They Are Not Monsters






I just stumbled upon an article in The Brussels Journal, Wilders causes another row. Pre-captivity Stockholm-Syndrome.

In a speech in the Dutch Parliament last Thursday, the Dutch opposition leader Geert Wilders referred to Joanie de Rijke’s case.


“She was raped, but she was not angry. The journalist who went looking for the Taliban in Afghanistan saw her curiosity end in a cruel ordeal of multiple rape. While this would make others angry or sad, this journalist shows understanding. She says: ‘They also respected me.’ And she was given tea and biscuits.”



“This story” Wilders said,

“is a perfect illustration of the moral decline of our elites. They are so blinded by their own ideology that they turn a blind eye to the truth. Rape? Well, I would put this into perspective, says the leftist journalist: the Taliban are not monsters.

The article went on to describe the reaction to this speech.

Wilders’ words caused instant fury on all benches except those of his own party. Parliamentarians and government ministers reacted furiously to his reference to Joanie de Rijke. “You should be ashamed of yourself,” Femke Halsema of the far-left Green Left Party yelled. Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende, a Christian-Democrat, called Wilders’ statement “extremely painful and tasteless.”



As in the case of Rush’s comments about Sonia Sotermayor, they do not dispute his conclusions. They just think it is so politically incorrect for him to state these conclusions.


This 43 year old lady journalist traveled from Flanders to Afghanistan to interview some Taliban fighters who had killed ten French soldiers last August. When she arrived for the interview the Taliban fighters abducted her and sent her interpreter back to Kabul with the message that 2 million dollars in ransom must be paid or they would slit her throat. The Dutch and Belgian governments refused to pay the ransom. The magazine she worked for offered $100,000 Euros, and the Taliban leader accepted the money after holding her hostage for six days.

In her book In de handen van de Taliban, which she published last month, she writes that the Taliban commander

“could not control his testosterone. I had the impression that afterwards he regretted what had happened. He knew it was wrong.”

The noble savage even “invited her to a threesome,” i.e. to have sex with him and one of his three wives.


After her release, Joanie de Rijke, too, criticized the Dutch and Belgian authorities for their refusal to pay ransom. “The Belgians have done nothing. They said it was a matter for the Dutch. And the Dutch authorities said they never pay ransom. In Afghanistan they know well enough that Western governments pay up after an abduction. Germany, Italy and France have all paid ransoms.”


Though de Rijke was angry with the Dutch and Belgian authorities, she told the Dutch media in interviews given after her release that she was not angry with her abductors. “I do not want to depict the Taliban as monsters. I am not angry with Ghazi Gul. After all, he let me live,” she said. About the rape ordeal she declared that though the experience had been horrible, she was also shown respect.


De Rijke, too, said she was appalled at Wilders’ statement. “I did feel angry because of the rape,” she explained, “what I tried to make clear was that the acts of the Taliban cannot be reduced to rape. The fact that I wanted to stress that aspect of my feelings is not the same as the Stockholm syndrome people like Wilders like to talk about. In a war situation people seem only able to think in black and white. I wanted to refine the story. A person is not a monster because he calls himself Taliban.”

Her reaction confirms precisely what Wilders was trying to say. In reality the Taliban are not monsters because they call themselves Taliban, but because they behave like monsters. People like de Rijke, however, no longer judge people by their behavior and their actions, but condone them for the noble motives which they imagine have driven them to commit their acts.

This sickness is not just something one can find among the Dutch elites. This sickness of being so blinded by your ideology that you turn a blind eye to the truth can also be found in Bakersfield, CA. March 30, 2009.


The story comes from KGET:

The woman had just left the Babies R Us store when she noticed a man in a tattered military coat lurking in the parking lot, she told police. The woman told detectives she was worried because the man looked like a thug, but she didn’t want to seem racist.


So, not wanting to seem racist, the Bakersfield, California woman proceeded to her car, where the man held her up at gun point and threatened to kill her 11 month old daughter if she didn’t do what he told her. He had her to drive to an ATM where he stole $500 from her, then he had had her drive to a junior high school parking lot where he raped her in front of her child.

