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By: penguin2 (Diary)  |  January 27th, 2010 at 07:58 AM  | 

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Valuing Life

This is  a diary I felt compelled to write.  Last week I read a news item and magazine article, both of which got me thinking. In 1963, a momentous Supreme Court ruling occurred.  It removed prayer from public schools.  My premise:  the removal of prayer, a spiritual foundation from the public school curriculum, laid the groundwork for Roe v Wade in 1973. The continued minimizing of the concept of God and valuing life, which is based on moral precepts, contributed to the explosive numbers of abortion that have occurred in this country over the past 37yrs.

Having prayer and exposure to the concept of God, a Supreme Being, something greater than ourselves, teaches us to value life.  Once the Left was able to remove and thus undermine the moral basis for this in society, they moved incrementally the rest of the way. Now we have physician assisted suicide in some states, and we will be facing “death panels” with Socialized medicine.  If we as a society do not teach our young to value life, they cannot embrace it, for they lack the moral tenets to hold on to.  A tiny human being becomes an inconvenience, not real, and then there is no reason to nurture the new life.  Remember, candidate Obama said he “did not want his daughters punished with a baby?”  So, if society removes moral responsibility, we do not have to feel any consequences.

In Houston, Texas, a Planned Parenthood facility, its’ largest, with over 78,000 sq. ft. is set to open this April. There is a surgical wing that will perform second-trimester abortions.  That means abortions up to 25wks.  Today, with modern medicine, we know that life can be viable as early as 21-23 weeks.  The news story related to this of course, was the presence of pro-life demonstrators who picketed the building on MLK Day.  Many of those protesting were representatives of the Black and Hispanic clergies, because yes, this PP facility is surrounded by low-income Black and Hispanic neighborhoods.  We already know this frequently is where PP locates their clinics, but a little publicized fact is that this building is right outside the main gate of the University of Houston, enrollment – females – 18,371/male – 17,733.  Now we have PP giving ready access to the poor and vulnerable, and young and vulnerable students at a major university.

The second item I read came from the Weekly Standard, an incredible article by Jon A. Shields and David Daleiden, “Mugged By Ultrasound.”  It is long, but an important discussion regarding the people who perform abortions; some eventually develop a conscience, stop and begin to work on pro-life causes.  The article spoke mainly about the emotional distress, increasing now because of 3D ultrasound showing the perfection of a tiny human body, with a beating heart, movement, everything.

How are the two stories connected?  The first one brought to my mind the trains transporting millions of people to the concentration camps run by Nazi Germany.  People living in nearby towns and outside the very gates claimed ignorance after the war.  How could they not have known?   Smokestacks going night and day are hard to miss, and the smell of burning flesh does not just dissipate.  In the Shield and Daleiden article, 3rd trimester abortion provider George Tiller is discussed, and there is this statement, “to handle the large volume of biological waste (ie. infant body parts-my words), Tiller had a crematorium on the premises.”

We took prayer and God out of the public schools; the Leftists/Socialists are continuing to work on removing God from the public consciousness, and without a moral foundation, there can only be moral relativism, no moral absolutes and clarity.  The end result, you have society saying anything goes, no guilt, no shame, no bother and no consequences.  I feel certain the Founding Fathers never intended for this to be the result of the tenets they so carefully laid out.  Society needs a moral compass, it is on the road to self-destruction without it.  Our schools do not teach moral absolutes, they have been taken over by Leftists/ Secularists who continue to push to have no limits for decadent behavior.  We have a “safe schools” czar, Kevin Jennings, who advocates teaching innocent children perverted things that they really cannot begin to understand.  Jaded wrote about this czar, here.

Last week, The Directors of RedState posted a powerful FP diary, In Memoriam.  Aaron Gardner, a FP contributor wrote a poignant comment in it, if you have a chance, please read it.  He said, “he weeps,” I say, “we all should weep” and never stop trying to teach those around us to value life.

We may eventually, by God’s Grace, overturn Roe v Wade on legal grounds, simply because it is a violation of the right to life, declared by the Declaration of Independence and supported by the Constitution.  Until then we will always be fighting a very dark enemy – men who think they are God.

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  • Flagstaff

    Why don’t they just call them “carcasses” and sell them to dog food makers? I guess then they’d have to admit they are actual bodies, not just tissue.

    That’s a well-written diary. A good job in all respects.

    • penguin2

      they are real tiny human body parts, and that is what I cannot wrap my mind around. That anyone in the health professions could participate in this, tells me how far down we have come as a society. Without a conscience….man is capable of great evil…….

      Thank you for your input and reco.

      • Flagstaff

        Abortion is just plain inhuman in almost all cases.

        Those who support free access to abortions should never have a problem with waterboarding.

  • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

    is at the heart of it all. Instead of doing it’s stated aim of tolerance it has devalued everything.

    Everything becomes about offending someone else rather than the practice of tolerance, hence values become whispers rarely heard, including the value of life.

    Well said, penguin.

  • penguin2

    though it seems like the main religions getting hammered and disparaged are Judaism and Christianity. Other religions, and especially Islam, are not being treated this way.

