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By: nocontest (Diary)  |  January 16th, 2012 at 11:20 PM  | 

RESIZE: AAA

In my opinion Newt aced it and Romney earned a respectable second place. The others I think are on their way out except for Paul.

Newt really shows why he is the better candidate especially against Romney who despite his success does not seem to know what he believes in yet.

Perry I think will bow out next week. I don’t think the Danny Pearl comment worked at all and I’m sure many cringed at that as well as listening to the hunting adventures of Romney. Just not believable which is a problem for him.

 

Paul of course only added to his problems by saying he would have preferred to have take Osama Bin Laden alive.

I think Newt won the battle but may lose the war because of Romney’s momentum but we will see.

Santorum made a few good points but I think he lacks the exposure to really get his message out. We really need more debates so that we can compare candidates rather than from the talking heads.

I really hope Newt stays in and at the very least sharpens up Romney for the barrage of negative ads coming his way as the presidential nominee.

Huntsman dropping out has really left me frustrated simply because I don’t think some these candidates even think they have a chance of becoming President and will fold at the earliest moment.

 

Tonight has given me hope that the coronation can at least be postponed and I think everyone wins if this goes on much longer.

 

Cheers

 

 

 

 

 

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  • quill67

    He really knows how to demolish liberals.

    • mikeymike143

      and that egomaniacal loon may stay in the race until the end, but he wont end up winning a single state. republcians tend to dislike racists

      • Common_Cents

        operation Paul chaos

        • mikeymike143

          that racist loon paul winning anything sets our party way back.

          • beric

            Seeing as Paul won’t win the nomination, every state Paul takes is one that Romney doesn’t, thus giving our anti-Romney more votes for the long haul.

          • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

            It weakens the GOP as a whole.

            It helps nominate ROmney, the least conservative candidate.

            It weakens the race overall.

            It splits the GOP.

            All bad for GOP … ergo, helps Obama.

          • beric

            Doesn’t a vote for Romney weaken the GOP? It’s what I’ve been hearing for the past year.

            Any vote that’s not for Romney splits the GOP, granted. But do we, as conservatives, care about the GOP that much? Aren’t we trying to make it more conservative, not more moderate? Delegates thrown to Ron Paul, a candidate who will “not be the nominee”, rather than to Romney, buy the anti-Romney more time, meaning that the GOP will have a better chance at nominating a conservative. And I think that’s something we can all be behind.

        • clowngirl

          for voters who don’t want to vote for Romney or Paul.

          I’m sure that would be pretty difficult (probably even more than I am thinking) but even if the votes couldn’t count for delegates — doing it as a protest could still be an important symbolic victory.

          But — probably not doable.

          It’s possible though that Newt will have so much momentum at that point that VA’s primary won’t wind up mattering.

  • avagreen

    when he compared that to the hatchet job the present WH is doing to those marines.

    I think I even heard a few cheers in the back…..

    Maybe we saw a different debate.

    • pj2012

      because I heard lots of cheers and people applauding.

      I’m so tired of the spin and black out on fox toward Perry. I have to go to CNN to get the truth… what have things come to?

      I bet no one watching Fox today heard that Romney had very small crowds today. I saw it on CNN, it looked like 50 people in a large room roped off for a much larger crowd. Which made it look worst because they didn’t get the numbers they were expecting. The reporter said it wasn’t normal for Romney to get such small crowds as they are good at getting the word out. It’s probably due to the poor debate he had. That tax thing will be a killer for him.

      I hope Perry stays in past SC and beyond. I’m not giving up on him. Newt was on his way out back in June or July and it took him until late Nov. (4+ months) before people forgave or forgot… whichever the case. Hey… that means Perry’s due for his second wind… hang-in there Gov… we’ve got your back.

  • beric

    But as one of the commentators said at the end of the debate: a vote for Perry is a vote for Romney.

    Gingrich is the anti-Romney in this race. I’ve seen it for 4 months. Delaying switching to Gingrich only makes Romney’s even win more sure. If Santorum and Perry dropped out, we’d have Gingrich 1st, Romney 2nd, Paul 3rd in South Carolina.

    As much as I’ll vouch for Perry’s conservative record,it’s time to move on. Perry’s not becoming the frontrunner, or even 3rd, in SC. And as such, all he’s doing is being a spoiler for more conservative alternatives to Romney, and giving Romney the win.

    • avagreen

      You were deafened by the applause that Perry got…………so you can be excused for the temporary brain damage you have.

      Silly rabbit………..

