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It’s now down to Gingrich or Perry

By: RealQuiet (Diary)  |  November 3rd, 2011 at 09:20 PM  | 

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I just didn’t know about Herman Cain though I really liked him a lot.  No matter how slimy and anything but solid journalism by Politico, the way Herman Cain and his campaign reacted to this crisis was downright awful.

There was one thing that I learned about Herman Cain from this whole thing, he doesn’t handle a crisis well at all.  If he cannot handle a crisis of this magnitude, what makes one think he can handle a crisis of a much larger magnitude as President?

This is a very, very important skill for a president to have.  Gingrich has handled his “right-wing social engineering” crisis well.  Perry has handled his “heartless” foot in the mouth soundly as well.  I would have been happy to vote for Cain had he handled this “scandal” well and weathered the storm to the nomination.  Heck, I’ve given him plenty of the benefit of the doubt with his other gaffes he has had in interviews.  This pretty much settled the question in my mind if Cain is up to the task of leading our nation.  One thing I have never understood.  Why has Cain and his campaign been so toxic toward Perry which goes back before this scandal broke?  I don’t understand this.  Perry never has said a bad word about Cain at least to my knowledge.  Didn’t Curt Anderson work for Romney in the past well?

Though Cain is still leading in the polling nationally, one cannot help but notice that Gingrich keeps creeping upwards.  Check out the latest from Rasmussen.  He’s in the mid-teens and a solid third place.  We all know of Gingrich’s personal baggage he has had in the past but he has tried to right himself sincerely by observation and statements he has made publicly.  Barring Newt’s personal baggage and his couch moment with Nancy Pelosi on global warming, he is a fantastic candidate.  Very knowledgeable on all topics and subjects important to qualifying someone to be president, articulate, excellent debater and speaker, former congressman and Speaker of the House.

The other choice obviously is Rick Perry.  His only drawback is his ineffectiveness as a debater.  The immigration issue and Gardisil are only distraction issues that he has addressed and explained.  He doesn’t have any personal baggage, is a three-term governor with plenty of executive experience, and is for the most part is a solid conservative.  The one thing that strikes me about Perry is his unabashed consistency in holding fast to what he stands for.  You know where you stand with Perry.  The same can be said about Gingrich for the most part as well.

In closing,  Mitt Romney is praying that Cain stays in the race, heck he is praying that the conservative bloc doesn’t unite around and choose a candidate prior to the Iowa caucuses in January.  The more the conservative candidates, the better his chances.  It is a timing issue with Iowa.  If Cain can hold enough of his standing in Iowa to fragment the vote between Perry and Gingrich, Romney could sneak out a win in Iowa.

Right now, my money is on Perry winning Iowa if Cain falls as expected because of the lack of personal baggage that Gingrich has and his experience with agricultural issues.  The one real wild card here is where the Cain voters will go as Erick alluded to earlier.  It may come down to if the Cain voters believe or don’t believe that the Perry campaign was in the shadows leaking the Cain scandal to Politico.

We must choose and unite behind our candidate by early December.  Will it be Perry or Gingrich?

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  • redmymind

    That was part of Cain’s success formula. I think we might need to work on that one. Mark Block’s been a complete disaster!

    • rickperryreport

      … because his client Cain is so freakin’ guilty that he cannot keep his story straight. That’s how it rolls when your client is lying.

      I don’t think even Gloria Allred can save Cain from himself (-;

      • ohiohistorian

        Why don’t you tell us all about it and source it if you know so much.

      • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Elizabeth_Jacobson get2djnow

        but it doesn’t cover up you’re being an know-nothing jerk.

        Guilt must be based on FACTS and you have NONE.

        Cain’s inability to handle a crisis does undermine his argument for being the nominee. He and his team are, IMO, ineffective, and Mark Block is laughable as a campaign manager.

        I don’t agree that Perry handled the “heartless” comment well.

        I can’t believe that I’m going to type this: NEWT for President!

        • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

          He’s a globalist…
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=jWPz1Qdq1uI
          …and his CPAC speech…
          http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=KBPiKS…
          …should serve as a model for his agenda.

          Yet, the former demonstrates his RINO-roots from the 1970′s and the latter demonstrates his desire to supplant the current system WITH ANOTHER system.
          He is an elitist/statist, based on his voting record and his assertions.
          Note his having sat with Pelosi while endorsing global-warming.

          The Newt now wants to create an “environmental solutions agency” [in CPAC speech]; this reveals his statist attitude. What ever happened to abolishing it? remember; he voted in 1978 to create the dept of education. The truth is leaking out, notwithstanding his oratorical skills.

        • center77

          as speaker of the house, even though only one stuck, that ones forced him to step down and makes him the only speaker to ever be found guilty of ethics violations.

          Perry handled the racist rock nothing burger very well, he said it was not true and ignored it until it went away. The things about Cain is he just lied and blamed everyone else. Newt will have to face his many scandals if he is even thought about as the nominee, and since he was one of the many who went after Clinton when he had scandal, but newt also was not being very faithful, I’d say Newt would have a hard time dealing with the issue himself.

          The Democrats will not bring Newts negatives up right away, because they are chomping at the bit hoping Republican nominate their own version of Weiner, so this is just all nothingness.

  • daveoconnor

    it it’s them or someone else the MSM will attack them just as vigorously as it now attacks Cain.
    Do you think we’ll hear details about Newt’s marriages and divorces? Uh yeah.
    Perry may have no actual skeletins, but in the golden era of the anonymous accuser it doesn’t matter.
    The MSM aims to get Obama re-elected and will do anything to make it so.

    • jimmyneutron

      Focus on ideas – not on people. My thought is we don’t need to fall in love with any of those people running for office. We need to keep pushing conservative ideas and keep pushing the conversation to the right. The Republic is in crisis and we need drastic action – spending cuts, regulation cuts, size and scope of gov’t cuts, etc. The progressive socialists won’t like this any more than they like any other form of reality and if we don’t understand that the fight is going to be furious and fight willingly then we have lost already.

    • Lesstressrx

      Touch

    • center77

      anonymous sources only become effective when there is at least facts to back them up, that’s why the Perry rock story had no real legs, because there was nothing behind it. Cain’s situation matters because everything that has been reported in the MSM has been true, this idea they are smearing Cain is just flat out wrong.

  • wennejunk

    You write: “Why has Cain and his campaign been so toxic toward Perry which goes back before this scandal broke? ”

    I wrote “Exactly what it is and why that Cain seems to have such animosity for Perry. From the ?will not support? to the rock incident to this ? seems a bit reflexive in attacking Perry.

    What?s the deal?”

    Great minds, etc

    Heh.

    • Matthew Morris

      been wondering about this a long while myself… man would I like Cain to make up with Perry. I had dreams about Perry/Cain or Cain/Perry.

      Will someone please shed some light on this!! I can’t figure it out.

      Perry/Newt just doesn’t sit as well in terms of electability… although AGW aside, I would love 8 years of Newt for sure.

      • papabear

        However, I can live with it. If you look at his site, he plans to develop everything including shale oil (the supposed great evil of the hydrocarbon world).

        Alternative energy is only important to the extent it is economically competitive with conventional energy. The only subsidy we should allow is to develop the technology.

        No. Implementation. Subsidies.

        Interestingly enough, if you go to Newt’s site, it seems he has seen the light!!

        • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

          A lot of people were fooled by AGW, and their so called consensus.

          I was suspicious from the beginning because I always disbelieve everything scientists say that are alarmist. Rarely have I been wrong to do so.

          We were told that we would all die due to population, ddt, global cooling, ozone holes, killer bees, the hot zone, alar, the china syndrome, big oil, walmart, obesity, Y2K, and a host of others which I have forgotten.

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine

            etc ad infinitum

          • gator_hoo

            It’s not just a “I was fooled, but see the light” he won’t recant.

        • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

          as was documented in his book “Winning the Future.”

          Oratorical skills yield ability to argue all sides of issue, such as his persistent/strident opposition to BHO’s behavior related to Libya.

  • iidvbii

    I think he is the absolute best in the field.
    The record, experience and the results all speak to Perry’s credentials. Additionally I don’t see Obama attacks him in the general. Unlike Romney and the rest he doesn’t have the baggage.
    That being said I will support Newt if that becomes the option, he is my second anyway.

    • beach91

      I am and have been on the Perry train too! But I like Newt as second now as Cain will be heading down in the polls. I still like a Perry/Newt ticket.

      • http://www.tooncesthecat.wordpress.com tooncesthecat

        “Barring Newt?s personal baggage and his couch moment with Nancy Pelosi on global warming, he is a fantastic candidate.”

        Really? There is only one credible choice–Rick Perry. He is the only option. Hopefully conservatives will wake up and rally to Perry before Romney steals the nomination with 25% support.

        • RealQuiet

          All of our candidates have flaws. There will never be the perfect candidate. I would be very happy with Newt.

          I’m still in the Perry camp. His debating is getting better. I think he needed some time to really research his opponents. I think his debate performances were due to his late entry into the race. Cramming in debate preparation is a bad thing. The smart thing at that time would have been to take 1-2 months before entering into a debate, simply explaining that he had just entered the race and needed to time to roll out his vision and to research his opponents. I hope Perry keeps on debating in every debate because his delivery and responses will become smoother. That has been happening as time has gone along.

          • rickperryreport

            I agree with you on Perry getting better at debates, and he needs to get a lot better Nov 9.

            To quote Gen. George S. Patton, “Americans traditionally love a winner, and will not tolerate a loser.”

            If Perry looks like a winner, the drop in the polls will be history, and he’ll be the frontrunner.

            He is getting much better in interview after interview these past two weeks, he has absolutely nailed it. He’s been quite good.

            I have high anticipations for the debate this week. As a Perry supporter, I am saying a prayer or two for some favor for Perry. He deserves it.

            Joe

    • http://www.skiloveland.com skicougar

      Perry just makes too many debate mistakes, doesn’t come prepared and takes cheap shots.

      I think the country has seen enough of that from Obama and would probably like a candidate that’s more of a statesman.

