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The obligatory “Rick Perry kicked butt tonight” diary

I was very pleasantly surprised by Rick Perry’s handling of a subject tonight that I thought he would have been weakest in.  His first two answers in response to questions regarding shutting down Iran’s central bank and starting from $0 in foreign aid to every country set the tone.  After that, all of the candidates were following Rick Perry.  His answers indicated that the U.S. would delegate from a position of strength and no longer being business as usual with countries we give aid to.  His answer also related to zero-based budgeting with all government agencies was another home run.  That’s a strong leader that was on display tonight.

It is only one debate.  But I must say, thank you Rick Perry for that performance tonight.  I really needed that.  Now, to quote Harrison Ford from Star Wars “Great kid!  Don’t get cocky!”  One debate at a time.

I hope and pray Rick Perry builds some much needed momentum with future debate performances like he had tonight.  May the Perry campaign rise like the phoenix from the ashes.

COMMENTS

  • cheetah2

    The Perry campaign way underestimated the importance of the debates. They aren’t doing that now obviously. The preparation work showed really in the last debate too, if not for the gaffe. For someone who doesn’t naturally shine in the venue and who admits he hates it, he is making good progress.

    Perry needs to keep working hard and I have no doubt he will be a good debater by the time he (God willing) faces Obama. He should be better than Mr. Telepromptor by then, because he will be all practiced up!

    • pttx333

      the handlers backed off and let Perry be Perry OR he told them he was going to do it HIS way. What you saw tonight was Perry “Unplugged.” Phenomenal job tonight, considering his back, his low numbers, etc. The Perry I know was on that stage tonight – pure fighter and never-lost-an-election Rick Perry.

      • cheetah2

        He is passionate about his beliefs and there is nothing more compelling that that. He showed he is a real winner tonight.

      • avagreen

        Man! I was proud of Perry “unplugged”.

        This is why the establishment, RINOs, and the MSM (and the sellout FOX) are in the bag for Romney…..Perry is WAYYYY TOOO SCARY A DUDE TO GET TO WASHINGTON!

        They all would fight him tooth’n'nail as a President, too.

        *crazy world we live in these days* Living/listening to closet socialists w/o even realizing.

        • pttx333

          my buttons, but am “a’fixin’to” crash and burn. I haven’t slept in many hours and will getting really giggly soon, soooo, in order to preserve my .. ahem, uh … very dignified reputation, I must sign off soonest.

          These folks just do not know that they are going to go round and round the rodeo arena – buckin’ broncs, buck’ mules, and the spinnin’ bull rides – which will take them to parts unknown. LOVE IT!

          So I head off to bed with this heartfelt message for all: YEE HAW!!!!!

          • evilleramsfan

            and thought it said “I’m still poopin”

          • pttx333

            ,

        • greyeagle

          Perry will work with Congress, but he could care less what the media thinks of him. He will follow the constitution and states rights. He will cut regulations, departments, and will support Israel. He is totally unlike the current imposter in the WH. Perry will be a strong leader. Voters need to listen what he is saying and ignore the liberal media and I am sorry to say Fox network. I always watched FOX, but they have gone the other way. I go to true conservative web sites like Red State.

    • porkandcheese

      Perry probably prepared very extensively for this debate, because foreign policy is an area in which they are usually perceived as weak. I chalk up Perry’s earlier performances to the disadvantage of getting in late after back surgery while still holding office. He is up against people who have been running for years or make their living as a paid speaker. Of course, he has to compete with them, and he has done poorly so far. But I’m glad he’s finally getting up to speed. Good job!

      • cheetah2

        I believe every mistake made in his campaign stems from the fact that he got in at the last minute.

        He focused on fundraising in the beginning, which was vital, but it led to the neglecting of the debates.

        The debates were more difficult than anticipated, because of the fact that he took an early lead and came under intense attack right away. With his limited debating experience he needed to lurk in the background at the start, but that didn’t happen.

        I believe that he has done the best he could with the hand he was dealt. Time will tell whether he can pull it all off in the end. I am hoping and praying that he will!

        One good thing: He is in the habit of surprising those who underestimate him.

        • avagreen

          To their detriment.