      Take two aspirins and drink lots of water.

      • beric

        We can’t be idealists any longer here, guys. The longer we support Perry the more irrelevant we become. I’m being a pragmatic, yes, but deny my logic. Tell me how Perry, who hasn’t polled on RCP above 10% for 2 months, is somehow going to take the nomination from Romney.

        Or you could take off your blinders and recognize the only chance we have left.

        • nocontest

          Time to shift gears and rally behind Newt.

          • Common_Cents

            you could tell SC is very enthusiastic about Newt. First standing ovation in debates.

            It is time to think with our brains about reality now, and less of our hearts and what we’d like in a perfect world, at this point.

            I think gingrich will get a boost and some surprise endorsement this week, but will still be tough to beat romney when gingrich is splitting the vote w/ others.

          • nabell87

            I think that’s great that you are voting on your principles and you make that known. Perry is your guy. But we can’t be naive and forget that this is ultimately a numbers game. In the end this thing IS going to have one winner and a bunch of losers. If the field stays as it is now the vote is too fragmented and the winner is going to be Romney. With the reality being what it is, having a Paul or a Santorum drop out might be the only way to drop Romney. You can stand on the stump advocating for your candidate all day long if you wish, but if you are in the someone else but Romney camp like many of us are than hoping for a drop out here or there is a completely legitimate strategy. Gingrich has performed outstanding at every debate and arguably seems to best havewhat it takes to knock Romney off his high horse. Is say switch it up and lets back ONE non Romney and it seems evident Gingrich shoul be that guy, otherwise you can ride the 8% er Perry all the way to Romney’s acceptance speech.

          • No Longer For Perry

            I believe your stats for Perry may be a bit high. Nationally, he is at 6.5 percent. How the mighty have fallen!

          • nocontest

            It is something we all go through at one time or another and that is saying goodbye to our 1st choice and it doesn’t get any easier but the reality of the situation means we have to make hard choices and I feel for anyone who goes through it. Especially when its me lol
            What is the end game? What can we live with? What are the consequences?

          • nocontest

            and that was a nice change. God knows if we can’t get excited about our candidate how can we expect anyone else to?
            Thanks Common cents

          • Common_Cents

            The rest are in single digits or close to single digits. Dead campaigns walking.

            If there is any chance for a non romney, it is Gingrich only. Newt’s only solid chance is to get consolidation in SC.

        • http://www.timothy-bladel.com/ center77

          I hate to be blunt, but this is how I see it. Newt has way to much baggage to work with, and even though Romney does to, it is Newt that has a shady past. No one can really question whether Romney was ever found guilty of ethics violation. I suspect most of the country is sick of the scandal plagued Washington. Newt is the very picture of the corrupted congress. I

          • hls87

            In presidential politics, Romney is something and Gingrich is nothing. Some of us may wish it were otherwise, but it isn’t. Trying to stop Romney with Gingrich is like trying to stop a .50 caliber bullet with paper mache body armor. It’s not gonna happen.

        • avagreen

          unless you are in complete denial.

          • jakeofalltrades

            The others were not as loud or sustained in their applauses.

          • WillWong

            we can certainly make the case of Bachmann and Hunstman staying in as well.

            At this point, I must say that money or the lack of it was the difference between Bachmann leaving and Perry staying (not talking about their policies).

            If the objective is to stop Romney and hence Obama….it is a fair question whether Perry should bow out or not. Ditto Santorum but knowing Sntorum….he won’t because his ego will not allow him to quit….not after the Evangelicals just told him he is their guy!

    • paladin1

      I will give your advice the due consideration it deserves as I send Governor Perry another contribution.

      • beric

        Recognize how your check could have been even more effective if you just skipped the middleman (Perry) and just sent it straight to Romney.

        Sorry to rain on the party, but Perry’s not going anywhere.

        Go ahead and tell me the facts. I’m not even concerned about electability in the general anymore. Just about why Perry has even a 1% chance of beating Romney. I’m a young (21) conservative who likes to believe he listens to reason. I’m not the biggest fan of Romney. And while I won’t deny Perry’s conservative record, he no longer has a chance at the nomination. Even if Newt dropped out now, those voters aren’t all going over to Perry.

        Newt’s our chance, guys. Every day other candidates stay in the race, Romney only further locks up the nomination. Even Paul’s support base is growing. And Paul also steals some from the not-Romney vote. But Perry’s.not going up. Check the data.

        • paladin1

          of your interesting monologue last night but I have a job and have to be up at 4:00 AM so I could not stay to play.