      Perry’s gotta great story to tell about how conservatism works in Texas and will for the entire country; but one slip up or cheap shot in an Obama debate and they are going to run with it and make the election all about Perry; this election is all about Obama. Obama can win if he can make the other guy look inept(ironical isn’t it).

      I expect Newt can do that.

      • conservativeparrothead

        He has simply continued a lot of the Bush policies in Texas and to the mindless independent voter who can be swayed with simplicity Perry follows Bush in Texas continues same policies, will continue same Bush policies in Washington. And the reality is that he cant defend and articulate very well in the debates, period.

        He didnt cut the taxes, he didtn put in Tort Reform (which by the way does nothing to insurance costs, I have relatives who live in Texas and I asked them what they pay: couple, upper 40′s completely healthy, pay over $1000 a month) and he didnt discover oil. He pretty much fell into a good situation and didnt screw it up.

        Obama’s strategy is still “blame Bush”, that narrative gets much easier with another former Texas Governor running against him. His record on education in Texas isnt good (not that its his fault) and what has HE done that really created this Texas miracle he likes to talk about.

        Newt is the guy. We know the baggage, but he has ideas, understands how this all works and has a track record of getting things done in Washington, not Austin. He is the only one of these candidates who can stand up to Obama in a debate, period, not only that is the only one talking about challenging him to serious Lincoln-Douglas style debates, not bullet point and sound bites. Perry wouldnt and shouldnt do that, because its not his strength, but sometimes you need qualifications that match the need of the job at hand and Governor Perry doesnt posess those strengths.

        Newt 2012, now if the rest of these candidates can just get out of the way…

        • iidvbii

          http://product-liability.weil.com/legislation/texas-house-passes-tort-reform-bill-h-b-274/
          Tort reform passed may 2011 Texas governor who signed the bill into law??? Rick Perry

          http://governor.state.tx.us/priorities/economy/tax_regulatory_reform/property_tax_reform/
          2006 largest tax cut in Texas history passed. Texas governor who signed the bill into law??? Rick Perry

          http://lcmarket.blogspot.com/2007/11/doctors-moving-to-texas.html
          Would seem that the nations doctors also disagree with your assessment of Rick Perry’s performance.

          Here’s an idea, why don’t you do some research on Perry’s actual record instead of just repeating romneys campaign attacks. That way you won’t look so stupid……

          • conservativeparrothead

            I have family that lives in Texas, they are in their late 40′s non smokers, live healthy life styles, parents all still living into their 80′s. It cost them over $1000 a month for health insurance. It ranks in the 30′s for average cost of health care. I dont support Romney and dont listen to his ads. I know real numbers I know real people.

            “Stupid” is giving Tort Reform as your answre in the debates when Health Care comes up, when in fact the FACTS dont support Tort Reform has done much to lower the cost of health care. Yes, I know he passed Tort Reform, just not sure what its dont to HC costs in Texas when they rank in the bottom half of states. Sure its good for doctors, like the one my cousin went to for knee surgery, when under the knife for routine surgery, the doctor found something else with the knee he didnt like and operated further doing a completely different procedure without consent. Ended up screwing it up even more, he had to have another surgery to repair that damage, cost him a year of activity and what did this doctor pay? Nothing, because nobody will take cases because there is no money in it.

            Yes, in 2006, they cut the state property tax portion which goes to schools, not the entire property tax. That rate was $1.50 per $100 ot property tax, it was cut to $1.00 per $100 of property tax, many counties and districts have since re-raised it on their own, which they were allowed to do under the law. It wasnt like they just cut all property tax by 33% which is what he would like you to believe. Best case by some estimates, its been cut by 9%, but as I said, many counties and ISD’s have reinstituted some of the rates.

            I dont have a major issue with Rick Perry, he would probably be my 3rd choice and if he is the nominee, Im happy to support him with my vote and what campaign contribution I can afford, just like I did for John McCain, even though he wasnt anywhere near my first choice.

          • texassean

            Texas does not have a State Property Tax. You stated otherwise in your comment.
            Texas has done well under the leadership of Governor Perry. Every day I observe more vehicles from states well north of the Mason Dixon line with occupants that appear to be moving to the Lone Star State.

          • onemovoter

            The reforms have come over time, starting in 2003, culminating with loser pays just recently.

            With those small legal changes, the system of health care will improve with time, which has started with nearly 20k doctors of all specialties applying for Tx license over the usual that they have had previously. I looked up the charts and found that number to be right.

            The problem is there has been over a million people move to Texas over the last decade above normal birth gains.

            Your story of your cousin is more common than you think when it comes to surgery. My mother has had several surgeries because it doesn’t always works as well as we think it does. I’m not saying the doctor wasn’t at fault, but doctors normally don’t try to screw things up on purpose. The reason why no one took his case up is because they didn’t find a case in it, not because of no money.

            The lawsuit laws still allow to get full damages, they just cap non-damage issues like pain and suffering to 250k, because that is what used to drive the money trough for lawyers. Lawyers still get their fees paid for as well. Lawyers just want the big cases to get the max money.

          • conservativeparrothead

            But my feeling is that most surgeries are a decision which is made with consent of the patient (unless of course its some life-threatining situation that has to be done) but this “scope” essentially turned into major surgery without consent.

          • conservativeparrothead

            Like most states, property tax is usually paid to the county or some county tax assessment office. But a portion of that, was my understanding went to the state (1.50 per $100) that went to school maintenance. This was the portion this $1.50 state education portion that was cut in the 2006 tax reform. It wasnt the overall bill cut by 1/3rd.

            If Im wrong fill me in, but that was my understanding that this tax cut was just on a small portion of the overall tax bill that was a state education maintenance portion of the bill.

          • iidvbii

            is that you misrepresented facts and make statements that are flatly false. As I pointed out in my response. If you want to spend your time trying to pass off unfounded attack lines from various campaigns as your opinion expect to be called on it.
            As to the gibberish above regarding your “family” that lives in Texas and their supposed insurance rates.

            I was born in San Saba Texas. I presently live in the Dallas area and have most my adult life. I am 39 have a wife and 5 kids. My insurance premiums have stayed steady right up until Obama passed his healthcare law. Texas residents like everyone else in the country have taken rate hikes because of Obama not Perry. Try blaming Perry for something he can control. Or better yet just say you don’t like him because of who is or you don’t like his debate performance if that’s what you think is the most important quality for the leader of the free world.

            Don’t repeat garbage it pisses real Texans off.

          • jrmax13

            It’s all about Texas isn’t it ?

          • iidvbii

            Yeah its all about that record if its successful like governors Perry’s. Otherwise you have to make the race about BS, like romney. Or marketing slogans like Cain. Or ideas like Newt. It’s not to say Texas or its people are better its to demonstrate what to expect from a Perry presidency. I can imagine Yall are sick of Texas this and that. Good and bad and frankly as a texan I am sick of people running down our people and state in transparent attempts to smear our good governor. Just understand the motives of the posters and hopefully you will feel less inclined to scream the next time someone brings up the lone star state.
            Remember we are sick of it too, just the price we are all paying I guess.

          • jrmax13

            lidvbli, I live in this pestilence-ridden state as well. Thankfully, I am buying a second ranch 2,000 miles North where it actually rains a couple times a year ! I’m certainly not going to feed the herds (cow and goat) hay and protein supplements 12 months a year ! I walked into the center of one of my tanks today. The center, friends. There’s nothing left. Yes, having lived all over the U.S. and a frequent traveler – the rest of the country is tired of hearing about Texas. Texas Fatigue Syndrome – hey ava, I coined that term just in case you are helping write the next edition of the DSM. Native Texans are a curious critter, indeed.

          • iidvbii

            My family is from central Texas, ranchers as well. The last 3years have been very hard on them, droughts and fires took most their feed off their pastors. Steers are all coming in light. Number of calves has halved. Water is from wells which also limits the usable land. It’s hard times for our ag industry right now. I am glad that you are able to relocate, my heart goes out to those who have lost so much in our state and can’t.

          • jrmax13

            We are located only 30 miles from the worst wildfire the state has ever recorded. It is just a little too close for comfort. Yes, I am one of the blessed ones that can get a second place up north for when hard times (weather-wise) like these seem to go on and on. After leaving academia, I fell in love with agriculture and have never looked back. If the weather won’t cooperate, then I will leave for while. And that hellacious South wind has not helped during the past 12 months either.

          • retire05

            You said you live in Texas, near Crawford. Now you claim that you live “only 30 miles from the worst wildfire the state has ever recorded.”

            Well, there is something wrong with that story. The worst fire (damage wise) ever recorded in Texas has been the Bastrop Complex fire. Therein lies your problem.

            If you live near Crawford, Crawford is almost 100 miles from Bastrop. So……..either you were fibbing, or you can’t judge distances. Which is it?

          • hermas42

            The best predictor of future behavior is past behavior.

            THAT’s why it is important what Perry has done in Texas over a period of 10 years.

            I voted for the man three times and he has delivered. Life is good in Texas.

            I expect he would do the same for the country.

          • llorta

            I say we go with the guy who’s great at speaking and doesn’t have much in the way of a political record. What’s the worst that could happen?

          • trutexan

            Thanks for the too-early-morning laugh.

          • trutexan

            You sound like a 2005 OU grad. Stop whining.

          • pttx333

            family in Lampasas and lived there myself for a few years. Really a nice area with lots of wonderful people. I know that everyone all over the state is having a tough time with the drought, and the ranchers are particularly hard-hit.

            Thanks for your posts – I enjoy reading them and agree with you all the way. Particularly your last sentence!!! ;-)

          • texabama

            and have many fond memories of our time there. We still have a plot there where we considered having a house built. The Texas spirit is awesome! Alabama is pretty closely tied for having wonderful people. After the tornadoes this year, I can attest to them being some of the most charitable people on earth.

          • pttx333

            that is if you don’t include Austin. Austin used to be a beautiful place until all of the morons took over. The surrounding areas, though, are a sight to behold in all its glory – particularly when there has been enough rain in January to produce to glorious bluebonnets, Indian paint brush, etc. There is nothing to compare with that.

            I’ve been to Alabama only once on a business trip, but enjoyed it immensely while there. The people are very little different from the ones here, plus I have a dear friend originally from Anniston and what a wonderful person she is.

