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is one sick bastard.

This is part of the postscript to his letter to Clinton:

P.S. I was co-counsel in Roe v. Wade, have sired zero children and one fetus, the abortion of which was recently recounted by my ex-wife in her book…

You could insert any issue facing the country right now and get the same argument every time.

There is no middle ground and never will be. One hopes this one is also front page worthy. The Lincoln text encapsulates the very essence of conservatism to me.

From reading your diaries and your comments at RedState I knew in advance that the liberty I took in exchanging the word slavery with the word abortion would not offend you.

I hope that Republican leadership will appeal for the support and the vote from the African-American community. We should not write off any group because of their voting pattern in recent elections. We need to take a stand against this barbarism, and reveal the hidden agenda of the Ron Weddington’s in our midst.

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Abortion cannot be ended in a manner any differently from slavery, the Holocaust, or any other similar grave injustice.

To argue that such action would not be warranted by the non-legislative branches of government or that we should wait for the majority to change their minds on their own takes away the legitimacy, credibility, and seriousness of the argument. It becomes a joke.

This really shouldn’t be seen as a “conservative” principle but actually as a truly progressive one. The idea is not to preserve an old way of life or faith or cultural tradition. If it is, then you have no place arguing to protect the unborn by law.

Our efforts must be to break from tradition and (without reliance on spiritual or supernatural beliefs) to give rights where they not only have never before been given but also have been grossly and unjustly violated for nearly 40 years.

If abortion is right, it ought to be extended; if not, it ought to be restricted — there is no middle ground. If it is right, we cannot justly object to its nationality — its universality; if it is wrong, they cannot justly insist upon its extension — its enlargement.

You’ll note that Abe was talking about preventing it’s expansion, not abolition. In fact…

Wrong as we think abortion is, we can yet afford to let it alone where it is, because that much is due to the necessity arising from its actual presence in the nation.

So in your comparison, the solution is obvious-return the issue to the states where it belongs. Of course that isn’t likely anytime soon now that the Obaminator is in charge of stacking the court with political hacks masquerading as Justices. The only thing to do now is hope he doesn’t have more than 2 retirements in the next two years and screws up everything else enough to let the GOP pick up 7-8 Senate seats in 2010.

And I disagree with this…

I believe that there has not been a change of heart and attitude by the donkey party from the time of Abraham Lincoln with respect to the barely educated poor segments of our country. There has been a change of strategy. The strategy then was to make good use of them in the same way good use was made of livestock. In our more modern urban world the strategy is for them to just die out by not reproducing.

Wrong. This may be true of neo-nazi groups like Planned ‘Parenthood’, but the political left needs the poor and uneducated to stay in power. Class envy and appealing to ignorance are their primary political tools. Which may be another reason (aside from being owned by the NEA) they are fanaticly opposed to education reform. Theirs is the politics of vampirism. Without their electoral food source, they’d wither away.

but got confused and ended up accidentally unrecommending it. I’m sorry because I loved this diary! Looking at my little two and 4 year old grandchildren makes me think with such sadness of all the little ones who never got their chance due to abortion.

Neither of my grandbabies were planned and my husband and I have occasionally felt overwhelmed with the amount of time and energy that we have used to care for them, but they add such joy, such love and such humor to our lives that we would be truly impoverished without them. God always knows who we need in our lives.

Although I can’t help but wonder at the plan behind raising up someone like Obama to be POTUS.

…is one of a thousand reasons to lose faith in humanity.

Don’t give them help or encouragement…just give them the opportunity to murder their babies!

The use of the Lincoln viewpoint has been used many times before. It never works. Why? Because we, as a party, contradict ourselves on too many of our positions.

We want keep government out of our everyday life except we have no problem legislating someone’s reproductive actions.

We are the party that supports Right to Life except when it comes to criminals.

It goes on and on. I’m not a fan of abortion but I’m not going to support legislation that restricts an adult from having one.

If I honestly believe in limited government intrusions then explain, outside of the death penalty, is more intrusive than legislating reproductive rights?