          I have read through the threads here and have to say I am amused. First, you challenge people to “tell you the facts” however you then accept Gov. Perry’s conservative credentials and dismiss them rather cavalierly.

          You say, “Delegates thrown to Ron Paul, a candidate who will

          • forgiven

            I so agree with your post Paladin1. I would love to see the support for Gingrich given to Perry and then Gingrich made either secretary of state or VP. Go Perry

          • nocontest

            Very thoughtful piece on Gov. Perry Paladin1 If Perry is as good as you say he is and I have no reason to doubt it.

            Then why isn’t he doing better? If he isn’t getting the exposure then why?
            What happened in Virginia? Why is he one of the candidates who didn’t understand the rules?

            I think Romney could learn something from Perry in regard to being himself.
            I found Perry very easy to listen to but something tells me he needs to do some travelling and gain some International experience. If he did that I think he could go up against anyone and win.

            In my opinion this year has been a practice session for some of the past and present candidates for future elections or something to throw on the resume to gain influence.

          • nocontest

            Monmouth 1/12-1/15

            33% Romney 22% Gingrich 14% Santorum 12% Paul 6% Perry 4% Huntsman

            We Ask America 1/15

            26% Romney 21% Gingrich 13% Santorum 8% Paul 5% Perry 4% Huntsman

            Insider Advantage/Newsmax 1/15

            32% Romney 21% Gingrich 14% Paul 13% Santorum 6% Huntsman 5% Perry

            Ipsos 1/10-1/13

            37% Romney 16% Paul 16% Santorum 12% Gingrich 6% Perry 3% Huntsman

            Also national polls from Fox News: 40% Romney 15% Santorum 14% Gingrich 13% Paul 6% Perry 5% Huntsman

            and CNN: 34% Romney 18% Gingrich 15% Paul 15% Santorum 9% Perry 4% Huntsman

            Gallup also shows 37% Romney 14% Gingrich 14% Santorum 12% Paul 5% Perry
            Thanks to Ender for the numbers please recommend his diary

          • avagreen

            Even after his good debate last night, you know how many times his name was mentioned in the after debate discussion?

            Zero.

            Fox is where most people who call themselves “conservatives” watch TV (or at least they did…..I think this election has shown their dirty slip showing under their taffeta skirts).

            That’s why I’m joining the phone-calling team to tell the truth to those that are being so mislead and ill-informed.

          • nocontest

            I can’t imagine why anyone thinks he has a chance no matter how good a guy he is. He will be out by this time next week if he doesn’t do well is the great state of South Carolina.

            Kudos to him for posting on Redstate

      • quill67

        Perry has redeemed himself. We can’t waste our vote in SC this year because Romney (opposed Reagan, Opposed Forbes Tax cut spending 50K of his own money to stop, Pusing states to adopt their own RomneyCares)

        But his redemption will allow him to move legislation in Texas and I can’t wait to see what he can do!

    • whobeen

      When they were on the subject of Osama bin Laden I could not believe that they all think that Obama got bin Laden…what a bunch of fools! Osama bin Laden was murdered back in 2001 according to Benazir Bhutto who has since been assassinated herself. Obama has no proof of killing bin Laden…none , zero, zilch !!!

  • paladin1

    so how you can discount him so cavalierly is beyond me. The Pearl commentery go great notice and was heartfelt. The audience knew it and reacted well. Not a Perry fan, are we??? Hmmmm???

    • beric

      If Perry drops out, Gingrich might beat Romney in South Carolina. Most Perry supporters have Gingrich as their second choice. The reverse is not true.

      We’re discounting Perry not because he didn’t debate well. IMO he did the second-best of anyone. I liked almost 100% of what he said. But as much as I agreed with what he said, right now I want a candidate who can beat Romney (even more than I want a candidate who can beat Obama). And Perry’s simply not the guy. I’m willing to consider evidence to the contrary.

      • shinglejim

        rears its ugly head once again.

        So paladin1 prefers Perry and by your own admission he did the second best tonight. Yet, paladin1 should not vote his principles but should change his mind to vote for your guy? Just because it may help another guy you don’t like from winning.

        This is why our primary system is broken. IA and NH give us silly scenarios like this.

        • gekster

          To many vote the polls insted of principle.
          They want to say they picked the winner, insted of standing on beliefs they claim to have, which to me means they never had those beliefs to begin with.

          • shinglejim

            Never wrote a diary at RS before, but got fed up with the “get in line” argument and the Perry is attacking capitalism argument. Now I have two diaries and I’ve found it to be a nice stress reliever.