          • iidvbii

            great people in Alabama. Truly beautiful country as well. I really enjoyed my time there.

          • iidvbii

            nt..

          • pttx333

            to drive the circular route from Lampasas, Burnet, Lake Buchanan, Kingsland, Marble Falls, etc. Especially when the bluebonnets are out.

            Yep, I was in Birmingham on my business trip, and when I had free time would drive around to see what I could see. It truly is beautiful there, not to mention the great food! Nummy!

          • conservativeparrothead

            Obamacare (which is a disaster I think we can all agree) came in what 2010? From 2000 to 2009 average family health care costs annually in Texas went from $6638 to $12721.

            Look, I like Rick Perry, wish he was my governor, but his “story” has a lot of holes in it.

            What I meant in the He didnt lower taxes and he didnt do Tort Reform, was that those things were already being done in Texas during the Bush years. Tort Reform and litigation reform were a big part of his agenda as Governor of Texas? When I say Tax Cuts I meant income tax, which was already at 0% he didnt create that. That is what I meant, not that he didnt cut any taxes, but I was referring to income tax.

            Look, my point is not to tear down Rick Perry, I like the guy and if he is the nominee, I wish hiim the best and I wish he were my governor. Im simply pointing out that its not as simple as ABC like he would like you to think it is and that there are FACTS which he has to defend Texas during his time as governor.

          • iidvbii

            inregards to insurance, medical costs and taxes. My premium rates are set by my provider through my employer as are most folks. Mine had remained steady untill last year when incremental increases began. Ours is a national carrier and is blaming the increase on regulations from obamacare.
            As to raising costs I can’t speak to that being significant versus the rest of the country. My understanding is that our medicaid explosion due to federally mandated support for illegals is a large portion of this growth and pushing the cost curve up.
            Property taxes have in fact decreased from the state fairly steadily during Perry’s tenure. It is also worth noting that property taxes are also accessed locally so you have to be careful when comparing taxes to be sure you are separating state from local as Perry can only effect state level percentages.

            W was also a good governor but it is unfair not to give Perry credit where he deserves it.
            Bush left in 2000
            Medical Malpractice Reform passed 2003
            Largest Tax cut in Texas history passed 2006
            Loser pays Tort Reform passed 2011
            First real spending decrease (actually spend less money year over year not just a decrease in spending growth) passed 2011
            It is fair to say Perry has to explain his record and what has worked and what hasn’t. It is not fair to diminish Perry as a twit who got lucky. Let’s face it the same voters they gave him the conservative house, legislature and judiciary Romney claims are his aces. Are the same voters that have chosen him twice. If that isn’t an endorsement worth considering I give up.

            At the end of the day I can say this. I am a citizens of Texas. Perry has been a good governor. He has kept his word, kept his eye on the ball and I believe positively affected outcomes where possible. I do not think he is perfect, then neither am I. I do think he was the right guy to have in these trying times. I think his record demonstrates that he has been successful where so many haven’t.

            I believe he is ready for the presidency, he has paid the dues, done the heavy lifting and learned the lessons to be successful. I will vote for Rick Perry. That is the best recommendation I can give.

          • conservativeparrothead

            What you say about Medicaid is probably true, but that needs to be his answer and articulate and make those points and the illegals are why Texas ranks so low in education too because the data in both health care cost and education during his time as governor is vulnerable.

            Like I said, I like Governor Perry, not my first choice because I question his ability to fight off barages in the general, lets face it the attacks from the President will be far worse than those in the primary and the perception is that he has struggled with those, but I think he will be a factor in the primary who I would certainly support should he be the nominee.

          • iidvbii

            category. I think we agree on what we are looking for. I am pleased to have met you, while I disagree with some of what you say I certainly agree with your positions and what I perceive to be your goals. I look forward to many more conversations.

            David

          • conservativeparrothead

            I understand you sticking up for your guy…and like I said, I wish he was my governor. Ive been to Texas many times and one thing Ive always said is that there isnt a state in America that people take more pride in being from that state than Texas.

            I think Perry still has a good shot…the next 8 weeks will be crucial to the future of the country.

          • trutexan

            I’m printing them off for ammunition at the water cooler.

          • txpat

            I handle my company’s health insurance.
            Last 2 years since Obama care cost has gone through the roof.
            In order to keep the company insurance cost down we had to raise the deductible from $500 dollars to $2500 dollars. Even with that change it went up $79 dollars more per employee.
            Thank you Obama care.
            Yes, I live in Texas.
            This isn’t Perry fault this is Obama using Romney care plan as a guide has cost Americans jobs, money, and insurance.

          • greyeagle

            Tort reform cuts the amount lawyers can obtain from Physicians in law suits. The amount is capped. The law suits makes the cost of the physicians malpractice insurance higher. Consequently, physicians were either leaving the states, or those with specialities like neuro-surgeons were not working any longer in ER’s. Some of the hospitals in Dallas found themselves without patient coverage for emergencies for awhile. When tort reform was passed, then it was easier to recruit specialty physicians. This lowered the cost of healthcare. I disagree with your comments on Rick Perry. He did not follow Bush policies, but has chartered a different course in most cases. he would make a good President.

          • jrmax13

            Rick Perry/’Joycelyn Elders 2012 !

        • rickperryreport

          I’ve read every one of Newt’s books and Newt even wrote the forward to “Fed UP!” by Perry. I really like Newt.

          I have two reservations. The first is that the word on the street is that he is a terrible manager of people. I heard that his tenure as Speaker of the House was mired in disorganization and that Newt was too busy tending to Newt things, and not the people’s business. I don’t have a link to “prove” it; I’ve just gotten that impression from reading over the years.

          The second is his unfaithfulness to Marianne, his second wife. He was having an affair with Callista while the Republicans were trying to impeach Clinton. This is a clear cut example of how a lack of character affects ones ability to lead.

          I realize that posting a link to Esquire Magazine isn’t totally “Constitutional” for the Tea Party, but this interview with Newt’s ex-wife Marianne puts a lot about Newt into perspective, and confirms my two objections.

          • tngal

            its Rolling Stone that’s the cardinal sin. Trust me on this. Oh, and some newspaper in Texas, although I can’t remember which one. Supposedly, its a left leaning paper. It had a poll a week ago which showed Cain ahead of Perry. In Texas.

            But you should be good with Esquire.

          • pttx333

            and that is his current wife, Callista. From what I have observed and read, she is pulling the strings. I have a hard time understanding why Newt with all of his experience, knowledge and brilliance, could/would allow his wife to lead him around by the nose. I’m not saying that he shouldn’t confer with her, but I’ve seen all too many tv programs where she always appeared with him and took credit for half of everything he wrote, produced, etc. In my 71 year-old female view, that is not a good sign, AT ALL. It just seems to me that she is in this gig for what behooves herself. Maybe I’m reading this wrong, but I don’t think so. Let me know if you disagree.

            And that is not to even mention the affairs, etc.

          • pttx333

            Callista is that she doesn’t appeal to women at all. She looks so fake/plastic, behaves accordingly, and the “other woman” tag will never disappear. Folks may get over Newt’s involvement, but not hers. Fair? Who’s to say? That is just the way it is.

          • retire05

            and she is one of the lovliest ladies I have ever met. She is not pretentious, she is warm and friendly, and isn’t uncomfortable around us fly-over state people.

            The first time I met her was in Gettysburg at one of Newt’s book signings. She was just standing to the side, people talking to Newt, being unobtrusive. I went up to her and spoke to her, and we discussed American history for over 1/2 hours. I could not have asked for a better first impression.

          • pttx333

            that I’ve ever found regarding Callista. That takes away some of the “hinky” feeling that I’ve had about her from day one.

            I do admire Newt for his brilliance, but it is important that we look at a potential First Lady also. Lordy, look at the plow horse FLOTUS we have now – she makes me cringe!

            Thanks for the comment, retire – makes me feel somewhat better that someone who personally spoke with Callista was impressed.

          • retire05

            the current FLOTUS is a moose with a caboose.

          • pttx333

            does clomp along like a plow horse (yes, I’ve watched them!). That backside looks larger than a caboose sometimes – maybe a double-wide? But that doesn’t rhyme with “moose.” So “caboose” it is! You win!

          • jrmax13

            I would have loved to have seen him in Gettysburg of all places. No doubt the crowd was all around him trying to pick his brain. On Callista – I imagine your half hour flew by. She seems delightful. About what a previous poster and many, many are saying appearance-wise. They are saying “plastic, white as a ghost, fakey make-up.” That is such a tough issue to touch on because this kind of thing is rarely said about men. I didn’t mean the white look on men. You get what I mean. But, I suppose if I had to come down on one side or the other — it does not look natural. Maybe she has a medical condition that necessitates her applying certain products. You just never know. One thing we do know is this: Rick Perry didn’t get that leathery, deeply-lined face by wearing sunscreen or avoiding cigarettes.

          • retire05

            at least not cigarettes. But he can absolutely smoke at the firing range. Damn good shot.

            And beside Ron Paul, Perry is the only one that has ever worn the uniform of our nation. If you think that is not important, when the Middle East is a ticking time bomb, well then, you are only fooling yourself.

          • jrmax13

            Rick Perry’s service to our country was superb. He does have SOME good aspects. We all do. On the cigarettes, true again — he is not a current smoker, but he was in his youth. On the Middle East – my biggest concern is that he would follow G.W. and Obummer and attempt to be the policeman to the world. Like Reagan, I am guessing that he would “re-build” our military after 10 years and one month (exactly) of being stretched entirely too thin. I have not read many stories on equipment needs in the military lately. For a while there it seemed like our guys and gals overseas were not getting the proper gear, armor, etc. I hope that has resolved itself. I am sure Perry has other fine qualities, just not enough to make him ELECTABLE to the whole nation in November next year.

