http://www.syracuse.com/news/index.ssf/2009/11/its_not_over_recanvassing_shows_ny23_race.html
A recanvassing in the 11-county district shows that Owens’ lead has narrowed to 3,026 votes over Hoffman, 66,698 to 63,672, according to the latest unofficial results from the state Board of Elections.
The new vote totals mean the race will be decided by absentee ballots, of which about 10,200 were distributed, said John Conklin, communications director for the state Board of Elections.
Under a new law in New York that extended deadlines, military and overseas ballots received by this coming Monday (and postmarked by Nov. 2) will be counted. Standard absentee ballots had to be returned by this past Monday.
Did Hoffman concede too early? He is still down 3,026 but with 10,020 votes out there or more ( and most of this done when the race was 3 person race) one has to wonder what final vote tally will be here?
( sorry for the link perhaps someone can fix it)
So what would happen if Hoffman actually ends up with the lead
civil_truth Thursday, November 12th at 10:23AM EST (link)Does his concession override that actual vote total? And if so, wouldn’t that disenfranchise voters?
And Rightly So!
Seems highly unlikely...
mschmitt Thursday, November 12th at 10:32AM EST (link)… but I don’t see how a concession would override the vote. Remember that Al Gore conceded early in 2000 (until our pals in Palm Beach County assured him they could steal it for him).
Hoffman would have to resign, not concede, if he actually won the vote.
The concession doesn't matter now -- it just mattered Friday (and Saturday)
malbis Thursday, November 12th at 12:47PM EST (link)If Hoffman wins the final count, Owens will be removed from office and Hoffman sworn in.
From the 1940 feature film Ghost Breakers, starring the late, great, Bob Hope and Paulette Goddard:
Scientist: “It’s worse than horrible, because a Zombie has no will of his own. You see them some times, walking around blindly with dead eyes, following orders, not knowing what they do, not caring.”
Bob Hope: “You mean, like Democrats?”
Its too bad
proudgop Thursday, November 12th at 10:34AM EST (link)as Hoffman’s campaign spokesman says had they known these number they would have not conceded and if that had not conceded Owens probably would not be sworn in yet
which mean we would of been at 219 for health bill and perhasp Cao would of not voted way he did and then u are at 218 and who knows what Dem might of switched
That's a good point...
mschmitt Thursday, November 12th at 10:45AM EST (link)If they had fought it in the courts, no way Owens is sworn in already.
But it probably didn’t change the healthcare takeover vote — they would’ve been able to flip another blue dog (committee chairmanship, lobbying credits for the ones who are probably losing anyway, etc.). Heck, there were probably half a dozen holding out for better spoils when Owens came along. At least this way, you have a guaranteed L for Owens next year. If it had dragged out too long, they would’ve had the vote without him and NY-23 might be stuck with him for another term.
There was so much confusion
Hooah_Mac Thursday, November 12th at 11:06AM EST (link)The results coming back didn’t make any sense. When Oswego numbers showed so poorly for Doug, the campaign didn’t see any way that they could end up winning. Now we find out why the numbers didn’t make any sense.
“You can call yourself a Republican, but if you’ve lost the support of Fred Thompson, you are an unholy thing that will be destroyed by a rain of fire.” -IMAO
False info showed Hoffman losing Jefferson County...
malbis Thursday, November 12th at 12:52PM EST (link)…by 300 votes on election night. Four of the districts within Jefferson County, which is the home of Fort Drum and the Army’s 10th Mountain Division, reported vote totals of “0″ for Hoffman.
Hoffman now leads Owens in Jefferson County by over 400 votes now that they’ve corrected those mistakes–and about 2,000 absentee ballots from the Fort won’t be counted until next week.
Hoffman could quite seriously pull this one out.
From the 1940 feature film Ghost Breakers, starring the late, great, Bob Hope and Paulette Goddard:
Scientist: “It’s worse than horrible, because a Zombie has no will of his own. You see them some times, walking around blindly with dead eyes, following orders, not knowing what they do, not caring.”
Bob Hope: “You mean, like Democrats?”
At this point, I think this would be too much for San Fran Nan
Hooah_Mac Thursday, November 12th at 10:47AM EST (link)The only thing the democrats could be anything less than devastated about was NY-23. If it ultimately went to Hoffman…I hope Nancy Pelosi is up to date on her heart medication.
“You can call yourself a Republican, but if you’ve lost the support of Fred Thompson, you are an unholy thing that will be destroyed by a rain of fire.” -IMAO
If it turns Hoffman's way that would be nice
antisocial Thursday, November 12th at 11:24AM EST (link).
No you can’t - Moe Lane
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The Emperor has no clothes!!!
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Republicans who lost the Crap-and-Raid fight in the House -
Mary Bomo Mac (CA-45)
Mike Castle (DE)
Mark Kirk (IL-10)
Frank A. LoBiondo (NJ-02)
Chris Smith (NJ-04)
Leonard Lance (NJ-07)
John M. McHugh (NY-23)
Dave Reichert (WA-08)
Pelosi
proudgop Thursday, November 12th at 11:25AM EST (link)Pelosi would need some more botox shots
NY-23
dhorowitz3 Thursday, November 12th at 10:54AM EST (link)Does anyone know somebody in the campaign who has more info? Is this really something serious? I don’t want to get my hope up but if it gets any tighter it will be clear that the “voter irregularities” put owens over the top. Where is the NRCC or RNC?
