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Can You Name This GOP Candidate?

I’m driven to run for president… because I can’t stand the thought that we’re about ready to hand down the greatest nation that ever was to your generation less good, less competitive, saddled with debt, less hopeful than the country I got.

His tax reforms included $110 million in income-tax cuts, and would mandate a state-wide flat income-tax rate. Sales and food taxes were slashed too. The deal included tax credits aimed at attracting new business development, including mining.

He signed bills banning second-trimester abortions, reclassifying third-trimester abortions as a third-degree felony, and requiring abortion providers to explain the pain unborn children can experience during abortion. He signed a trigger law that would ban abortion outright if Roe is overturned. He opposes embryonic stem-cell research. And by establishing a state legal fund to defend these laws, he showed willingness to uphold state prerogatives.

He expanded the rights of gun-owners, abolishing some concealed-carry restrictions and allowing for more transport of firearms on roads. He signed a bill that would grant small-game hunting licenses to children under 12.

His administration routinely fought alongside business interests against the Interior Department and environmental groups to develop an energy economy.

One of the odder accomplishments of his administration was the reform of the state’s liquor laws. Before the reform, restaurants and bars had to comply with an arcane series of regulations that labeled them “private clubs” and required customers to pay extra fees to become members. He held dozens of meetings with business members and ecclesiastical authorities, hammering the message that this was a lost economic opportunity. Eventually he got even the most conservative stakeholders in civil society to give on the issue.

His state healthcare reform achieved more insurance coverage for residents without resorting to an individual mandate.

The majority whip in the state’s House of Representatives and perhaps the most stoutly conservative member of the state’s overwhelmingly right-leaning legislature, summing up his feelings on him, says:

I have an easy rule of thumb. If someone walks into the room and you cut $400 million in taxes and do school reform with him, you vote for him for president.

Some of you can name this candidate, and for those who aren’t sure – his name is Jon Huntsman. He is the most moderate candidate of the eight candidates. I want to make it clear that I support Rick Perry, and I will vote for Rick Perry in my state’s primary. I chose the most moderate candidate in the field to make a point. The point of this piece is to refute the notion that the 2012 GOP candidates are all weak and not up to the task of defeating Obama. It’s likely that Huntsman will drop out of the race after the New Hampshire primary. I believe that in the unlikely chance he wins the nomination he will be a better nominee than the 2008 GOP nominee, and he can defeat Obama to become the 45th U.S.President.

The Democrats are going to do more negative attacks than in any previous election. They will make stuff up, and try to destroy the nominee with false accusations. I’m not worried about you getting depressed and dispirited by the other side. What worries me are those Republicans who want you to believe that our nominee is too weak and Obama is too powerful. I don’t know if they think they are earning some respect from the mainstream media by picking the nits, but they are wrong to depress and discourage Republican voters. I will be disappointed if my choice does not win the nomination, but I will not be depressed and discouraged and sit out the 2012 election. It’s just too important for our nation that Obama must be voted out of office in 2012.

Cross-posted at Unified Patriots

COMMENTS

  • lucasblack

    Huntsman has run a horrible campaign. Now, perhaps it’s his campaign manager, but he signed off on the strategy. I don’t have a problem with Huntsman, but I don’t see how he wins. I hope after this, the only Republicans who hire John Weaver are moderates who are running in deep blue states. He might be useful to someone like Linda Lingle – he’s useless on the national stage. McCain would never have been the nominee if he hadn’t fired the guy.

    • http://www.unifiedpatriots.com/ pilgrim

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  • http://boldcolor.blogspot.com/ Paula

    If he didn’t make such headlines taking to twitter to insult conservative Christians and global warming skeptics, maybe his views on the issues would have gotten out earlier.

    • Scope

      I’m not aware of many conservatives that are willing to accept an Ambassadorship with an administration that is so far left progressive/liberal, and then send that far left president a letter telling him what a great leader he has been. Especially with China.

  • cheetah2

    that he is more conservative than Romney, but chose to run as a more moderate candidate. He and Perry are good friends.

    • wonkish1

      Of the Huntsman and his campaign from what I’ve looked into.