These are disturbing stories for a couple of reasons. Reason number one is the outrage over merely identifying a moral decline evidenced by these incidents. Have we gotten to point where reporting the incident is more disturbing than the incident itself? I hope not. Reason number two is the fear that this sickness of being so blinded by your ideology that you turn a blind eye to the truth is a spreading sickness. Once again, I hope not.


Wilders understates the problem because this kind of sickness is far worse than Stockholm-Syndrome.
Cross-posted at The Minority Report


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The whore whose price is "a story" and the Drive-bys she works for and the Left are Monsters before

Mike gamecock DeVine Monday, June 8th at 9:28PM EDT (link)

and after the fact of Taliban monstrosities.

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Moral relativity isn't limited to the American Left -nt-

molybdanthan Monday, June 8th at 9:34PM EDT (link)

the example in Bakersfield is a bit different

pilgrim Monday, June 8th at 9:50PM EDT (link)

Her ideological concern in being so politically correct blinded her from following her instinct to avoid a thug.

It is a great advantage to a president, and a major source of safety to the country, for him to know that he is not a great man.Calvin Coolidge

The latter would rather risk being actually raped (or having her child harmed) rather than act upon

Mike gamecock DeVine Monday, June 8th at 11:03PM EDT (link)

legitimate prejudices based upon appearances and rape her own misplaced PC sensitivities.

pathetic

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Perhaps the reporter should go back and re-interview

mbecker908 Monday, June 8th at 10:36PM EDT (link)

the Taliban. Perhaps she could discern what part of their deprived upbringing could cause such a reaction. And she certainly should not only apologize to the Taliban, but should dedicate a significant portion of her future earnings to replacing the ransom they were unjustly denied.

CongressCritter™: Never have so few felt like they were owed so much by so many for so little.

 

STOCK-HOLM SYN-DROME!

Amy Miller Monday, June 8th at 10:44PM EDT (link)

~clap, clap, clapclapclap~

The sad thing is, it’s probably not.

Anyway, this journalist idiot has no idea what she’s done. I can see it now: soon, all over the world, liberal nutjobs will be defending the Taliban because of THIS WOMAN. So, the Taliban rapes women? Well, don’t judge them, because they feel bad about it! They’ll give you tea after they’re done, and–hey!–invite you to participate in a weird threesome! YES! STOP DISCRIMINATING against their uncontrollable MANLINESS! Boys will be boys, and besides, she got a hell of a story out of it!

~holds head in hands~

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"journalist idiot"

DONTREADONME Monday, June 8th at 10:51PM EDT (link)

short but apt description, plus read my last couple sentence in my comment below, I am sure it will definitely augment yours.

“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the UNITED AbomiNATIONS”-Megadeth

Add them together...

Amy Miller Monday, June 8th at 10:56PM EDT (link)

“journalist idiot” (should have been idiot journalist, but you know…) + “warped woman” == Her. I mean, what else is there?

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Nothing else Amy...

DONTREADONME Monday, June 8th at 11:04PM EDT (link)

I was having a good evening tonight until I read this story. There is nothing in this world more disgusting than rape (short of murder (abortion) and pedophillia). I guess I was brought up differently than Taliban monsters, somewhere established in my psyche is the drive to protect and respect women; however, it is upsetting to find a woman accepting of it, even understanding of it and to see politicians outraged at that man who spoke before them, because I am in complete agreement with him. It just not compute.

“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the UNITED AbomiNATIONS”-Megadeth

This story reminds me of Pippa Bacca

LJ "Beaglescout" Miller Tuesday, June 9th at 12:55AM EDT (link)

From i-Italy.
Bacca, 33, along with sister artist Silvia Moro, left Milan on March 8th, International Women’s Day, for their “Brides on Tour” piece, an international tour through the Balkans, Turkey, and Middle East. The performance piece involved the two women who were wearing specially designed and crafted “wedding dresses” hitchhiking the entire length of the journey on behalf of peace. Web reports stated that, “She had said she wanted to show that she could put her trust in the kindness of local people.” [...]

