault sometimes. If he is elected, I’ll probably buy stock in television sets and shoes, because I’m pretty sure the demand for both will increase. His prior marital issues may or may not turn off enough women voters. That he is disliked by many of his peers on both sides of the aisle is a positive to me, not a negative. Successful leaders are not liked by everyone, and there are times you have to simply run over people to accomplish things.

His ability to handle himself with other candidates and the media is second to none. He’s probably more arrogant than Huntsman, but doesn’t come across that way to the general public. He’s definitely the smartest man in the room and likes to make sure everyone knows it, but sometimes there’s a confidence conveyed in that.

Right now, from where I sit, Newt seems to be the best candidate. Based on the polling numbers, there appear to be many others that agree with me. The next Ronald Reagan isn’t running this time, so we have to go with the best we have. I believe that Newt has the best chance to beat Barack Obama.

And I Want To Win.

I’m also still undecided. Although both of you that have stuck with this diary all the way to this point will probably believe I’m in the tank for Newt, that simply isn’t the case. I think he has the best chance to weather the coming storm and win. I’d love to see Rick Perry step up and change my mind, but I see no reason that he would or could. Whatever we do, let’s agree that after this silly season is over that we work together to ensure that Barack Obama is a one-term President.

Night Twister

*I realize that I did not include Ron Paul. This was not an oversight. I didn’t include Buddy Roemer or any of the other declared candidates that almost no one has heard of. While Ron Paul is actually polling higher than some that I have included in this list, his supporters are not going to vote for a Republican candidate not named Ron Paul. I see no reason to include someone whose followers are not Republicans. You don’t like that? It would be difficult for me to describe in words how little I care.

COMMENTS

  • acat

    I must study Politicks and War that my sons may have liberty to study Mathematicks and Philosophy. My sons ought to study Mathematicks and Philosophy, Geography, natural History, Naval Architecture, navigation, Commerce and Agriculture, in order to give their Children a right to study Painting, Poetry, Musick, Architecture, Statuary, Tapestry and Porcelaine.

    John Adams to Abigail Adams, [post 12 May 1780]

    We agreed on Pawlenty early on, and currently disagree on Perry – he’s done interviews on Obama-friendly turf and come off pretty well. He does much better than Bush 2.0 in one-on-one arenas.

    I don’t entirely trust Newt – I’d say he’s my 2nd choice at this point – but I could strongly support him in the general.

    Mew

    • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

      Love the quote, it fits.

      But Perry hasn’t been out of single digits for awhile, and I see no reason for that to change. He just can’t seem to connect to more voters. I get why, it was the same for Pawlenty.

      Ah well, as they say, we get the government we deserve.

      • avagreen

        it’s the MSM, FOX, and liberals in every corner of this political world that are keeping him down.

        the spins that he’s “not connecting” is a pure myth. Just look at the reaction of the LA crowd to him when he was on Leno.

        Do you ever hear of that in the news? Hell no.

        If Perry were left alone, and this was a honest election, he’d be on top. The powers in the liberal world cannot allow that to happen.

        A pox on their noses.

        • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

          It’s gonna take a few more than that to move on to the next stage.

          You think the playing field isn’t fair? Tough. It’s the only one they’re playing on this year, just like every other four years. By the way, that was part of my evaluation. I’m not sure if you read the diary or just my comment.

          Anyway, why is it Perry supporters think we should grade him on a curve?

          • avagreen

            You said:
            I have not watched a single debate. I only know what I?ve read here and in other places, and what I?ve heard.

            And, find it distressing that you have used your second-hand knowledge to come to your conclusions while debating those that did see the debates and have come to their informed decisions.

            Grading on a curve isn’t expected, but a well-informed (from you) and honest answer (from the media) would be helpful, nay?

            If that’s “grading on a curve”………sure is far from what I used to know was a “grading curve”. All the info going into the “curve” was honest. This stuff going on, isn’t. But, a nice redirection, though.

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            Cheap Seats. I was attempting to give a different perspective than is usually seen around here, perhaps more along the lines of how the average Republican voter is seeing things, not those who have invested a lot of time. Apparently I’ve failed miserably.

            I’m not debating here. I clearly stated that I’m still an undecided voter, but I do have opinions about the candidates (and their supporters). I’ve talked to quite a few others that have similar opinions. Uninformed? Perhaps. But not completely so.

            It’s clear that you support Perry and have good reasons for doing so. Right now I don’t think he can win, and you telling me I’m uninformed doesn’t suddenly want to make me want to because a shill for him.

            I’ve also made it clear this is more or less a hobby for me at this point. By the time the Colorado caucuses roll around this thing will already be over, so how I plan to vote means little. I was just trying to give people another perspective. Take it for what it’s worth.

        • sunshinek67

          on washingtonexaminer.com MSM reported a “standing ovation” for Newt, when in fact those in attendance were just getting up to leave at the end of his speech. Some were even taken aback at the news coverage of a well received message by Newt, describing it as tense and skeptical and are questioning the subsequent media coverage describing a slam dunk for Newt.

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            [no-text]

          • sunshinek67

            “how the average Republican voter is seeing things” & in your diary “Based on the polling numbers”

            The “average Republican voter” is probably receiving a substantial amount of information from the media, fair enough? “Based on the polling numbers” is most likely being reported to you through the media, fair enough?

            Not a threadjack silly~

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            It’s my diary, and you’re off topic. Stay on topic or move on. Your slam of Newt’s standing ovation or not has nothing to do with this diary.

            Take your spamming elsewhere.

          • sunshinek67

            You make reference to deriving your information polling and media sources. Grow up~

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            Yup, that’s my name as the author of the diary. So I DO get to decide what’s on topic or not. With all the diaries here at RS, you can’t find another one to spam your anti-Gingrich stuff?

          • sunshinek67

            You have the redstate right to be disingenuous, for sure. I think your argument loses a substantial amount of credibility when you dispute media information that is true about your candidate, the obvious bias that’s going on. Not helpful to the GOP. You told me once that you want to win, well…so do I!!

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            It matters little whether they are right or wrong. Most people still get their information from them. So you can say they’re wrong and biased, but that doesn’t change people’s opinions or voting patterns. That’s clear from the last election and the current polls.