          • gekster

            ingredients:
            OATMEAL
            3 1/4 cups water
            1/4 teaspoon salt
            1 3/4 cups quick-cooking oats

            BUTTERY SPICE SPREAD
            1/4 cup butter, softened
            3 tablespoons dark brown sugar or honey
            1 teaspoon ground cinnamon
            1/4 teaspoon ground nutmeg
            1 teaspoon vanilla extract
            1/4 teaspoon salt
            2 cups (1/4-inch-thick) sliced Granny Smith apple, peeled if desired

            directions
            Bring 3 1/4 cups water and salt to a full boil in a large saucepan over high heat. Stir in oats. Reduce heat to medium, and cook, uncovered, 6 minutes or until thickened, stirring occasionally.

            While oatmeal cooks, combine all the spread ingredients in a small bowl, and stir until well blended. Heat a medium nonstick skillet over medium-high heat.
            Add 1/4 cup of the spice spread; refrigerate remaining spread for later use. When bubbly, add the apple slices, and cook 3 minutes or until tender, stirring gently.
            Remove from heat, and let stand 1 minute to absorb flavors. Divide oatmeal equally among four bowls. Spoon equal amounts of the apple mixture over each serving.

          • gekster

            Ingredients:
            12 Eggs
            4 tbsp Light Mayonnaise
            2 tsp yellow mustard
            2 tsp pickle relish
            1 tsp dill
            1 tsp paprika
            1 tsp salt
            ? tsp pepper

            directions
            Place eggs in an empty pot.
            Cover with water by 1 inch.
            - Bring to a boil over medium heat and boil gently for 10 minutes.
            Remove pot from heat and run eggs under cold water.
            Peel eggs when cool to the touch and slice in half.
            Remove yolks and place in a mixing bowl.
            Arrange egg whites on a serving platter.
            Add remaining ingredients to egg yolks and mix well.
            Spoon yolk mixture onto eggs.
            Serve chilled and garnish with dill if desired.

          • gracie

            shows a youth of helping his father on the farm, spending time outside, keeping fit as an adult, as well as not being a girly man, plumping up his fact with fillers.

            Or, even better maybe those lines show character?!

          • gracie

            n/t

          • texasroots

            I like seeing the lines. No botox here. Don’t want him looking like Nancy Pelosi

          • gracie

            Although that article was too long he reminded me of ethics violations I had forgotten and an incredibly undisciplined ego! Makes it very difficult to imagine him in the top spot!

            Read people.

      • conservativeparrothead

        Ive been Newt from the get-go. You can actually start to see a pathway to the nomination if things can fall into place.

        Love to see him go at it on the debate stage with Obama, it will be Reagan vs. Carter all over again, where Reagan was polling in the high 30′s with weeks to go before the election. Debate time, Reagan articulates his vision to the American people now paying attention…you get the Reagan Revolution.

        I called a Newt-Jindahl ticket back right after the 08 elections…didnt look good for a while, but its starting to show some signs of life. But not if the Governor endorses Perry however, that wont look good that the VP chose someone else.

        • runner12

          NT

        • onemovoter

          He was the first one out of the gate of Governors to endorse Perry.

          Then the Governor of Nevada endorsed Perry.

          He’s also had endorsements lately from those high up in the GOP of Iowa and many other states.

          However I don’t think endorsements are going to matter much except for one person perhaps. That would be Palin. I’m guessing she’ll come out with an endorsement right before Christmas. I don’t think she’ll endorse Romney in anyway. It will be one of the better Conservatives, most likely a winner like Perry or Newt.

          • conservativeparrothead

            I remember that in late summer or early fall hearing that Jindal was going to endorse Perry, but I never saw anything “official” on the news or anything, where as the Chris Christie coverage with Romney, got a ton of coverage.

          • greyeagle

            Jindal endorsed Perry the first week of his campaign.

      • snowshooze

        Are you speaking of the Romney Landscaper situation?
        Is so, I would NEVER have heard of it had Perry not brought it up.
        No thanks to the MSM for this, it is something which is important in a character evaluation.
        Gosh… you know I am running for President… so we gotta get them illegals outta the yard quick…

  • beric

    I just never got caught up in the Perry craze. He doesn’t excite me, doesn’t debate well, and it’s hard for me not to see him as yet another governor from Texas.

    Gingrich is my top choice. I’m too young to know his baggage well (I’m 21), and I like how articulate, intelligent, and informed he is. He also has new and good ideas, and his 21st Century Contract With America seems pretty legit. And boy do I want to see him face off Obama in a debate…

    • beach91

      idea of a candidate based on ‘doesn’t debate well?’ Conservatism is much more than that! I cannot understand this whole concept that because he does not debate well then he is not my guy. This is not American Idol for Pete’s sake! Have you even looked at his energy plan? Or how about his economic plan? Or how about his tenure as a governor of one of the biggest state’s in the USA? Gingrich is great don’t get me wrong but he does have baggage and people do remember him associated with the Republican congress back in the late ’90′s. The whole idea that he cannot debate is rather flawed and just seems incredulous to me. Have you even seen his latest stuff..i.e in Iowa on Tuesday? How about his 25 min speech in New Hampshire? Geez, if we have made conservatism boiled down to debating I fear for this country. Romney should be your guy if that is your idea of a good and qualified candidate.

      • conservativeparrothead

        You need to articulate Conservatism and why it works, show historical references and Newt has a handle on this like no other candidate in the field. Yes he has some baggage, but everyone knows his baggage by now and most people know the baggage but dont know the man, have never heard him speak.

        Give independents who havent even payed attention and wont for another 11 months the opportunity to see Newt

        Debates dont matter? Really? On October 26th, 1980: Gallup had Jimmy Carter leading Ronald Reagan 47 to 39, after one debate, a few weeks later Ronald Reagan won a landslide. The ability to articulate the conservative agenda will win every time, the inability to articulate will lose almost everytime because its too easy to paint those ideals as the “boogeyman” to simpletons.

        • beach91

          that debates do not matter. Not once! But all I hear is that Perry cannot articulate anything and is from TX and reminds them of W that cannot speak. I think that is untrue and has been assigned to him based previous experience and the debate format. So YES debates do matter but so do conservative principles. That is all I was trying to say. It seems you missed the point of my post.

          • conservativeparrothead

            There are a lot of people with good conservative principles but if you cant articulate them then you have trouble getting people to follow. This race is not about having conservative principles or not, Im pretty confident our nominee will, its about convincing those independent sururban voters why its the right choice at the right time and that is where the debates come in.

            Like I said, Ronald Reagan was right where a lot of our conservative candidates will be leaving the primary season, probably trailing Obama by 8-10 points, but it is in the debates where the need for articulation and persuation are essential.

            Ive watched many speeches throughout the campaign so far and Perry is not lacking intelligene and he is a great retail politician, but the people who decide this election arent watching backyard bbq speeches or tractor combine factory speeches, they watch the debates and more importantly watch the commentary on those debates. Youre right, it is sad that people dont pay more attention and make their minds up when someone drops a great zinger in a 30-second response, but it is what it is and right now while I like Perry a lot, he is not the guy to articulate and sell conservative principles and ideas to the undecided indys that will swing this election. Just like Reagan in 1980, the debates will dictate whether or not a conservative can win.

          • beach91

            with the assertion that all people are even watching the debates. Most Republicans are not even watching the debates so the assumption of articulating the message is premature.

            I agree that conservatives need to articulate their message but I also disagree that Perry has not articulated it. There have been 3 debates he has participated in and the conservative movement has thrown him to the curb at this point in the campaign. Have you seen his recent stuff like this past Tuesday in Iowa? Was really, really good and he even articulated the message. I think the whole idea of him articulating is pre-sumptious at best. Let’s see what happens in the next several debates but with him winning in TX he knows what to do. His conservative record is good and his plans are even better that he has put forth.

            Another thing is this is not 1980 either. Completely different times and media outlets for the candidates to get their message out. I think even Reagan would find the current environment very difficult.

          • conservativeparrothead

            At the Reagan dinner in Iowa, he was very good. I like listening to him speak, very passionate and articulate. But its surface, and when you get into debates, real debates like the ones Newt is talking about doing (LD Style) you need more than surface speech, you need a handle on the issues and inability to get rattled. I just dont see it.

          • jrmax13

            conservativeparrothead makes an excellent pont in mentioning the “surface” sense you get when listening to Perry. Comparing Perry to Gingrich in knowledge and depth in a debate situation is like trying to compare an almond to piece of swiss cheese. They are not even in the same category !
            Newt Gingrich/Nikki Haley 2012!

          • beach91

            is but I see you have now changed your position from Perry cannot articulate to now being articulate but not enough..just surface. If anything, I would think that the so-called independents that are loved and cherished could understand the ‘surface’ talk plainly given they really don’t pay attention until the last few months of the campaign.

            I do not understand the complete lack of support for Perry and I can only conclude that you and others truly want to see this, therefore it exists.

            As for Newt, well he can articulate it very well that conservatives can really jump on board. I do not see him getting any traction though and he remains my close 2nd with Perry being my first choice. I would like a Perry/Gingrich ticket and at the very least I want Gingrich in the admin of the next R prez.

          • texabama

            With Perry and Gingrich you get the classic example of the university professor lecturing about something and the “everyman” out there actually doing it. The professor sounds great, but wait until he tries to implement his theories! The everyman (worker) doesn’t talk as much about what he is going to do. He just uses common sense and does whatever needs to be done. He rarely gets any credit for what he’s done, but is told how “dumb” he is because doesn’t have an Ivy League education.

          • gekster

            I just don’t understand what you mean.
            Newt, I understand.

          • gekster

            I don’t think more coffee would hurt me at that this time.

          • pttx333

            ;;

          • conservativeparrothead

            My point is that he sounds good, articulate, my point is that he can not articulate in depth specific issues. He gives great speeches, the tweezer vs the wrecking ball is a visual I think many Americans agree with. But what exactly are you going to do with this wrecking ball?

            You want to pass a balanced budget amendment, which is GREAT, but when? You talk about Washington “kicking the can down the road” but in the very same speech say that you will balance by 2020, which if you had two terms would be the election year of your successor and would not likely make the tough choices until you had a 2nd term? Is that what I should be reading into this 2020 target?

            Again, I like Perry of the candidates who poll in the double digits and are real contenders, he is my 2nd choice behind Newt, probably 3rd overall as I really like Rick Santorum, but just has no traction. But my fear with this election is that it will take a special ability, an ability that John McCain didnt have, to go beyond dropping “joe the plumber” references 15 times in an interview, it will take depth of knowledge and understanding and the ability to articulate that depth.