    I believe the Left has to destroy the presence of Judaic-Christian principles in our society in order to enact their agenda. Only by removing God from the schools and subsequently the public square, both of which they have aggressively pursued and succeeded in, will allow them to pretend the Founding Fathers did not write what they wrote.

    Last night I heard a disturbing news story on Fox that was talking about new textbooks in Texas, which ultimately are the blueprint for books across the nation. An activist group has demanded any references to the faith of the Founding Fathers and other American history heroes be reduced or eliminated. It has not been decided yet, but it is another nail in the coffin if they succeed. Rewriting history and history books in schools in just one weapon being used against us.

  • idealjoe

    the news came that the man who killed the abortion doctor, was found guilty of premeditated murder, and will be sentenced to life in prison. How does this work? On one hand a man (doctor/murderer) makes a very lucrative living by killing innocent children.He is actually rewarded for his lack of compassion and his careless concern for human life. He is accepted into some type of cult-like church that evidently approves of the doctor’s profession. I’m not sure that Jeremiah Wright’s congregation would have permitted his attendance or membership. On the other hand, a man who is trying to protect unborn children, is cast into prison.
    It only points out how far this nation has fallen. You know that God chastised Israel for sacrificing their children as their heathen neighbors did. He was repulsed by their evil and said “It never entered my mind” that you would kill your own children.Read it for yourselves……….Jer. 19:5 KJV

  • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

    From there it became about intolerance, or claiming offense at the slightest slight. It predates, the ruling on prayers in schools and Roe v Wade.

    Any values, not just Judeo-Christian values are to be destroyed. The rest are merely victim groups while they are useful against Judeo-Christian groups. Once they’re no longer useful, they will suffer the same assault as we suffer now.

    For instance, how does pro-choice stand with Islam? How does homosexuality? Yet the people who support these issues will stand shoulder to shoulder with those who insert Sharia law into Western countries while they’re a useful group to pit against the rest of us.

    Without values, none of us are safe.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

    happens in school – more later

    My dear, this issue is huge pet peeve of mine, trailing only the pet peeve of mineagainst racist dems projecting their own.

  • The_Gadfly

    I don’t do this often, because it is generally not acceptable behavior in current society. It is acceptable to argue and debate political issues, but not to assert religious truths, debate them, and debate the implications for governmental morality and policies.

    On this front we wrestle not with flesh and blood but against powers and principalities. Understand this and through God the rest of what is happening will fall into place.

    We the fallen too often overlook the extent to which we have fallen. With this understanding I see a mistake in your post, one which before God was booted from schools I doubt you would have made, and which if you had, would quickly have been corrected:

    The Left doesn’t have to destroy the presence of Judaic-Christian principles in order to enact their agenda, they enact their agenda to destroy Judaic-Christian principles.

    The order is important. The Left hates Christianity because the powers and principalities behind them hate God and war against him. They may deceive their minions into believing they must destroy those principles to enact their agendas, but that is not the truth. All else follows logically from this basic truth. The removal of God, the terrorizing of citizens from threats foreign and domestic. The drive to have government become the master of the people. The wanton destruction of the most defenseless of all human life in the forms of abortion and euthanasia. All of it flows from this one truth.

  • http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

    Partisan tolerance was an invention of Herbert Marcuse. His goal was the destruction of western civilization so it could be replaced by a system he liked: Soviet communism. The destruction wrought by multiculturalism is no accident.

  • penguin2

    how our political correctness and diversity are enabling lslam, and perhaps radical elements of it, to encroach on our political/societal tenets. When I wrote this I wondered about Islam’s stand on abortion, and will look into that at another time. I think I know how they feel about homosexuality. The introduction of Sharia Law in England is a very serious beginning of the assimilation of the English peoples into what is obviously becoming the dominant culture there and elsewhere in Western Europe. In the meantime, the Leftists/Socialists who are so eager to be politically correct, may already have started us down the same road.

  • nessa

    The removal of morality from our Country has indeed been one of the Progressives goals, they are reaping the rewards today. In this, as so many of their agenda items, the American People are turning against them. The lefts definition of feminism and choice are still more lies pushing an agenda of power and control.

  • Ausonius

    Related to the discussion is the perversion of language seen in the permeation of America by “values” and “values education,” which has replaced the knowledge of “virtues” and “virtuousness.”

    As part of the Leftist relativist agenda, “values” – an economic term in its origin – long ago in the ’60′s began to replace any discussion, or definition, of “virtues.”

    If you claim that a moral position is a “value” you are opening yourself up to moral relativism: values can increase and decrease, are open to equivalency contests, and can become worthless in value. The next step of course is to claim that your “value” is an opinion the way one values a house: maybe you think your house is worth $50,000, but the realtor says it is worth only $35,000.

    Your opinion, your value, is incorrect, or at least not as correct as the realtor’s!

    A “Virtue” is invaluable and incontestable. Virtues – courage, honesty, diligence, self-control, etc. – derive from our inalienable rights as human beings.

    In a society where such virtues are seen as embarrassing by the Leftists – (Billy Jeff Clinton and MAObama would never be identified as espousing virtues) – we can see why their presence is less influential. By labeling them “values” the Leftists have reduced their influence more and more.

    Mass Marxist Humans are not allowed to stand out as virtuous: everyone’s “values” must equal everyone else’s values.