          Odga, leasepa elpha sua (pig latin for the puzzled and very young ;) )

        • gator_hoo

          In the first debates, he had to worry about the Texas wildfires and was coming off of back surgery. People forget that he and Bachmann are the only two candidates who have actual jobs right now, and Bachmann has been a no show on the House floor, a luxury that a governor doesn’t have.

          • lizzie

            it must have been VERY uncomfortable for him to have to stand still for two hours with a back brace in his September debates.

            Ron Paul also has an actual job as much as I hate to admit it because I continue to believe that Perry’s “choke” on wednesday was from Perry looking at Ron Paul’s five-fingered hand and then his grimace!

            Paul hates Perry for having been a democrat until 1989.

            what I do not understand is why GOP voters do not understand that is one point that makes Perry so electable! (remember that Hillary took heat for having been a Goldwater Girl)

            If you read McCullough’s bio of Truman, you understand that the only reason Harry Truman grew up as a democrat was because he had living relatives who still cursed the Yankee Radical Republicans who raided the family farm during the Civil War.

          • pttx333

            Hitlery was a Goldwater girl! I was a Goldwater girl, and she’s NO Goldwater girl. Someone who wrote of Alinsky and his ilk? I never even HEARD of those people back then! She’s worse than Romney with being a serial windsock and lies every single chance she can. I’ve always thought she is a very dangerous woman, still think that and always will – she and Slick are a perfect match. Both of ‘em just throw stuff out to see how it plays in flyover country – a few bones for us, if you will. And here’s another thing – if that woman is smart, I’ll eat your bonnet, and mine too. How’s that?

            Sorry for the rant, Lizzie – really enjoyed your comments! ;-)

      • cimmarontrails

        Nope…doubt if Governor prepared too heavily…he is too much of a work a holic…he won’t take the time off and lock himself up like Cain or the others…he will run to catch up and pass up the competition…and he knows he can…His back surgery and the wild fires in Texas as well as the border that he is constantly in communications with…the fund raising and the setting the campaign up…all work that had to be done in less than half the time. He also had to say “Howdy.” The others attacked him and that was going on before he came in…they meant to shoot him down fast…Governor laid low but when he gets up…he is coming at cha and not going to argue about it. Texas made Governor proud…because we were doing so much better with the wildfires than he expected…he called for trailers to move stock…we got em there in a hurry and in great shape…The Eastern fires…(there were over fifty burning in the state) well…by the time Fema got to the scene…Fema had to take a back seat…Our Texas grocery chain HEB also was feeding and doing…these are all things Governor had already laid in place and taught us…Rise to the occasssion…So we told him to go to that debate…I know he could not have had much rest. God save our nation by giving us Perry in 2012!

  • rickperryreport

    and it showed. Congratulations to the campaign and now it’s time to go forth and conquer!

    • gracie

      Can you help? A link that works for what appears to have been the best part and one for the whole show.

      If you can get that to us we can SPREAD it…what do you say?? :)

    • Scope

      Perry has everything to do with Perry tonight. It is all about the candidate, not his team. Perry’s team was not on the stage tonight.

      • rickperryreport

        point taken. Perry kicked butt as well.

      • porkandcheese

        I think it helped, but ultimately it’s Perry’s show.

      • gator_hoo

        It’s like a sports team; even when the coaches are good, the players have to perform. So Perry did well, and he gets credit for that, as he should, but his coaches earned their money tonight as well.

        • cheetah2

          The Perry Team responded to the crisis in an exemplary manner, but it would have been all for naught without Perry to execute the plan. He made it work.

          Everyone makes mistakes, the way we deal with our mistakes shows a lot about the quality of our character.

  • changeforrickperry

    Perry took no prisoners tonight and was a jovial but serious contender in this debate. No one can accuse him of falling asleep or being a bully or having senior moments (he’s only 61, too young for such things). It should be interesting to see how the media spins it. Hopefully a lot of people watched it, wondering how that funny dude on David Letterman was going to fare this go-round. Tee-hee-hee, can’t wait to hear what the Sunday morning shows say!
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    “Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill

    www.changeforrickperry.org

    • Scope

      by what you have posted, by have actually been wishy washy about Perry in many posts. You say you support Perry, but, I have some zserious doubts about your support. It will all come out in the wash, won’t it?

      • Xasteius

        He/she is being funny/sarcastic towards the LSM.

        • Scope

          For this particular comment I would agree. I am reading all of his comments as a whole. I still stand by my comment. Check around the site for all his positions.

