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The State of Conservatism

The state of conservatism is indeed, in real jeopardy.  Conservatives have NO viable candidate to espouse our views and promote our agenda.  Mr. Erickson has highlighted a growing concern of mine in his front page piece today; that the Republican Party is exploiting the conservative vote, money, and support, and is suborning our message through lip service but without effective execution.  For some time this was done quietly and with some attempt to cover the effects and even feed us the occasional “bone” to keep us pacified but now, given the ridiculous pronouncements of Romney as a “conservative” and the erratic performance of Gingrich as one, it may well be time, as Erick indicates, that the conservative movement must separate itself from the Republican Party.  For more proof, look at the way the Republican establishment and leadership has threatened, cajoled, and intimidated many of the 2010 freshman House members into going along with their weak and ineffective agenda by intimating that support and funding would be withheld during the next election cycle if they did not come into line.

The issue becomes, where to go or even, is there anywhere to go?  The nature of the Tea Party groups across the country is steeped in its desire for individual independence from each other.  That lack of unity, as seen by the disjointed support for various candidates, makes it very difficult for conservatives to move to the Tea Parties with any degree of ability to influence a Presidential election.  My local Tea Party group is very Ron Paul oriented and that has completely turned me off from support or attendance, particularly when one of the organizers and I had a very disagreeable conversation of Paul vs. Perry in which he was insistent that libertarianism was conservatism.  This is patently not so, but many Tea Party groups cannot make the differentiation.  Another Tea Party vulnerability is the co-option of some of the groups by the Republican Party.  It saw quickly, that the Tea Party movement was useful to keep together and under the party’s control and infiltrated some of them with big government ideologs positioned as leaders who have muted the conservative message and turned the organizations into a propaganda hub to keep the conservatives close to and subjective to, the Republican party.

While the Tea Party is not an answer, neither, in my opinion, is a third party.  A third party, even one made up of the vast majority of conservatives, will never be strong enough to wrest control away from either of the two major parties, especially since they seem to be growing more and more closely knit in their message and in their actions.  We have seen the failure of third parties and multiple parties over and over again in the political mix in this country, and we see the danger and instability of a coalition form of government as many European countries and Israel routinely have to form.  I can see no path to victory in any but regional or possibly state elections, for a third party.

So what do we do for 2012?  I agree with Erick that we are damaging the conservative movement by supporting candidates who espouse non-conservative ideas and who have exhibited time and time again, liberal policy executions when they held office.  Support for Romney will undo much we have accomplished and now seem so eager to give up.  Conservatives have proven to be a fickle lot of late; first by playing candidate hopscotch throughout this election cycle, until we managed to drive out every true conservative candidate we had because of one or the other of their perceived impurities to conservatism.  Now we find ourselves with the conservative cup empty; no candidate worthy of conservatism is left for us to support so we now quibble over the degrees of non-conservatism in the remaining candidates that we will accept in order to try and last until the next election cycle.  We have literally cut off every avenue of progress or escape with this incredible performance of stupidity, and I believe we may well have cut off our ability to have any impact in the next election cycle.  Waiting until 2016 is not and cannot be, a viable alternative.

So, where do conservatives go?  At present, I have no answer but I do recognize that we have reached a point in political life, where the existence of organized conservatism seems to be more endangered than in any other time I know of.  As they say in the bars here in Texas at closing time, “You don’t have to go home, but you can’t stay here”.  Where is home and where do we go?

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  • Scope

    would be for someone to define “conservatism.” The term has been bandied about now with no clear or real description of the philosophy. The idea of Reagan conservatism including all three legs of the stool, has been hijacked by some who would see the stolo fall over for missing one or two legs. Many, if not most, of the Tea Parties have adopted only fiscal issues as their goal, to the exclusion of any reference to the social or national security legs. I get it that the so-called Tea Parties came about because of being “Taxed Enough Already.” No wonder the Ron Paul people have tried to say that Paul is the father of the Tea Parties, he doesn’t want to address the other issues as they turn many people off. Don’t all three prongs of conservatism meld with one another? Isn’t that what Reagan tried to teach everyone?