    • http://www.unifiedpatriots.com/ pilgrim

      I do know that they agree on many foreign policy issues and also with respect to tuition rates. Huntsman chose to make fun of Perry on creationism,, but I think Perry was more offended by Bachmann over Gardasil than by Huntsman.

      • cheetah2

        Perry identified Huntsman as the candidate he is the most friendly with.

  • lizzie

    1) yes, the Huntsmans and Perrys are good friends, since the time when both Jon and Rick were sitting governors. Mary Kaye and Anita have deepened their friendship ever since (the words of Anita Perry, and now they have gotten close with Callista).

    I think Perry IS more ‘friends’ with Huntsman than with any of the other candidates – which is what Leno asked Perry last night. I also think it helps Perry to keep the ‘Perry needs to disavow Rev Jeffers NOW’ critics quiet. There are some GOP punditheads who are trying to use ‘bigotry towards Mormons’ the same way the Dems use racism.

    2) Huntsman did his Mormon missionary stint on Taiwan. He was Bush41′s Ambassador to Singapore. He was Bush43′s US Trade Ambassador, which has cabinet-status. He put country over Party when he agreed to be Obama’s ambassador to China. I believe that – and considering how tense our relations with China are, Huntsman did a good job.

    3) Huntsman had a terrible campaign launch. Big office opening in Florida, big announcement at Liberty Park with no one but reporters there. Lame jokes.

    I have not been impressed with his debate style or answers. I am supposed to be his target voter, and, well, much better choice than Romney.

    He is 51, and a lot of people thought he was auditioning for SecState. I am not so sure he is the best choice for that, considering what is happening in the world. But, at least Huntsman has enough sense to smack Romney’s idiocy on China down.

    Well, I spend most of my mental energy on foreign issues – not politics – and I have no idea why Romney thinks China’s currency merits a trade war. That is Chuck Schumer’s position! Both are wrong.

    btw, Mary Kaye is Episcopalian, and I get the sense that Jon has secretly converted, with a dose of Buddhism. shhh, quiet. They just bought a house in Utah, just in case that Georgetown (DC) house is not needed.

    Anita Perry still misses the traditional Methodist Church.

    oh, my.

    • http://www.unifiedpatriots.com/ pilgrim

      http://www.nashuatelegraph.com/news/942011-196/gingrich-huntsman-to-take-part-in-lincoln-douglas-style.html

      I think this might be interesting. I also appreciate your info that Anita Perry and Mary Kaye Huntsman have become friends with Callista Gingrich.

      • lizzie

        will be far more stimulating than the Gingrich-Cain effort.

        I do NOT believe in conspiracies, but I do believe the dynamics of Perry+Gingrich+Huntsman>Romney, in cracking the inevitability myth.

        I DO believe someone is hacking news.google algorithm to damage Perry.
        His team needs to call in a favor from an Israeli uber-hacker – who better to take on the Paulbots?

        Before you get the wrong idea, I deeply admire Gov. Perry for helping stop the 2011 Gaza flotilla by writing a letter to AG Holder about enforcing the Neutrality Act., which stopped Bill Ayers’ boat from leaving Greece. A very under-reported story. Perry knew one of the lawyers who were using lawfare to stop the flotilla, and asked if he could help. One letter.

        That is true leadership fuelled by moral courage, and no seeking public acclaim.

        It may seem that Ron Paul mostly can not forgive Perry for being a conservative democrat until 1989, but Perry has an amazing, multi-dimensional relationship with Israel, since his first visit in 1992.
        Seems West Texas climate is similar to Israel, and, as Ag Commissioner, he wanted to learn about Israeli irrigation technology…today it is Texas technology companies who are helping develop the offshore natural gas fields, and, the 250BIL barrels of shale oil SE of Jerusalem. Also very under-reported stories. That Israeli shale oil = Saudi reserves. Imagine the shift in geopolitics if Europe had that much oil in the eastern Med.

        Here it is, almost 6 minutes with Greta on Nov. 25:
        http://www.foxnews.com/on-air/on-the-record/2011/11/26/anita-perry-texas-strong-wife-campaign-trail

        • avagreen

          Good info.

        • gekster

          You could make a diary with the Perry Isreali irrigation thing.
          Just what you said about it in this post is a good start.
          Some elaboration with some facts ans links backing it up would do.
          You think it should be out there, put it out there.
          You go with it girl.