        • carolynr

          I disagree with you. Again…two different standard. Perry said that the Marine should be punished and also explained that these were 18-19 men who lacked judgment.

          However…THERE IS ONE BIG FAT DIFFERENCE BETWEEN their actions and that of a televised beheading of an innocent.

          If the military is what my grandparents (career) my father (WWII) and my husband (Vietnam) remains with the same code of ethical behavior…these soldiers will have consequences.

          BTW…did we do anything about Daniel Pearl?

          • lizzie

            “…a piece of legislation that will do nothing for anyone. And certainly not for freedom of the press.

            In his tiny talk, Obama said almost nothing.

          • nocontest

            Thanks for the interesting comments Carolynr I think the crowd was applauding simply because Perry went after Obama.

            Only the military knows what we did concerning Mr. Pearl’s murder.

            Thanks again

          • pttx333

            Governor Perry.

            As for “did we do anything about Daniel Pearl?” – I really don’t give a big rip. Whatever, however, if we did anything (and I’ll bet we did!) it was only fitting and proper. Can you imagine Pearl’s family having to even hear of his manner of death, much less know it was filmed??? No, nothing is “too much” in the way of retaliation.

            My granddaughter is in the military, and Governor Perry is the only one of the candidates who WILL take every precaution to keep her safe from harm and provide our military with only the best and finest equipment to defend themselves.

      • pttx333

        Okie dokie – your choice – be a serial candidate hopper jumping from one to another according to polls. You can do what you wish, but just exactly why are you following Perry supporters around telling us this crap?

        • beric

          In the slightest bit. I decided I liked Newt best 3 months ago. Before that, I was undecided. I never caught the Perry craze. I never caught the Bachmann craze.

          I also told you what I think is wrong with Perry supporters. Your vote for Perry = a vote for Romney. Be an idealist all you want. Stick for Perry until the nomination day. But then you must accept that you helped give Romney the nomination.

          • pttx333

            So do I. But why do you purposely go to supporters of other candidates with your trash talk about their choice. Do you not think that folks should be left alone and be happy with their choices? You are extremely rude and obnoxious … and I’ll leave it right there.

          • beric

            I made a direct challenge that Perry has no chance of winning, and that we need to rally behind Newt or accept that Romney has the nomination. I also said I’m open to logic, reason, and facts pointing out otherwise, but not to weak-minded idealism. I’ve yet to see a single argument refuting my point, which I’d be happy to listen to, if you (or anyone else) has something to offer for us pragmatics in the GOP.

            Sure, we conservatives are idealists. We have to be. But we also want action and accomplishment. Right now, if something doesn’t change, the conservative vote will stay fractured, and Romney will coast to the win. I don’t think most people on this site want that. Supporting Perry was fine 4, even 2 months ago. But IMO it’s too late now.

            I’ll admit I’m personally excited about Newt, and like him as a candidate who’s charismatic and debates well. But that’s not why I’m supporting him. I’m supporting him because I think he has the best chance to defeat Romney, Obama, and execute real change in America.

          • sulmak

            When your first choice drops out.

      • hls87

        He hasn’t got a presidential resume, mind or personality. His presidential campaign will enhance his career as a bloviator/influence peddler, but he isn’t really in the game. Rich girls don’t marry poor boys and Americans don ‘t hire Presidents from among the ranks of former members of the House who had their shot at national leadership 15 years ago and muffed it.

        Gingrich could win South Carolina in a walk and he still wouldn’t be in the game. It wouldn’t mean any more than Santorum’s tie in Iowa. Like Santorum, he lacks the stature to be a serious candidate and, if he’s the anti-Romney, Romney will win. If Perry is indeed finished, so is all hope of stopping Romney. Perry, Huntsman and Pawlenty were the only plausible candidates to challenge Mitt in this cycle. Once they’re all gone, he’ll waltz to the nomination.

        That’s political reality. Even if Gingrtich could win, however, he wouldn’t be a step up on Romney. He is every bit as tied to the progressive establishment as Mitt is. He’s spent most of his career trying to package left-wing ideas (global warming, universal health care coverage) for resale to conservatives. Gingrich is a hopeless candidate and he’d be a useless President if he could win, which he can’t.

        Unless Perry can come back from the dead Mitt will be the nominee, the GOP will be securely in the progressive camp for the forseeable future, the bipartisan consensus about the purposes of government that has dominated DC for a century will remain in control, and the country will be well and truly screwed. Boosting Newt’s Potemkin candidacy serves no practical purpose.