    How do you define conservatism when Romney and his supporters will go to the mat trying to convince everyone that he really is a conservative. How do you define conservatism when Newt, in the past has gone all in for Global Warming, Individual Mandates, and according to revealed audio supported homeownership for all Americans, even when they couldn’t afford it? Ron Paul is no more a conservative than he is a Republican. He learned in the 80′s just how difficult it is to try to build, or run on any third party ticket, so he crawled back into the Republican ranks, just to further redefine what the conservative faction is, in his own words.

    Until there is some agreed upon definition of conservatism, by the masses, not the few who want to dilute it, will we even have any opportunity to judge which candidates are conservatives, or who fall under the moderate wing of the Republican party. Presently there is in fact a war going on between the factions. The country club republicans are, and have been doing all they can to marginalize the conservatives, as though we are the newly hatched bubonic plague.

    I understand EE’s sentiment that it may be time to move on beyond the Republican party. We don’t have the years and years to wait until we can clean the R membership up in the House and Senate. They are not going to willingly walk away, and they won’t go even if shoved out the door. I just read that the a bill in the Senate, to term limit members, failed big time. They are like trying to get rid of kudzu or stink bugs. How many more election cycles do we have to go through with fighting uphill battles against the incumbents with big warchests, and special interest money and support? If we manage to keep control of the House in 2012, does anyone believe that Boehner will not be the Speaker again? If we managed a majority win in the Senate, I’ve already read that McConnell is looking forward to being the Senate majority leader. Will anything really change until these guys pull a Byrd or a Kennedy?

    I don’t know what the answer is, but, one thing I do know, and I’m seeing it more and more every day, is that there are a growing number of voters that aren’t willing to pull those old dusty McCain nose plugs out yet again in 2012. If we all just keep getting in line, election after election, when will the country clubbers stop forming those lines, and then herding us all like sheep to within an inch of the cliff. With each passing day, Obama’s re-election seems more and more imminent, whether we get in line or not. The uppers still haven’t learned the definition of insanity.

    • paladin1

      so many people I know, who are “three leg conservatives”, are sick of holding their noses and voting to kill off conservatism one election at a time. We are being made more and more irrelevant each year as we give up our principles one leg at a time. We have to stop. We have to fight. The only problem is, fight from where? This is the issue we have to resolve–and quickly, before it is too late.

      • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

        instead of from the top down. While we certainly need to focus on the POTUS elections, as Cold Warrior has pointed out time and time again, real change will have to start at the local level. The GOP hasn’t made that process difficult by accident. We have to get out of the mindset that electing a conservative President is the answer to all of our problems. Sure, it would be a huge step, especially this time around, but the issues we’re facing didn’t crop up overnight, and we’re not likely to get rid of them overnight, either. It’s going to require perseverance and patience on our part. A commitment not just to vote conservative every 4 years, but to elect good folks at the local level and help shepherd them upward in a way that obligates them and makes them answerable to the conservatives who put them there rather than the GOP.

        • paladin1

          in this to some degree, although the emasculation of so many of the 2010 House conservatives has damaged the conservative strength we thought we had garnered. The leadership of both houses of Congress seems to have been able to reduce that presumed strength by nearly half. Then when people like Jason Chaffetz come out and not only endorse but actively campaign for someone like Romney, it seems to lend even more credibility to the question of whether or not we can make headway in time to save the country from the creeping nee’ galloping socialism we seem destined to be swallowed by.

          • steve962

            One of the reasons I pretty much stopped participating here was because of what I perceive as the changing definition of “conservative”, as much over the last few years as over the last few decades. I really hesitated to even jump in here, but the topic is one I’ve been chewing over for years, so I felt I needed to talk about it, even though I strongly suspect most people here are going to dismiss my point of view out of hand.