          • wonkish1

            1. His border web cam pilot project. That was a Damn Good idea. Place web cams on the border and put the feed up so that anybody in the country with some spare time can keep them in the background and spot for illegals. I think they are still online(10 of them if I’m not mistaken–pilot project=small). Just think if the government put up thousands of them and paid people like $10 bucks per find(which is extremely cheaper than having tons of border patrol watching or paying people a salary to watch cameras.

            2. Perry’s *secondary* education proposals in Texas. At one point Perry essentially suggested converting the state aid of Texas for public universities into a voucher that would follow the students around. Excellent idea, but the universities screamed bloody murder and he wasn’t successful in getting it passed.

            But I have been very surprised with all of the Perry supporters on here that great Perry ideas like these haven’t even gotten a whimper on here over the last several months.

          • wonkish1

            “Put the feed up ***online*** so that everybody…”

          • gekster

            I didn’t know about them.
            Elaborate on what you have.

          • wonkish1

            http://www.blueservo.net/

            They have 21 of them now.

            I’ll track down the article on Perry and higher education.

          • wonkish1

            http://www.weeklystandard.com/articles/perry-and-profs_593055.html

            Key piece: Perry?s first poke at this sclerotic establishment came early in his first term. He suggested converting the money that the state gives to public colleges and universities into individual grants handed straight to students. Money is power, and Perry?s idea was to place the power in the hands of ?consumers,? as he put it, rather than the administrators, to increase competition among schools and thereby lower costs and increase quality. ?Young fertile minds [should be] empowered,? he said at the time, ?to pursue their dreams regardless of family income, the color of their skin, or the sound of their last name.?

            You’ll see later in that article that he got some water downed sub par legislation through later, but his initial idea was right on the money.

          • snowshooze

            Wonderful idea. Great way to kill time.

          • wonkish1

            Again I’m surprised these two subjects haven’t been brought up more on here(and in his debates and speeches quite frankly).

            I mentioned them off the cuff a few times on here in the past, but they went ignored each time.

          • gekster

            You are providing information about a candidate.
            That is the main goal here.
            6 points to you.
            This is what this site is about. and you scored.
            Can you kick the extra point.
            The ball is on your foot.

          • snowshooze

            First 5′s I have given.
            Hey, thanks for the information, it’s all new stuff to me.

          • wonkish1

            Obviously Red State isn’t owned or operated by me so I couldn’t ever really say what the *main goal* is here, but I’ve always been of the mindset that what I’ve wanted to contribute the most here was towards:

            **1) Celebrating, encouraging, and brainstorming conservative political innovation. Um I realize that many times in the past that has fallen on some deaf ears, but I really think the power of a good idea(whether its a new news network, a new site to serve a particular purpose, a new debate style like in my new diary, etc.) just multiplies the effectiveness of a small group of people by much more than using traditional talks with your friends, campaigning, donations, vote, and go home.

            2) To show different arguments that can be presented on diffrenent policy issues. One thing I’ve always noticed is that I can walk out and have a political discussion and I can hop in my car drive 500 miles and get out and there is a good chance that the person I’m talking to next will use similar talking points to the guy I just got talking with. Looking at new ways to argue things is something that would serve the movement well.

            3) Through discussion to increase the amount of shared education both outgoing and incoming so that people have more detail to operate off of when they engage in conversations with other people.

            4) To talk strategies for practically every thing from the very high up(things we don’t influence much like how a candidate should deal with this or that) to the very low down(what is the best way to handle x type of event).

            and my number

            5) Would probably be sharing details about candidates and contributing to an environment where members and readers are best informed to make their votes. The reason why I think its not at the top is just that I innately have a lot of trust and intuitive faith in fellow conservatives to go out and make the right choice(I may not end up agreeing, but I’m not smarter than collective voice of millions of primary voters). So that’s why even when I picked a candidate earlier in the process this years(like in 08) I didn’t that aggressively push them. The only exception will be when I’m just in love with a particular candidate(but they would probably be loved by most of primary voters so I doubt my pushing would really matter at all).

          • wonkish1

            Sure!!! Even though I don’t know exactly the roll Perry played in the WebCams, but when I first found out about them Perry’s name was mentioned(that was long before he ever ran). I would guess he played a big roll in appropriating, but I’m not sure.