          • Xasteius

            changeforperry reminds me of llorta with the comments

          • pttx333

            her (I’m sure a her) since she first came on board. She’s is a recently graduated (high school) home-schooled Louisiana citizen who seems to be very naive, but has loved all things Perry for a long time. She has several younger siblings (one is 2), a Mom and grandparents that she adores and is trying to change grandparents’ minds. Has been asking about how to get into a volunteer group in LA. Brought innocent friend on board today, I think, another home-schooled from TX, I think. Two young’uns in my view to be viewed as such, IMHO.

            Dang, I’m going to dream up an RS email account (gmail or something) for myself so we can communicate off-site, if that is okay. Let me know.

          • Scope

            Here is one of my husbands emails- (minpin@turbousa.com) Send me an email there, and then I’ll give you my email.

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      • changeforrickperry

        I was just making fun of the MSM and the average American voter when I described Perry as “the funny dude on Letterman.” Sorry it’s taken me this long to respond, by the way (and a big thank you to Xasteius and pttx333). I went to bed before I could respond and we had church at our house this morning, hence my late response.

        I’ve racked my brain all day trying to figure out how I could have sounded “wishy-washy,” especially after I spent all of Friday trying to encourage depressed Perry supporters. I realize I’m a newbie and I have to prove to y’all that I’m not a troll or a moby. But I’d like to know exactly what it was that made you think this about me. The only thing I could think of was my post about Ron Paul last night (http://www.redstate.com/zsmvf6/2011/11/12/open-thread-diary-for-cbs-debate/#comment-644)

        Let me clarify: when I said “if something awful were to happen to Rick Perry and my choices were Romney/Paul, or Cain/Paul, I?ll take Paul in a heartbeat,” I wasn’t talking about poor debate performances or anything like that on Perry’s part. Perhaps I should’ve been even clearer and said “If Perry DIES sometime between now and November 2012…” So please don’t worry about my support for Perry dwindling in any way, shape, or form. I never wavered in my support even when he made the “heartless” comment, and I just gritted my teeth when he said “oops.” I know enough about Perry to know that he’s the best candidate up there, and unless he dies or loses the nomination, I’m in all the way.

        This is my first election to really be involved in. I wasn’t of voting age back in 2007-2008 and no one candidate interested me, anyway. So if I come across as “naive” or not quite as up to speed, please understand that I’m still getting my “sea legs” in this whole thing.

        If you have doubts as to my conservative pro-Perry principles, please take a quick glance at the website my brother and I put together (www.changeforrickperry.org) or my political blog (https://formidablecourage.wordpress.com/).

        Please, Scope, I really want to know what I said that concerned you. I have valued your opinion for months, first as a long-time lurker and now as a RedState member. Hopefully I can explain myself. I’ve learned from past experience that sometimes sarcasm doesn’t go across well over the Internet–hence the value of emoticons–so I apologize if I’ve confused anyone.
        ____________________________________________________________
        “Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill

        www.changeforrickperry.org

      • center77

        just be happy they are seeing what has been there all along.

  • Xasteius

    enough said.

    • westcoastpatriette

      He said that on the O’Reilly interview I believe.

    • lizzie

      he needs someone like Robert D. Kaplan, the writer of an amazing range from “Balkan Ghosts” to “Imperial Grunts”.

      Helps to not be labelled “Bush43′s third term”

      Perry likes to read war memoirs, so R D Kaplan would be a great addition.

      • circlegranch

        as an advisor to him regarding debates and messaging. Given his performance last night, she’s earning her money! Will talked about it today, apparently, on Sunday shows and said some in the Romney camp are pretty ticked about her taking the position.

  • texasroots

    I wish John Bolton was still at the United Nations. I loved how Bush sneaked him into that job.

    • Benta_Nordstrom

      President Bush did a great job in so many ways. We miss Bush a lot. Hopefully we will soon have another Texas Governor for President!!!

      • ericblair00

        What exactly did Bolton accomplish?

        • center77

          he has served this nation in many way, and even though not perfect, he has done well. If he is an advisor to Perry, all the better. Perry should probably not highlight it because in the general election it will feed the Bush narrative. Perry 2012

        • dcacklam

          Took on corruption at the UN, whereas past ambassadors ignored it.