            What you Perry shills just can’t seem to get is that I like the guy. I wanted to become a supporter. But the fact is, he never sealed the deal with the voters. He just can’t get off the dime. Why? I’m sure there are several reasons, but the fact is those reasons don’t matter.

            You can keep shooting the messenger if you want, but that won’t move Perry from single to double digits in the polls. Certainly, your actions thus far don’t make undecided voters like me want to rush over to your side.

            You want to have a discussion about the diary I’ve written here? That’s great. This is a start. You want to spam propaganda about your candidate and against other candidates? Do it somewhere else.

          • sunshinek67

            You lose :(

          • APA Guy

            …and unbecoming of a conservative supporter of Rick Perry.

          • sunshinek67

            Just because you assert that doesnt make it true. Feel like this is a discussion found on WaPo or Politico. This is not a DrBob/Wonk tit for tat exchange here, you are degrading the dialogue that needs to be had, why there needs to be an honest open discussion about the media and their bias. I merely pointed out a very well written article about media bias & now find myself dealing with diarists that accept no dissenters to the grand Master Debater. Maybe he will generate massive real enthusiasm in the general, I certainly plan to give him my vote, sans enthusiasm.

            If whatever I have offered to this discussion dissuades you from supporting Rick Perry, you probably never had conviction about his record of success anyway. It might be more about 30-60 second soundbites for you~

          • sunshinek67

            In debate, there are points that win and some that don’t. No self righteousness here. I’ve been accused of threadjack of all things when I pointed out an article of media bias that clearly has potential to generate or not enthusiasm for a candidate thus the basis for diarist’s theory of why it’s sticking with some candidates and not with others. I do quite a bit of research on my own before taking one persons point of view, and I also view positive articles about my first choice for candidate almost in the same way, ie Perry’s meteoric poll numbers at the onset of candidacy. I consider myself a novice analyst, think it is ridiculous to shut down conversation with dissenting viewpoints. That is not the democratic way my friend.

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            You lose. :-)

            Yes, I know you’re a Perry supporter….that isn’t exactly a closely held secret.

          • sunshinek67

            diary. Fail~

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            I’m done with you.

          • sunshinek67

            Does a spirited debate with differing opinions from your own unnerve you? Please, conquer your fears. I think the msm choosing our candidates for us leading GOP to another setup against Obama is tragic. Wouldn’t you rather know the truth? Guess not.

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            I’m still undecided, and that’s clear in my diary. This diary isn’t about the mainstream media. This diary is about why some candidates seem to be catching on, and others aren’t. This diary is about my personal journey through the primaries up to now. If you’d like to discuss that, great. But if you’re just here to spam more stuff about how great Rick Perry is, and how awful Newt Gingrich is, there are other diaries here at RS about that. Feel free to go there.

            I didn’t know you had exclusive rights to The Truth™. Please forgive me for not recognizing royalty when it entered the room.

          • sunshinek67

            nt

          • sunshinek67

            or omitting pertinent information about ALL of the GOP candidates, thus attempting to thwart enthusiasm for our guys, which would explain your theory to a degree. Probably a substantial one at that~

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            Though I do reference them.

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            …is NOT about…

          • sunshinek67

            what I offered to the conservation is relevant. News reported a false enthusiasm for Newt’s speech. They are trying to get people to latch onto him, so yes it is relevant to your diary. And no, it shouldn’t be considered a threadjack.

            Lot of love to you this beautiful Sunday morning~

          • sunshinek67

            to you later~ ;)

          • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

            We were getting ready for church ourselves when Baby Sis, one of Governor Perry’s biggest fans and a feisty toddler, fell and busted her lip really bad. My parents are on their way to see our grandfather, who is a doctor, and it’s looking very likely that she’ll have to go and get stitches. She’s a sweet little thing, I hate to see her crying in pain. Anyway, she’s scared and may be in for some more trauma, so prayers are greatly appreciated.

          • sunshinek67

            May the Holy Spirit just fill up this child. Jesus, the Healer!

            (Wish I would have seen this request on my little phone screen before the mindless debate I just threw myself into.)

          • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

            It was pretty scary when it happened, lots of blood and general panic, but Baby Sis came home all patched up. Guess what they put on her lip? Super Glue! Yes, real honest-to-goodness Super Glue. Apparently it’s a common remedy for minor cuts (we’ve never heard of it). Thankfully she didn’t bite all the way through her lip, so she didn’t need stitches. She’s back to her happy self; even inquired before I changed her diaper if she could watch “Pewwy” on my iPod (I’ll be putting “The Truth Cannot Be Bought” on there and she should get a real kick out of it :D ) Gotta love babies. Thanks so much for praying for her!

          • sunshinek67

            Aaaaaaanderson!

    • andystone

      Stating there were eight justices on the Supreme Court and one of them was named Montemayor. This after recently implying that the voting age for the New Hamphsire “caucuses” was 21. I’m not sure what’s happening – maybe it’s complications from the back surgery – but Perry should not be on the campaign trail this year.

      • avagreen

        Another candidate doesn’t take a stand hardly at all so as to keep above the fray, but when pushed, will take a stand………..completely and diametrically opposed to his “stand” the day or week before. Then, when confronted by Bret Baier on national TV gets so testy and stumbles so badly in his answers, it was noted by even his (former) supporters about his thin-skin.

        Pickin for nits, are ya?

        • avagreen

          told his wife (while she was in her hospital bed…I think it was) whom he was divorcing in order to marry the woman that he’d had an affair with while married to his wife, to “don’t listen to what I do, listen to what I say” when she questioned him how he could speak on family values considering what he was/had done to their marriage.

          (run on sentence…..don’t care, really)

          http://dailycaller.com/2011/12/07/woman-says-she-performed-sexual-acts-on-married-newt-in-1977-thinks-voters-should-know/

          And, you think Perry shouldn’t “be running”???!!!!

          ROFLMAO!!

          • Michael Dugas

            that story about informing his wife he was going to divorce her while she was in the hospital is false. The divorce conversation began before she became ill.