    And that is why you will not see or hear about “virtues” or their influences in the public schools.

  • JadedByPolitics

    “People living in nearby towns and outside the very gates claimed ignorance after the war. How could they not have known? Smokestacks going night and day are hard to miss, and the smell of burning flesh does not just dissipate”

    There is NO DENYING what is happening in our society. There can be NO justification for this KILLING of our innocents. The whole purpose and process of abortion is to RID the country of those people of color and the poor and the crippled so that society does not have to have UNDESIRABLES, why just ask Justice Ginsberg I believe this statement should be used everytime a leftist questions your stand on abortion she and the rest of the “progressives” would have anyone but whom they consider the “elite” to be able to have children at all.

    I agree that the ROAD TO RUIN can directly be traced to ruling on God in the classroom because since that ruling WE have nothing but HELL in the classroom….where God is not the Devil is!

  • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C
  • http://vbushmills.blogtownhall.com/ vassar

    …at least in my view.

    Remove prayer, overtime you remove conscience. Do the math, and not after 45 years, the proof’s in the pudding. While the Supreme is not likely to reinstate it, they probably are amenable to allow school property, etc be allowed for voluntary religious activity. In that, God can compete with Evil on level playing field. I time, our side wins.

    You connection between Nazi death camps and modern abortion/lack of reverence for life is right on. They were hand in glave back in the 1920s-30, the founder of planned parenthood, Holmes, Shaw, all very pro-getting rid of less than perfect life, which can easily be redefined to include the unwanted life.

    The key to the Nazis was bringing in the professional classes…medicine, law, academe to justify the murders.

    So, do we fight this with a scalpel, or a meat cleaver?
    VB

  • http://vbushmills.blogtownhall.com/ vassar

    but I’d love to hear more about this Partisan Tolerance and Herbert Marcuse…tell us more as a diary.

    This is news we can use.

  • http://www.redstate.com/tnjim TNJim

    You have articulated my exact thoughts on this subject very well. Remove prayer from schools, then diminish religion as much as possible, and the stage is set for anarchy in all its repugnant forms. I find no coincidence in the location of the mega Planned Parenthood center in Houston, PP founder Margaret Sanger would be proud.

    This diary goes nicely with Streiff’s front pager on Tim Tebow’s Super Bowl ad controversy. The left is blasting it already in the most inane ways, sight unseen. As he points out they are even declaring it will divide the country, as if it wasn’t already divided on this subject.

    Highly reco’d, and now to tweet it.

  • http://stixblog.com Black River Wolf

    One of the biggest things that I think is the downfall of our society is the absence of moral right and wrong or Natural Law. This is not religious at all, but the fall of moral right and wrong, anything is ok and no one can tell me what to do, has lead to the death of many unborn children, which many are minorities. Just look at where PP is at, mainly in poor black or Hispanic neighborhoods.

    W/O faith, people will search for some kind of thing to follow, and it seems now the religion of Manbearpig has taken over the role of religion to many since Christ and anything moral is banned.

    Also, the invention and wide use of contraceptives has also brought the downfall of society. Not to say that using them is a sin, but it took sex away from family. Now it is a pasttime, not a part of family life. And I am no prude, but now sex has no consequences,and if you do get pregnant, well just get rid of it with an abortion. This goes along the lines of what Marriage means also.

  • penguin2

    but I felt I could not short change the story. There has been such a culture of death that has developed over the past several decades and IMO, it is due to the desensitization of all things related to a moral view of the world. The absence of a spiritual based society, and moral tenets and virtues, leads to a careless regard of life.

    The Leftist elitists need to be concerned; as Ancient Rome began to crumble, there came a point that the birthrate had declined so much, that laws (Julian and Papia-Poppaean) were passed to try and encourage family life and childbearing. I believe the government even paid women to have children. The upper classes were particularly affected by the declining birthrate. There are multiple causes that have been examined regarding the loss of population of Rome, but this is certainly something that is worth remembering. We may cause ourselves to be extinct…..

    Thank you for the comment and reco.

  • voteindy

    Some 60% of abortions in America are performed on white women.

    I think the arguments against abortion should be based on the sanctity of life….not the racial makeup of the mother involved.

  • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C
  • penguin2

    First there is the desensitizing. The Left had to turn our society away from God, (Judaic-Christian tenets) and they had to start with the schools, and then move onto the public square. They have done this. Moral teaching develops a conscience, if there is no morality based teaching of right and wrong, then it all becomes relative.

    I believe, like you, that there was an underlying acceptance and complicity on the part of the people who participated in the slaughter of those millions in the concentration camps of Nazi Germany. An elitism existed that perceived others as less than themselves and were to be destroyed to keep themselves pure.

    Accepting that we are not perfect in body, as well as spirit, keeps us human. When we lose our conscience we lose our humanity.

    Thank you for the reco. This was a complex and difficult diary to write. Even now, it takes a bit to write my responses. There were mental images in my mind from pictures I had seen of the destruction of human life by the Nazis, and when I read articles about abortion, well…..there are similarities, no matter what the pro-choice people say.