I thought I posted a reply, however I guess I messed up! Won’t be the last time & wasn’t the first…

Many people say they’re pro-choice just so the pro-abort crowd will not shout at them. Most people live their lives & raise their families by what we call conservative social & moral principles. Our party should ALWAYS stand for this. The moderate pale pastel crowd wants to water this down, while (hopefully) ignorant of the strong base this is & that it attracts votes.

We should always keep the pro-life plank in the Republican party platform. The plank that is missing is limited (small) government fiscally responsible conservatism. This was lost 2000-2006, & must be reclaimed. We should pressure our leaders to reclaim this, because it is the thing that has been missing. We have too keep strong national security & conservative social principles, & re-add the strong plank (or 3rd leg of the stool) of limited government & fiscal responsiblity. Our candidates who run on this win much more than lose, & it’s the correct policy to make our nation stronger & more vibrant.

We have our work cut out for us, especially the next 2 years keeping as much ofthe flood of flop & flotsam that will be Democrat congress/Obama proposals from taking hold. We will need to remain informed & in constant contact with our elected representatives – thanking them when they do right, chastising them if they do not, & getting them on the right side of the fence if they’re straddling. It will be work, but will be well worth it as (hopefully & prayerfully) new leadership emerges in the Republican party who reclaims the mantle of fiscally responsible limited government conservatism.

Is a misnomer we should attack from all angles. Just another example of devious packaging, double-speak, Orwellian language, or effectively framing the issue – which ever way you want to look at it. This is in the same way the term ‘pro-choice’ is used, when the reality of it is actually ‘pro-abortion’. Why ‘reproductive’ rights, when the end results are no reproduction at all.

Abortion is a genetic and cultural dead end. I say that not to diminish the argument concerning the protection of life (my number one priority), but merely to bring up a point I rarely see mentioned. The millions of lives lost to abortion is squandered potential of this nation. Rather than the drain on society that Sanger and Weddington invision, I submit the lives lost are a loss of strength. Who are (were) they to determine what contributions these unborn would make to our history? The audacity of any person to determine the worth of another because of their origins! What is the connection between abortion, reduced birth rates, and illegal immigration? Do we really want to duplicate the situation in Europe and their unassimilated immigrants?

We would do well to illuminate the origins and agenda of the Planned Parenthood movement with regard to abortion, notwithstanding the short attention span of the intended audience.

Pilgrim, you have created an excellent post, bringing those two elements together as you did. My hat is off to you.

A conservative worldview is based on, as Kirk said, “an enduring moral order”. Absolute truths are essential, although what we use as absolute truth may vary to some extent.

The idea that we should pursue absolute truths doesn’t solve the abortion question. The real world has all sorts of complications, e.g. murder (defined carefully) is always wrong, but killing someone on a battlefield or in self-defense are allowed.

Many people believe that even if a fertilized egg has significant moral value, that it’s not yet a human being and shouldn’t trump a women’s (absolute?) right to control her own body.

(Again, RedState is a political site and I’m not trying to change anyone’s views of right and wrong. I just think that a coalition in favor of small gov’t is easier if social conservatives actually try to understand fiscal and defense conservatives who have somewhat different social views. I’m also quite happy to defend social conservatives in a thread that tries to kick them out of the GOP.)

… you don’t distort my position.

stop trying to persuade people to change their position on being pro-life.

I’ve never done that in this thread, on my own diary, or in real life.

The data suggests that the vast majority of Americans would ban nearly all second trimester abortions. Put that on the ballot in SD instead of all or nothing — which so far has always led to nothing. There are a whole bunch of people who could be your allies in placing additional restrictions on abortion. Call them “pro life after the first trimester”. Why are you pretending they don’t exist?

unless some people change their pro-life position they won’t win elections?

I’m trying to change how people apply a strongly-held personal belief (i.e. a position) to the thorny business of building winning coalitions. To me, that’s not remotely similar to asking someone to give up their beliefs or values (their positions).

OK, last word goes to you, even if you quibble with my definitions!