            When I was young, “conservative,” to me, meant more of a small government attitude. Not just in terms of money, but also in terms of power. Government should have just enough power and budget to perform it’s primary functions – keeping the country safe, civil, and free. Change for change’s sake was looked on with suspicion, but we were practical enough to know that the world changes. It was important to let it change *naturally*, and not try to social engineer it to make it conform to someone’s ideal. Activism was a dirty word.

            But in the 60s, 70s, and 80s, things changed. Social activism, on both sides, escalated greatly. Things which weren’t supposed to be part of our politics became rallying grounds for both parties, and we divided more deeply. And the definition of conservative started to change.

            Somehow, someone decided that social activism promoting religious positions was a “conservative” value. In retaliation for those “liberal” social activists trying to change things, the “conservative” social activists decided they needed to fight back using politics as a battleground. The 90s were when the lines were being drawn. I actually had a lot of respect for Newt Gingrich in the late 90s for reining in the social activists in the party, for as long as he did, even though it was that very action which most people now disliked about him.

            Once the Bush era started, though, the social activists effectively took over, and turned politics into a bar fight. All civility went away, and anyone who wasn’t a social activist was effectively pruned out of both parties. The last 6 years in Congress have been the most shameful behavior I’ve ever seen or even heard of.

            You’d think I might like the Tea Party, but when I realized it mostly consisted of social activists with a thin veneer of fiscal conservatism, I realized they were the worst possible thing to happen. Instead of focusing on getting government back down to size through gradual and natural change, they spent two years infighting and being obstructive, and caused more damage than they cured.

            It proved to me something that I’ve thought for years – you simply cannot be a social activist and an effective proponent of small government, because social activism, by it’s very nature, desires to *increase* the power of government.

            I, sadly, do not see any solution to this. Neither the Republicans or Democrats represent what they used to even as much as 20 years ago. They’ve changed. They’re no longer liberal or conservative. They’re activist. I stubbornly cling to my own view on conservatism, and maintain that activism, particularly social activism, has no place in it.

            But that puts me in a tiny minority nowadays, around these parts. I look at most of what is written here anymore and the social bias here has shifted so much in just the last few years. It’s not as egregious as many blogs on the left were four years ago, but it’s starting to get there. Maybe I’m part of the problem – seeing the changes, I stopped participating, and I’m sure many others did as well. It’s one reason I cling to my registration as a Republican, in the hope that my small voice can return some amount of reason to the party. But it’s a slim hope at best.

            Now that I’ve had my time on the soapbox, I think I’ll go back to lurking quietly now.

          • gabs

            You

          • acat

            is exactly what this country needs most, and what the statists (and nanny-statists*) infesting the GOP want least.

            Cold Warrior’s prescription will work, but it will also take time.

            In the meantime, for we must walk, chew bubble gum, and solve differential equations in our heads, we can also look at taking back some of our local Tea Parties from the Paulbots and worse that infest them… again, at the local level.

            Won’t be easy, though.

            Mew

          • paladin1

            Your comment is well reasoned and draws a coherent conclusion. While I agree with you to a great extent, I do believe that both social and fiscal activism is necessary to be a conservative and that social conservatism does not, in itself, mean big government and more government interference. By all means, please don’t get lost in the shadows, it is only when we speak up that anything changes. Thanks for reading my diary..

          • steve962

            I used to think it was possible for social conservatism to be compatible with fiscal conservatism and small government. For many years I’d compromise my social views in order to promote someone who might actually make a stand for smaller government…

            …But time and time again I was proven wrong as those people, without exception, abandoned small government principles in favor of promoting their social agenda. In the Bush era, they went from trying to hide this to being right out in the open, culminating in the Tea Party which was usurped by the social activists before it could even get up and running.

            (Funny that acat thinks they were usurped by the “Paulbots”. From where I’m standing, nobody in the Tea Party is, or has ever actually been, a small government conservative at all…)

            Maybe I’ll delurk a bit more often. We’ll see. But I doubt it.