          • gekster

            ..

          • wonkish1

            I’m starting the diary right now.

            But I have also appreciated your thoughts a lot on here, and I would be curious to hear your thoughts on the recent diary I created a couple hours ago(the 2nd from the top). Of course if it doesn’t interest you then don’t worry about it.

          • snowshooze

            Heck, if I received a check for a first valid observation, I’d have to frame it.

          • wonkish1

            They just have it set up for people that want to do it out of their own time and charity.

            But conceivably you could expand this operation across the border and give small prizes to finds and the system would cost substantially less than having thousands of paid people watching camera’s and patrolling.

            Plus you can create an extra little stream of income for kids, poor, unemployed, etc. that could use an extra few dollars(and have to much spare time).

          • avagreen

            I’m impressed!
            What a great idea!

            The inventiveness of mind is present on BOTH sides of this issue, from the idea of the cameras to your idea of how to use them!

            Frankly, I didn’t even know about them.
            Thank you, God, for good minds and good ideas!

          • avagreen

            Sweet.

          • lizzie

            The Atlantic’s Nancy Scola already wrote this on Oct 18, 2011 – zero echo, and I am copying it here because not usre how long The Atlantic maintains their online URLs:

            http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2011/10/the-basis-of-rick-perrys-middle-east-policy-its-not-oil-its-water/246839/#
            The Basis of Rick Perry’s Middle East Policy: It’s Not Oil, It’s Water
            By Nancy Scola
            Oct 18 2011, 8:00 AM ET 3

            “The Texas governor’s ties to the Jewish state stretch back to his time as agriculture commissioner .

            Ever since it became apparent that Texas Gov. Rick Perry was a staunch defender of Israel, and all the more so when a video emerged showing him joining rabbis in a spirited Hanukkah dance in the governor’s office last year, the roots of his long-standing affection for the nation state have been a subject of speculation in some quarters. Was it oil? The religious affinities of a conservative Christian? Or was it a shared fighting spirit? Perry, after all, once drew a connection between Masada, the site of a siege during the First Jewish-Roman War, and the Alamo.

            After Perry gave a speech on Israel at the W Hotel in New York City late last month, Maggie Haberman of Politico picked up on a detail that points to yet another explanation. In 2009, Perry told the Jerusalem Post that part of the Texas-Israel “connection that goes back many years” included the reality that “Israel has a lot we can learn from, especially in the areas of water conservation and semi-arid land.” It raised the possibility that at the root of Perry’s deep commitment and professed connection to Israel doesn’t lie in what Texas has in abundance — oil, faith, orneriness — but what it lacks: water.

            For eight years in the ’90s, while Texas agriculture commissioner, Perry helped to lead the Texas-Israel Exchange, a program that aims to transfer knowledge between the two lands, where farming is a way of life but the water to do it with is often difficult to come by.

            “Get a globe and draw a line from Texas to Israel,” observes Prof. David Eaton, a water expert at the University of Texas’ Lyndon B. Johnson School of Public Affairs. “They’re basically the same neck of the woods.” Indeed, as far as latitudes go, they are: Austin and much of Israel both sit at 31? North of the Equator. “Texas isn’t England,” says Eaton, continuing to lay out the similarities. “We’ve got wet years, dry years, geographic variability. They’ve got South Israel and North Israel, and we’ve got East Texas and West Texas.” Homeowners in El Paso, says Eaton, are being encouraged to practice xeriscaping, the art of having a lawn that requires little hydration by virtue of it being filled with low-water plants, rocks, and pebbles. It’s a method of landscape beautification that is traced back to Israel — and its often strict residential water restrictions. Texas’ mountain aquifers have their equivalent in Israel’s karst aquifers. “You can’t be theoretical with farming,” says Eaton. “You want to have it done in the field with real farmers. So many of the conditions of uncertainty are consistent between the two that it makes for a really useful parallel. Israel doesn’t have enough water, but they’ve figured out how to succeed.”