    I think with the advance of modern medical technology, we can put the pictures out there, and we can turn the tide of public sentiment against the pro-choice cacophony. It is already beginning to happen, we cannot hold back. Saving our infants may indeed mean saving our society and nation, the one the Founding Fathers intended us to have.

  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    Recommended

  • penguin2

    difference. I think you helped me out on that once before, and I was fascinated by the idea that that is exactly what has happened. Virtues are not taught, and values are relative and not fixed. In a way, one can consider that the loss of a virtuous people leads to their no longer valuing human life. That is why infants can be killed in utero, in numbers that are staggering.

    And with the progress the Left has made, I do not know how we will turn back to teaching virtues, and thus benefiting from a society schooled that way.

    I always appreciate your knowledge and comments. Thank you for the reco.

    I

  • hickorystick

    value by definition is vague, re-definable, subjective, and optional; a sliding scale if you will. As long as the subject is defined by values, you can be on either side and be “correct”. One can put as much or little weight on either side and it can balance by either moving the fulcrum, or by a dis-honest dealer putting his thumb on one side.
    The most irritating part about politics for me is politicians staying in the qualitative realm. As long as a statement is vague and qualitative it cannot be proven or disproven. Ronald Reagan often spoke with qualitative statements, but would back them up with data, statistics, and concrete examples. His speeches were always to a purpose, and he would try to get people to fall down on one side or the other, preferably his.
    The English language has too many vaugeries in it. When concrete visuals are seen, people will often abandon doubt and cynicism and procrastination, and make a choice. The ultrasound project for example. In my case, I didn’t make a decision on the right or wrong of abortion till my wife and I sat down once a week during her first pregnany and read a 1968 book about child development in the womb, to know what was going on with our child in my wifes belly. I had know idea the spine started to form so early, 5th week if I recall. It could be hard because I was torn between fascination and anger. Anger because I had never been told the specifics of baby development in Eutero. Once I knew specifics, the decision was a no-brainer.
    One last thing, Colonial America frequently named their children after virtues, such as Charity, Hope, Prudence, Constance, Faith, and a raft of others.

  • Ausonius

    If you missed it over the weekend, I wrote an essay here at RedState on Rome’s later years in comparison with America today:

    http://www.redstate.com/ausonius/2010/01/24/leftist-barbarians-and-the-decline-and-fall-of-america/

    Of interest on the history of abortion:
    In the pre-modern era, the local abortionist was often the old woman who lived outside the village. Euphemistically called “the old woman with a stick” she of course became connected to witchcraft, rf. “The Witches’ Hammer” (Malleus Maleficarum in Latin, which is more of a manual on torture than a sociological treatise!), because of her dealings with death to infants.

    Some claim the witches’ broom was ritualistically used in measuring the height of grain or corn: but one can see it was also a crude abortifacient.

    Witches’ Broom is also a plant diesease which can cause abortions in cattle that are unlucky enough to eat an infected plant (e.g.oleander).

  • penguin2

    the declining population of Ancient Rome. I had once read somewhere about the birthrate declining so much, they enacted laws and paid women to have children. From my limited research, no one defining factor seems to have been the culprit, but certainly there was recognition of the problem and the attempt to remedy it.

    True there has always been abortions, but it seems like it has only been the since the 20th century that governments have actually passed laws making the taking of life, legal. Previously, it was a sin against God and man.

    Love your historical knowledge Ausonius.

  • penguin2

    Power over life and death. There is nothing that supports taking of a innocent human life, and when the Leftists and feminazis (Rush’s term) demand the right under the guise of “choice” and a law that allows it, society, not just ours, will suffers for it.

    I pray for the day, when the public will turn against those that seek the death of innocents, and demand the law be changed.

    Thank you for the reco.

  • eburke
  • Ausonius

    has been the “dirty little secret.”

    The myths and fairly tales about the “kindly wolf” or bear or whatever, who magically adopts and suckles the human child, or the kindly shepherd or woodcutter who adopts the child, were invented to salve the consciences of the people who abandoned the new hungry mouth to the elements.

    One can imagine the anguish, but cannot condone the decision.

    Yes, there were tax breaks given in the Empire as early as Augustus to large families: I suspect the urban Romans experienced the same declining population for the same reasons, one main reason being that urban affluence leads to needing fewer children as laborers.

    Many thanks for the compliment! :)

  • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

    there were people who would cry at night because they had no children and would be too happy to adopt.

    (Still fighting in my fourth year against bureaucracy and red tape to adopt)

  • http://vbushmills.blogtownhall.com/ vassar

    VB

  • redneck_hippie

    Collectivists are always taking things of value away from us.

    Does anyone doubt they would burn every book and confiscate every gun if they need to?

    The left takes and takes, and gives nothing of value. What sorrow it is that babies are destroyed and in their place, evil multiplies.

    Lovely piece, Penguin.

  • penguin2

    As I said to Redneck_hippie down thread, one of the greatest tragedies of this atrocity of abortion, is the empty arms of so many who desperately want a child, and cannot have one. We had difficulty getting pregnant, and I can tell anyone who asks the question, “when does life begin?” When there is a zygote, only after that will there be a positive pregnancy test.

    If you don’t mind, I will keep you in prayer for a successful adoption.