          • avagreen

            while she was in the hospital bed. I said he was ” divorcing her to marry……”

            My emphasis was what he said to her when she questioned him about his speaking on family values while having an affair…..”don’t listen to what I do, but what I say”.

            In fact, he was taking the divorce papers for her to sign while she was in the hospital, but she had began the proceedings herself.

        • andystone

          a lot of mulligans. I’ve said nothing on this site when he made his debate gaffes (“heartless”, DoE). But those turned out not to be exceptions and come on – the average voter knows the voting age and the number of Supreme Court justices.

          • avagreen

            Campaigns are long and tough, candidates are often tired and flubs happen.

            All the candidates have made mistakes: Romney on his Bret Baier interview, for one, and his many lies he told during that interview which gobsmacked even Baier. His flubbing his one first name (some called it a flat lie) during one of the last debates, his rep as being duplicitous which he just keeps reinforcing.
            Newt in his arrogance, hypocrisy he’s shown during this race, not knowing when the President would take office despite his many years in D.C.
            Then, there is Newt’s complete hamstringing he’s done to his own campaign, such as even forgetting to register in 2 (?) states to run his campaign there?
            More:
            http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/the-fix/post/the-fall-of-the-house-of-newt/2011/06/10/AGtMq2OH_blog.html

            Romney’s top 10 gaffes:
            http://www.time.com/time/specials/2007/romney_gaffes/article/0,28804,1621231_1621230_1621172,00.html

            And, to read a completely BS explanation for the double standard:
            “When Newt or Obama say something that is either misguided or incorrect, it doesn’t resonate because everybody knows they are smart guys, so they get a break.”

            http://www.nbcactionnews.com/dpp/news/political/fact-check-gop-field-flubs-big-and-small

            Doesn’t mean we have to buy into it.

          • center77

            The Twenty-sixth Amendment of the United States Constitution standardized the voting age to 18. It was adopted in response to student activism against the Vietnam War and to partially overrule the Supreme Court’s decision in Oregon v. Mitchell. It was adopted on July 1, 1971
            If we were old enough to die in the Viet Nam war, we thought we were also old enough to vote.

      • sunshinek67

        I am STILL voting for him.

        • bzip

          Good point, surely no slick insider politician would be acting this way.

          I like it, I like the fact Perry is human and humble and his gaffes aren’t something that goes against conservative principles unlike Newt.

          • sunshinek67

            I think Andy & NoCense need to dig deeper and really think about what they are saying. NC states the big bad liberal media given a platter of Perryisms, of the horror! But then goes on to support Newt Gingrich, lol!

        • andystone

          This is starting to sound like some sort of cult reunion. I can’t believe I have to state this, but failing questions of fact on a basic civics / citizenship test is NOT a positive qualification to be President of the US. If Perry, God forbid, said tomorrow that the moon was made of blue cheese, would you find that endearing because blue cheese is tasty?!

          • texasroots

            can you name all the justices right off the bat?? Sometimes I can and sometimes I cannot. Okay, I have to write the names down like Sotomayor, Breyer, Alito, Kagan, Thomas, Scalia, Kennedy, Ginsburg and Chief Justice Roberts to name them all,and then it gets harder to remember their full names. Did I leave anyone out?

          • Common_Cents

            If you are batting the establishment and liberal justices, you better know them.

            Look at what happened with Cain’s libya moment. You show an achilles heel like this, and the left will smell blood and blow up every single instance.

            Of course they’ll give Obama a pass on any of his gaffes. this is reality folks.

          • texasroots

            Why do you keep bringing up the liberals over and over and over? Can we please go a few blogs without mentioning what the liberals will do. We all know what the liberals will do. Besides, I totally rebuke all of your negativism against Perry. Thanks, Common_Cents. Common sense wouldn’t be bad.

          • sunshinek67

            ;)

          • andystone

            I know there are nine, and if I offer any names they will be correct. And I’m not even running for President. But the point is, it’s actually a negative if someone running for President makes basic errors of civic fact, and not an endearing characteristic.Cain was run into the ground for making too long of a pause when talking about Libya, for God’s sake, and he didn’t even say anything incorrect afterwards.

          • acat

            the problem wasn’t the pause, or Libya, it started with the Palestinian right of return. The pause on Libya was seen as “more proof” that he was winging it.

            The only reason I recall there are 9 is because of Tolkien’s 9 black-robed and rather sinister characters….

            Mew

          • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

            ninguno texto

      • 1bunny

        when the US elected a non-proven, non-tested leader. We see those results today. How’s that working out for America?

        I’ll stick with Perry as I consider record beats any speech. I will never ever consider anyone for the highest office who does not have experience and a good record as a leader. No hopey changey wishing here. No hoping that the candidate has changed and wishing that their leadership record was better. James Richard Perry 2012!!!!!

        • texasroots

          So there are 8 justices and one chief justice. Try naming them all with their full names. I cannot always name them all. This is getting ridiculous. I too will stick with Perry.

          • lizzie

            of the First Intifada from Gaza, Dec 8 1987.

            The first night of Hanukkah is December 21, 2011.

            Hanukkah is the celebration of the Maccabbean rebellion against tyranny.

            The Maccabees were “…a Jewish rebel army who took control of Judea, which had been a client state of the Seleucid Empire. They founded the Hasmonean dynasty, which ruled from 164 BCE to 63 BCE, reasserting the Jewish religion, expanding the boundaries of the Land of Israel and reducing the influence of Hellenism and Hellenistic Judaism. …” http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Maccabees

            Hanukkah is NOT the Jewish version of Christmas – just happens to come about the same time of year. The eight night of gifts was meant to teach children the history of one of our fights to be Jewish in our homeland, and celebrate the miracle of the oil lasting eight days instead of one.

            (Maybe Gov. Perry was thinking about this when he said eight – know he is as angry as I am over this Obama insult)

            Obama’s official Hanukkah ceremony was belittled by him changing the date (and lighting all eight candles), but also a dog whistle of disrespect by choosing the anniversary of the 1st Intifada, when Gaza erupted in “rebellion” and introduced the suicide bomber as a terror tactic.

            Did the msm media notice THIS truly insulting “gaffe”?