      • Common_Cents

        Elect the most conservative candidate who can win. Gingrich is now the man for this time.

        Romney exposes his glass jaw every single time he is confronted. The media/establishment is going to try and spin that romney already has it wrapped up and its too late for anyone else. It’s almost true but there is a short window here. That same media will tear romney apart if he is nominated.

      • lizzie

        I did, and so did Bryan Preston at pjmedia.com, whose debate analysis is very insightful:

        http://pjmedia.com/tatler/2012/01/16/debate-score-romney-on-the-goal-line/?singlepage=true
        “…A few scattered takeaways from the debate: Romney agrees with Perry more often than any other candidate on policy. I counted four times Romney used some variation of

        • romansdaughter

          He noticed that when watching the debates and had a suggestion on doing an advertizement on that for Team Perry.

    • pttx333

      comment down from yours. May give you a hint or two.

      • nocontest

        What I said is that it is in everyone’s interest that this doesn’t turn into a coronation. I believe at least a few will fold and Ron Paul will not within the next
        few weeks. Obviously I think someone will win but not Ron Paul and until tonight I though it would be Romney without a doubt but after the reaction newt got tonight who knows. Go Newt More debates pleaseeeeeeeee.

        • nocontest

          This is why debates matter even though some are ignored at times.

    • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

      Gingrich and Perry were both at their top of their game.

      Santorum did well too, and had some good answers.

      Romney was too often babbling, but had a few good lines and responses.

      Ron Paul did the worst. He had two or 3 real stumbling answers.

  • pttx333

    You state that Newt aced it (but can’t win), Romney was second (but won’t win) and the rest will fold except for RON PAUL???????

    • nocontest

      You should take your time and really read through it>

      • nocontest

        Where I did I say in my diary that Newt can’t win?

        • pttx333

          You said that Newt probably wouldn’t win against Romney – implication being he can’t win, no other way to take that one. Unless you would like to rephrase it in some way.

          I did read it, nocontest!

          • beric

            I’m still not certain that even Newt, the only potential anti-Romney left, can win against Romney. Particularly the longer Santorum and Perry stay in, his chances lessen. But Perry CAN’T beat Romney. His ship has sailed, his opportunity lost.

          • pttx333

            have had the maximum amount of time that I can swallow. You have your opinion, I have mine. DO NOT KNOCK ME FOR MINE!!!!!

            Goodbye….

          • beric

            This is a conservative site, about conservative issues. We’re discussing who, as conservatives, we want for the GOP nomination, using logic, reason, and facts. I present logical arguments which counter yours, and would be happy to listen to what you have to say to counter those arguments. Instead, you tell me “not to knock you for your opinion”. What about defending your opinion yourself, based on facts and logic? Your lack of being able to defend yourself makes me think your opinions may not have been based on logic in the first place.

          • gekster

            I’ll spell it out for you.
            If Romney couldn’t beat a loser like McCain, who couldn’t beat Obama last election, what makes you think Romney can beat Obama now.

          • beric

            I’ve never been a Romney advocate, ever. I support the anti-Romney candidate, whoever it may be. I suggested that a vote for Perry was a vote for Romney. I happen to believe Newt has the best chance at beating Obama. I’ve never believed Romney had a good chance.

          • nocontest

            You should know by now that facts don’t work with some people. lol
            Keep up the good fight your comments are refreshing and well thought out. Cheers

          • lizzie

            Turkey, the country, is really going after Rick Perry for his suggestion that Turkey’s membership in NATO needs to be questioned, altho weasel-FM Davotoglu is mostly slamming Perry for saying Turkey is now ruled by “Islamic terrorists”.

            Turkey was allowed in NATO because of geography and the Cold War, atthe time NATO was created.

            I have been wanting since 2010 a serious dialog about whether Turkey should still be in NATO.

            Turkey tried to invoke the UN’s Responsibility to Protect doctrine (used in Libya) to get NATO to join in Turkey’s repeated violation of Iraqi Kurdistan’s sovereignty – a failure, but Obama is still Turkey-coddling.

            Turkey is a very complex issue, but Perry was SPOT ON.

            If for no ther reason than the US Navy can NO LONGER have port visits in Turkey. Last one was a debacle, overwhelmed by prostesters, disrespected by PM Erdogan. Not widely reported, and I apologize for not providing the URLs of the reports at the time.