          He also took a US-first position in negotiations (such as insisting that any UN arms-trafficking treaty recognize that the regulation of civilian small-arms ownership is a prerogative of individual nations, not a matter for the UN) .

          He was the right man for that job, and it’s a pity he only got to do it for the duration of a recess appointment.

  • onemovoter

    This is more of Perry backstage, and I’ll just say for your absolute enjoyment…..

    http://www.nationaljournal.com/cbs-nj-foreign-policy-debate/rick-perry-copies-ronald-reagan-tactic-in-debate-comeback-effort-20111112

    Rick Perry Copies Ronald Reagan

    • romansdaughter

      I loved that…great sense of humor!

    • pttx333

      that backstage video prior to the debate. THAT is Rick Perry … personality just oozes from every pore! He’s a naturally funny and fun guy – no pretense there.

      Woo hoo – he nailed the debate. What a guy!

    • pttx333

      Thought I would return the favor and show you the mindset that encompasses Perry and the whole Texas “thang.” What a hoot! This is about 3 years ago and has millions of hits, so I don’t know who has seen it. Here it is in all its glory! Funnnnneeeee …

  • RealQuiet

    The moment when Pelley tried to school Gingrich on the rule of law. Newt was second to Perry tonight and was very good. For anyone wanting a replay, check this out.

    http://hotair.com/archives/2011/11/12/video-gingrich-schools-pelley-on-rule-of-law-on-terrorists/

    • http://www4.webng.com/rickbull/lostlucky/ rickbull

      one of these days, these guys are eventually going to learn NOT to challenge Newt on matters of this sort. Pelley just got added to Newt’s trophy wall.

    • avagreen

      :) :)

      • nathanalbright

        …at the last debate, so this time he brought the fava beans and enjoyed it again.

  • clowngirl

    Was traveling and haven’t seen the debate yet. Glad to see so many comments saying Governor Perry did well! Looking forward to watching it. In the mean time, thanks for so quickly answering the question most on my mind.

  • gekster

    part 1

    part 2

    part 3

    part 4

    part 5

    part 6

    part 7

    • RealQuiet

      Be good to go over this and review this for an analysis but I leave the commentary up to EE and the rest of the editors of Redstate.

      My order of debate performance:

      1. Perry
      2. Gingrich
      3. Romney
      4. Bachmann
      5. Santorum
      6. Cain
      7. Huntsman
      8. Paul

      Yeah, I know some Paul supporters might get angry, but Cain and Paul had the worst nights. One, Cain lost A LOT tonight assuming that his responses get the usual air play on the internet. Two, Paul was just brutal tonight.

    • nathanalbright

      …now I get a chance to see the debate for myself.

      • pttx333

        reading your posts and have learned a lot from you! See? You’re still teaching other – everywhere you go. Yea!!!

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          • nathanalbright

            …I just finished watching it. I thought that Newt made some very good points about using covert and deniable operations (I’m not surprised he would do that either). Paul’s off the reservation in Foreign Policy. Cain sounded almost as clueless as Huntsman (what’s with that “internet generation” comment on China) and Paul. I was most disappointed by Bachmann and Santorum on Pakistan, though. And it looked like Santorum did more praising of Romney than I would have expected either for someone trying to appeal to the ABR vote.

          • pttx333

            I agree with your perception all the way. Now, absolutely Newt made those great points re covert, etc. operations, and you better bet he would do just that. So would Perry, though he didn’t have a chance to voice it. Believe him totally when you heard him say that he would be with our military and “whatever it takes” until the day he dies. Perry and Newt and twins on those things – actually, a lot of things. Cain sounds clueless, because he is just that. Huntsman is from a veeeery wealthy family in Utah – Dad got him a job as Ambassador to China, Governor of Utah so now he’s trying to buy the Presidency. That isn’t in stone, it is my opinion. Huntsman is very Libertarian like Paul, but covers it better than Paul. Both are conservative in some areas.

            Bachman is not electable, IMHO. She says some good things but when she had her shrill/shrieking moments my brain clicked off immediately – smacks of feminism. She is a hypocrite in some areas and has out-and-out lied – #1 about our guy. Also got tired of talking constantly of those 84 kids she raised – just kidding, not 84 but a lot of foster children, with 5 (I think, lost count) of her own. But WHEN did she have time to do all that? Hmmm? How on earth do you nurture and properly care for all of those kiddos? I know the fosters weren’t there all at once, BUT, with 5 of her own, they suffered somewhere.