  • penguin2

    I always appreciate and respect your thoughts and opinions. Complimentary words from you mean a great deal.

    Thank you.

  • penguin2

    my mind, and thus I realized I had to write it. If you get a chance, follow the link to the Weekly Standard article, “Mugged by Ultrasound.” It is an incredible piece, and to tell you the truth, as a nurse, I am sickened by the numbers in the medical professions that can participate in such deeds. Everything I was ever taught was about saving lives, not destroying them…..

    Thank you for the reco.

  • penguin2

    and in their place, evil multiples,” Very profound words. One of the tragedies of the murder of our infants, is the empty arms of so many who desperately want children and cannot have them. They wait in vain for the chance to hold a baby in their arms.

    Thank you Red for your words and input, it was difficult to write it, but I am glad I did.

  • http://impudent.blognation.us/blog kyle8

    nt

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    From the Northwest Ordinance of 1787, Art. 3, in part:

    “Art. 3. Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged.”

    Kind of sounds like, “A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.”

    Go here for more: http://avalon.law.yale.edu/18th_century/nworder.asp

    http://www.earlyamerica.com/earlyamerica/milestones/ordinance/

    Thank you.
    ColdWarrior
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  • http://vbushmills.blogtownhall.com/ vassar

    I’m glad you made sense of it.

    Remember the old saw, the solution to every problem, including mental ones, begin with a unified theory. Your outline was indeed unified….sort of like CS Lewis,,,”understated passion.”
    (I’d give worlds if i could do that.)

  • penguin2

    the advance of modern medical technology. The link to the Weekly Standard article, talks about the 3D imagery available. We have got to get people to really see the tiny lives. Planned Parenthood does not want these images out there, they do not want our side to have access to the women they have coming to see them. Their fear of course, is that their abortion business will suffer and they will have to shut down the machine. To those of us who have had difficulty achieving pregnancy, we have no problem knowing when life begins: the zygote, from then on there is a new tiny human life.

    Thank you for your reco and the noting of the use of virtuous names by Colonial Americans. Mine is one of those, the one that means, “constant.”

  • penguin2

    grammar and typos myself, so no problem.

    I was rereading your sentence about the Nazis bringing on board the professional classes – medicine, legal and academic. It seems that it also fits with the game plan of today’s Left. They could not have accomplished Roe v Wade and subsequently the number of abortions, and now physician assisted suicide, and potential death panels, without the agreement of these same groups today. This is a very important point you have made. You have talked before about the infiltration of academe by the Left, well they had to get into the law/judiciary and medical communities as well. So we see the same groundwork being laid out, right?

  • http://vbushmills.blogtownhall.com/ vassar

    …it is a domino theory, laid out over 50 years ago.

    But we are near a point where talk will no longer matter. If we appear to be regaining ground, they will turn to violence this time. They will not simply crawl back into their holes…for this time they know we will follow them in and root them out…since for us, there is no recent yesterday, in our short memories of what? 50+ years, we can afford to go back to….and again, there is no recent yesterday they are willing to go back to. Stalemate or check mate?

    We shall see.

    Don’t be afraid, at least any more than I am. You should try Happy Feet from time to time, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uwj8t-wcvtw, and remember that you live in interesting times.

    Laisser les bons temps rouller!

  • nessa

    …and drive a stake through the heart of progressivism! Carthago Delenda Est!

  • penguin2

    maybe you posted it, and I caught it. I was amazed to see how clearly the Founding Fathers saw religion/faith in society and schools. The Left has managed to twist and obscure so much in order to achieve their ends.

  • http://vbushmills.blogtownhall.com/ vassar

    …ugly, but in a Gothic sense, beautiful.

  • penguin2

    religion. Though I think the extreme environmentalists are the ones following that mantra. The true Leftists have no religion except their own progressivism, and that is how they live their lives, the only absolutes are about power and their agenda. By eliminating the moral foundation and reinforcement of right and wrong in society, it is a free-fall from there to the anything goes mentality. No conscience, no responsibility, and no consequences. Liberal policies destroys families and breaks the bonds that society needs critically, for survival.

    You also noted the PP placement in poor neighborhoods. The other observation I had was how these facilities may also be located near colleges and universities. The schools in urban areas are often surrounded by low income neighborhoods., so PP is getting to prey on two very vulnerable populations.

    Thank you for your input and reco.

  • nessa

    They’ve given themselves away and admitted their goals on this but people only hear it from us and being we have already been defined as eeeevil, they won’t listen to us or to the progressive purposes/plans we bring to public attention.

    Q: “Are you talking about the distances women have to travel because in parts of the country, abortion is essentially unavailable, because there are so few doctors and clinics that do the procedure? And also, the lack of Medicaid abortions for poor women?”

    Justice Ginsburg: “Yes, the ruling about that surprised me. [Harris v. McRae -- in 1980 the court upheld the Hyde Amendment, which forbids the use of Medicaid for abortions.] Frankly I had thought that at the time Roe was decided, there was concern about population growth and particularly growth in populations that we don’t want to have too many of. So that Roe was going to be then set up for Medicaid funding for abortion.”

