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“When a Candidate Loses” or “Dignity and Honor”

We’ve been through a number of primaries recently, winding down to the last of them and heading right into the general election. Some of the races have been more contentious than others. Several have been played out here on the stage at Redstate, including strong voices, and the site’s own preferences. This post is not about the candidates – who won, who lost, who is right or who is wrong.

I love reading and participating at RedState; there isn’t another site like it on the Internet. A year ago, after returning from the RS Gathering, I wrote a post called “Welcome to the Neighborhood.” It was my second effort venturing into the waters of diary-writing. Though shy and reserved, I pay attention to people, everyone here to me is important. Reading what most of you post or write in diaries is enjoyable. So much is revealed.

I wasn’t here for the 2008 primary battles, but I’ve heard quite a bit about them, and they are not cheerful tales. Words like rancor, animosity, and enmity are still resounding through the halls of RedState. The battles were so heated that when we finally had our GOP nominee for president, the behaviors of the winners and losers, I understand, caused some wonderful long-time members here to leave RS, never to return. Then there were, and still are the battles that rage around Sarah, and this post is not about her, but only to use her as an example for my main point.

We all have candidates we support.  Most of us here are on the same page with each other’s and the site’s preferences. We get visitors and regular members who are not. But ultimately, once a candidate is the nominee, we have to find a way to get it together. Get it together by respecting that a candidate may have lost, but does that make them a bad person? No. Maybe they were a poor candidate, or they really are not good for our party and conservative goals, but I have a hard time seeing people attacked on a personal level. Ultimately, what we see is a candidate’s supporters attacking each other, on a personal basis. Art Chance had a post recently; he wrote it out of his passion for his candidate. Maybe through some misunderstanding regarding whether his candidate was perceived to be “trying to steal the election” or along that line, he responded. When I first saw it, I thought “Oh no.  This is going to get people going.” Alaska politics are almost the most inflammatory subject around here, and long ago, it made sense to stay out of the Sarah diaries. But, if I entered them, I tried very hard to focus on the issue, not the person making the remark. In return, I always received courteous acceptance on the part of the poster, because they saw that I wasn’t attacking them but just disagreeing with their position. People should be able to have opposing viewpoints without meltdown occurring. When the poster is put on the defensive personally, it leaves no choice but for them to come back at the commenter. This is not about any one person, this is about the way one has good and reasonable debate, without destroying the individuals involved in the discussion.

My title, “When a Candidate Loses” or “Dignity and Honor” has to do with this concern – that when there is only one nominee, those that did not get the nod, have to be brought on board, to help the nominee win – against the Democrats, against Obama, Pelosi and Reid and their Socialist agenda. How can we do that if we are stomping and dancing on the corpses of the other candidates and their supporters?  How do we expect those supporters to turn around and stand up for the one we need to get to DC? If we leave a candidate and their supporters without honor and dignity….then we have not lived up to the principles that we so often speak of eloquently here at RedState.

This is not meant to be preachy, but only to express concern and an approach: keep in mind that disagreements can happen, but there’s no need to fire cannons, when a a squirt gun will do. Think about every person here who expresses their opinion as doing a beautiful job of exemplifying that wonderful First Amendment. People that we make into enemies today will not become friendly acquaintances tomorrow.

Now I have a hurricane to get ready for, Hurricane Earl is heading my way, so it reminds me to always try to keep all of these things in perspective.

COMMENTS

  • http://andrightlyso.com/ civil_truth

    Civil and truth – difficult to keep the two in balance at times in the heat of passions swirling around.

    Thanks for the reminder.

    • penguin2

      take me long to realize that you fit your user name was perfect for you.

      I thank you!

    • penguin2
  • http://www.hickpolitics.com Dave Poff (haystack)

    I remember the ’08 primaries. Lots of emotion for our chosen candidates…lots of bickering…lots of “bat and ball and go home” mentalities that stirred up much angst and animosity ’roundchere. We lost some good RS family members in that bloodbath, and even more folks just disengaged from the debate.

    Kissing and making up is a part of life. Rallying, now, behind the victor of these primaries so we can hopefully push the “R” over the finish line ahead of the “D” is where we find ourselves. What’s done is done now, and it’s time to move ahead.

    Kicking anyone that fell down on the side of a candidate that lost serves us no purpose going forward. Victory dances need to wait for Nov. 3…as EE has pointed out…this is FAR from over-we’ve won nothing yet, and we’ll need the whole of our side working together now to finish what we started.

    Well done P!

    • penguin2

      they are here, – to learn, to become active and share their unique gifts for the Cause. Can’t do it if we’re shedding blood.

      Thank you for your input, and wisdom.