            Lastly, Santorum. This is me talking here – I believe that Mitt and “Santomonium” are in cahoots somehow. S. is in debt with campaign expenses, so who is to say that his debts are paid off in exchange for a position somewhere in D.C. with Mitt? Neither of them is above such a thing. Neither slams the other. Isn’t that strange? But, that is me.

            Loved Perry tonight. Watched the debate again since the live go-around I was whooping & hollering so loud I missed some spots. ;-)

          • nathanalbright

            Is that she kept on wanting to get after Ron Paul, and she kept on wanting immediate comebacks. A lot of the other candidates (like Perry) were a lot more polite. I also thought that Huntsman sounded really whiny with two digs about not getting asked any questions (that’s what happens when you poll at 1%, be happy to be invited to the debate at all), and then when he said he was in “Siberia” over there. I definitely think there’s a possibility that Santorum is in cahoots with Romney. I wouldn’t be surprised if the same was true of Rep. Bachman as well. He’s got plenty of money and they’ve got struggling “conservative” campaigns with a lot of debt. He wants a divided ABR vote and they want his money. That’s at least a plausible explanation for their continued presence in the campaign at this point. When they are no longer useful they will be retired.

          • pttx333

            Correctamundo! Huntsman IS whiny, that is just him – spoiled rotten. He isn’t used to being ignored, overlooked or not having his own way. Glad you agree with the Sanctomonium (left the “c” out of the above post – maybe you’ll catch it this time LOL) and Romney tie, and I believe you are correct with the Bachmann tie also. You’re showing your kindness/politeness when you say “When they are no longer useful they will be retired.” Well, in plainer speak, it is “… they will thrown (a) off the proverbial cliff or (b) under the proverbial bus.”

            Perry is a gentleman, plain and simple. I think that was astonishment at the first debate when the others immediately threw rotten tomatoes all at once, and he just wasn’t expecting it.

            Glad you see underlying “conspiracies” as do I. Get to thinking sometimes that I spend entire too much time by myself. HA

          • nathanalbright

            …spending lots of time by myself. It comes with the territory when one cannot communicate with the natives. It gives me a lot of time to think and ponder and muse, and while that can be dangerous, it can also be useful as well. I don’t see any reason to be unkind to either Bachman or Santorum–Santorum did represent my home state at one time, and Bachman still has a purpose in the Senate. Simply because one does not think they are qualified or fit for the office of president does not mean they have no right to personal respect.

          • pttx333

            I freely admit, For Bachmann to distort facts (she voted for the gardasil issue in her own state, but slammed Perry as wanting to harm young girls) and outright lie about another (regardless of who the other is) is a huge no-no for me. For Santorum, he comes across to me sometimes very snarky, whiny and “preachy.” That doesn’t sit well with me and many others, note that he was not re-elected in PA and his numbers are low here, too. Now if I were to meet them, of course there would be nothing but respect shown them. Another thing is that if you are going to slam some and not others, that isn’t fair. Why not discuss that Mitt is a serial windsock for example – that is what he is. That would be a factual statement. In fact, I don’t believe there should be any uncivil discourse between or at the candidates – the nominee then has to run against b.o. who can throw it back into the face of our nominee. Deal in facts only, no distortions, no lies, just straight facts tossed about. With those three, I am particularly perturbed by the seeming to be in cahoots – don’t know for sure if it is legal, but IMHO, there is nothing ethical about it. And those are two different issues. That is the legal-training side of me kicking in. LOL

            As for being alone a lot, I am simply because I live alone. I do visit my son and my granddaughter and a couple of dear friends here. I work part-time sometimes for my former boss who is an attorney/CPA, but would prefer a full-time job (just a little one – no big-time boilerplate job such as I had when I retired) for the comraderie and to give me a structured lifestyle – I do better with structure. ;-) It is 3:00 a.m. CST now and look at me – on my beloved computer. Since I’m a natural-born night owl, that is what I default to when left to my own devices.

          • nathanalbright

            …but it’s good practice. I believe that we should not be afraid to make distinctions based on the facts and evidence, but the candidates are different enough (and this debate showed it) that there was a lot of separation between Newt & Perry and everyone else just on that alone. We should therefore, if we’re stuck with endless debates, at least try to look for debates that allow for the most substance to be discussed, and for the most cross-examination based on the record. That might be possible with a few less people invited (see Santorum, Huntsman, and maybe even Bachman).