    Slowly people are realizing we aren’t the eeevil ones…

  • penguin2

    and recently when it was revealed again, there wasn’t any reaction from the media or the people. That is how passive and indifferent they have become over just a few decades. They have been brainwashed and desensitized. Where are the Jesse Jacksons’ and Al Sharptons’ when they should really speaking out for their people? They joined the Left and seek only their own comfort and power, and do not hear the real cries of their people or of society.

  • http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

    Will see if I can pull it all together tonight. Tomorrow is a soccer coaching night, so if it’s going to be put together before the weekend it will be tonight.

  • http://beaglescout.wordpress.com Beaglescout

    See the diary here.

  • Menlo

    If it’s about anything other than equal protection, then you have no case. It’s not comparable to the exercise of faith. Nor is it really comparable to family values or to marriage. I’ll never understand why people try to lump all these things together.

    Similarly, it’s got nothing to do with “states’ rights,” a defense traditionally reserved for denying equal protection. The fourteenth amendment invalidates that argument.

    I’ll never understand why anti-Christian people do not defend the unborn every bit as much if not more. I guess the ancient rituals of child sacrifice only fit with their regressive tendencies to put society in the stone ages with outhouses and no electricity or running water. However, issues traditionally relating to family values lie on a foundation of faith, history, and/or tradition; perhaps under an umbrella of “states’ rights.” Equal protection for the unborn does not or at least should not. It really is secular and progressive in the true sense of the terms.

    I strongly support free exercise of religion both in public and in private, but “God says so” is not an adequate justification for a law.

  • penguin2

    your excellent discussions here at RS regarding the reversal of Roe v Wade on Legal grounds that keep me hopeful. The lives of the unborn are not being afforded equal protection under law, and it is by law that this ultimately has to be changed. I think GC once referred to it as ‘bad law.” Your legal perspective and the correctness of it, holds, Menlo.

    My premise deals with a different aspect relating to society and the progressives, and human nature. The secularizing and deliberate attempts to destroy belief and faith in a Supreme Being, (taking God of schools), removing all traces of Him from the public square, is the method the Leftists/Progressives have used to achieve their ends. Power and control – that includes the ability to destroy or grant that one may live, Our culture and society has been desensitized to the basic tenets that allow us to keep our humanity, and not destroy innocent life. It cultivates a mind-set a indifference.
    Another way of saying it: taking God, faith and morality out of the public square, the public consciousness, is the reason, IMO, why that “bad law” was passed and thus far why it has not been repealed.

    Your remark about not understanding why the “anti-Christians” do not defend the unborn, brings to mind another irony; the progressives are usually the ones demanding the end of capital punishment. To me, it is all part of their warped, but dangerous to society, view of the world.

    Your last line would be one that I differ with you on…”God says so”… “not adequate justification for a law,” I believe that the laws this country were founded on, stemmed from a Judaic-Christian foundation, the Bible, which includes the Ten Commandments. In a sense then, it seems that we as a nation have a system of law that really was based on “God says so.”

    Thank you for your input, as I said I appreciate and agree with your focus and therein lies my hope. Constitutional law that states the right to life….it needs to be enforced.

  • penguin2

    morality has been the key to the “success” of the progressives. The only way they could do it was to remove God and religion, which are the foundation of our moral tenets – knowing right from wrong, having virtues (thank you Ausonius), and valuing life. 50yrs. ago everyone would have been protesting the presence of these places. They would have seen that this was murder. Today, the people do not rise up, because they do not “see” it for the atrocity it is. Progressives work to change society’s perceptions, so that which was once abhorrent becomes acceptable and commonplace. The concentration camps of Nazi Germany were many years in the making, the groundwork laid beforehand.

    Thank you for your input, reco and the tweet, TNJim. To a tech challenged penguin, it is amazing that my words are going to be tweeted out. This technology may not be so bad after all….

  • Menlo

    First, Roe is irrelevant. Even without it, besides the fact that hardly any state would change its laws, the system is as evil as the “states’ rights” argument under slavery.

    Second, if you want to legislate what God says, why not mandate church attendance? Why not penalize people who have affairs? There are lots of sins, and all are equal in God’s eyes. Regardless, I do believe every law, particularly one that compels or prohibits an activity, must have a secular purpose.

  • penguin2

    abortion is wrong, but I don’t understand your comment that Roe is “irrelevant.” I do remember you’ve written on this, and your argument for the preservation of life is well supported strictly on secular grounds.

    I am probably stuck now due to my limited knowledge, as I am not a philosopher, lawyer or theologian, but I believe I understand some of this instinctively, though I know the lawyers could argue anything in any direction. Personally, I believe that without a morally based society, and moral absolutes, we have moral relativism. Moral relativism has caused the decay of our culture and not only promotes abortion, but keeps us from stopping it.

  • Menlo

    Even before 1973, the unborn were not given equal protection status under the Constitution. It was up to the states, some of which had legalized the practice. Such a concept was not and still is not even taken seriously by Roe’s dissenters.

    The argument is not and really should not be as much about life as equal protection. If the law protects the born, it should protect the unborn the same way. Where the law does not protect the born from being killed, there is a justification for abortion. It should not be up to the popular majority or to “states’ rights.”