            Begun back in the mid-’80s, the Texas-Israel Exchange has experimented with a variety of technologies to try to squeeze the maximum possible water from dry land, and to make the most out of what does exist at the surface. One early $50,000 grant under TIE, as it’s known, studied whether some plants could be watered with salt water. (It worked for Blackfoot daises; on velvet sage, not so much.) Drought-resistant Israeli grains were cultivated for their genetic material so that they might be tried in Texas. One major effort involved using drip irrigation to grow rice, rather than the water-hogging flood irrigation method in more general use. The Lower Colorado River Authority and the Tel Aviv-based firm Netafim partnered on the project; proponents say it can grow the same amount of rice with half the water. Then there are projects focused on water reclamation — that it, using treated waste water, including sewage, to irrigate, cool, or in manufacturing processes. For both sea-adjacent lands, desalination through either evaporation or forcing the salt water through a permeable membrane is seen to have potential. Texas has its eyes on its 350 miles of coast along the Gulf of Mexico, and what it says is 2.7 billion acre-feet of brackish groundwater. In 2002, Perry, then governor ordered the Texas Water Development Board to explore whether the state might build a large-scale desalination plant that might produce for Texans a supply of fresh drinking water.

            The partnership between Texas and Israel officially began under Perry’s predecessor as agriculture commissioner, Democrat Jim Hightower, who held the post for two terms in the ’80s before becoming a liberal radio personality. And in something of a strange political twist, some observers say that one person that Perry might have to thank for his early and frequent exposure to the needs of Israel is…the Rev. Jesse Jackson.

            Steven A. Moore, director of the sustainable design program at the University of Texas, wrote a 2001 book on Laredo’s Blueprint Farm, one of the earliest fruits of the Texas-Israel partnership. Hightower became a prominent national supporter of Jackson’s presidential bid, writes Moore. That created problems for Hightower when, shortly after Jackson made a high-profile visit to Texas, he was quoted in the Washington Post referring to Jewish Americans as “hymies.” The incumbent commissioner soon planned a trip to Israel, saying that Texas “should take its cue from Israel’s water conservation pioneers.” Analyzes Moore, “Hightower’s dramatic and timely construction of common cause with Israel was born a brilliant solution to political (and agricultural) problems.”

            It was while touring Israeli kibbutzim that Hightower met Avraham Katz-Oz, Israel’s deputy minister of agriculture. The next year, Katz-Oz visited Texas, and the Texas-Israel exchange program was born soon thereafter. As Hightower tells it in his own book, the partnership’s origin was as a new kind of “global trade deal” that brought together “plain old dirt farmers” and others on the lower rungs of Texas farming society with their counterparts in Israel. In 1991, the relationship was further formalized with the creation of a Texas-Israel Fund Board, focused on paying for applied research between the two places. That same year, Perry — who beat Hightower in the race for agriculture commissioner in part by playing up the Hightower-Jackson connection — took his first trip to Israel.

            Perry made himself a champion of the Texas-Israel knowledge exchange. But, says Moore today, “what Rick Perry wouldn’t say is that it originated under Jim Hightower.”

            It’s origins notwithstanding, Perry became a staunch advocate for the Israel research partnership. In a 1996 op-ed in the Austin American-Statesman, Perry bragged about teaming up with Israel, “a country known for using technology to turn a desert into an agricultural oasis of productivity.” For Perry, the emotional impact of the Texas drought ran deep: “If you asked an old-timer what two events in this century left their imprints the deepest in the minds of rural Texans, I’ll bet the answer would be the Great Depression and the drought of the 1950s.” Even if, for him, the pain was somewhat removed: “They both spawned more hardship for grown folks than most of us can imagine today. I lived through the big drought but l had my pony and my dog, so I didn’t pay much attention to my dad sitting at the kitchen table scratching out figures on a Big Chief tablet.”

            About ten years after authoring the newspaper piece, Perry, now governor, solidified his intellectual debt to Israel, with the creation of the Texas-Israel Chamber of Commerce, “a private, not-for-profit business organization whose aim is to boost the economies of Texas and Israel by helping member companies develop important business relationships with each other and explore new market opportunities,” with a focus on high-tech collaborations. Today, the Chamber claims as its two main champions Perry and Israel’s Ministry of Industry, Trade, and Labor.