            Turkey is trheatening war against Cyprus and Israel for offshore natural gas fields (being developed by Texas’ Noble Energy)

            Thing is, now when the US Navy needs a port visit in the Eastern Med, they go to Haifa, Israel. Our squids and jarheads love being able to enjoy Haifa, and get time to visit Jerusalem.

            Perry is prescient and extremely well informed on this.

            The reason he said Turkey was ruled by “Islamic terrorists” is because Erdogan supported the IHH boat on the 2010 Gaza Flotilla, where the IDF was ambushed by known Islamic terrorists. Not to mention Erdogan’s war against Turkey’s journalists and military, and war crimes against Iraqi Kurdistan.

            I do not know why Romney agreed with Perry four times last night – except to try to borrow some of Perry’s authenticity.

            But, I do know Rick Perry is going to wind up a very powerful voice for America.

            in breaking news, Mrs. Pelosi says Romney can not win against Obama – first true thing she has said since I became aware of her :)

            the snow awaits my shovel-

          • nocontest

            I think Newt won the battle but may lose the war because of Romney

  • pttx333

    Besides, I make up my own mind and could care less what the polls say, what the debates are – I do not choose by either debates or polls. How many presidents have ever had to go debate anyone? Zero. I DO require that any debate be fair to each and every candidate, but I sure don’t see that happening.

    As for Newt, he did a magnificent job tonight as he always does – he can nail a person to a cross in short order. But for me he lacks some of my requirements, even though he has positives also. But I’ll hang with Perry through the long haul – he is going on and will not fall to the ditches. He is not a quitter.

    • nocontest

      You stick with your candidate through thick and thin. I admire that. Cheers
      I have to go to work now.

    • weyland

      I do not think that means what you think it means, snuggles! Time to read up on your idioms!

      • pttx333

        Who in the hell are you and what do you want? You are despicable!

        • weyland

          to learn idiomatic English a little better. The correct phrase is “I couldn’t care less”, meaning I care as little as possible. If you say “I could care less”, then you care more than the bare minimum — which isn’t the case, surely?

          One of my pet peeves, snookums.

          • redmymind

            The comma is always placed INSIDE the closing quoatation marks.

            Don’t let that stop you from being an ignorant bully. It’s good entertainment, after all.

          • weyland

            …in British English it appears outside (I happen to be ethnically British, although I am a US Citizen). Moreover, this is a matter of punctuation, not grammar.

            The Immortal Bard said it best: “Hoist with your own petard”.

          • redmymind

            Hate to break it to you, but punctuation is a subject matter proper to grammar. However, hiding behind your particular ethnic background–whatever it really happens to be–to evade the rules of proper usuage is just about what I would expect from defensive and insecure cowards like you.

          • avagreen

            The Immortal Bard said it best:

          • gekster

            Protest against US navy ship anchored in Bodrum

            excerpt:
            A group of Turkish Communist Party, or TKP, members protested against the United States Navy ship,

          • gekster

            //

          • lizzie

            May 2011. Hurriyet is the liberal media in Turkey, possibly being sued out of business by Erdogan.

            I never bookmarked the other press reports at the time – but, it was a bad few days for our sailors.

            The only port between Naples, Italy, and Mumbai, India where our US Navy can have a beer in peace is Haifa, Israel.

            I wish Gov. Perry had made a foreign policy/national security speech before this South Carolina primary. The debate sound bites have made him sound like a Bush43 neocon, but Perry is not – far more nuance, lost in the media jumble.

            The perils of NOT spending five years running for the Presidency!

          • weyland

            …I’m writing in British English. Comprehension isn’t your strong point, is it?

          • gekster

            We don’t press 2 for British.
            And a little comprehension on your part would see that. ;)

          • redmymind

            Does that mean you drive on the left side of the road here in the U.S.? Yikes! As for “ad hominem,” that assumes personhood on your part. That would be too big an assumption, if not a flat out joke. LOL!

          • avagreen

            Has he/she said anything of import, yet?

            The last one that attacked pttx333 was one of the sockpuppets of joshdunn.

            Now, it will be my turn, I’m sure.

          • redmymind

            Not much at stake hiding behind their little keyboards, after all, hoping to somehow make up for their maladjustment.

          • redmymind

            I don’t think this cowardly creep likes being put on the defensive very much. But he, she, or IT sure didn’t mind bullying our dear sister, pttx333. I harbor a singular distaste for bullies . . . especially stupid ones, though I must concede that they do provide pretty good entertainment value every time they get all thin-skinned, all bent out of shape, and then somehow attempt to “argue” back.