  • jcincy

    “My premise: the removal of prayer, a spiritual foundation from the public school curriculum, laid the groundwork for Roe v Wade in 1973.” — penguin2

    I don’t disagree with your premise.

    However, Thomas Jefferson said it well, “To compel a man to furnish funds for the propagation of ideas he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.”

    The schools need to be funded directly by the people who use them. To tax my income, my property or the things I buy to pay for public education is tyranny.

    It is unjust to take my wealth to teach global warming, evolution, inappropriate sex education, multiculturalism, intolerance, disrespect for authority, anti-white racism, and whole of host of other subjects I find abhorrent. Furthermore, my money is used to build yet another corrupt government union.

    Don’t try to fix the public schools. Shut them down. Cut off all their funding.

  • melissatx

    When just a tender freshmen at orientation I was shown around campus and gven important information. 3 key things given by our tour guide included where to eat, where to sleep, and where the nearest PP was. That was it.
    It was a foregone conclusion that we would seek it out just like the dining hall.

    And then we have doctors, I hope few and far between like next to last OB. When I found out I was pregnant at 38 this man stated with great moral authority that at that age, abortion was an altenative and every subsequent visit the first thing out of his mouth was that termination was still on the table.
    I told him that I was terminating him for not valuing the life I held. Now think about this ladies, I had a girl, so that means I was carrying my child and my grandchildren at the same time. What a crime to wipe out two or more generations in one fell swoop.

    The infection of devaluation is taught, learned, celebrated and held up as a standard, hence the whole Tebow row. Hence the whole controversy over the Obama video in which his single mother was shown to have chosen life….and womens groups were livid. Feminists are to blame for demeaning, belittling and dividing women for their own selfish, political gain and it has NOTHING to do with womens rights but EVERYTHING to do with inconvenience and control. I laughed at the Presidents remarks on human rights and womens rights when he could no more man up in defense of the unborn and those women who sill suffer irrerperable harm due to abortions (physical and emotional damage) than he could for our country. The common denominator for all these groups inlcuding our President is the desire to control for political gain. That fits hand in hand with the UN population control game.

    Less they forget, Margaret Sanger wanted poor blacks and minorities gone for a reason. They were expendable. They were a blight. They have dressed up mureder and repackaged and sold it as a “right.” How glam!

  • melissatx

    WELL SAID.

  • penguin2

    It is unjust to take my wealth to teach global warming, evolution, inappropriate sex education, multiculturalism, intolerance, disrespect for authority, anti-white racism, and whole of host of other subjects I find abhorrent. Furthermore, my money is used to build yet another corrupt government union.

    You are absolutely right and I feel the same way. While I can accept not promoting a particular religion in school or in the public milieu, the erasure and suppression of the presence of God in these venues is part of the Progressives plan and had to be accomplished in order to substitute their ‘religion’ for ours. Without the morally based tenets of right and wrong being taught and reinforced, our people have no moral compass to guide them, and they have no conscience telling them to do other than that which the Socialist State has ingrained in them. Being exposed to faith based on Judaic-Christian tenets, is how our young are taught to make decisions from a moral conscience. One of the Founding Fathers, I think Jefferson, said in order for this Republic to succeed it has to be based on morally based precepts.
    IMO, the reason why our tax dollars are supporting the topics you named, is because the Progressives succeeded in this substitution. They have socialized a generation to not believe there is a moral right and wrong, that it is all relative and thus the envelope can keep being pushed, and that includes disposing of unwanted babies. Moral teachings allow us to develop a conscience, and to sustain society based on absolutes, not the latest Progressive drivel.

    ColdWarrior, up above quoted this for me, and it speaks again to the Founding Fathers’ beliefs and foundation behind the principles that started this nation.

    From the Northwest Ordinance of 1787, Art. 3, in part:

  • dbitz

    Only the wealthy would be able to afford to send their kids to school, while the poor would be uneducated and just get poorer. The gap between the rich and the poor would just get wider and wider…

    “The schools need to be funded directly by the people who use them.”

    But everyone benefits from the public school system, where everyone gets an education. Besides education just being a good thing in it’s own right, it is better for our economy (educated people can more easily get/create jobs, invent things, etc).

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    Therefore, the government has an obligation to ensure a educated populace. The solution is not to eliminate public schools, but rather to promote school choice, including public & charter schools, and tax exemptions for private (including religious) schools and homeschooling.

  • http://www.hakubi.us/ Neil Stevens

    What’s weak is your moby-fu.

    I can’t believe nobody emailed me about you.

    You’ve been posting this stupidity for too long.

  • mschmitt

    It seemed to look for any opportunity it could to pick a fight with her.

  • penguin2

    universities and colleges, they are putting the finishing touches on their moral relativism, that has been part of the educational agenda from the start. But first they had to get God out of school and the public square; they have succeeded.

    The womens movement was hijacked by the radical feminists, Leftists who saw a way to further their agenda behind the guise of “womens” rights. I’ve said before, that the movement did some good in education and professional fields, but it also did a lot of harm. I believe it increased the burden on women and may in fact be part of the reason for men losing their roles and identities. But remember, I am speaking from a conservative woman’s point of view. Achance mentioned this article recently by Dennis Prager, in the Washington Times. It is an excellent article speaking to this here.