The two women separated in Istanbul on March 19th, planning to meet up in Beirut. She was last seen on March 31st in Gebze, a town 70 miles southeast of Istanbul. Her naked body was found this past Saturday. A truck driver, who confessed to raping and strangling di Marineo, was caught after using his SIM card in di Marineo’s cell phone.

“Each of us has a natural right, from God, to defend his person, his liberty, and his property.”

–Frederic Bastiat

Two Majors advised me to watch "Taken"...

DONTREADONME Tuesday, June 9th at 1:07AM EDT (link)

apparently from their synopsis this is how American men should treat slimeballs who abduct, kidnap or rape our women. I would say it may be a little over the edge, but none-the-less these stories are a reason why we should never accept actions against women eventhough those that have been raped may relate to their offenders. And never take for granted the dangers that exist in the world. Some individuals in this world seem to be missing that little piece of humanity that tells us instictively danger exists. Does that make sense?

“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the UNITED AbomiNATIONS”-Megadeth

 
 
 
 
 

The funny thing is...

CJB68 Thursday, June 11th at 7:16AM EDT (link)

   What’s really funny about this is that, to the Politically Correct, manliness is to be tolerated only in those people who aren’t White, Anglo-Saxon, Protestant Christians.  Islamist radicals and terrorists are perfectly suited to carry out their testosterone-laced aggressions and twisted ethics on whomever they please.  So what if a few of their fellow anti-Americans are raped or murdered; it’s all in the name of social justice.

Delusional and Arrogant.  The 2008 Democratic Presidential Ticket.

 
 

I could understand Stockholm syndrome as a survival...

DONTREADONME Monday, June 8th at 10:49PM EDT (link)

mechanism, but I could never understand the actual cases where the survivor actually ends up relating and feeling a sympathy for the devil. Men like myself would not hesitate to put bullets through the cranium of monsters like these because we have to.

This woman’s rather fondness of her captives should be the subject of a new psychological disorder if she indeed feels sympathy; however, the writing of the book and the subsequent publishing is plenty enough for me to say this woman whored her experience in either an effort to be rich and famous or she is so blinded by her “compassion” she can not rationally determine good from evil.

None-the-less, men who conduct these acts regardless of the woman’s sympathy deserve a two in the heart and one in the head to protect other woman who may not find these acts similarly enlightening as this warped woman has.

“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the UNITED AbomiNATIONS”-Megadeth

 

it just defies reality

E Pluribus Unum Monday, June 8th at 11:03PM EDT (link)

I can’t relate to somebody so desperately out of touch with reality. I don’t get it.

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I had to read the thing twice...

DONTREADONME Monday, June 8th at 11:08PM EDT (link)

because I just didn’t get it either. I was having a real hard time believing what I was reading, I thought maybe I missed something the gentlemen said that got parliament up in arms. I agree, I don’t get it and I hope people in this country never will get it either.

“The UN is right? you can’t be any more “un”; Than you are right now, the UN is undone, Another mushroom cloud, another smoking gun, The threat is real, the Locust King has come, Don’t tell me the truth; I don’t like what they’ve done, Just give me ammo for the UNITED AbomiNATIONS”-Megadeth

 

Something I just started having trouble with ....

Amy Miller Monday, June 8th at 11:16PM EDT (link)

…is the woman who got raped and robbed as a result of her obsession with political correctness. ( I was experiencing such a mixture of revulsion and shock at the Taliban snippet, it sort of slipped past me.)

This is what we’ve become. We as a nation (excepting people who still have their brains intact) are so afraid of being labeled racist that we not only hesitate, but REFUSE to take steps to protect ourselves, our children, and even strangers from someone who could be dangerous!

I’d like to say it’s “unbelievable” or “outrageous”, but I’m saddened and dismayed to say that I’m not surprised at all.