            One analogy about the teacher vs the real man is a good analogy and sometimes you need a teacher, not always my first choice, but I think at a time when the tough choices are easy to attack with 30-second spots and soundbites in debates, you must go beyond that with real substantive debates with explanation and articulation of specifics and details. I think Newt is the only candidate in the field who has this skill set, which is why Im supporting him. I dont think Mitt has it, he is the soundbite king of the 30-second spot and has been doing this now for two election cycles.

        • txpat

          Is good at debates, but
          Character of someone soul matters also.
          He was H_. When he was speaker of the house.
          Cain little scandal currently is minor compared to Newt’s
          Clinton style in his early years.

      • Common_Cents

        If Perry was good at debates, the Perry bots would all be screaming, the debates matter! LOL

        • acat

          Some lost their heads over the idea that the sun goes around the earth, not vice versa.

          Just pointing it out.

          Mew

        • Scope

          over and over that the debates have been the best entertainment on TV for months. It beats commedy central. The networks are swimming in ratings. The more entertaining the higher the ratings. That was the position of many of the Perrybots even with the first three debates that Perry never participated in.

        • Common_Cents

          and close to sealing up the nomination. Instead, we have to slog through what we are going through now and hope he has a strong enough ground game to make up for it. I think he’d be a helluva CIC but am very concerned on how he’s gonna do in debates in the general w/ the lame stream media ready on the spin, attacks, and media takedown.

          • acat

            That’s what Perry clinching the nom early would mean – more time for Team Obama to know who they need to hit with every trick in the book.

            If you thought the attacks on Joe the Plumber and Sarah Palin were nasty, just wait.

            This is do-or-die for the Left.

            Mew

          • Scope

            The left has already released their playbook for the 2012 election season. They promise to go all in on the politics of personal destruction, as they can’t run on their record of passed legislation that the majority in the country hate, like Obamacare and Banking Reform. If our candidate came out of a monestary they would make stuff up without batting an eyelash. Just as the righties have come out in Cain’s defense against the leftist media, they too will most likely come out in protective mode for our candidate that wins the nom. If it is Perry, they will go to bat for him, and hopefully with the same vehemence they came out for Cain this week. The differences between Perry and Obama are stark and worlds apart. Perry does very well when it is between he and one hostile interviewer such as Wallace. He hasn’t done as well on a stage with 7 other candidates all with their AK47′s trained on him at once. He knows what to expect from the other side. He can and will hold his own, and do us proud.

          • izoneguy

          • Scope

            I just saw a little clip on TV of one of his speeches and he said that if he goes to Washington that he will propose an immediate pay freeze for everyone in Congress, and who are working for the federal government, other than the military and the emergency workers. I’m wondering if that will be one minute before, or one minute after he opens the door at the EPA and kicks them all to the curb.

        • beach91

          I never said debates do not matter. All I said was the conservative movement seems to be addicted to an American Idol type of person so Perry has been thrown to the curb at the moment. Romney as a great debater so maybe we all should be enthralled with him. Silly is what I see at this point in the conservative movement relating to the debates.

        • retire05

          if you look at the polls, Perry started to drop after the “rock” story. The next debate, where Fox claimed that Perry was “mean, rude” to Romney, pushed the ball even further. Northern voters have no qualms about labeling a white southerner “racist” and never bother to follow up on a story that was designed for exactly that purpose.

          The meme has been also, that Perry is soft on illegal immigration, although he had done more through his office to try to stop the flow of drugs and humans across our unprotected borders than any other border state governor.

          When Fox News, the proclaimed standard for conservatives, bash Perry for every utterance, while not saying one word about Mitt Romney’s constant reversal on every social issue important to conservatives, did you really expect Perry to stay on top?

          • iidvbii

            nt

  • Wayne

    I have not been a Perry fan, however I recognize that this being the most important election of my lifetime, it will be crucial that whomever the Republican candidate is, it must be one that reflects a detailed understanding of what is at stake in the not too distant future when Greece defaults and it’s impact is felt around the world.

    Perry is the likely choice over Romney and for me, it would be more desirable to see a Perry/Gingrich ticket if Gingrich would consider playing second fiddle to Perry (which I seriously doubt).

    Thus, the only option for a candidate that can effectively face off against a well financed and unscrupulous incumbent would be someone of Gingrich’s caliber. I haven’t confidence that Gingrich shares my values about “limited” government. But, I do believe he shares my core conservative values. So, there you have it. I believe that Gingrich is the most credible candidate to put up against Obama unless someone else comes out of the woodwork.

    • 1bunny

      has gone on record that he would accept the vp slot to serve his country. Did not qualify that as anyone but Perry as Cain has done. So I can see Perry/Cain 2012 : )

      • avagreen

        ?

        • clowngirl

          Newt’s a great debater. great speaker, but apparently not very good at retail politics. Governor Perry is terrific at retail politics and a good speaker but not a very good debater.

          Newt’s said to be too much of a professor – not down to earth enough but impresses even Democrats with his intellect. Rick Perry comes off as a down to earth regular guy, who knows what he stands for and gets the job done — but comes off as not intellectual enough for some.

          Both candidates could play to their strengths, compliment each other, and are qualified to be President in their own right. Together they would make an exceptionally strong ticket. Obama/Biden wouldn’t have a prayer.

        • 1bunny

          thanks for the correction. Perry/Newt 2012 is definitely what I meant. No longer consider Cain for anything. He has too many qualities that remind me of O.

      • greyeagle

        Cain said on national TV that if Perry was the candidate, he would not be his running mate. Why I don’t know other than Cain endorsed Romney in the last election and has stated fairly recently that he would be happy to serve as Romney’s running mate.

  • heraklios

    but I’m beginning to agree with the others that he appears to have become the sober level-headed elder statesman of the party. No one who followed his career in the 1980s and early 1990s can doubt his conservative credentials. His baggage seemed insurmoutable a few years ago but given the extent of the problems our country faces, don’t seem too important today.

  • heraklios

    but I’m beginning to agree with the others that he appears to have become the sober level-headed elder statesman of the party. No one who followed his career in the 1980s and early 1990s can doubt his conservative credentials. His baggage seemed insurmoutable a few years ago but given the extent of the problems our country faces, don’t seem too important today.

    • conservativeparrothead

      I wrote a paper in college about the three most important elections since World War II, and one of the three I chose was 1992. I felt like America crossed a line that year when we elected a governor, with no military experience who had some very questionable personal baggage.

      Yet, he won. Since that time, we have elected a President-VP ticket wtih 3 DUI’s combined and one being someone who quit drinking because he drank too much and another President who has admitted to dabbling in cocaine use.

      So baggage today, is not what baggage was in the 1960′s, 70′s or 80′s.

  • avagreen

    (working undercover for a third candidate) who knows of the personal animus of Cain toward Perry.

    If I wanted to wipe out the competition in a 3 three man race which included me, I’d get my political operative who also had some animus toward one of the candidates to plant a (possibly hidden, but somewhat true story) about that candidate) in a online publication.

    Then, my operative could also plant the rumor that the other candidate’s camp had been the one to be the leaker of said story.

    And, then sit back and watch the supporters in each camp devour one another over this issue and the leak, knocking them out and down in the polls and leaving me, the third candidate, able to collect the votes while purposefully remaining out of the fray publicly, and innocent-appearing to the masses in comparison (or so the candidate hopes).

    Not working.
    I will vote for any candidate that is chosen. Hopefully, a conservative (Please God.)
    We’ve got to beat Obama.

    (This is probs not a new theory.)

  • http://www.itsaboutliberty.com IronDioPriest

    … in the same way it was “down to Giuliani and Thompson” in 2008?

    This is just a silly, silly diary. You may wish to winnow it down to the two candidates you personally find agreeable, but your wish is not the conservative electorate’s demand.

  • Right_Again

    In my lifetime there have been two Republican presidents with such irksome mannerisms and quirks that I have actually been happy to not have to see them regularly on TV anymore. They were both named George Bush.

    I already feel that same way about Perry. Seeing him, hearing him, and watching him is already annoying. While not quite as annoying as the constant braying from Obama, it comes close.

    I will vote for him if he’s our nominee, but it will be a long, miserable four years of listening to and watching him.

    • txpat

      Is it the drawl?
      Is it the Texas swagger?
      I lived outside of Texas before and my drawl annoys some folks.

      • avagreen

        like Fathuh, kawfee, Jawhyn (John), buttuh, Cherkawguh, and other melodious sounding words.

      • Right_Again

        I just find myself gritting my teeth watching and listening to him. Some of it might be the things you mentioned, as well as the fact that even though I doubt he’s stupid he sometimes comes across as though he is. W had the same problem to a much larger degree. Something in his facial quirks made him seem far less intelligent than I’m certain he is.

    • jrmax13

      Hopefully, none of us will have to put up with Perry for much longer. As you said, he is an annoyance. That is simply the beginning, though.

      • gekster

        why is Perry moving up in the polls.

        • llorta

          …because Perry leaked to Politico the story that Cain had previously been accused of sexual harassment, which turned out to be completely untrue.

          • gekster

            What article shows Perry with his hand in the cookie jar.
            Or are you just going with Cains claim it was Perry, who can’t show proof either.

          • gekster

            Cain was accused of sexual harrasment.

          • Xasteius

            I understand that the Cainiacs are driving you nuts, but we need to chill (I’m including myself on this too).

          • gekster

            but what do fish have to do with it. (sardones?)
            Gonna have to look that up.

            There have been so many idiots on this site lately, I’m seeing them under every rock.

          • gekster

            Now I know.
            Unlike some, I will actually look into things I don’t know.

            If I squint my eyes, I can see it in the post.

          • Xasteius

            You squint? I envy you; I have to wear glasses. :)

          • gekster

            It means what you thought it did.

            sar?don?ic [ saar d?nnik ]
            1.disdainfully mocking: disdainfully or cynically mocking
            Synonyms: mocking, scornful, ironic, sarcastic, derisive, satirical, cutting, mordant, scathing, disdainful

          • llorta

            Cain says it was Anderson working for Perry, and there were no other breadcrumbs leading anywhere else.