          • pttx333

            Boy, was I livid in the wee hours this a.m. These two were tag-teaming me and, as far as I could tell, only because I support Perry. They are despicable creatures who slither around thinking they’re making some sort of headway – exactly what headway is a mystery to me! These particular ones appear to be paulies (maybe dems) trying to take out Perry, along with a lot of other groups whose goal is the same. I just took some Tylenol PM and went to dreamland – it was either that or be thrown out of here. ;-)

            You two cute kids are just the mostest besterest friends a person could have! My brother and my sister – gee, that is nice! Thanks to you both!

          • redmymind

            You’re the greatest, pttx333! You’re my teacher and joyous, sweet encounter with wisdom. No reekin’ low-life nerd who obviously can’t even get a date with a calendar will ever take that away!

            Trolls and idiots are my specialty! Fancy one of these losers pretending to be a Brit, only to be corrected on proper grammar by, of all the folks here, . . . a Korean!!!!!!!!!! Hee, hee, hee, ho, ho, ho!!!!!!!

            Eeeeeeehaw, sister!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! LOL!!!

            Your faithful friend and protective little brother,

            Red

          • pttx333

            Bless your little pea-pickin’ heart, you know how to knock ‘em dead! I was a’fixin’ to truly have a hissy fit comparable to a volcanic eruption! Dear, you handle it with such skill, such knowledge (that I don’t have) to tongue-lash them to death! I laughed and whooped over it! Besides, I could claim to be a Brit since I would suppose I’m probably 75% Brit – or thereabouts. But I’m an “Amurican” – I’m from here, not there.

            Believe it or not, I DO know that “could care less” is not correct, but here in Texas, we say lots of things that we know to be incorrect, so they become colloquialisms without another thought about it.. If I “could care less” means that I do care so could care less. However, perhaps “I don’t give a big rip” might suit my style! How’s that?

            You’re a doll! Thanks, dear red, little bro of mine!

          • weyland

            …just an ad hominem.

            PS Your first sentence is lacking a subject. Hoist even higher!

          • jakeofalltrades

          • gekster

            :) :) :) :) :)

          • Bill S

            “PS” stands for something different than it does here. In the United States, “P.S.” contains periods, as it is an abbreviation for the Latin phrase “post scriptum.”

            I suppose you could have been referring to the process status Unix command or the abbreviation for Pferdest

          • avagreen

            Great!

          • redmymind

            as if that makes them any less creepy. Let’s just hope this one doesn’t start driving on the wrong side of the road! . . . Wow!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

          • weyland

            From http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/ps?show=1&t=1326834108:

            Definition of PS

            1 [New Latin postscriptum] postscript
            2 power steering
            3 public school

            I also note that ‘PS’ is not the Unix process status command; that would be ‘ps’. Keep on hoisting!

          • Bill S

            I don’t have to deal with you. You either calm yourself down and stop being such a pompous ass, or you’ll be shown the door. Generally I don’t ban people simply for being twits, but there is always an exception to the rule.

          • jakeofalltrades

            He’s managed to be more obnoxious than my persona on thedailywtf.com, which I created solely for the purpose of being obnoxious.

            And I haven’t even had a conversation with him IIRC.

          • weyland

            to be obnoxious. For you, it’s innate.

          • pttx333

            bet it is truly “something else!” ;-)

          • jakeofalltrades

            However, when I hire an incompetent programmer who lied to me about their experience (happens more than it should), their anonymized code inevitably is published there… for the world to ridicule. And then they’re fired.

          • pttx333

            picture of all the hook-ups in the floor, the concrete blocks, etc., I just lost it! Will be going back.

            Yep, I know about incompetent programmers. Back when I was still working at the firm, we regularly would have contract programmers to come in to design special databases for us in the war rooms. The on-site techies couldn’t devote the time we required to our projects, hence the need for contract types. Sure saw some lulus. There was one guy who pulled off his shoes and began to clip/clean his toenails as if he were in his very own bathroom!!! He was shown the door immediately. I’m dead serious about it – for tis true! So I can sorta relate to your issues.

          • jakeofalltrades

            That’s at least as gross as living brain fondu!

            You should write that up and submit it to thedailwtf.com!

          • pttx333

            who was a mechanic rebuilding an engine in their living room. We all laughed at his silly joke. Wellsir, she showed up one day to join him for lunch off-site, and we could do was stare! In walks this floozy type, bleached blonde, dirty blue jeans, a chain attached to a belt loop hanging down her leg, dirty work boots and a very low-cut tank top. He introduced her to us as if she were the Queen of England. Well, he was a good programmer and was around a while, but we never figured he was joking when he mentioned her after that! Ya never know what goes on behind closed doors, so to speak!