          • keepcoolwithcoolidge

            I completely agree. One of my favorite people in Congress right now is Tom Coburn, but when he started complaining about Schindler’s list and nudity I was embarrassed. And look at Santorum. Didn’t he say that if state’s rights federalism failed to do what he wanted, he would try and use the national government instead?

    • keepcoolwithcoolidge

      That you think the real threat to the “3-legged stool” definition is from the TEA Party and fiscal conservatives. If memory serves, the TEA Party had to come about because 8 years of George W Bush almost left us deficit hawks without a party. It cuts both ways, the Tom Delay Republicans with Bush proved over and over again that the felt “deficits don’t matter,” by bailing out the airline industry and financial sector, earmarking up a storm,, turning a technical surplus into a,large deficit, expanding an unfunded welfare liability, nationalizing education and a host of other big government programs.

      I understand the value that the 3 legged coalition has towards the long term success of the Republican Party, but I don’t see how you can expect small government fiscal conservatives to not get a little miffed after a decade of marginalization by candidates like Bush, McCain, and now Romney.

      • Viet71

        It does not welcome principle.

        Hard to see, therefore, how principled conservatism makes deep inroads in politics. Those on the distant Left — those former Dems, as they describe themselves, who hate Barry — face the mirror image problem.

        Only real possibility for bringing principle into politics, IMO, is for leaders of the disaffected Right and disaffected Left to work together to try to find enough common ground to be an effective force against the corrupt status quo.

        IMO, the American voters would love to see such a coalition.

        • paladin1

          of the disaffected Right and Left, I see no way for that to ever come about. If the public would like to see it, it would only be to see the matter/anti-matter reaction of the mix.

          • Viet71

            The biggest issue (not the only issue, of course) dividing the two camps is abortion. Even some major Lefties like Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg are skeptical of Roe v. Wade.

            In any event, Reagan showed how to finesse the issue of abortion politically without caving on principle.

            Guns are definitely a possible area of common ground (I’m a lifetime NRA member, FWIW).

            More efficient, less intrusive government is definitely another possibile area of common ground. Here I’d point in particular to the recent Supreme Court decision striking down warrantless GPS tracking.

            The matter-anti-matter reaction you envision is, IMO, exactly what both camps would envision given the very successful propaganda ministry of the MSM in this country. I say, fight against the propaganda.

          • paladin1

            in any of the issues you named. You speak of the abortion issue and Ginsburg’s skepticism of Roe (which I have not heard of), but in her entire philosophical outlook, she is completely a big-government, nanny statist who supports every governmental power grab issue that comes before the court. Her admonition to the Egyptian parliament last week to avoid copying the US Constitution is an outrage for a jurist of any level, much less a sitting Supreme Court Justice, to espouse.

            Given the Komen outrage this week, how do you see compromise between the extreme Right and Left on abortion?

            And guns???…I am a Benefactor member of the NRA and have been a member of the organization since the Cincinnati overthrow in the 70′s. Forgive my skepticism, but in that time, I do not seem to remember the extreme left every being our friend on that issue at any time, nor offering any type of concession or compromise with the exception of John Dingle from Michigan, who has been a consistent supporter and even served on the Board.

            I just can’t see any hope in this union.

          • Viet71

            Jane Fonda (retch) was and maybe still is an NRA member. Lots of Dems, I’ve learned, own guns. Vermont, of all places, allows concealed carry without a permit. Just like Arizona.

            As for abortion, there is a middle ground: just repeal Roe v. Wade. IMO, that’s not an entirely unrealistic objective, assuming Barry is denied a second term.

    • naysayer

      “Don

  • Vegas_Rick

    I realize that supporting the Republican party will NOT advance the conservative cause. I’m being told to think about the Supreme Court nominees Obama will nominate. I’m told to think about how much further our country can decline under Obama for four more years.