  • eburke

    to write a diary reminding us that what unites us far exceeds what divides us. Such loving, motherly adomonition to put down the sticks (or in janis’s case, that hickory club she keeps hidden out by the outhouse :-) ) and play nice with each other.

    Perfect words. Perfect timing.

    Just what we’ve come to expect from our fine-feathered penguin.

    • penguin2

      club. I just wanted to make sure that we don’t hurt ourselves, so much is at stake, but in the end the value of each and every one of us, should surpass the political points. People are much more important.

      Thank you, for your understanding in the political game, you are often in the thick of it at times, but you come away not needing too many band-aids. :-)

  • http://stixblog.com Black River Wolf

    Very timely and very good post. I know some of us get all caught up int the battle and sometimes forget who the real enemy is.

    I forgot who said it or where I have seen this:
    “Conservative in the Primary and Republican in the General Election”

    It is good to debate and to disagree, but it is never good to go after someone personally.

    We are all grown ups here, let’s act like it

  • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

    I remember that well, during the 08 primaries. I was a Fredhead and was hugely disappointed with his campaigning. I was told I “had” to vote for McCain because he was assuredly the nominee at that point, no ifs, ands, or buts about it. No explanation, just a dictate.

    I calmly told the poster who said that, no I didn’t “have” to vote for anybody because my vote is mine, not theirs to order to their liking. To do the right thing, yeah, I had to vote for McCain but the lesson there was that it wasn’t their responsibility to order me but to persuade me. I don’t know if that lesson has been learned, yet.

    The thing that makes us conservatives also makes us hard to “herd.” We are individuals and believe in individual freedom and come at our decisions in individual ways. It also sets our backs up when somebody says we “have to” about anything, as we’re witnessing with the TEA parties, Beck’s rally, and other movements going on right now.

    We might not always get the candidate we want but those of us here know that we do have to vote for the candidate who wins the primary. Our task is to persuade others who would sit on the sidelines to do the right thing, not beat each other up over the one who loses.

    Happily, Obama and Co. have made it an easier task this time around, haven’t they?

    • http://www.hickpolitics.com Dave Poff (haystack)

      ..

      • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C
    • penguin2

      but your words of having to “persuade” others to support and vote for the final nominee is essential to achieving our goals. Watching people beat each other over the head, and then wonder why we still didn’t pull it off….well that won’t hold up; maybe temporarily, but not long term. Getting to November is the first step, voting is the second, and after that, the third step needs to be taken to make things work.

      We need all hands on deck. Thank you so much for your input and your take on things. As I said, I wasn’t here during the 08 primaries, but I heard it was “brutal” and some never recovered. Don’t want that to happen now or in the future.

      • http://hillbillypolitics.com Steph C

        Thanks.

    • http://www.veronicaestrada.com Veronica

      “The thing that makes us conservatives also makes us hard to

  • http://www.theminorityreportblog.com/blog/loren_heal Socrates

    We (radical teaparty conservative Republican diarists on Redstate) must remember that we (conservative Republican diarists on Redstate) are all on the same team, and that we (Republican diarists on Redstate) should all pull in the direction we (Republicans) all want to go.

    • penguin2

      Very clever and thank you. :)

  • lineholder

    This IS a war we are fighting…a war against socialism, a war to protect and preserve our liberties and freedoms when those elected into office will not do so.

    There are posters here on RS who have the knowledge of the law and of legal policies and procedures that are qualified to take their place on the front of line of that battle. I’m not one of them. I’m learning, but I’m not even close to being qualified to take on that kind of role in this war. At best, I can only stand to the side and offer encouragement and moral support, and maybe cover their backs from time to time.

    Given how high the stakes really are, being on the front line is a place of honor. It’s also a choice the individual has to make on their own. They either commit or they don’t.

    • penguin2

      Every person is important. Yes, some people have specialized knowledge and they are using it to further the cause, but others can be there in support, which is just as important.

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    The key to losing with anything approaching “Dignity and Honor” is to be a class act. Michael Steele, whether you like his job performance at the RNC, or not, got the job by failing upward. He was better than Ben “Retread” Cardin in every respect during the GOP Abandon All Hope Year of 2006.

    The Lisa Murkowskis and Bob Bennets getting sucked out into the ocean by the Tea Party Rip-Tide need to support the team. They need to endorse and work for the GOP candidates who beat them. Swallow the pride. Can the hubris. Except that someone else is the starting QB.

    Don’t be Matt Lineart and if their careers are not reviveable, they will at least remain well-respected int heir retirements.

    • penguin2

      of both sides acting with dignity toward each other. Have to find the common ground of mutual understanding and goals, though I’ve learned that politics is probably the hardest place to achieve it. But it can be done. I like your phrasing, “falling upward” – that’s a good way to describe it. Lose with grace and dignity, win with grace and dignity.