          • jakeofalltrades

            or really, really gross.

            Send pictures. ;)

          • pttx333

            some very good talents, the likes of which we had no way of knowing. ;-)

          • pttx333

            Went to your site for about 45 seconds just to scroll through and was laughing like a loon. Thank you for a place to go when I’m feeling down – now I know where to go for a quick cure!

          • jakeofalltrades

            I should say the site is primarily intended for software developers and database administrators, but it was funny for me when I didn’t know too much, as well.

            The commenters there are the most elitist nerds in the world. They’ve probably killed more egos than American Idol… but they’re funny about it.

  • carolynr

    Yes…I am a Perry support…and no…I will not choose anyone else over him. If he drops out…I will go with Gingrich. I will not vote for the hypocrite Santorum.

    Gingrich did well in the debates…but why did he get the standing ovation. Have you really thought about it? This country is sick and tired of gender divide, racial divide, economic divide…and every other divide that has been formulated by the Obama Administration. It was obvious with Juan Williams that not only did we have to acknowledge MLK…but it had to be about “Black” Americans. Go replay the debate…look at it s second time. Do you introduce yourself as a “White” American…NO. Voter ID cards have nothing to do with race…they have everything to do with the integrity of the voter..and the election. If you are a citizen…you vote. So…why does the Black community feel discriminated against because they are required to do the same as the rest of society that chooses to call itself…Americans? Because they have been brainwashed into that through process. They have been separated from society as a pawn for the Democratic Party. I would stand up for what he said…not because it was Newt…but because this is America…One Nation…Under God … Indivisible….
    with liberty and justice for all. Notice the word…Indivisible…what does that mean? …the rest…for all. It does not mean Black…you’re in this category….Yellow…you’re this…etc. This is why they stood up…THEY…like the rest of America are sick and tired of the division in this country along racial lines. Affirmative Action has more than given Black Americans a head start…and still they want more?

    Santorum…Go play the thing again…please. People are making judgment with regard to superficial action. OK…big Santorum showed his Alpha Male and pushed back against Romney. We all know the man is a flip flopper. Why did the woman at the Huckabee Forum ask the question…if it were not an issue. No…Santorum wanted to show his “strong” bona fides. But…did you catch all his spending comments? No…we all looked at his push back on Romney. He gave lots of hints on how he would put us further into debt. Tell you what…when you work in a manipulative field…you have to learn to spot the “spin” or you lose. Listen to it again…the guy is spending your money. Furthermore…we are considering a man with 14 years in the Senate and two in the House. What experience does he has. He is 1% of one House of Congress. I did this and I did that. I know what he did do….SPEND MY MONEY.

    Paul did poorly last night.

    Look at the twitter results after the program…who came in answering the questions (disregard Paul’s score because of the Paulbots)….Perry and Perry was on his game last night. Was he even mentioned…Nope…this is an inside game…and we are all following along…just like they want us to. Fox News had not one mention of Perry…not one. It was Santorum/Romney/Gingrich. Perry did better than Santorum in the debates. Did the crowd like Santorum’s mano o mano approach to Romney…yes…it wasn’t what he said..IT was how he stood up to him…because he put forth “their” dislike/distrust of Romney. We had a debate where these candidates picked fights with each other and made the same point over and over again…until I wondered if they were stupid AND the audience just ate it up. But when Perry did the same thing….he was breaking Reagan commandments. Oh how they do manipulate the public.

    Now for Romney….This was very, very bad for him. The man has a “tell”…I’ve said this before. He stutters when he lies or when he’s out of his so-called wheelhouse (area of his comfort) and doesn’t know the answers…he deflects AND HE STUTTERS. He, on twitter, lost in ALL CATEGORIES last night.

    This is the man that America, the MSM has decided to put up against Obama. If Perry can make him look bad…if Santorum can make him look bad…How will Chicagoland/WH do. What’s you guess?

    Notice who brought up the question of financials…it was Perry…who got the credit on Politico…Gingrich. They must have listened to a different debate…or they, Politico, have an agenda. What do you think?

  • nabell87

    Not Paul or Santorum

  • weyland

    Must I spell it out?

    http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2011/12/20/the-american-family-association-has-not-endorsed-newt-gingrich/#comment-60705

  • Spartan4Life

    It is his MO.