          • westcoastpatriette

            to come up with such a diabolical twisting of a significant Jewish holiday? I don’t think Obama is informed enough or smart enough to have figured this out himself. But his point is well-taken. He seems to know no bounds in clarifying his contempt for Israel and the Jewish people. I share your utter disgust and contempt for him (and Hillary, for that matter) in this regard. But then, I have never seen a more anti-American traitorous President as Obama. I was physically ill for three days after he was elected and I am only slightly better three years later.

          • lizzie

            I picked up the Dec 8 1987 aspect from a comment there last night.

            My first real trauma with Obama was when his 2008 official campaign website posted his official ‘celebration’ of Israel’s Independence Day.
            The comment thread was immediately hijacked by pro-palestinians wanting to celebrate Nakba.
            It was the same day that McCain was talking about Hamas.

            MyBO had a “report offensive comment” button, and I spent three days reporting some of the most vile comments. NONE were deleted by the moderator, who was the blogposter Sam Graham-Felsen.

            The only comment that WAS deleted was one that stated the “palestinians are arabs.” That thread still exists – if you have the URL.

            The buck stops with Obama. He allowed the WH scheduler to choose Dec 8, knowing that the media might be puzzled by the date change, but not anything else.

            Is it a coincidence that rockets again started up from Gaza? They got the dog whistle.
            The palestinians have been trying to get the UN to invoke “Responsibility to Protect” against Israel. The UN doctrine that was used for Libya.

      • http://redmerrimack.blogspot.com/ charliebravoNH

        Wow that would be something! I would just be happy with a closed primary with out the vote fraud. .

        Rick Perry has a great record but like a good pitcher he needs to settle down and get some control. A gaffe prone nominee is not what we need going up against BO next year.

  • carolina

    the stronger Newt will get. The political elite beltway insiders don’t get it. They are about to learn it, I do believe.
    Dan Quale is on Kudlow right now selling Romney. ha ha ha ha
    Newt has exactly the right ‘enemies’. It is a beautiful thing!

    • Common_Cents

      the DC elite insiders are all crying that Newtie called them names and made them work and newtie wasn’t nice.

      I cannot believe what I hear and read. LOL

      I hope they keep this line of attack up.

      newt will wrap up the tea party support.

    • center77

      because Newt is a big fraud, Romney has no core, sure, but no one thinks he does, Newt on the other hand is a charlatan because he acts like he knows everything, but it is not even true, Newt is the insider, who has milked his power for everything it is worth. I will be very dissipointed if the party goes that rout, because I know what that means, it means the Republican party is not right yet, and the tea party was a weak movement that allowed a slickster like Newt to convince them he is anything close to what we were looking for. Its really shameful to be honest. I will not let my sdesire to win to make me lose myself, I dont just say I believe Washington is full of crooks and we need reform, I realyy believe it. Newt is the very thing that needs to be beat.

      • texasroots

        Just keep doing what you are doing. Thanks for helping in Iowa Strike Force. I am not giving up on Perry.

        • YnotNOW

          We cannot expect the Tea Party movement to develop true-believer candidates in 4 years. It takes time for the grass-roots representative to develop the experience, resume, and track record to achieve higher office. So don’t disillusion yourself with the expectation that conservatives should have the perfect candidate to sweep all others aside. Work on the ground game, and convince an increasing circle of friends about conservative ideals.

          The country will only change gradually, regardless of how impatient we all are.

      • carolina

        “Washington is full of crooks”
        The very fact that all of the “crooks” are screaming that Newt is THE WORST possible candidate makes Newt very desirable to all of us who also think that “Washington is full of crooks”. If the political elite embraced Newt like they do Romney ….. Newt would not be in the lead.
        On top of this, Newt has a good economic plan. Romney has 59 points of mush.
        I wanted Perry to get the nomination, but he has not been able to get the support of the electorate. I’ll take Newt over Romney any day.

      • carolina

        “Washington is full of crooks”
        The very fact that all of the “crooks” are screaming that Newt is THE WORST possible candidate makes Newt very desirable to all of us who also think that “Washington is full of crooks”. If the political elite embraced Newt like they do Romney ….. Newt would not be in the lead.
        On top of this, Newt has a good economic plan. Romney has 59 points of mush.
        I wanted Perry to get the nomination, but he has not been able to get the support of the electorate. I’ll take Newt over Romney any day.

  • 1bunny

    n/t

  • carolynr

    http://www.rickperry.org/news/rick-perry-repeal/?utm_source=The+Perry+Almanac&utm_campaign=f6b5549e24-Email_19_15_2011&utm_medium=email

    I don’t know how to get these things into the box…maybe someone can help me out with that. Anyway…listen to it.

    Newt has been all over the place with Obamacare. A bond, a mandate…whatever…he has not come out and said he will work until it is DEAD. Perry has.

    Romney…well, he said he would repeal it…but he is walking that back.

    PLEASE…WE DON’T WANT THIS BILL, IT WILL KILL AMERICA…It was voted on without anyone reading it…the administration used bribes to get people to vote for it. Let the state’s sell across state lines. Anyone that can’t afford insurance…Medicaid…and the state should require a co-pay on it.

    It’s too bad about Sotomayor…I don’t know if I spelled that right…and I don’t care about her or the spelling. Another shill for Obama along with Kagen.

    Oh…another thing…about these gaffes. Well…everyone makes them…the POTUS thinks he was going to govern 57 states. Now…that’s BAD. But gaffes can be forgiven because they are honest mistakes…LIES CANNOT AND BOTH GINGRICH AND ROMNEY HAVE done a real good job on the latter.

    • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

      Write you own diary if you want to discuss Obamacare.

      • carolynr

        however…as you can see…others have followed. I don’t know how one write a diary….would you be so kind as to inform me so I don’t step on your toes again.

      • carolynr

        I posted about Obamacare because Obamacare is socialism. It is not a healthcare bill..it is a tax bill…or redistribution. So…the reason it was posted was in response to one sentence you wrote in your Diary.

        “But like many, I found myself outraged at the attempt of our new government to rush headlong into the socialism that has ruined many a good nation around the world.” …See Above..from NightTwister.