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I don't know what it is

mom2oneson Monday, June 8th at 11:18PM EDT (link)

but she is in my prayers. She might wake up one day with clearer understanding and be crippled emotionally.

well mom, don't forget prayers for the Bakersfield lady

pilgrim Monday, June 8th at 11:27PM EDT (link)

Hopefully she will not put her baby and herself in harm’s way out of concern for political correctness in the future.

It is a great advantage to a president, and a major source of safety to the country, for him to know that he is not a great man.Calvin Coolidge

oh pilgrim

mom2oneson Monday, June 8th at 11:40PM EDT (link)

Honestly the first time I stopped reading the diary after the tea and biscuits, it made me so upset, I’m familiar with that culture and it just made me sick that they seemed to work in social customs like what that did was nothing and its life as usual. I just read the rest and yes prayers for healing for the lady in Bakersfield especially for continued strength care for her child while dealing with this. Thank you for sharing and taking the time to write this, you have great insight and this needs to be read by everyone.

 
 
 

Reluctant to condemn Ms. Rijke's personal confusion at this point

civil_truth Monday, June 8th at 11:26PM EDT (link)

She is undergoing intense cognitive dissonance in response to an intensely traumatic experience. So I will not condemn her mental and emotional confusion

However, I will criticize her decision to go public and politicize the story - which now puts her in a position where she will find it very difficult to actually sort out her psyche as she now has boxed herself into having to defend her rationalizations.

In that regard I have no sympathy for the liberal argument that her experience automatically grants her moral authority - sympathy with her experience does not immunize her from the consequences of a bad decision to “go public”. Geert Wilders is fully entitled to criticize her statements.

What is so discouraging is the eagerness of the Dutch elites to justify rape and to exculpate the perpetrators on political grounds, thereby severely damaging women around the world who now find their moral ability to stand up against male rapist compromised by this craven surrender.

she opened her mouth and removed all doubt...-nt

Mike gamecock DeVine Tuesday, June 9th at 12:07AM EDT (link)

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Sorry Civil, the confusion was there well before the event

The_Gadfly Tuesday, June 9th at 5:19AM EDT (link)

Nobody who is not willfully blind can read the setup for this event and not expect the outcome. They murdered 10 men and that was why she went to talk to them. We know they target teachers at schools for women before they go after the schools for boys. You can’t do an even cursory reading of the materials available in the MSM without knowing the Taliban are misogynists of the worst sort. Yet she walked in with only an interpreter to get the story. I won’t say she got what she deserved because even someone that abysmally stupid doesn’t deserve it, but any rational person with even a modicum of intelligence could easily have predicted this outcome.

We’ve been called racists enough now that it shouldn’t bother us any more.

-AChance, http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/03/what-men-may-do-we-have-done/#comment-24463

If NY23 was a beat down for Conservatives, what do you call what happened to Progressives in NJ and VA?

inspired by ColdWarrior, http://www.redstate.com/hooah_mac/2009/11/04/ny-23-the-agony-of-defeat-not-so-much/#comment-156

No question in my mind either than Ms. Rijke was delusional beforehand

civil_truth Tuesday, June 9th at 12:16PM EDT (link)

In her post-modern universe, there is no true evil, just misguided or misunderstood people (unless they’re conservatives or Christians).

The issue is that she was confronted with a gruesome reality is a most physical and emotional shattering manner, and I have no problem with affording her some deference with her trying to deal with the wreakage in her personal life (at least until she drags her issues into the public arena, see below**).

As I interpret what went down, Ms. Rijke obejctively is dealing with loss - and there are 5 stages in the grieving process: denial, anger, bargaining, depression, and acceptance. Not everyone gets though all the stage, nor is it a linear process by any means.

Denial, the first stage, can be extremely powerful - and Ms. Rejke demonstrates the power of denial (which includes rationalization, which is what she has done here).

The problem for her is that she decided to go public while still in the denial/rationaization stage. I don’t know if this came from disordered thinking on her part or whether her “friends” with their own political agendas pushed her into this. But, by going public and politicizing her personal tragedy, she has frozen her healing and further injured herself.