          • pttx333

            Typically, they are run by libs who play gotcha, and that is easy to do given the structure of these 30 and 60 second answers. For Perry, it is particularly difficult given his Texas accent – what is he gonna do, take diction (or whatever lesson) lessons to get a New Yawk accent? We just speak slower, that is just the way it is.

            BTW, is Major Garrett still with Faux News? They said he is with The National Journal. I figured out that Major was a lib a good while back, and that ws disappointing. Anyway, he was okay, I suppose.

            Yes, to me debates should give each candidate ample time to answer with clarity. In what other situation are you give no more than 60 seconds to answer a complicated question? None. That isn’t right or fair to any of them, and the libs know it. It is by design, and whoever the powers-that-be are should never agree to such – particularly for such a large field.

          • nathanalbright

            …for groups like the NCFCA, people had about twenty minutes worth of speaking, with back and forth, to deal with complicated questions. The one L-D debate we have had this campaign definitely showed what an empty suit Cain was. (I can see campaign ads showing Cain’s responses so that Newt can answer first.) As I’m not a native Southerner I talk fairly rapidly, but even so, I’m someone who believes in nuance, at least to most of the questions that are asked. How are you supposed to convey that nuance in almost no time? I suppose you’d need a lot of prep work with your people to distill the most essential elements of your answer in a short enough time. That’s far from easy work to do, though.

          • pttx333

            can you get a point across without it? You either speak in a stacatto monotone or weave about similar to Perry in prior debates. If you will notice, he uses his hands continually, as do I. And when you do, you’re not even aware of it at the time. It is as natural as waking up each day. I probably couldn’t say a word if someone tied my hands behind my back. Of course, some might think that to be a blessing! ;-)

            Yes, Cain is a totally empty suit, yet I believe he thought it he could pull it off – or – he doesn’t understand that it takes a little knowledge here and there. Then there is the race card he has thrown out lately (disappointedly so), so maybe that factor would apply to he thought of actually winning. Maybe a combination. At any rate, if he isn’t toast soon he will be down the road.

            Good on you for moderating. That had to have been more fun! But, pray tell, what is NCFCA?

          • nathanalbright

            …it’s as natural as breathing. The NCFCA is the National Christian Forensics and Communications Association. It holds state-level and national-level speech and debate competitions around the nation, mostly for homeschoolers and Christian school students. Though I survived thirteen years in public schools, I’m an enthusiastic supporter of parochial and home-school education, and some of my friends were (like me) interested in debates, so I served as a judge for different competitions that they had, and it’s something I greatly enjoyed. The state competitions for Florida for a couple of years were held in Lutz, not too far from where I lived, so I was able to take off from work (before the Great Recession) each year with some of vacation time to judge.

          • nathanalbright

            …if I couldn’t move my hands.

            The NCFCA is the National Christian Forensics and Communication Association. They host state and national-level competitions nationwide, and for a couple of years (before the Great Recession), the Florida state level competition was held in Lutz, near where I lived. I had the chance to take off a little time from work with vacation time to judge debates from home schooled and parochial high school students. It was a lot of fun, and gave me a little bit of hope that some young people in the next generation are wiser than those currently in power.

          • nathanalbright

            Sorry for the repeat. My first post didn’t show up at first xD.

    • iidvbii

      I thought Perry KICKED A$$…. And not a moment to soon…… My score.

      #1 PERRY focused, comfortable, knowledgeable looked like the governor of Texas again.

      2nd NEWT I get a measure of wicked pleasure watching him school self styled intellectuals. Yeah I know its a character flaw but its not my only and certainly not my worst.

      3rd … Who cares???? Bachman is done, Santorum is done, Cains a clown, Romney’s an alien approximation of what they believe a conservative is…..

      Paul, good ole congressman Paul. Honestly I love the guy. In a world without Islamic jihad where rational people could set down and logically discuss their differences Paul just might be our guy. But alas congressman we the inhabitants of the world have failed you. Our world does contain Islamic nut jobs who wouldn’t hesitate to nuke us all. So it does matter if Iran gets a bomb, we can’t just withdraw and mind our own business and expect to be left alone. Paul is done, though it is our failure not his.