    • texasroots

      but it is Sotomayor. No one asks about Obamacare anymore. What happened?

    • superpatriot

      Gingrich has a conservative approach to healthcare. He’ll no doubt dismantle what’s left of obamacare when he’s elected.

      Romney, however, is one of the ones who started socialized mediicne and it scares me.

      It’s Perry, if not Newt.

      • bzip

        You have to be kidding, Newt dismantle Obamacare. That is a joke. Newt is the guy that has a long history of supporting the mandate and not even just for health care but also for “flex-fuel” cars.

        Mandates and Newt Gringrich:
        01/30/2011 ? He suggested that flex-fuel vehicles be mandated for Americans.
        http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704698004576104682930044012.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
        ?So along comes Mr. Gingrich to offer his support for Mr. Obama’s brand of green-energy welfare, undermining House Republicans in the process. In his Iowa speak-power-to-truth lecture, he even suggested that the government should mandate that all new cars in the U.S. be flex-fuel vehicles?meaning those that can run on an ethanol-gas mix as high as 85%?as if King Corn were in any danger of being deposed.?

        05/12/2011 ? He was more supportive of individual health-care mandates than Mitt Romney.

        Gingrich suggests insurance mandate for those who can afford
        http://www.healthinsuranceplansinfo.com/healthinsurance-health-news/pivot/entry.php?id=846&w=my_weblog

        05/15/2011 ? He backed Obama?s individual mandate; ?All of us have a responsibility to help pay for health care.?

        05/15/11 – Newt Shocks Conservatives:
        http://nation.foxnews.com/newt-gingrich/2011/05/15/newt-shocks-conservatives
        ?Former House Speaker Newt Gingrich said Sunday that he strongly supports a federal mandate requiring citizens to buy health insurance ? a position that has been rejected by many Republicans, including several who likely will be running against him for the Republican presidential nomination.

        Appearing on NBC?s ?Meet the Press,? Gingrich told host David Gregory that he continues to advocate for a plan he first called for in the early 1990s as a Congressman, which requires every uninsured citizen to purchase or acquire health insurance. Read more at newsmax.com.?

        5/15/11 – Gingrich Backs Obamacare’s Individual Mandate Requiring Health Insurance
        http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/gingrich-health-care-insurance/2011/05/15/id/396426

        Appearing on NBC?s ?Meet the Press,? Gingrich told host David Gregory that he continues to advocate for a plan he first called for in the early 1990s as a Congressman, which requires every uninsured citizen to purchase or acquire health insurance.

        Gregory played a clip of Gingrich speaking during an appearance on Meet the Press in October 1993:

        ?I am for people, individuals — exactly like automobile insurance — individuals having health insurance and being required to have health insurance. And I am prepared to vote for a voucher system which will give individuals, on a sliding scale, a government subsidy so we insure that everyone as individuals have health insurance.?

        05/16/2011 ? He also endorsed individual mandates in 1993 when Clinton pushed Universal Health Care.
        Gingrich: Focus On My 1993 Mandate Support Is ?Political Amnesia? (VIDEO)
        http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2011/05/gingrich-focus-on-my-1993-mandate-support-is-political-amnesia-video.php
        12/06/11 – Glenn Beck interview with Newt Gringrich:
        http://www.glennbeck.com/2011/12/06/transcript-of-newt-gingrich-interview/

        GLENN: Okay. That?s 1993. Here is May 2011.

        GINGRICH: All of a sudden responsibility to help pay for healthcare. And I think that there are ways to do it that make most libertarians relatively happy. I?ve said consistently we ought to have some requirement to either have health insurance or you post a bond or in some way you indicate you are going to be held accountable.

        VOICE: That is the individual mandate, is it not?

        GINGRICH: It?s a variation on it.


        I call that a ?mandate?. Maybe a variation on it (in Newt?s own words) BUT it is a mandate, period!

        • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    • bzip

      carolynr did you mean embed the video? I just embedded it hope that helps:

      Perry News:
      Rick Perry ties Gingrich, Romney to ‘Obamacare’
      http://www.latimes.com/news/politics/la-pn-perry-ad-20111208,0,3276743.story?track=rss
      Rick Perry: “Repeal”
      http://youtu.be/BAGhCnGz4S8

      • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

        Stop theadjacking on my diary. Write your own rah rah diary or find one to post this.

  • carolynr

    I don’t know how to do this…so yes…this was the ad I was threadjacking about.

  • deVere

    Why must I agree with something so silly?

    First of all it was legislative experience.

    And second of all he was forced to resign as Speaker by his Republican colleagues due to eithical improprieties.

    Gingrich is the epitome of sleaze, but seems to have hypnotized many Republicans into ignoring his personal history and supporting him..

    • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

      It wasn’t just legislative experience. He was the leader of the legislative body. You may not like what he did, but he was the leader and he accomplished some pretty important things. That’s successful executive experience.

      Newt left after the Democrats won back the House in 1998. He was not forced to resign.

      • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

        Besides, what’s the alternative, vote for Mitt?

        • acat

          Clearly, there are alternatives to voting for Newt or Wafflin’ Willard.

          Mew

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            They’re the only viable candidates right now. That could change, but I see no reason at this time why it will.

          • acat

            No reason?

            It seems to this cat that it depends entirely on how long Gingrich can rein in his tongue .. he doesn’t tend to flame out as spectacularly as Bachmann’s anti-science pivot, nor will he brain-fart like Perry, and the infidelity is old news so likely immune .. however.

            Gingrich, back in the day, wasn’t taken down by a flame-out. It was the constant drip-drip-drip of ideas from his prodigious brain that some part of his base disliked that did him in .. he found himself on a narrow branch because he’d eroded the rest.

            So far, we’ve seen little of this. There have been glimpses, but he’s done yeoman’s work of being Mr. Nice Newt. He’s debated flawlessly, and without attacking anyone but the moderators .. but it’s a long way to Super Tuesday.

            Remember, it was 3 months from Ames, IA to Cain’s flameout. Bachmann and Perry flamed out earlier. If Gingrich reverts to type and slowly erodes his support .. where does it go?

            Mew

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            No reason.