            Contacts between U.S. states and Israel aren’t, of course, exclusive to Texas. Among the states whose governors have made recent trade missions to Israel are Massachusetts, Rhode Island, and Oregon; Virginia maintains a tech alliance focused on encouraging Israeli companies to do business in the commonwealth. But, going back as it does more than quarter century, the exchange between the state of Texas and the state of Israel is generally considered the oldest such relationship, and it is certainly one of the most robust.

            The Texas-Israel Exchange program has had its critics. The Sunset Advisory Commission is a body of the Texas legislature that evaluates the state’s government agencies with an eye towards identifying and eliminating “waste, duplication, and inefficiency.” In its once-every-12-years review of the Texas Department of Agriculture, conducted in 2008, the commission, citing the $500,000 in grants paid out through TIE in 2008 and 2009, found that the program was too much of a black box. “The Texas-Israel Exchange Fund Board provides funding for agricultural research projects intended to be of mutual bene?t to Texas and Israel,” wrote the commission in its report. “While the program is able to leverage state dollars to fund useful research for Texas agriculture, the funding for and results of these projects are not transparent to the Legislature, the agriculture industry, or the public. The same functions could be provided by an advisory committee, rather than a semi-independent board.” The board was indeed abolished, and its functions rolled back into the department as a whole. Eaton also points to the obstacles inherent in trying to move farmers into new and, in their eyes, potentially, untested ways of farming. “You’re changing how people farm,” he says. “You’re changing how you go to market. It’s a challenge.”

            The reality, of course, is that both Israel and Texas continue to struggle with water. Israel, mindful of the mid-60s “Water Over Water” concerning rights to the Sea of Galilee — thought to have contributed to the tensions sparking the Six Day War — has worked to bring online major new desalination plants. This summer, the country said that with the completion of a plant in Ashdod, “desal” water — expensive, energy-intensive desalinated water — would now make up 75 percent of the water consumed by its people. And Texas, of course, is in the midst of a drought of historic proportions, one that the state’s existing water system can’t cope with. The lack of water is reported to have caused some $5.2 billion of economic pain to the state’s agricultural sector, and the state has been ravaged by fires. On the latest U.S. Drought Monitor color-coded map of drought conditions, Texas is nothing but a big angry red ball. Some three-quarters of the state is suffering through “exceptional” drought conditions, and the state climatologist is warning that this situation could continue through 2020.

            Perry, who said during a September presidential debate that climate change science is “not settled” and seemingly compared global warming doubters to Galileo, has coupled his belief in the benefits of knowledge transfer with a faith of the more spiritual variety. In April, Perry declared a long weekend of prayer. “It seems right and fitting that the people of Texas should join together in prayer,” reads the proclamation from his office, “to humbly seek an end to this devastating drought and these dangerous wildfires.” Texans might be forgiven for getting down on their knees. A scary 2012 draft state water plan from the Texas Water Development Board recently found that unless the skies open up, the state “does not and will not have enough water to meet the needs of its people, its businesses, and its agricultural enterprises.”

            It’s a major challenge. For the Israelis’ part, the Consulate General for the southwestern U.S. has stated that “with water set to become the oil of the 21st century,” research jointly funded by Texas and entities in Israel “will be essential in helping stretch this precious natural resource as far as possible in two arid agricultural producing areas: Texas and Israel.” The severity of Texas and Israel’s shared challenge is something that Perry seems to have been attuned to for at least two decades now, and understanding his approach to Israel would seem to require paying a good deal of attention not just to oil, but to water.”

        • sunshinek67

          I just revived a nearly defunct Twitter account to help keep Perry news out there & offset the trash (mostly from Paulbots no doubt), and I have to admit I have been challenged to find stuff.

  • lizzie

    Perry?s self-confidence, true grit ? that always makes Obama nervous and condescending.

    You think Obama looks down on a Prof from West Georgia U?

    Imagine Obama having to share the stage with a Texas Aggie who LOVES his guns and religion.

    Rick Perry would give Obama actual nightmares.

    All the Rick Perry?s of America voted for Hillary or McCain.

    • http://www.unifiedpatriots.com/ pilgrim

      The main point of this diary is to refute the meme by some that the field in 2012 is weak because Christie isn’t running. I don’t buy it. Even Huntsman, the most moderate of the field, can be better than Obama.