  • http://thesandsinstitute.org Vassar Bushmills

    There really is little else to be said. And ‘Stack was right, the timing is perfect. I was going to do a piece on leadership in the next week or so, on the same theme, only concerning finding the right kind of leader to bring RINO and Conservative together around the country. Seems we have the model right here at RS.

    • janis

      make a difference one way or the other. But I would like to note that God was in particularly fine form when he nurtured the soul that would belong to penguin. He took a piece of His own love for humanity, in all its disorderly and sometimes unlovely behavior, and tucked it right into the place where penguin’s heart and soul would cherish and make it grow.

      She is one of a kind and we are so very fortunate to have her! And she’s just plain stuck with us. :-)

      • redneck_hippie
        • penguin2

          Thank you for your kind words. I can tell you that I’m glad to be “stuck” with you folks!

    • penguin2

      glistening of the eyes occurred. How fortunate I am to have such wonderful, wise and supportive friends. I don’t have any answers except a perspective that all of us are important to this fight, and that hurtful words are poorly erased from memory. Nevertheless, I believe that we can make an effort to head in this direction. The alternative is too destructive.

      Again, thank you, to two wonderful members of RedState.

  • TxTess

    I always enjoy your postings because you say a lot of what I would like to say, but in nicer ways. There is something to say for just being courteous and well mannered.
    Maybe you should come to Austin early to get out of Earl’s way. I will keep you and your family in my prayers.

    • penguin2

      Thank you for keeping us in prayer regarding this storm. Also, thank you for your kind words. It really is part of the old maxim, not so much ‘what’ one says, but ‘how’ it is said.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister
  • louisiana
  • ntrepid

    Ahhhhh, the memories of the

    • penguin2

      The blog and the comments as well. Fun to see the names of the posters too. The neat thing is to read it from an historical perspective, as in looking at the things that have come to pass, since you wrote it.

      My goal in writing this post, was to keep folks from destroying each other while we are having these “lively” discussions. Somehow we have to debate and win-lose, lose-win and still keep people onboard. It can be done by remembering that no one is all right, and no one is all wrong.

      Don’t see you much around these days, you should write more posts. Thank you for your input.

  • AKSteveB

    Losing sucks ..period. Combining graciousness in losing with that passion is something that I suspect only a blessed few are capable of, at least in the moment. I think it takes the average person a few hours/days to get to that stage.

    If we can’t follow Reagan’s 11th Commandment anymore, and we may be too split for that, the thing we HAVE to do is go with the assumption that our opponents on our side have good intentions, even if occasionally untrue. Being accused of stuff from your own side is the type of thing that makes it hard to work together later on.

    As I said a few days ago, we’ll get behind Miller and he is quite likely to win. There was no reason to not trust that we would.

    • penguin2

      Can’t form alliances or unify if we are so destructive to opponents on our own side. Very difficult to repair broken relationships, and in politics the cost is way to0 high for our side.

      • Achance
        • Doc Holliday

          since Michael Jackson’s “Billie Jean” :)

          • Achance

            pretty good f%^in’ on the dance floor to it back in my single days.

            Like I’ve said elsewhere, I’ll vote for the nominee. What else I do depends on who asks me, what they ask me to do, and how much they want. In the end it’s all about money.

        • penguin2

          of this very point that I tried to make; your post and the interactions part of the broader picture. The GOP primary senate race in Alaska had more visibility here at RS, because of the members, but the same scenes were likely played out in almost every primary race in the country.

          As I read and observed the incredible intensity of feeling present in those comments in your post, I was sitting here thinking…People need to realize that when all is said and done, we are going to need Art and others like him, to work to support whoever is the eventual nominee. Kept echoing in my mind, that if we do so much damage in winning our point for our candidate, we can never get it together to beat the Dems. Unrealistic to expect someone to get out the vote for a candidate, if the day before they stabbed “your” (meant in general application) candidate (and supporters) in the heart with words.

          Maybe some of this is fixable, maybe not. But awareness of trying to prevent great chasms from being created is essential for alliances and unity. Of course, I’d be happy if you pulled your punches too, but I think you already know that. :)

  • qixlqatl

    You have written exactly the kind of diary on this subject that I wish that I could write.

  • http://www.veronicaestrada.com Veronica

    You don’t post (“speak”) much, but when you do, not an idle word.

    Much to learn from this as well — I thank you!

    Have a wonderful week. :)

    • penguin2

      to you and others who do a such a great job and are naturals.

      Between what I witnessed during the recent primaries and the stories I’ve been told of previous elections, I thought there was something important we needed to grab onto here. Treating our own as a foe to be destroyed one day, and then aligned with the next, well that is asking a lot……

  • itrytobenice

    And that said…FRED!!!!