            Gingrich’s support isn’t eroding, but it’s actually solidifying. You may not like that (I don’t know that I’m exactly thrilled with it), but that’s what is right now. I don’t see how Gingrich not reigning in his tongue would change anything. As far as I can tell, that’s already factored in.

            I don’t know when people are going to figure out that I’m not for Newt, but rather just stating how things are looking from my chair.

            Lots of people would like Perry to be doing better than he is, but he just isn’t. No amount of wishful thinking is going to change that.

            What will change it is if we see Perry doing something different. What he’s doing isn’t working, but I see no reason to believe he will start doing something different.

            This reminds me so much of the last election, except I was on the other side of things. As much as I wanted Fred Thompson to do better, there was really never any indication that he would. I see exactly the same thing here with Rick Perry. I don’t know why, but he just appears not to want it. Candidates that don’t want it don’t get it. It’s really that simple.

          • acat

            Thing is, thus far the candidates that have dropped have done so under their own power, the candidates that have risen have done so *because someone else dropped*, not because of what they were doing.

            Looked at that way, there’s no reason for Perry to do something different. All he has to do is stick around for three months and see if Gingrich steps on his tongue.

            I’m not trying to argue you into or out of anything, just pointing out that I find your “no reason” … to be rather flimsy. You’re welcome to keep holding it, but .. that would tend to indicate you wrote this not to discuss but to pontificate.

            Mew

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            Have you missed that part? Things can always change. No one expected McCain to come out of nowhere last time. It got so bad at one point that he just quit. So, sure, Perry could still come out of no where and win the nomination. I think he’s going to have to change some things to do that though, and so far I haven’t seen him changing. I’d be happy with that outcome.

            I worry though whether people will vote for the stable, qualified, experienced candidate that would actually change things in Washington or the American Idol President that would just make things worse.

            As for Gingrich, his path has been different than the others. He already had a high, and a low, and is back high again. I fail to see anything that might happen short of finding him with a small boy that would cause him to drop again.

            And pontification? No, not really. I was trying to give a perspective of an undecided Republican voter semi-detached from the process. In that, I failed miserably because none of the comments yet reflect that perspective. I’m afraid that people are going to just shill for their candidate no matter what.

            At this point I’m just waiting for Whomever (R) so we can just get on with the damned thing. I know I’m not alone in that perspective.

          • acat

            That could change, but I see no reason at this time why it will.

            No reason.

            I can’t understand how I could have missed it. [/sarcasm]

            Seriously, it’s tempting some days to throw up my paws and just go prowl the yard for mice rather than watch the insanity that is primary season. That said, the only way I can answer questions about Whomever (R) is to know how we got here, so .. paying some level of attention is kind of mandatory… if unpleasant.

            Mew

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            Maybe you’ll like this better.

            I see no reason right now why the race will change.

            Or maybe you won’t. Either way, I don’t know how I can say it any clearer.

          • acat

            It’s why I quoted you the way I did. The first two were unclear, appearing to deny the possibility of change.

            I understand your statement. I disagree with your statement.

            Capiche?

            Mew

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            ^^no^text^^

          • pttx333

            people who say “I really like Perry and would vote for him, BUT … ” would actually do so – rather than head for the latest “superstar” – I’ll bet Perry would actually be our nominee. I’ve seen that stated many times here on RS and on numerous other internet sites. Guess I’m different, but my choice is and always has been in stone.

            But … that is just me.

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            Otherwise, I would’ve already moved from undecided to supporter.

          • pttx333

            people who say “I really like Perry and would vote for him, BUT … ” would actually do so – rather than head for the latest “superstar” – I’ll bet Perry would actually be our nominee. I’ve seen that stated many times here on RS and on numerous other internet sites. Guess I’m different, but my choice is and always has been in stone.

            But … that is just me.

          • deVere

            The same people who nominated McCain are now determined to do the same for Gingrich.

            I had thought that McCain was an aberration, but now I realize that was unfortunately not the case. Ronald Reagan was the exception, and McCain and Gingrich are the maintream of the Republican Party.

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            we don’t have a Ronald Reagan in the race this time. I don’t see how you can blame that on the electorate.

          • Common_Cents

            Thats a good endorsement for him. They’ll only come around when he gets the nomination and starts tearing into Obama.

      • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

        and achieved historic accomplishments in gaining the House and in running it.

      • JSobieski

        Each Congresscritter has staff that they manage. Obama supporters in 2008 talked about his executive experience in managing a campaign. That too is “executive” experience of some type.

        I agree that being Speaker has elements of executive experience, but it is light years away from being a governor or President.

        The executive branch has millions of employees, regulatory agencies that create rules independent of Congress, and executive authority to make decisions within certain parameters.

        The unilateral power of the Speaker is largely limited to things like office assignments and legislative priorities—but legislative priorities are inherently dependent upon fellow House Members.

        • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

          Newt has executive experience. It doesn’t compare to Perry, Romney, or Huntsman, but it is more than Bachmann & Paul.

          Everything must be evaluated as it is. Executive experience is high on my list, which is why I preferred Pawlenty, and then Perry when he entered. Unfortunately neither caught on with the voters. Pawlenty’s out, but Perry still has a chance. Will he? Time will tell, but right now it looks like a two horse race.

          • JSobieski

            nt

  • westcoastpatriette

    I’ll be glad when the primaries are over. I am already tiring of this whole process. And I don’t think anyone is satisfied with the state of affairs as they stand.

    I would prioritize my choices for a candidate differently than you for different reasons, but your reasoning for your choices is understandable. I try to temper my strong opposition to certain candidates with the understanding that if they become the nominee, I will switch gears and look for the positives so that we can evict the Marxist and his minions out of the White House next year.

    It all can get pretty depressing sometimes.

    • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

      I’m just tired of the whole thing. We went through this in 2010. Snatched defeat from the jaws of victory, we did. Although this race isn’t shaping up to be that bad, we could’ve done so much better.

  • deVere

    Republicans retained control of the House in 1998 by a reduced margin of 223 to 211. Gingrich, under pressure from Armey, Boehner, DeLay, Livingston, Coburn, etc, resigned as Speaker, and also resigned his Congressional seat to which he had just been reelected, leaving his district without representation until a costly special election could be held.. So apart from being a big government Liberal and very sleazy, Newt Gingrich is also a quitter.