            But here is the clincher, when I knew Cain was right and Anderson HAD to be guilty: when Anderson pretended to give permission to every reporter he’s ever talked to about Cain to come forward.

            Clearly, Anderson was using reverse psychology in an attempt to intimidate the media. And clearly it worked, because no one came forward!

            Now compare this to the restraint of the Cain campaign, where they merely threatened to sue people for running a story that, while technically was true, wasn’t very nice.

          • gekster

            …nt…

          • avagreen

            sorry. :-0

          • avagreen

            he gave the poop on that.

            His insiders said it was one of the members of the restaurant association that didn’t want the association to back Cain so he leaked the story.

            Probs this board member:
            Information about the incidents was apparently closely held, even among association board members. But one woman?s complaint apparently did make its way to at least some figures on the governing board when, at an association event, one board member got word that a female employee had complained about Cain?s advances, according to a source who was at the event.

            The source said the board member asked the woman directly about the episode and was told that Cain had invited her up to his suite at a prior association event.
            http://hamptonroads.com/2011/10/politico-two-women-accused-cain-inappropriate-behavior

          • gekster

            It might make thier mindset go awry.
            If they actally did some reaserch to find out about thier favorite candidate,
            they might see that the shine is not there.
            They say ignorance is bliss, but it also hides them from the truth.

          • avagreen

            ^^

      • greyeagle

        Personally, I like the TX drawl. I have it too.

        • texasroots

          I love Perry’s Texas drawl, unique!

    • llorta

      I know, right? Perry is boring to listen to, he always says what he means.

      I prefer listening to Cain speak. Whereas some people like to work out crossword puzzles, I like trying to figure out Cain-word puzzles.

      Take the Cain-word puzzle on abortion, for example. He is 100% pro-life, no exceptions. Which is why it is the decision of the family, and the government ought to stay out of it.

      Come to think of it, I’m still trying to work that one out…

      • avagreen

        ^^
        Ain’t it the truth?

      • intensity

        …is that something that should go against Perry as he continues his campaign for presidency??

        Or would you rather have two-faced, flip-flop, every other word a lie Cain??

        Very sad.

        All I know is that when all the smoke clears, Perry will be the last man standing and will put this country back on the right track.

        • Xasteius

          please

  • usa1776usa

    Perry has put forth the best policies/plans to turn this ship around and most importantly has a 10 year record that proves he can/will get it done. No other candidate in the field has the conservative track record Perry has. I love Newt, he is very intelligent and articulate, but I’m afraid all his baggage will haunt him in 2012. You can be sure that the a billion dollars and the left will exploit it to no end. Perry’s debates will improve as the field is winnowed…1 minute responses to complex issues do no one justice. Romney has been practicing for five years, of course he is going to be good at it but it does not change his record and that is what matters to me.

    • bzip

      I could enjoy a Perry/Rubio ticket real well or a Perry/Newt ticket

      What about a Perry/DeMint ticket :-) ? Just wondering what others
      think.

      I think Perry does very well in the debates like the Iowa one, where it requires substance and the time to present substance. Perry shines when substance is required and Cain fails badly where substance is required :-) .

    • Xasteius

      ….

  • Lesstressrx

    Whether you like Cain or not, his inexperience has created much of this mess. Personally I don’t care about the sexual scandal I care about his choice in Mark Block. If you don’t chose the right support team, & you have very little government experience, therein lies the problem. Cain’s lack of Washington experience came through loud & clear when he said he would make sure the 9% Federal Tax wouldn’t go up in the future. He really can’t believe that & if he does, he definitely is to naive to be running this country.
    If you believe we need a person as President that only has business experience you too are na?ve. I first worked in the private sector and then took a job with the government.
    What a new awakening. I can only imagine what it would be like if you were President of the U.S. and thought you would get up to speed in a short time. Again complete naivety.

  • J. Leg

    From Gardisil to immigration to his kickbacks to his contributors. There are things about Rick Perry I just can’t shake… He’s even more dangerous to me than Romney. At least Romney is transparently dishonest. I believe the reason a lot of conservatives like Perry is because they connect with him culturally, Romney is a moderate-liberal PLUS he’s from the Northeast, which many conservatives just can’t relate to, because most of us live in the South or in the West.

    I’m from California, so I don’t really connect with Perry at that level and his record, while impressive in some respects just leaves me feeling cold. He strikes me as being another Bush. Not because he’s from Texas, but because of his style and his views on conservatism: he strikes me as one of those “kinder, gentler” conservatives, someone who feels they have to apologize for their point of view. I’m tired of that, Conservatism is KIND, it is compassionate and compared to the ultimate outcome of the FAR left it’s gentle.

    So if this is true, then I’d say Gingrich is the only guy left, though I’m still not sure Cain is finished. This whole thing has turned out to be a boondoggle…. for the media. They’re the ones with egg on their fact in this instance. Honestly, I’d be happy with either one and I’d be even happier with Gingrich/Cain or Cain/Gingrich as the Republican ticket.

    • gekster

      That’s a new one on me.
      You must have a link for that.
      And if it from a contributer, isn’t it a contribution, and not a kickback.

  • avagreen

    WASHINGTON ? Allegations that Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain sexually harassed women in the 1990s have begun to damage his bid for the White House, a Reuters/Ipsos poll found.

    The poll showed the percentage of Republicans who view Cain favorably dropped 9 percentage points, to 57 percent from 66 percent a week ago.

    Among all registered voters, Cain’s favorability declined 5 percentage points, to 32 percent from 37 percent.

    Ipsos conducted the poll of 1,007 adults Friday and Saturday by interviewing individuals via a U.S. online household panel.

    Since it was an online poll, typical margins of error do not apply. Despite that, various recognized methods were used to select as representative a sample as possible and weigh the results.

    The survey represents the first evidence that sexual harassment claims dating from Cain’s time as head of the National Restaurant Association have taken a toll on his presidential campaign.

    The survey represents the first evidence that sexual harassment claims dating from Cain’s time as head of the National Restaurant Association have taken a toll on his presidential campaign.

    A majority of respondents, 53 percent, believe sexual harassment allegations against Cain are true despite his denials. Republicans were less likely to believe they are true, with 39 percent thinking they are accurate.

    “The most striking thing is that Herman Cain is actually seeing a fairly substantial decline in favorability ratings towards him particularly among Republicans,” said Ipsos pollster Chris Jackson…..

    Four in 10 poll respondents said the harassment issue had made them less favorable toward Cain. About one in three Republicans, or 35 percent, said the controversy had made them less favorable toward Cain.

    Jackson said it may well be that the wave of support that carried the conservative Cain to the top of the Republican field was now cresting.

    “I think he is probably cresting now. I think this week, last week, were sort of the high-water mark,” he said.

    The poll found that Romney, who is more a candidate of the Republican establishment, has a favorability among Republican voters of 63 percent, while rival Rick Perry, the Texas governor, is viewed favorably by 47 percent.

    http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Cain-sexual-harassment-poll/2011/11/06/id/416996?s=al&promo_code=D72E-1

    • seth90212

      Cain has gotten as much publicity lately as anyone in recent memory. That is bound to be a double-edged sword. His unfavorables were bound to tick up a bit, but he’s also gaining a lot of fans who otherwise weren’t paying attention.

  • seth90212

    has Cain 15 points ahead of Romney in Iowa.

    http://www.realclearpolitics.com/articles/2011/11/06/cain_holds_big_lead_over_gop_rivals_in_iowa_111969.html

    • avagreen

      The one I listed seems to be more national.

  • seth90212

    nt

  • jrmax13

    Cain 30, Romney 15, Paul 9, Gingrich 12, Bachmann 8, Perry 6, Santorum — , Huntsman 2

    I’m surprised Perry even “earned” 6% ! Flop!

    • seth90212

      He’s just not connecting I suppose.

      The interesting thing about Perry is that he started out polling very high and then collapsed when people got to know him.. Conversely, Cain started out polling very low and then exploded when people got to know him.. That’s why I believe Cain’s support is firm and that Perry is pretty much done.

      • retire05

        polls are not a leading indicator. Cain’s poll number, in the only two polls taken since his little scandal broke, are showing him down. Check RCP

        Oooops.

        • seth90212

          despite the smear campaign against him.. Perry seems to be wasting his time and money.

          Let’s not be delusional now.

          • avagreen

            it’s on record.

            And, from windwaker here is another site to further demonstrate in his own words his flip flops and lack of candidacy.

            If it’s smears, he’s done it all by himself:
            http://multiplechoicehermancain.yolasite.com/views-on-islam.php

      • avagreen

        Cain’s losing ground right now.

        “The most striking thing is that Herman Cain is actually seeing a fairly substantial decline in favorability ratings towards him particularly among Republicans,” said Ipsos pollster Chris Jackson….

        Four in 10 poll respondents said the harassment issue had made them less favorable toward Cain. About one in three Republicans, or 35 percent, said the controversy had made them less favorable toward Cain.

        Jackson said it may well be that the wave of support that carried the conservative Cain to the top of the Republican field was now cresting.

        “I think he is probably cresting now. I think this week, last week, were sort of the high-water mark,” he said.

        The poll found that Romney, who is more a candidate of the Republican establishment, has a favorability among Republican voters of 63 percent, while rival Rick Perry, the Texas governor, is viewed favorably by 47 percent.”
        http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/Cain-sexual-harassment-poll/2011/11/06/id/416996?s=al&promo_code=D72E-1

        Regarding Perry, he came in at the top b/c the lack of support of the other candidates. It was predicted by his campaign and others that he would fall just because no one can maintain at that high level, which he has. Then, FOX and the MSM and other candidates began with their lies and smears against him, which only his supporters here in Texas knew where NOT true and which is slowly being beaten into some folks heads about what has happened here in Texas.

        Additionally,Perry began his downhill slide during the first two debates in which he was splitting his time flying between fighting the wild fires (raging for the past 300+ days in Texas) and the debates, plus his back surgery in July or so, which has apparently gotten much better.

