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(Update –PASSES) Stupak Amendment going down?

By: RealQuiet (Diary)  |  November 7th, 2009 at 09:20 PM  | 

RESIZE: AAA

Sounds like Mr. Stupak wasn’t too happy about getting smoked out.  Curious that we can’t get a gauge on how strong Stupak’s support is.   Lib Dems trying to marginalize Stupak?  The way the language reads is kind of vague.  It says that the noes won out on not adopting the amendment.  Someone clarify this for me as I’m not a politician. 

It’s going to be a very interesting final vote on the bill.

(UPDATE)  The GOP goes the route of principle.  Looks like they will take their chances in the Senate.

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  • douglast

    or hands were forced… Apparently, the National Right to Life announced they would score a “present” vote on this amendment as a “no” vote, which may have torpedoed the plan to let the amendment fail and force pro-life Dems to vote on a final bill that funds abortion. So, it may end up being a case of the NRTL group winning the battle but shooting themselves in the foot by doing so. Talk about short sighted…

    Now the Blue Dogs get their cover, and this thing is going to pass the house.

    • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

      …and it’s not *our* problem: if Stupak doesn’t survive reconciliation then the final bill will likewise be scored by National Right to Life.

      • Xasteius
        • bs

          If the House and Senate pass different versions of the legislation, it goes to House/Senate conference, where the conference representatives reconcile the differences between the two and come up with a unified bill that both House and Senate must once again vote on. THAT is the critical vote.

          The catch? As I understand it, House and Senate leadership appoint the conferees, which will undoubtedly leave the reconciliation to the Dems alone. And that means Stupak disappears.

          • Xasteius
          • GregInFla

            Senate only needs 50 votes, not 60. And Senate can pass anything called Healthcare Reform to get the 60 votes. The conference bill can be the Pelosi Bill unchanged, and then only need 50 votes, not 60, to become law.

            GOP should have voted Present and had a press release available to explain why. NRL was wrong.

          • bs

            the minority cannot filibuster a vote on a conference report?

          • GregInFla

            The Conference Bill has no discussion, just an up/down vote. The 60 votes is for cloture to end discussion. So best chance t to turn some Dem Reps.

          • bs

            Thanks!

        • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

          What happens is that the House and Senate have to get together in committee and come up with a bill that everybody in the committee agrees with; then both houses have to sign off on it via a final vote.

      • douglast

        I was probably being overly optimistic that the failure of Stupak could cause the failure of 3962 in the house. Wishful thinking I suppose…

        • bk

          after this gets stripped in conference and the Stupak guys who voted for Pelosi+Stupak have to vote on the final bill that has something more like Ellsworth than like Stupak.

  • Xasteius

    Yea: d-64, R-176
    Nay: d-194
    Present : R-1

  • Xasteius
  • http://moelane.com/ Moe Lane

    They’re never going to let that survive reconciliation.