    • penguin2
  • Paul Hittson

    You are so right on with this. Too often people are spiteful after a hard faught primary. As you so eliquently spelled it out, the goal is to defeat the socialist agenda, and we can’t do that fighting amongst ourselves or sitting on the sidelines out of spite.

    • penguin2

      We have so much to do, and every vote is needed to defeat the Democrats. The election results of 2008 showed that many on our side did not vote. I understand that is one’s choice, but two things: 1) I hope that people will rethink that philosophy in future elections, and 2) We need to find a way to create alliances once we get through primaries. That can only be done if we don’t destroy each other getting to the primary.

  • lovethetruth

    I am sorry, but agreeing to disagree is what has gotten us to this place of liberalism that steals the resolve to get the real job done. When a liberal republican is elevated to the position of the Republican Nominee, he has just stolen his position. That person is the very person who is dragging the Republican Party to the lukewarm world of liberalism. I live in Tennessee. The liberal candidate got the ticket but the majority of the votes were split between the two conservative candidates. Now, we are stuck with a liberal who will just a easily vote with the Democrats as with the Republicans. Why bother voting for him? Yes, we must vote for him for the same reason we had to vote for McCain. But, we must stop this progression of evil that allows the evil to triumph because the liberal liars paint themselves as angels of light. Civility fails to address the issue of evil that comes dressed in sunshine and light and leads to destruction.

    • penguin2

      in a number of races. When several conservatives split the conservative vote and then the more liberal candidate gets in on the rest. That is a different problem – sometimes frustrating because we had a six-candidate race here, 3 were conservatives, and the ugly before the primary was bad. Fortunately one of them did win, now we need the rest to unify to get back the seat from the Dems, who took it in 08. Likely different solutions are required to not overload our own primaries with conservatives splitting the votes and letting the lib in and then the general election where, our side doesn’t unify behind our candidate.

      But one area of civility is to reasonably try and focus on an issue and not the person, and this wasn’t just meant for the candidate, but as regards the treatment of their supporters.

      Thank you for commenting, appreciate your input.

  • Stan(ley) Pruss

    Many losing candidates in very close races conceded graciously. (Perhaps more so than some of their supporters) The founders hung together because the King really would have hung them seperately. Obama et. al. is so scary that our side is very strongly motivated to work together to save the country. We must build on this concept of accepting the primary winner now when it seems so important so that a few years from now when we have the majority it will still be the accepted way. Fight very hard but cleanly in the primary, unite in the general. I still have two “Fred” coffee thermos’s. I voted for “him” and her in Nov. The lesson is that every Republican candidate would have been much better than what we have. In the last 18 months we have seen that every D is loyal to Soros et al when it matters to them.

    • penguin2

      much better than what we have.” Certainly that is true, and I am sure many realize that now. This point you made is excellent:

      We must build on this concept of accepting the primary winner now when it seems so important so that a few years from now when we have the majority it will still be the accepted way.

      Focus on the approach and the issues regarding candidates and their supporters. Try to prevent bitterness from dividing us.

      Thank you for your reco, and input.

  • jgbennet

    REPUBLICANISM

    John Adams wrote Otis Warren in 1776, he agreed with the Greeks and the Romans, that, “Public Virtue cannot exist without private, and public Virtue is the only Foundation of Republics.” Adams insisted, “There must be a positive Passion for the public good, the public Interest, Honour, Power, and Glory, established in the Minds of the People, or there can be no Republican Government, nor any real Liberty.

    And this public Passion must be Superior to all private Passions. Men must be ready, they must pride themselves, and be happy to sacrifice their private Pleasures, Passions, and Interests, nay their private Friendships and dearest connections, when they Stand in Competition with the Rights of society.”

    Adams worried that a businessman might have financial interests that conflicted with republican duty; indeed, he was especially suspicious of banks.

    OR MAYBE IT’S JUST POLITICS
    http://politheo.com/americanpolitics1809.html

    ***We Republicans had a virtuous leader once but he was destroyed by a powerful propaganda machine labeling him an extremist…..

    Today he would be cast aside and called a Rino***

    Below are his words

    • penguin2

      speech excerpts. Outstanding points they made and say exactly what we needed to hear.

      Appreciate you stopping by and commenting. Knowledge like this is what we need. Difficult to believe how far we’ve lost out way.

  • jgbennet

    his campaign slogan was

    “IN YOUR HEART YOU KNOW HE IS RIGHT”

    most people today do not even know about republicanism or Barry Goldwater and that is a real shame.

    Here is what the Heritage Foundation had to say about Goldwater

    Conservative Roots

    There were several milestones in the first 20 years of the Conservative movement, such as the publication of The Conservative Mind and the founding of National Review, but none equaled the political salience of Barry Goldwater