        He’s coming on stronger now, which is evident in his continued rise in the polls.

        Cain is losing and this guys thinks “cresting” despite what FOX and the other MSM are doing their best to prop him up.
        I agree. Cain’s dismal failure at handling this situation in an indication of his lack of ability to handle crises. Not even mentioning his gaffes and extreme lack of knowledge he’s demonstrated.

        • seth90212

          Cain is leading his nearest competitor in IA by 15 points.

          Most other polls show that Cain continues to lead nationally.

          Cain is either #1 or #2 in the early voting states.

          Cain is ahead of Romney by 10 points in SC.

          You keep citing a popularity contest poll where Cain’s favorability has declined a few percentage points (inevitable given the amount of attention focused on him lately). How does that poll take precedence over real polling of voter intent which shows that not only has the smear campaign not hurt Cain, it has actually helped him as I predicted it would. Check my posts from a few days ago, I predicted that Cain’s poll numbers and fundraising would get better due to the so-called sexual harassment matter.

          • gekster

            I would just like to know.

          • seth90212

            nt.

          • gekster

            Some put up polls, and I find out they are from a month or two ago.
            This helps put the #s into perspective.
            The date always helps.

          • jrmax13

            This is about the time that you should put a mark on a wall or doorway like some children do. Make is 6 feet tall and put today’s date next to the 6. Continue placing marks as the weeks and spasms in your back continue from stooping. Oh, the glee and sheer joy of this moment.

          • gekster

          • avagreen

            One can hardly call Reuters/Ipsos (one of the top 5 national poll) a “popularity contest” in contrast to your one state poll.

            You cite Insider Advantage, let me cite
            ABC News/Wash Post as of today Sunday, which has Perry 3rd.
            Cain 23, Romney 25, Gingrich 12, Perry 14, Paul 9, Bachmann 4, Santorum 1, Huntsman 1

            On Friday, the same poll was
            Presidential Nomination ABC News/Wash Post Cain 23, Romney 25, Gingrich 12, Perry 14, Paul 9, Bachmann 4, Santorum 1, Huntsman 1

            Hence, which shows that Cain is falling, while Perry is rising, according to ABC.

          • avagreen

            compared to the above newer polls which is showing a downward trend for Cain, and an every upward trend for Perry.

            Which reinforces what the article I quoted from Newsmax said..
            “Jackson said it may well be that the wave of support that carried the conservative Cain to the top of the Republican field was now cresting.

            “I think he is probably cresting now. I think this week, last week, were sort of the high-water mark,” he said”.

          • seth90212

            A poll from Thursday is old? When were your polls taken?

          • seth90212

            Are you serious? You think that some generic national poll is somehow more authoritative than a poll of likely caucus goers in Iowa? And, by the way, Cain is still #1 within the margin of error in the poll you’re citing.

            The Republican context isn’t a national one. It’s done state by state.

            I wouldn’t want you as a campaign manager.

          • avagreen

            Just look.
            don’t guess you’d make superduper manager, either…….LOL!

            Yeah, I think an overall national poll is more telling than one state’s polls.
            This guy agrees with me:
            http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/08/15/is-iowa-irrelevant/
            The simple conclusion then is that there is no evidence that success in the Iowa caucus increases the likelihood of winning the G.O.P. presidential nomination. Strong polling among Republicans nationally is far more powerful, even if certainly not a guarantee….
            For Republicans, the national polls have been the better predictor, having called six out of the seven competitive nominations in the modern primary era correctly. By comparison, the Iowa caucus winner has taken four out of the seven nominations. The only time the leader in the national polls before the Iowa caucus failed to win the nomination was in 2007, when Rudy Giuliani flopped. But the caucus, won by Mike Huckabee that year, also got the nomination wrong.”

            Guess well agree to disagree, but I think the numbers are on my side. ;)

          • avagreen

            It is Friday’s ABC News/Wash Post
            Presidential Nomination ABC News/Wash Post Cain 23, Romney 25, Gingrich 12, Perry 14, Paul 9, Bachmann 4, Santorum 1, Huntsman 1

            VERSUS

            Rasmussen Reports Thursday, Nov 3
            Cain 26, Romney 23, Gingrich 14, Perry 8, Paul 7, Bachmann 2, Santorum 1, Huntsman 2

            Which shows the same trend, but with different polls. Still shows that Perry is advancing, and Cain beginning to decline (on national polls).
            Sorry. :/

          • seth90212

            Okay.

            Check the early voting states. Perry is in the back of the pack in each state.

          • avagreen

            Perry has gone from 8% to 14%…..advancing.

          • seth90212

            Nothing wrong with that. Personally, I think Perry is done. I think he entered the race just to become president. I mean, what candidate says in a nationally televised debate that he is putting together his plans and so cannot discuss said plans until he is finished putting them together? I mean, come on, you can’t even summarize your plans? Why are you running for president?

            Oh, and I notice that the MSM narrative is that Cain is rising or maintaining his momentum despite the allegations, and they back it up with numbers. But if it makes you feel better to think differently, go for it.

          • avagreen

            So, again we will have to agree to disagree.

          • seth90212

            take care.

          • avagreen

            while the others have had years and months to prepare. That’s who.
            And, of course the wildfires we’ve had for the 300+ days here in Texas, and his just back surgery-thing, too, which hindered his performance.

            Don’t talk about statements……your guy is way under the “rock” (no pun intended), caught on the “fence” , with an “ever changing memory”on that issue. Even, tossing questions to Newt he stumbled on and had to have something to hook his statement unto……..see how that can go?

          • seth90212

            in the abstract then he shouldn’t be running for president. We’re talking about a vague summary of principles, not hard specifics (talking points, if you will). He couldn’t even do that. He said “wait until I release my plan.” In fact when asked why Perry had collapsed Cain cited this very thing. He said when asked in the debates to describe his plans, Perry couldn’t put anything on the table.

            Perry’s plan, btw, lacks merit, imo. He’s going to create economic renewal via the oil industry? Yeah, right. I bet they had meetings after he announced and just threw that together. Tell me, if the oil industry is such a hot job engine, why are there thousands of abandoned oil fields in Texas?

            Oil in fungible. No one cares where it comes from.. Even if you open up Yellowstone Park to exploration and production, you can’t make oil companies bite. It’s still going to be cheaper to produce the oil overseas or simply buy foreign oil even taking transportation costs into account. Ironically, greater U.S .domestic production will drive down the price of oil, which will kill the very oil jobs he claims he wants to create. Right now there’s a boom in oil industry jobs in places like North Dakota because of high oil prices.

          • acat

            Oil jobs are equally fungible. If oil gets too cheap for Bakken to make sense, that’ll be because there are new oil jobs wherever the cheaper oil is coming from… even Yellowstone. (which, since it’s on top of a caldera, would be better for geothermal…)

            Also, Perry is looking at the energy sector, not just oil. Nice subtle lie-by-exclusion there. Energy sector includes natural gas and nuclear and wind and geothermal.

            As for “abandoned” oil fields in Texas, the older ones are either tapped out or contaminated with saltwater due to uneven pumping. Eventually, as the price of oil rises, it’ll be cost-effective to extract and dry oil from those fields that still have any.

            If you’re going to bash the plan, at least find real flaws, okay?

            Mew

          • seth90212

            put into effect, or if a new president even says that that’s his/her priority, that will depress oil prices because it is speculators who are driving prices more that anything else. As Cain says, he will cause those speculators to speculate down, as opposed to speculating up.

            While low oil prices may be better for other sectors of the economy, that outcome will kill oil jobs. Cain’s plan isn’t focused on oil jobs, Perry’s is. So if Perry reduces the price of oil, it will remove the incentive to further explore or produce oil assets. It will also make foreign oil more attractive since an American company can produce overseas and ship the material back to the U.S. at a lower cost than if they were to produce here.

            What exactly do you think is going to happen to natural gas, nuclear, wind and geothermal that’s going to create all these jobs? This is as intellectually dishonest as Perry’s plan. The dynamics of the free market are what determines which assets get exploited. President Perry isn’t going to unleash the energy sector any more than Obama has. Again, it seems his plan was put out there just so he could say he has a plan.

            This country already has the largest energy industry in the world. We are a top 3 oil producer along with Saudi Arabia and Russia. Our oil companies and oil services companies are dominant globally. Our technology and equipment are prized the world over, even though they cost substantially more. Our engineering companies are backlogged. In fact to get a top flight American firm to do a job somewhere, you have to prove that you and your project are worthy. They can afford to be picky. The trade is done in dollars, primarily through U.S. banks. Houston and New York are centers of the world oil industry. In other words, we probably cannot expand much beyond what we already have.

            Regarding abandoned wells, many of them were abandoned when oil got too cheap (again back to my point). Since Perry’s own state has over 350,000 abandoned oil and gas wells, why does he claim he’s going to sign executive orders opening up federal lands to exploration and production? Wouldn’t it make sense to reclaim pre-existing assets which don’t need much in the way of EPA approvals? And with all these abandoned wells in his own state, why does he claim that he’s going to release the pent-up desire on the part of oil companies to explore and produce?

          • acat

            Energy is fungible. If oil prices are high, natural gas will get development dollars. That includes if oil (and, to a greater extent, coal) are artificially high due to the EPA, by the way… otherwise why would bird blenders be so popular?

            The size of our energy sector is proportional to the size and productivity of our work force. Find me any other work force that’s as productive as ours and show me their per capita energy consumption. The automation that underlies all that productivity requires energy. Get it?

            As for the abandoned wells, bear in mind that if they are truly abandoned, then there’s a rather long legal slog to establish who now owns the mineral rights and legally can extract the oil. That’s leaving aside what’s happened underground since those wells were last productive.

            As for the Perry plan, you keep insisting it’s oil-centric when it plainly isn’t. Yes, oil is part of it, but it’s part of any energy plan simply because so much of our infrastructure is based on it.

            Get some new arguments.

            Mew

          • LibertyWins

            focuses on Gas production not oil production. He is pro-energy period.

            Natural gas and Biogas put together will end the Age of Oil and revolutionize our economy. Perry gets that you don’t, too bad for you.