It's not quite like that
Hooah_Mac Thursday, November 12th at 11:04AM EST (link)The votes are being counted, correctly by all reports. The problem is that the totals called in on election night were bogus. I was sitting in the building with Hoffman HQ, and his campaign staff couldn’t figure out what was going on. The numbers were so out of whack with the polling and models.
Two things to take away from this. 1. Doug Hoffman conceded early due to bogus information given to him by election officials. 2. The final results are no longer certain.
Doug will more than likely gain more votes out of the absentee ballots than Owens will, the question is if it will be enough to put him in the lead, or get close enough to trigger a recount.
“You can call yourself a Republican, but if you’ve lost the support of Fred Thompson, you are an unholy thing that will be destroyed by a rain of fire.” -IMAO
In the case of a recount
Hooah_Mac Thursday, November 12th at 11:09AM EST (link)Many of the the machines used to vote are paper ballots read on a machine. If the vote totals end up within 500, a recount is really called for.
“You can call yourself a Republican, but if you’ve lost the support of Fred Thompson, you are an unholy thing that will be destroyed by a rain of fire.” -IMAO
Mac
dhorowitz3 Thursday, November 12th at 11:18AM EST (link)Based on what you know do you think there is a real chance this can be overturned? I don’t see the conservative websites talking about this. Is Erick aware of the situation? I don’t even see Robert Stacy McCain bloging about this.
This is new information coming out today
Hooah_Mac Thursday, November 12th at 11:21AM EST (link)WIth 3000 votes separating them and 10000 absentee ballots, it is indeed possible for Hoffman to win, although not likely.
I’d guess a 10-20% chance.
More importantly, if the vote narrows to less than 500, it would be irresponsible not to do a manual recount of the ballots. Especially considering the 11 machine malfunctions they had in the district.
“You can call yourself a Republican, but if you’ve lost the support of Fred Thompson, you are an unholy thing that will be destroyed by a rain of fire.” -IMAO
Military Votes
proudgop Thursday, November 12th at 11:23AM EST (link)I’d be curious if anyone can find out how many military votes have come in so far?
I’d assume Hoffman gets 75% of those and Fort Drum in the area their may be at least 1.000 of them?
all conjecture of course
About 2,000 absentee ballots went out to Fort Drum personnel
malbis Thursday, November 12th at 12:57PM EST (link)And over 1,000 of them have been received so far. The deadline for receiving them, postmarked by Nov. 2, is this coming Monday. Absentee ballots will begin being counted then.
About 10,200 absentee ballots were distributed according to election officials, all of them before Scozzafava withdrew, so they are expected to favor Hoffman.
From the 1940 feature film Ghost Breakers, starring the late, great, Bob Hope and Paulette Goddard:
Scientist: “It’s worse than horrible, because a Zombie has no will of his own. You see them some times, walking around blindly with dead eyes, following orders, not knowing what they do, not caring.”
Bob Hope: “You mean, like Democrats?”
With over 10,000 absentee ballots,
Steph C Thursday, November 12th at 11:13AM EST (link)it may be a stretch but not impossible. Pray!
Pelosi, et al, spent a lot of political capital to get that health care monstrosity pushed through the House and a Hoffman upset will damage them greatly.
“[I]f the public are bound to yield obedience to laws to which they cannot give their approbation, they are slaves to those who make such laws and enforce them.” –Candidus in the Boston Gazette, 1772
Hillbilly Politics
It's possible...
mschmitt Thursday, November 12th at 11:19AM EST (link)A 60-40% split (or better) on the military ballots doesn’t seem too unrealistic, and the elderly and infirm are pretty fired up about the Democrats’ health-care legislation (not that Owens told them the truth about his positions, but, nonetheless)…
on absentee
proudgop Thursday, November 12th at 11:29AM EST (link)usually absentee benefit republicans but like Tedisco/Murphy we saw absentee benefit Dem because a lot NYC voters have homes in upstate NY and they have registered there and u see a lot NYC absentee ballots coming in ( hopefully not)
just something I thought of
Rush is talking about NY-23 nt
mschmitt Thursday, November 12th at 12:53PM EST (link)Update
proudgop Thursday, November 12th at 1:02PM EST (link)Not the best news
http://www.watertowndailytimes.com/article/20091112/BLOGS09/911129996/BLOGS09
Waterdown daily has reported they have counted half of the absentee ballots and Owens has gone up 150 votes
5,4000 plus military votes need to be counted
If Dede had dropped out earlier
bk Thursday, November 12th at 1:08PM EST (link)one can only wonder how many of the absentee ballots (esp from military) or other early votes would have been marked for Hoffman instead.
Perhaps Dede really did cost him the election.
If Owens had not been seated...
bk Thursday, November 12th at 1:18PM EST (link)Then it still takes 218 votes since a tie is a loss. Without Owens and not counting Cao it’s 218-215 so it still passes if all else stays the same. But it’s fun to speculate - Without Cao, that makes each and every Democrat “the one” who caused it to pass. All cover is lost.