      • lizzie

        for so many reasons. I am used to NY/NJ blunt talk, and worse. But, what is presidential about saying, for example “Get the he** off the beach”
        which is what Christie said in his emergency evacuation announcement for Hurricane Irene.

        I remember Gov. Whitman’s 1996 blizzard announcement:: “you will be stranded for three days if you do not get to a safe place NOW”
        No need for rough language.

        New Jersey is not the caricuture, well, not entirely, of the Sopranos….um, ok, The Sopranos was really close to reality. I lived in NJ for 7 years. Hard not to notice…

        Besides, Christie is needed in NJ. Then maybe we can get him to move to New York. It will take China to salvage California.

        If voters really knew about the mountains of state debt and unfunded state employee pensions, there would be a primal scream that would shatter granite.

        • gekster

          Lets deal with the field we have, not with what might have been.
          If he announces later, (get real, he ain’t) deal wih it then.
          It’s a primary with a set field.
          Let’s hash out the ones we have in it now.
          Anything else is a distraction.

        • Martin Knight

          [nt]

          • lizzie

            ER visits for Christie’s asthma attacks.

            Can’t ignore Gov. Christie. Romney has Christie out stumping in Iowa.

  • Common_Cents

    they are running for the general before running a primary campaign.

    • Common_Cents

      .

    • http://www.unifiedpatriots.com/ pilgrim

      That does not in any way refute the point of my diary that the meme of the Republican field being so weak in 2012 because Christie isn’t running is just plain wrong. Even the most moderate and dyslexic candidate in this 2012 field is better than the 2008 Republican nominee.

  • lizzie

    This should be the quote of December:
    “…Former President Harry S. Truman famously said, ?If a man lies to his wife, he will lie to me. And if he?ll break his oath of marriage, he?ll break his oath of office.? …”
    cited in:
    “When Picking a President, I Still Believe That Character Counts”
    By Penny Young Nance, CEO and founder, Concerned Women for America

    Published December 02, 2011
    http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2011/12/02/when-picking-president-still-believe-that-character-counts/| FoxNews.com

    Anyone who thinks it odd for Penny Nance to be quoting Truman – well, I read Truman’s memoirs last year, after reading McCullough’s bio of him.

    Rick Perry has a lot in common with Harry S. Truman, whose family were Democrats because they still remembered the family farm being looted by Union raiders during the Civil War.

    So many pundits, from right to left, ridiculed Truman for being a ‘small man’, mostly because he was the only 20th century President without a college degree. He had to work on the family farm, wound up commanding an artillery battalion in WW1 France, and, the story of how he stood his ground under fire earned him the loyalty of his troops for the rest of Truman’s life. he was smeared for being a machine hack, but earned his reputation for being a true fiscal conservative in the Senate. sorry, have been really pi##ed at Obama running a fake-Truman campaign – complete disrespect for everything Truman was.

    Penny Nance picked the quote for December, and her intent was to question Cain and Gingrich, but my PC does not have the buffer to enter the really long threads here.

    • deVere

      Harry was a stand-up guy, who as Vice President attended the funeral of ex-convict Tom Pendergast, saying simply “He was always my friend and I have always been his.”.

      But I do think that uncomplicated adultery is just “boys being boys”. Please google “Coolidge effect” if you need a further explanation. Admission of adultery with Maria Reynolds cost Alexander Hamilton the presidency in 1796. But he was always faithful in his public duties, and his face deservedly remains on our currency.

      As far as Newt Gingrich is concerned, simple adultery is the least of his private and public transgressions . Needing both hands to hold my nose, I’d probably need to use my toes if I decided to vote for Newt.

      But I would vote for Mark Sanford without any qualm..

      • lizzie

        so I do not want to google “Coolidge effect” :)

        google: Grace Coolidge official portrait, and you will know why Mrs. Obama’s 1st decision was to banish that portrait out of the China (dishware) Room.

        anyway, while I have no issue with Mark Sandford, I think Jenny Sandford is much smarter and articulate.