    To the best of my knowledge there is NO member of Congress who reported to this “leader”in the 1990s who is now supporting him for President. Tom Coburn has been outspoken in saying that Newt Gingrich is the last person he would consider supporting for President. The people who know Newt the best, like him the least.

    It is my opinion that if Newt Gingrich is nominated for President by the Republican Party, many people will leave the party, and Obama will be reelected.

    • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

      You’re right. The Republicans maintained control, but did lose 5 seats in the 1988 election though, the worst midterm performance in 64 years by a party that did not control the Presidency.

      He survived the attempted coup in 1997 however. He resigned one day after being elected to his 11th term.

      I’m willing to lead but I’m not willing to preside over people who are cannibals. My only fear would be that if I tried to stay, it would just overshadow whoever my successor is.

      What you’ve stated about people leaving the party is the same thing that has been said about Mitt Romney. As it appears (for now) that this is a two-horse race, I don’t see that being a factor. Besides, by your own measure, they would just be quitters.

    • deVere

      “What you?ve stated about people leaving the party is the same thing that has been said about Mitt Romnney. As it appears (for now) that this is a two-horse race, I don?t see that being a factor. Besides, by your own measure, they would just be quitters.”

      Your comment makes no sense at all. I have not offered to serve my neighbors as their Republican representative, or taken any oath to remain a Republican. Also, I do not believe that it is a two horse race. Things can change very fast in politics.

      We need a candidate who is broadly acceptable to the party, and who can win the election. If Mitt and Newt aren’t it, than maybe Perry, Bachmann, Santorum, Huntsman or even Jim DeMint, Sarah Palin, or Mark Sanford. Mark Sanford, who retired in disgrace due to an affair, is much cleaner than Newt Gingrich, who is in my opinion the epitome of sleaze.

      • deVere

        Then we will get a compromise choice who is broadly acceptable to the party.

        • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

          ++no-text++

          • deVere

            Bibi Netanyahu has now moved up his election timetable so Israeli elections will be done before Obama is reelected.

            We need a Republican Party united behind a respectable candidate to beat Obama. Newt ain’t the man.

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            Some people need to prepare themselves for that possibility.

      • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

        You either want candidates that are in single digits or not running at all. As it stands now, there aren’t many interested in them.

        Of course things can change, but unless they do we’re down to Newt or Mitt. Given that choice, I’ll take Newt.

  • Right_Again

    While we don’t have a Ronald Reagan, each of our candidates is superior to the current Occupier. I even include Ron Paul in that.

    They each have their flaws as you pointed out; not one of them is the measure of the stature of Ronald Reagan. However, each of them also has some outstanding qualities and most have far more experience than Obama did as a candidate.

    I will gladly support either Newt or Mitt. I would be less enthusiastic about Santorum, Bachmann and Perry (in that order). It would be even harder for me to consider an elitist such as Huntsman or Ron Paul.

    All that being said, I will fully support whomever we choose.

  • texasref

    I feel largely the same way, especially in your analyses of the candidates. I am undecided leaning Newt.

  • RealQuiet

    Very well put together analysis as well.

  • lineholder

    I’m more or less in the same place you are mentally looking at candidates and I have been for a while now.

    My viewpoint is a bit different than what I keep seeing expressed by other people. I look at things more in a broad-spectrum context, and I think Repubs are missing an opportunity of a lifetime in presenting Conservatism as a CAUSE in comparison to Liberalism/Progressivism/Socialism. Once upon a time, back about two months ago, I posted a diary about why I believed this would be a winning approach to take. You can see what was included in it, if you want to.

    http://www.redstate.com/lineholder/wp-admin/post.php?post=333&action=edit

    Thanks to Obama and friends, people in our country have gotten their first real taste of where Liberalism/Progressivism/Socialism will lead us. They don’t want it. They want a strong America, both economically and socially. They want an America that is vibrant and inspirational, solid and persevering…with all the traditional elements of the American spirit and the “shining city on the hill” thrown into the mix.

    Talk about opportunities for our side!!! This shouldn’t be difficult! Just show how Conservatism is the best choice and how it protects and preserves those aspects of what the public wants! Emphasis Conservative principles first and foremost. Let voters choose Conservative vs. Liberal pertaining to policies for our nation’s future.

    In regards to Perry, from the very start, after hearing so many people talk about how strongly Conservative Perry is, I was hoping he would “bring it” and said as much more than once. Take the proverbial bull by the horns. Put Conservatism front and center. Be the standard bearer of where this nation goes from here with a Conservative leader at the helm. Present Conservatism as a cause against Liberalism, etc. Winning message at the right time. It just didn’t happen. Too much focus on TX. And it just isn’t Perry’s campaign style to be proactive. More the pity of it, too, because I think if he could change his approach a bit and expand his message, he could succeed in making that ever-intrinsic and somewhat undefinable “connection” with voters.

    And yes, I do think that “connection” will be important in this race, particularly in regards to enthusiasm going into the election in 2012. I wasn’t expecting Newt to be the one to succeed in this, but it looks as if that may turn out to be the case. I like the fact that he’s an idea person who looks more at problem resolution rather than trying to put band-aids on gaping wounds. He’s no stranger to the corruption of DC, which has proven to be both positive and negative in Newt’s case. If he chooses to, he can hold his own against the left and prove to a solid leader. Just a matter of keeping priorities in the proper context.

    I’m not entirely sold on Newt either, NT. There are things I like and dislike, but I’ve already made up my mind that if it comes right down to it, I won’t let the things I dislike get in the way of my own contribution to getting Obama out of office.

    • lineholder

      I know that the other candidates have presented economic plans to the public, but I am really hoping that one of them might consider leaving the door open to try to utilize portions of Kemp’s concepts pertaining to opportunity zones, NT. Considering the geographical demographics of unemployment in our nation, taking a targeted approach such as the one displayed in Kemp’s ideas is very much so appropriate (as compared to taking a broader approach). In the context of potential, it has greater potential to decrease unemployment thereby decreasing dependency on social welfare programs. More than one way to skin that proverbial spending cat (No offense to acat intended, LOL).