    But I look at our remaining crop of candidates and I don’t see a conservative. I hear conservative platitudes and promises. But upon investigation, each candidate has a history that invalidates and refutes those conservative protestations. And when I look at Romney, I honestly don’t see much difference from Obama.

    Geoffrey Norman has an excellent piece over at American Spectator called the Last Republican.

    http://spectator.org/archives/2012/02/03/the-last-republican

    His article, along with your diary, express my dismay more clearly than I can.

    • paladin1

      and actions in the past are much better predictions that speeches and platitudes today. You hit on my feelings exactly – “Dismay” at where we are and what seems to be happening to the conservative movement.

      • gabs

        You’re gonna get clobbered, but you are NOT alone.

        • dajeeps

          “it may well be time… that the conservative movement must separate itself from the Republican Party.”

          There was a time when saying something like this here was grounds for immediate zotting. It’s nice to know I’m not alone in my disgust of how the primary process is playing out. If you haven’t heard it, you might want to listen to Mark Levin’s show from Thursday 2/2. He ripped into Romney and the Rombots coming out trying to rationalize RomneyCare, among other things. Here we see the mask slipping, and it’s quite ugly underneath. I don’t have any answers for what to do or where to go. I’ve heard rumors about some stuff that might be coming down the pike this summer, but I can’t really talk about it now because they are just rumors.

          All hope isn’t lost, though. It’s a setback, but not insurmountable. It took Reagan 12 years to get in. When he finally got in, they (the “establishment”) didn’t want him, they had to be pushed and threatened with scorched earth spoiling. After all, Reagan ran against both Ford and Carter in the general election of ’76 to show them that he meant to carry out every threat. I don’t know if we have anyone who is strong enough politically willing to do that, but that is likely what it will take to turn the myth of “The Party of Reagan” back into a reality.

          • dajeeps

            He didn’t actually run against Ford and Carter. I double checked it after I posted and should have done it before. My bad, but I didn’t intend to mislead.

          • paladin1

            change and that it took a long time for Reaga to emerge a winner. My issue is that it is a different time now and economically, things are much more dangerous than then. With the huge deficit, a near balance of those who pay taxes and those who live off the taxpayers, and the first really frightening phase of socialism in the form of Obamacare looming, I just fail to see that we have the time to make those changes before we become a Greek economy with the extra burden of the extinction of the private insurance industry and the massive tax increases of Obamacare implementation. Once that becomes a reality in 2014, we are beyond having time to effect change.

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    The success we Arizona conservatives have had in changing the Arizona Republican Party has not come about through blogging about the Party, but by individual conservatives spending a few hours a month going to a two-hour or so local legislative district Party committee meeting to learn how to become a voting member of the Party. And then recruiting more conservatives to do the same. Yelling at the Party from outside it does not, cannot, change the officers of the Party or its platform. The only way we conservatives can change our best political tool, our Party and its machinery, is to become voting members of it. Period.

    For example, each state committee has three RNC committeemen, its state chairman and its two other RNC committee members, one male and one female. If conservatives in Arizona (like me) want to ensure all three are conservatives, then they have to make sure a majority of the state committeemen inside the Party are conservatives. How is that achieved? Well, each of the thirty legislative district Party committees in the state have precinct committeemen, one or more from each precinct. My LD has 69 precincts and we have a total of 277 allotted PC slots. Only 134 are filled right now. (Back in 2008, only about 65 of the slots are filled — we’ve made some progress.) For every three elected PCs we have, we get to elect one state committeemen. The more conservative PCs we get elected (they are elected by the registered voters in each precinct and almost all of the elections are uncontested because almost all of the precincts have fewer PC candidates than allotted slots), the greater number of conservative state committeemen we’ll elect.

    All of this is governed by the Election Code, the Rules of the Republican Party, and the Arizona Republican Party bylaws. The applicable portions of which consist of maybe ten pieces of paper. And it’s not difficult to figure out how it all works.