        I tried to read Chernow’s bio of Hamilton, having loved all of Chernow’s previous books. I do not think his affair was the real problem. The first big centralized federal government advocate – 1796 was definitely NOT the right year for that. Plus, Hamilton was an immigrant :)

        • deVere

          If Hoover had taken Andrew Mellon’s advice the way Harding did, we would likely have been spared the Great Depression and the New Deal. In my opinion Warren Harding is the most unfairly maligned political figure in US history.

          Jenny Sanford would make a formidable opponent for Lindsey Graham in 2014. If you want to encourage her to run she lists jenny@jennysanford.com as her email address.

          I am skeptical that anything but the Reynolds affair was the main reason that prompted Alexander Hamilton’s retirement from public service on January 31, 1795. He remained Washington’s protege, and was the ghost-writer of the famous farewell address. When Washington was recalled to military service in 1798 for the quasi-war with France, his sole condition was that Hamilton be made his second in command.
          In spite of her public humiliation, Elizabeth Schuyler Hamilton remained fiercely loyal to her husband for the rest of her long life, which ended at age 97 in 1854. Hamilton had descibed her as the “best of wives and best of women”, and he had good reason to feel that way.

          • lizzie

            being between Harding and Hoover. They all got “revisioned” by the New Deal historian Schlesinger, Jr, who also ran the presidential ranking polls for a very long time.

            Have been engrossed in Truman, Marshall Plan, and WW2 for the past year.
            Now back to another travel memoir, one of my favorite genres. 1955 visit to Pashtunistan by a British ex-pat stationed in Pakistan at Partition.

            So, I am happy to defer to you on Alexander Hamilton.

            Might finally focus on the Founders in 2012, but it is very difficult for me to tear myself away from the history of most of Asia, and very bloody wars.
            Still want to read John Buchan’s four volume history of WW1 this winter.
            Buchan was a rollicking fine writer who reported on WW1, and then invented the spy thriller genre with “Thirty-Nine Steps”

          • deVere

            Dean (of Watergate infamy) did a workmanlike job, and the facts were much too clear for him to ignore.

            Harding’s reputation as our “worst” President has been so cast in stone it’s been difficult to even question it. When I finally realized that it was a big lie, my next question was “I wonder who else they’ve been lying to me about?”. One answer was that horrible racist Woodrow Wilson.

            Buchan’s “History of the Great War” isn’t in my library system, but there is a very well-formatted version available for free on www.questia.com.. John Buchan was a very distinguished man, and unusually modest for a writer. He said that Charles Bennett’s script for the Hitchkock film “The 39 Steps” improved on the plot of his novel.

            If there are any other works of history or biography you particularly recommend, I can be reached at devere1550@gmail.com..

  • Getting_Back_to_Basics

    George Will’s column today makes excellent points that Huntsman is running to the right of Romney and Gingrich despite the media casting him as the “moderate.” Huntsman deserves a second look.

    • http://www.unifiedpatriots.com/ pilgrim

      A lot of people read George Will. Only the readers who are also voters in New Hampshire can help Huntsman since it is the only state he is campaigning in.

      • lizzie

        It still makes no sense because of the focus on Federal vs State from three AG’s, especially if Huntsman believes he can get a bump out of New Hampshire that would help him in Florida.

        Maybe Huntsman really is auditioning for SecState or UN Ambassador, or considering a 3rd party run by proving he can win the independent vote in NH’s primary. Maybe stop Ron Paul’s momentum out of Iowa?

        yes, it shall be interesting to see the George Will echo this week, no pun intended. I greatly respect George Will even though I usually skip “This Week” due to an Amanpour-allergy.

        • http://www.unifiedpatriots.com/ pilgrim

          http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/romney-and-gingrich-from-bad-to-worse/2011/12/02/gIQArsM3LO_story.html

          The paragraph he writes about Perry

          Rick Perry (disclosure: my wife, Mari Will, advises him) has been disappointing in debates. They test nothing pertinent to presidential duties but have become absurdly important. Perry?s political assets remain his Texas record and Southwestern zest for disliking Washington and Wall Street simultaneously and equally.

        • JSobieski

          that I can recall for a person with a strong record.

          When it comes to an extended discussion style format, Huntsman it at his best. So instead he makes lame comments at the debates he does attend, while skipping out on forums like this.

          2011 . . . the year of the self inflicted wound. Or put another way, the campaign that so many campaigns seem determined to lose.