**However, her going public at this point moves this situation from a personal tragedy to her committing a public offensethat affects and hurts us all - and at this point I have to lay aside sympathy and deal with the problem that she has created for the rest of us.

By her actions, she has severely damaged women around the world by cutting out the ground from under them when they try to resist rape and abuse and imprisonment in forced marriages by her exoneration of the culpable - thereby putting all these other women victims in the wrong as well for protesting.

So at this point, it no longer matters whether she is confused, in denial, or inhumanely “politically correct” - her actions in defending her rapists deserve censure and condemnation because they are wrong. And if her feelings are “hurt” by this criticism - well that is the consequence of still another bad decision of hers.

But even more, the reaction of other politicians exposes the depraved depths to which postmodern PC thinking has infiltrated the Dutch elite (and many others in Europe and the U.S.).

No, Ms. Rijke’s “victim” status (granted to her by political bias - a conservative “would have had it coming to her”) does not give her the authority to declare that rape was okay in her case - and by defending here position, these leaders and their sympathizers have abandoned any right of claim to speak for human rights or any other universal value.

Rape is evil and wrong, and attempts to selectively immunize certain individuals or groups because of political ideology simply exposes the depravity of the defenders.

 
 
 

This comes from the same sort of "sensitivity" which allows US liberals to turn a blind eye human rights abuses in Muslim countries.

randy streu Tuesday, June 9th at 7:50AM EDT (link)

Stoning a woman for glancing inappropriately seems horrible to Republican troglodytes like us, but open-minded liberals understand that this is simply a part of the culture.

I want to feel bad for this reporter, to sympathize because I’m incapable of empathy in this situation. But justifying a rape because it was followed up with tea, biscuits and an offer for more exploitative — but consentual — sex? I can’t even begin to plumb the depths of that sort of depravity.

I don’t blame the woman in the second story, any more than I blame a woman who is raped in an alley, or drugged in a bar. I don’t blame the reporter for being raped. We should not be in the business of suggesting that rape victims were “asking for it,” simply because of a political ideology. She was naive — her naivete made her a victim. She should thank God it didn’t make one of her child.

 

The greatest sin

JustLeaveMeAlone Wednesday, June 10th at 12:31AM EDT (link)

in the USA and, indeed, in Western Civilization today is, apparently, to be politically incorrect.

God forbid you should do anything that might possibly be construed as racist. (Sexist, however, seems to be ok.)

We are so afraid of being called racist or Islamaphobes that we will bear any atrocity with a shrug and a plea for broaden minds.

“To compel a man to subsidize with his taxes the propagation of ideas which he disbelieves and abhors is sinful and tyrannical.” Thomas Jefferson

 

Her words are actually unintended condemnation of the Taliban

Jack_Savage Wednesday, June 10th at 5:28PM EDT (link)

Whenever someone is attacked by an animal, they usually say, “I have no hard feelings toward the animal, he was simply acting as nature intended.”

If one thinks about de Rijke’s words, there is no difference. She does not blame the man who raped her because he simply could not help it - in other words, he is no better than an animal, without the intelligence, will or self-control to prevent himself from doing what he was doing. He has none of the attributes that make us human. She stretched to give him the benefit of the doubt about whether he was remorseful, although he did nothing to give any reasonable person that impression.

This is part and parcel of the left’s opinion of others - they can’t help what they do and are not responsible for themselves because they are barely human.

actually Jack, you're right. She didn't even refer to a man.

pilgrim Wednesday, June 10th at 5:54PM EDT (link)

In that excerpt from her book she wrote about the ‘noble savage’. So while she repeatedly said they are not monsters she never does say that they are humans.

It is a great advantage to a president, and a major source of safety to the country, for him to know that he is not a great man.Calvin Coolidge

 

"No better than an animal?"

Slightly_Askew Wednesday, June 10th at 6:46PM EDT (link)

“No, it was a human thing. You should not insult the brutes by such a misuse of that word; they have not deserved it…” — Mark Twain

Ouch

Jack_Savage Wednesday, June 10th at 7:11PM EDT (link)

I’m keeping that quote handy.

 
 
 

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