    We conservative Republicans in Arizona, who have taken the leap and become “ball players” inside the Party, as precinct committeemen, have had success both in my county and statewide in electing conservative officers almost across the board both on the Maricopa County committee, the most populous county in Arizona, and on the state committee. Again, not because we blogged (although some of us blog about The Neighborhood Precinct Committeeman Strategy and I have recruited conservative PCs in AZ and elsewhere through those efforts), but because we made the small effort to qualify for the ballot and then run for the office of precinct committeeman. Very easy to do in AZ. Each state has unique rules; none are onerous.

    Yet here we are in these perilous times, noted above by paladin1, and still about half of the precinct committeeman slots in our Party, nationwide, on average, in each state, are vacant. But they could be filled overnight by conservatives. As we’ve got plenty of conservatives in the tea parties and 9.12 groups, etc. Millions. As I’ve advocated, if we could get them to “pivot” now into united and organized political activity inside the Republican Party itself, to fill up the 200,000 or so vacant PC slots across the country, that war going on inside the Party between moderates and conservatives would be won by the conservatives, as that 50-50 split between the existing 200,000 or so PCs would go to a 75-25 majority for the conservatives. And we’d have a Party at full strength. And all those conservative PCs would be there to help get out the vote in their precincts for the conservative Republicans.

    So that’s where I’ve gone. To the local tea parties and 9.12 and other grass roots conservative groups. To tell them that if they want to change the Republican Party and elect better Republicans the best way to do it is to get inside the Party itself. And many have answered the call. And then I’ve tried to reach them on the net at their web sites.

    (Some of the “national coordinators” of the tea parties don’t want the local people to do this — why, if the little people figure out that their money and time and effort is better spent locally uniting and organizing inside a political party, to actually change the outcome of elections at the local and state levels, as well as at the federal level, maybe those people wouldn’t be interested in sending their money any more to the “national coordinators.”)

    The Neighborhood Precinct Committeeman Strategy is just good, old-fashioned, basic American Civics in action.

    I’ve ttried to explain it succinctly here:

    http://www.unifiedpatriots.com/2011/04/10/what-we-need-to-do-as-soon-as-possible-why-we-need-to-do-it-why-it-will-work-if-we-unite-now/cold-warrior

    I’ve explained why it works better than the “blogger” and “public interest group” strategies here:

    http://www.unifiedpatriots.com/2011/04/19/the-public-interest-group-and-blogger-strategies-vs-the-we-the-people-strategy/cold-warrior

    I’ve posted to YouTube video of some of the talks I’ve given. Here’s the first clip from one I did (you’ll be able to watch the other four parts if you like):

    http://youtu.be/-dSd8kjPz5Y

    Here are some success stories from Utah and Arizona:

    http://www.redstate.com/coldwarrior/2010/05/08/2101-of-3500-of-75000-denied-bob-bennett/

    http://www.unifiedpatriots.com/2012/01/14/1783-of-698940-maricopa-county-az-republicans-passed-resolutions-changed-bylaws-and-elected-officers-today/cold-warrior

    http://www.unifiedpatriots.com/2012/01/31/its-not-hard-to-get-involved-in-party-politics-it-matters-and-its-fun/cold-warrior

    Simply put, our Party is not “conservative enough” for some conservatives because not enough conservatives are inside the Party itself. We need to change that. No?

    I hope this helps.

    Thank you.

    ColdWarrior

    • paladin1

      detailed and succinct solutions I have heard. I will certainly get through all your referenced material today. Thanks for the great comment and keep up the fight!

      • Martin Knight

        I wrote something along these lines a while back as well. Hope you’ll find it useful as well.

        • http://MichaelHarrington.org creinstein

          My own words before I met Lheal, Coldwarrior, and Lineholder was as follows “If everyone knew the issues and if everyone ran for office we would have none of the problems”

          Being involved works.

          I was humbled when I got invited to join their efforts and receive mentoring from them. UNITED WE STAND!

          Click here to learn how to join our effort

        • paladin1

          that is also a well written road map for change!

    • Common_Cents

      Good work, as usual.

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