Comments on: Obamaganda

By: jamesevans

jamesevans — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 16:34:29 +0000

http://www.economist.com/world/unitedstates/displayStory.cfm?storyid=12516666&source=featuresbox_main

By: JSobieski

JSobieski — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 15:01:33 +0000

First, the cap on payroll taxes will be raised above $92k, so all of those people will pay more in taxes. I realize that those are payroll taxes, but nonetheless, taxes will go up.

Second, capital gains taxes will be raised at least 5% but probably more like 10% or even 15% with a democrat Congress.

Income taxes will go up for anyone making over the national income average.

Obama's tax promises are as believable as his promise to accept public financing for his campaign.

By: Siberian

Siberian — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 11:07:00 +0000

A link or anything talking about a 300k figure?

By: tankertodd

tankertodd — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 09:34:40 +0000

Got to compare Obama’s tax deal to the one Lando made with Darth Vader. (Just watched this flick this weekend with the five-year-old. Got to teach the children well…)

Darth Vader: “Calrissian. Take the princess and the Wookiee to my ship.”

Lando: “You said they’d be left at the city under my supervision.”

Darth Vader: “I am altering the deal. Pray I don’t alter it any further.”

By: Raven

Raven — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:49:37 +0000

It’s 200K for single filers and 250K for joint.
So he plans to punish married people for being, well, married. Nice of him.

By: hunter

hunter — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 08:23:25 +0000

And I would not know you from Moe or Curly,
But the real whopper is Obama lying to America in his infomercial about having done anything at all as a legislator.
Obama is fooling all of the Obamanation, and trying to highjack us.
No thanks.

By: Jaded

Jaded — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:57:56 +0000

that has now according to Biden cut in HALF another 4 days and it will 75K….

By: Siberian

Siberian — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:46:04 +0000

I’m not an Obama stooge. I’m simply answering the question posed on the original post. “Didn’t that used to be $250,000?” Answer: No.

It may be word parsing to you, but the least we can do here is be accurate about what positions the other side has had before we claim they are flip flopping or making adjustments under the table.

By: hunter

hunter — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:37:51 +0000

And Obama lying about his legislative ‘accomplishments’ is something you trolls are going to want to make sure never becomes an issue.

By: hunter

hunter — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:31:39 +0000

They are here to make sure that no one gets to question The One.
You guys can engage in denial and word parsing all you want. When Obama goes back to the old democrat standard of raising taxes on everyone making over $75,000, will you finally stfu?
Clinton promised a middle class tax cut in 1992 with total sincerity. And then he sincerely raised taxes on nearly everyone, in the largest tax increase in history, until America woke up and took Congress away from him in 1994.

By: Fallon

Fallon — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 07:26:32 +0000

Is this true?

“If you are a married couple, then it’s $250,000 and if single $200,000. So if you are “living in sin” you get a $400,000 break as opposed to married $250,000. (Will there really be a $150,000 marriage penalty at these salaries?)

“Is marriage going to be a thing of the past? Is this how he solves the ‘gay marriage’ problem?”

By: Clockwork

Clockwork — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 05:56:34 +0000

I like how the very first comment posted to this article debunked this exact “OH NOES 2 DIFFERENT NUMBERS” fallacy, but you just repeat it anyway.

By: joe24pack

joe24pack — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 05:40:16 +0000

Just like a hunter going after his quarry, he doesn’t want to spook us. As soon as I heard those numbers I knew that they were not firm and would be revised down. Should Obama get elected, by the time the inauguration comes around that figure will be down to $50K per FAMILY as the threshold for tax breaks, and $100K per FAMILY as the threshold for increased tax rates. Remember, his long time motivation is redistributing everyone’s wealth, not letting us create and accumulate our own to do with as we see fit.

By: Fernman

Fernman — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 05:06:58 +0000

First Obama says taxes for those paying more than $250,000. Then those making more than $200,000 and now Biden says we are going to tax those making more then $150,000.

Is Biden talking about married couples or single persons, because if it is married couples making the 150,000 then Obama will be taxing singles at $75,000.

The problem with Obama is once he proposes a tax hike there is not stopping how many millions of people he will tax.Once he gets the taste of tax increases that becomes the solution for EVERYTHING that ails the government. Much like if all you have is a hammer, you treat everything else as a nail.

By: Scope

Scope — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 04:59:39 +0000

I heard now Biden has said $150,000. PER FAMILY- not per person. Oh well, it's our PATRIOTIC DUTY to pay more taxes, just get with the program.

Wasn't planning on watching the Hollywood type commercial, but suffered through it. I thought it looked to me like he was trying to counter the Joe the Plumer disaster rather than to make his closing argument as advertised. It was a very expensive way of saying the same nothing he has said all along on the stump. Watching Nancy Grace in her black leather and studs, whipping her guests would have been more entertaining.

I decided he is not an empty suit, he is a suit full of horse dung, and he just keeps kicking it down the road.

By: dnewyork

dnewyork — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 01:28:54 +0000

You are absolutely right. It has always been:

Tax breaks for those making 200k or less.
No tax raises for those making under 250k.
Tax increases to pre-Bush levels for those making over 250k.

By: JLenardDetroit

JLenardDetroit — Thu, 30 Oct 2008 00:35:17 +0000

... Joe the Plagiarist... er... Senator... told us so. He would know, he had to steal it from someones speech?

joeljournal's - Obama spreading the wealth around since 2001 which includes my post about Obama's TaxCutFact.org distortions Fuzzy Math calculator, numbers that spin more like a roulette wheel and just as big a gamble

By: Siberian

Siberian — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:41:33 +0000

If you make under $200k the promise was to lower your taxes.
If you make under $250k the promise was to not raise your taxes.
If you make over $250k the promise was to raise your taxes.

I’m all for nit-picking, but if we’re going to then we need to at least get the details right.

By: Han_Pritcher

Han_Pritcher — Wed, 29 Oct 2008 23:22:00 +0000

“Cut taxes for those making less than $200,000″. Didn’t that used to be $250,000?”

No, that’s a misreading. He has said two things, and that question conflates them. First up, he will cut taxes for those earning under $200k. Second, he will raise taxes on those making more than $250k.

The two are not mutually exclusive, and that’s been the tax plan throughout. You can disagree with it. You can think it’s insane. Just try to keep it straight, as it hasn’t changed.