    It is has shocked me, as a nurse, that so many health professionals would participate in the barbarity of abortion. Even in capital punishment a lethal injection puts the individual to sleep. I just cannot describe the details of the abortion procedure, but I am sure most of us know. That is how far and how warped our society has become. I do believe that if we can get the message out about the truth about the killing of our infants in utero we can turn the tide against the Leftists and their progressivism.

    Progressives/Communists/ Fascists seek to have power and control. They can only achieve it if they place themselves in the publics’ consciousness and remove the moral basis for our society, one founded on virtues and faith based, one founded on Judaic-Christian tenets, one founded on God.

    I appreciate and thank you for your input. I keep telling myself, “if the people only knew….”

  • penguin2

    necessary and without them what you say in your first line would happen. The other problem is illiteracy rates of the population would increase. OTOH, it is our taxpayer dollars that helping fund the Leftist agenda and has enabled them to control the message. Their construct of the world is based on moral relativism, not moral absolutes.

    We have sought alternatives to the public schools; vouchers, charter schools and home schooling. The Teachers’ Unions fight us every step of the way. The Leftists/Progressives must retain control of the message in order to achieve their ends.

    CW noted this from the Northwest Ordinance of 1787:

  • penguin2

    about this as well. It all tracks back to what children are taught when they are young. The schools have control of these young impressionable minds. There are those who would say and have said, that parents should be able to teach these things in the home. But what is taught in the home has to be reinforced by the surrounding culture. Home reinforces societal norms, and societal norms reinforce what is taught in the home. Now we are experiencing the consequences of a society that accepted incremental progressivism.

    IMO, the grip the Left and progressivism has on our country is more serious than I think many realize. This fight is not just in the political arena, but the cultural one as well.

    I look forward to your writings on this. Thank you.

  • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
  • penguin2

    50yrs. ago, a man like Tiller would have been denounced for his work, now the Left makes him into a martyr and the majority of Americans are indifferent to what he did. OTOH, it is understood that Scot Roeder did commit the crime of premeditated murder and has to pay the price society deems fit. Progressivism has managed to warp the culture and redefine right and wrong, it is only whatever they say it is. When they talk about America falling from within, I realize it really goes deeper; it is society’s indifference and lack of conscience that will destroy us. There must be a way to turn this around.

  • The_Gadfly

    hold to that moral order regardless of by whom the crime is committed. In the case of Scott Roeder, he did commit murder. Except in fairly narrowly defined instances we do not permit individual citizens to carry out judgments against other citizens. Scott Roeder did precisely that.

    This does not condone or justify the larger sin of “Dr.” Tiller, or the sin of the church that did not correct his moral failure. Those are separate offenses against God who will see his justice done. That is what should concern those of us still on this side of the Great Divide. God will see his justice done here as well as on his side. For the sin of slavery our nation fought a civil war that killed more citizens than all other wars in which the US has fought combined. Splitting the shades of gray, I’d say we’ve now sinned more by the sheer number of abortions committed than the nation did with slavery, And that means that without repentance and correction the penalty paid shall be even greater.

    Okay, I’d better logoff now before I speak from the heart again about moral truths.

  • renny

    under Obamanation, is an activist homosexual whose main goal is getting homosexual literature into grade schools and having homosexuality taught in k-12 health classes.

    The homosexuals cannot abide Judeo-Christian values as they say some actions are right and others are wrong.

  • penguin2

    That certainly is a valid viewpoint. One that I have to ponder on. Let me see, if I understand what you said…the Lefts’ goal is TO destroy Judaic-Christian faith. It is not to enact their agenda as much as it IS their agenda? Now I might be floundering here a bit, but that would mean they are committed atheists who are bent on the destruction of God in our lives, right? So the endgame is that vs the actions and behaviors I see? If that is the order, their goal is darker and deeper than I would have comprehended.
    They are in competition with GOD!

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    …I’d be very careful painting them all that way. There are a large number of Christians that support the agenda of the left.

  • penguin2

    the agenda of the left” what is their rationale? I understand some distortion could be found in in the changes that have crept into their churches and in the application of their faith in society, but what would drive them to support he Left. The Left supports abortion and euthanasia, how does it fit in with Christianity?

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    Just take a look at how many were rabid supporters of Huckabee. There are many Christians, both Catholic and Protestant that believe government should be used to take care of the poor and needy. The believe the Left’s methods of redistributing wealth is the Christian thing to do.

    How many Catholics voted for Obama, knowing he supports both abortion and euthanasia? I know of evangelical Christians who also voted for him, with full knowledge of his positions. The most common response was, “I’m voting on more than just those issues.”

  • penguin2

    It is hard for me to reconcile being “Christian” with anything associated in the deliberate taking of human life, which I do believe the bible speaks out against. And true about their idea of redistributing wealth as the “Christian thing to do.” Mailloux has written about it, and the progressivism now being preached from the pulpit.

    All I can say, I think it is a warped view and clearly how far we have strayed or “fallen” from a message from God, that is about glorifying life vs destroying it.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    I will always vote for the candidate that I believe will do the best job protecting life. I mean, when you get down to it, government’s primary role is to protect life and property.