      • Xasteius

        Who defines the criteria for ‘opportunity zones’? You’ll see a massive lobbying effort by everyone to get their city labeled as an ‘opportunity zone’. People on the outside will resent the special privileges of those granted on the inside.

        We have 50 ‘opportunity zones’ (plus assorted territories) in this great country. Granted, we elect the leaders of these, and quite a few are the south end of a northbound donkey. Better to elect leaders that promote freedom and opportunity than coming up with another ‘program’ for the ‘war on poverty employment.

        With regards to Rick Perry, I was disappointed with him last night. There were several times I thought he could have made a few extra points if he had risen above the petty squabbling more than once.

        Granted, I still support him and will vote for him, but I’m just saying.

        • lineholder

          opportunity zones. With the amount of corruption we have in DC, who gets the power to define opportunity zones makes it a free-for-all power struggle.

          But I do like the idea of going with something more targeted. I think it’s more in line with what our country needs at the present time. If not Kemp’s original idea of opportunity zones, then perhaps something even better. And as strange as it may sound coming from a Conservative, if it could lower spending and debt in the long run, it wouldn’t bother me in the least to go with some private sector/public sector co-op ideas either.

          The idea of reducing welfare dependency scares the wits out of the left, because it undermines their entire agenda. They should be afraid of it, Xasteius. If we ever find a way to succeed in even that much, it could totally alter the context of spending and debt.

          I do get more than a bit frustrated with Repubs sometimes because they continuously go with the variations of same old same old, and what may have been feasible twenty years ago isn’t necessarily feasible or suitable now.

  • azaeroprof

    After a few months of cooldown, I have been contemplating a return to posting here at RS (I resisted mostly because I didn’t feel like getting into arguments with some here whose Perry-colored glasses rival those of the worst of my fellow Palinistas).

    After reading your diary, I realize that it is completely unnecessary for me to post anything, as you basically wrote my diary for me! Virtually every word you wrote is exactly as I believe. The only differences are that you started with Pawlenty, I started with Palin, and unlike you, I have watched pretty much all the debates. I, too, expected Perry to be my guy, but have arrived at the same station as you. But not officially “decided” yet either.

    Thanks!

    • lineholder

      Just couldn’t make that final break, huh? Me neither. Just because of circumstances, I’ve had to take some time away, and it did me a world of good where my viewpoint was concerned!!

      Make sure you’re here for the general, though, okay?

      • azaeroprof

        Wouldn’t miss the general for the world.

        Time away did wonders. And in case anyone wonders, I was never depressed, despondent, or destroyed by Palin’s decision. Disappointed, yes. And I’m thankful to her for delaying her announcement enough that I delayed jumping on the Perry bandwagon too hard.

        • acat

          Good to see you again.

          Shall we talk about who Palin’s going to endorse?

          (I kid! I kid!)

          Mew

          • azaeroprof

            Good to see the one person who can make me temporarily forget how much I hate cats! :)

            Seriously, I have only a passing interest in who Palin endorses. I have no intention of following her lead just because it’s her. Though I’m hoping she endorses the same person I’m leaning towards.

            Funny, I noticed when I posted my first comment above that some “jokester” (obviously Neil) had replaced the RedState Strike Force logo in my signature with a “NO PALIN” image. Had to chuckle, though I did find it a bit more sophomoric than I would expect from RedState. Must dream up new signature.

            Look forward to more discussions with you!

          • acat

            Glad you’re back for the battle.

            Mew

  • goodgovernance

    serving as Obama’s ambassador to China. Why is that such a problem? When the president of the United States calls upon you to serve, as long as it’s not a purely political position (such as campaign supervisor) you ought to seriously consider answering that call.

    It’s not like our troops get to decide whether or not they want to risk their lives based upon whether or not the president is a Republican or Democrat.

    Yet the rest of us can just refuse the president if we don’t like him or his policies, no matter the circumstances? If say, Obama called upon any of us to help out our fellow citizens in the aftermath of a hurricane, are good Republicans supposed to say, “No, Mr. Obama. If we helped you out now, that might help people like you more and I would prefer to let other Americans die than help you in any way”? That’s ridiculous.

    As Republicans, we take notions such as duty, honor, and service seriously. We don’t just pay lip service to the concepts the way the Democrats so often do. Huntsman, with his abilities and knowledge of China, went to serve as ambassador on behalf of the country because his president asked him to, and Huntsman viewed the situation in those terms. Should he have let some incompetent Leftist take the job instead? How would that have helped the US?

    • azaeroprof

      I have to wonder what this race would look like if Huntsman hadn’t gotten bum advice to run as the anti-Conservative MSM darling.

      • goodgovernance

        I suppose the thinking must have been that everyone else was running hard right, including Romney, so Huntsman thought the only place to go and get some space for himself was in the moderate direction.

        Which might actually work in New Hampshire. The question is though, what does he do after that? In South Carolina, and Florida?

        Maybe the thinking was everyone (Perry wasn’t in when he launched, remember) would implode except for Romney, and Huntsman would be the last alternative standing, the guy who could pound Romney for being a phony.

  • Change Jar Conservative

    Perry is now saying that the back surgery did hamper him during the first few debates.

    If so, that’s good to know and now he can get on with the business of winning.

    Here’s hoping that the Iowa bus tour does wonders for him and he can pull off the win or at least a close second in Iowa.

    • savagejim48

      Agreed, I think Perry was not ready to run but, knew he had to jump in or it may be too late. I honestly think he would have been better off waiting until October or November so, he would be ready. It didn’t go that way. Hopefully, he gets back on track in Iowa. Otherwise, it looks grim for him.

  • Remington_Steele

    I appreciate your explanation and I understand the logic. Thanks for taking the time to elaborate. This year is very easy to get sucked into grading candidates on the curve as per some comments above. I’m unhappy with the field, but it is our field.

  • fredhayek

    I love your story and analysis, keep it up!

  • Flagstaff

    “If he is elected, I?ll probably buy stock in television sets and shoes, because I?m pretty sure the demand for both will increase.”

    It’s probably going to happen no matter who gets elected.

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