            Biogas is about to explode onto the scene thanks to Psychrophillic bacteria. Perry deregulation of certain EPa rules will allow free enterprise to unleash biogas production.
            http://energy-alaska.wikidot.com/psychrophiles-for-generating-heating-gas

          • avagreen

            per my quote from the NYTimes article. ;)

          • jrmax13

            No she did not just quote the NYT ! Oh, yes she did.

          • tngal

            Oh no she dint !!! uh huh. yes. she went there. I quoted a Rolling Stone article once and got stoned on the square so to speak. They certainly are rigid in their reading material.

          • jrmax13

            tngal, lovely state by the way. I lived there many years once upon a time. Anyway, if you begin seeing recipes pop up — you will know when geks and Aes, Cat, etc. run out of their talking points they are reading from. Other than that ridiculous bank vault – I wonder where the Perry war room is?
            Austin ? No — too political.
            Houston ? No, too much conflict of interest.
            San Anton ? What – are you kidding me ?
            D.C. ? No way. Too insider.
            Chicago ? No again. Too outsider.
            NYC ? Nope. Too over their head.
            L.A. ? No. Too liberal and phony. THIS one is real.
            San Fran ? Perfect

          • acat

            The “Perry’s gay” thing isn’t working, and that you’re repeating it just confirms your stupidity.

            Mew

          • jrmax13

            Regarding the “gay” thing. Yeah, everybody already knows anyway. So, maybe I will move on. And remember, only ava is qualified to determine levels of stupidity. So, just go back to your litter box and contemplate 6%, 6%, 6%. Sweet dreams.

          • acat

            I’m the arbiter of asshattery. You’re raking about an 84%. Do try to up your game, okay? We expect better from our trolls.

            Mew

          • gekster

            As far as talking points,thats all you got.
            I’m still waiting for you to dispute retire05s points from yeasterday.
            But since all you have is leftist talking points, and no facts,
            I guess it will be a long wait.
            And quit calling yourself a conservative, we got enough with out a troll latching on.

          • jrmax13

            geks, why are you even addressing me ? Arn’t you giving me Hines status ? Arn’t you blocking me by posting recipes? Please quit wasting my time. Which of your co-workers is set up for Lucianne’s site? Just wondering ? Oh and about you demanding that I “quit calling myself a conservative” — nice try at the big-tent approach.

          • gekster

            and like minded, not for trolls.
            And calling yourself a conservative demeens all conservatives.
            And the recipis are mine. Mabe you can get your mom to cook you up something.

          • jrmax13

            Now geky, I don’t want to pressure you like some others on this board do. But I have a request. I am not demanding, haranguing, etc, in order to make you comply lock-step with this request. Control your ADHD and stay with me now. Here is the assignment if you choose to except it: What is the main # 1 principle of conservative theory and thought has led you to JUDGE me as “not a conservative?” After they page you back with the answer – please feel free to respond. No pressure.

          • gekster

            You would have to find someone with your level of inteligence to fall for that.
            More alinski crap, turn it on me.

            Why don’t you do what you said and refute retire05s comments.
            Perrys at 14%, your bar for replying.
            Oh wait. Conservatives run away when asked to back up thier mouth.

          • jrmax13

            I’m almost done with you. I realize time is not as important to you – well you know why. I will make it easy for you. Since being a new poster – which of the following bases of conservatism do I not qualify under in your judicial opinion ?
            1 – Smaller Govt / Fiscal Conservatism
            2 – Increased Liberty
            3- Supply-Side Economics
            4 – Support for a strong military
            5 – Strict Constitutional Interpretation

            You get the drift – What was it that I wrote other than anti-Perry shots that would lead you to believe I am not a conservative ?

            Hey, seriously, all snakiness off for a minute. I really want to know. Maybe it is something I am missing. What principle have I violated that made you think such a thing.
            O.K. – Snark back on.
            I will gladly answer a short question from you in return. Deal ?

          • jrmax13

            When I meant to type snakiness – this MacBook re-wrote it as snakiness, As avs, could tell you — this could not be a true Freudian Slip because a person writing that would have to be a secret PerryPhobe and make the slip-up. Since I am hardly secretive in my vitupertative loathing of Perry — that would not qualify.

          • gekster

            Go and refute retire05s points like you said you would.
            And I can write all that crap down also.
            It’s the internet, you can say anything.
            You can be anyone you like.
            And your posting history, which is easily on hand, shows you have no credibility for anything you say.
            Like I say, on the internet, you can be anything you want to be.
            I just don’t buy it.

          • jrmax13

            Grasping at straws, geks, or just still using straw men ? Oh, again on that retire bit – As Perry is at 6% on RCP – I hardly think it applies. You have picked your target, but you cannot freeze me. You are using distraction as a way to not even pick a number. How incredibly lazy. Please take your time. Read through every word I have written here at RS. Where does “NOT A CONSERVATIVE” even come from ?! The more I think of it — your use of this whole line of questioning is a classic StrawMan argument. Geks, if your contention is true — then I should be thrown off this board section. Please show me in my statements. You cannot. Therefore I am ending this for tonight. I realize some people get paid to do this, but I am a business owner that must be up early tomorrow. So, until you can show me line by line where I am a “leftist” – your word – please pick another target, freeze them, etc. Goodnight, Edmund Burke. LOL !

          • acat

            Entering a new venue, crapping all over the floor, making a general nuisance of yourself…

            You’re a conservative. Congratulations. Gold star for you.

            Were you in a prior life a Ron Paul supporter, or were you just dropped on your head repeatedly?

            Mew

          • jrmax13

            tssk, tssk, CatWoman. You better go tend to the other 88 cats living in your nasty house before talking smack about “crapping all over the floor.” Thanks for the Gold star. That’s more generous than geks will ever be.

          • acat

            Not a woman. Only cat here.

            As usual, your projections are utterly wrong.

            Please go home, your village misses its’ idiot.

            Mew

          • gekster

          • tngal

            Time for some guitars, and amplifiers in my ears. In about 20 years I may get too old for this, but until then I have an image to keep up.

            Keep fighting the good fight. There’ll be another Cainiac or Newtfiend around in a bit to help you keep any wolves at bay. Seize you tomorrow.

            “For those about to Rock we salute you!” ac/dc

          • circlegranch

            www.makeamericagreatagain.com has about $55 million in the bank and they’ve rolled out some impressive ads for Iowa and SC. Visit their website to view and after you do that, go to www.rickperry.org and donate. While we must leave the blessing of the Perry family up to God, the rest of us can keep our foot on the gas. Let’s have a good week!

          • pttx333

            …..

          • texasroots

            I started my week Sunday by donating to Perry and wishing a happy 29th wedding anniversary, 11-6-11.

          • circlegranch

            While we’re hearing that Mr. Cain is unscathed after his romp in the hay with a sex scandal story, Reuters/Ipsos found a different result. Approval for Mr. Cain amongst Republicans dropped 9% this past week and amongst registered voters in general, he lost 5%. For Cain supporters that will reply that Reuters is a leftie outfit, perhaps, but it’s polling data, just the same. If we’re going to live and die by some results, let’s go all-in.

            Mr. Cain’s campaign finance methods are under fire and reliable sources told me over the weekend that Mr. Block, whom I affectionately refer to here as Smoking Gun, has some history of accusations along sexual impropriety too. Once the Right media gets ahold of it, he’ll be cleared, of course, but at a minimum, perhaps he won’t be so quick to call Brett Baier, get an inteview complete with a list of questions so he can prepare answers and spin the grassroots viewer to their advantage.

            By the way, have y’all got your turkey permits yet? Thanksgiving’s around the corner! As usual, the huntin’ is good in western NE and parts of OK. Watch out for earthquakes, though. Be blessed.

      • http://www.doctor-bob.biz rsklaroff

        http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51wQNgrDbTL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

        …that suggests we need to get to know Rick better, before it’s too late!

        • pttx333

          trolls around here who loathes Perry.

          This link to a Dallas newspaper is an article about Rick Perry’s parents about which I’m still smiling. THAT is what I am so familiar with since it reflects my entire upbringing – just common, ordinary, honest, decent people who love this nation.

          The big flaw in the article is where the author refers to the Perry “family hunting lodge” and that damned rock! They had a deer lease, and that is a far cry from a family hunting lodge. And the rock – it has been hashed and rehashed over and over. But read the rest – I think you will enjoy it. This speaks a lot to the Rick Perry that I know and admire.

          http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/perry-watch/headlines/20111105-rick-perrys-parents-say-their-son-is-strong-medicine-needed-by-a-sickly-nation.ece?ssimg=368980#ssStory368986

          • 1bunny

            article was great. pttx333 I just found it online and came here to post it and saw you had already done so, way to go. I hope others read it too. It reminded me of my upbringing too and the salt of the earth grandparents and parents that I grew up with.

            http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/perry-watch/headlines/20111105-rick-perrys-parents-say-their-son-is-strong-medicine-needed-by-a-sickly-nation.ece

          • pttx333

            wonderful – what precious people they are.

            Don’t know if you’ve read it on another diary where it is also posted, but circlegranch replied that we should send this out to every site we can find. And I think that Perry’s camp needs to have an featuring those wonderful, down-home parents of his. I’ve sent out the article to all of my email contacts, and I know they will forward it to their circles. Maybe we can make it go viral in fairly short order – so let’s spread the good news!

          • 1bunny

            circles post on spreading the word. I also linked an article on Perry’s faith that I thought was good too. Maybe between the two it will change minds, help solidify support, spread the truth etc. Perry all the way! I lived in TX for 6 years and he was governor the whole time. I do miss TX but OK is not too bad. Would love to move back there one day. One can dream that the greatest job will happen for my hubby and back we go : )

            http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2011/11/05/rick-perrys-long-faith-journey-culminates-in-presidential-run/?hpt=hp_c1

          • pttx333

            but have lived in TX the vast majority of my life – all but about 4 years. Still have relatives all around OK, though. It is a good place also – basically the same ones in TX. Hope y’all get to come back here!

            Thanks for spreading the word, bunny. We can’t throw enough good stuff out there – let’s just do it and if others don’t like it, they don’t have to read it. They wouldn’t be convinced anyway, but there are others on the fence …

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