      Perry now needs to make tonights performance the norm and I predict good things for his campaign and by extension America. As for me, well I couldn’t be happier if I had a billion bucks and my own personal F22 Raptor…..

      • pttx333

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        • nathanalbright

          …a flaw which I share, for the record, is Schadenfreude:

          http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schadenfreude

          • pttx333

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  • redmymind

    Folks, . . . I’m speechless . . . I’m S-O-O-O-O-O proud of our guy!!! Nuff said! GO PERRY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    • redmymind

      Thank you, RealQuiet! Excellent, concise analysis!!!

      • RealQuiet

        n/t

        • LibertyWins

          Good Work!

  • RealQuiet

    http://t.co/3UUdKHl8

    Jonathan Martin of Politico (broke the Cain “scandal) is having a hard time (whining maybe) why none of the GOP candidates are going after the frontrunner Romney and Romney remained unscathed again. Heh, we are so on to these guys. Nothing would help Barack Obama more than the GOP candidates dumping their campaign dollars into fighting each other in the debates and over the airwaves instead of against him. It’s a good night when you see the MSM whining.

    • RealQuiet

      Check out Jennifer Rubin’s Twitter feed:

      http://twitter.com/#!/JRubinBlogger

      Follow the tweets on her blog and watch how they are totally anti-Gingrich and Perry. They think the cutting aid to Pakistan and zero dollar from scratch position is dumb. Clueless journalists.

    • redmymind

      Tonight’s debate indicated to me that candidates can really stand out and out-shine one another, like Governor Perry clearly did (man, he really knocked it out of the park tonight!!!), without going for the jugular. This was a clean debate that did a lot to expose the MS/LS media and its tiresome, sleazy, “gotcha” tactics, geared more toward sensationalism rather than actual substance!

      • nathanalbright

        The real strength of this debate (I would have liked far more time for the candidates to detail their positions) was that it allowed the candidates to show their varying foreign policy worldviews. And Perry and Newt (and I liked Newt’s willingness to piggyback on Perry’s zero cost budgeting line) were far above the rest without resorting to personal attacks.

  • 1bunny

    on RS for your comments and posting the video(s) of the debate. I missed the debate tonight but all I can say after reading the postings is YAHOO!!! I am so happy – prayers have been answered. I will take the time later today to view the video as it is after midnight for me. I just wanted to say thanks for the encouraging words on Perry tonight. I can now sleep easy : )

    • redmymind

      . . . or whatever your “poison” happens to be! You’ll clearly love how our Governor knocked it out of the park tonight!

      Note: I’m a Californian . . . but don’t mind being an honorary Texan one bit so that I can refer to Perry as “our” Governor!!!

      • pttx333

        on behalf of the Governor, but I don’t think he will mind! ;-) I truly hate that he will not be my Governor when he moves to 1600, but we can share with everyone our honorable guy.

        My particular poison would be a coke in a small bottle thrown in the freezer just long enough to form little ice crystals so as to be sort of a homemade coke slush. Nummy. I had 2 tonight, along with chipotle salsa and chips, while watching the debate. Figured I would just go for the brass ring and have two of those cokes.

        Yep, our guy “done hisself proud” as some in Texas might say!

        • redmymind

          Now I’m gonna have to learn some of the colloquialism, and I might as well start with “done hisself proud”! . . . which officially makes you the Ambassador of Linguistics!

          My only trip to Texas? 1996 when I stayed a day at Arlington to tour the GM Assembly Plant when they were still building those cool Impala SS vehicles! I really enjoyed the trip and remember seeing a lot of “Steak and Aile” (I think that’s what they were called) places driving down the highways.

          BTW, I’ve never tried cola in the manner you describe. Must give it a try!

          • pttx333

            When you have a moment, go over and see the video I posted (I think on the open diary from the debate last night), or go to my profile and find it. It is Pig Races vs. Mosque in Katy, TX (just west of Houston). The explanation is hilarious as to what occurred – the video is a hoot. Can’t be a Texan without knowing “ever thang” – another one of those colloquialisms, doncha know. LOL

            If you were only in Arlington, you didn’t see much. Though it is nice enough there, there are all sorts of different climates, beautiful areas and some not-so-beautiful, even different accents – but all with a drawl. Those were “Steak and Ale” restaurants that you saw – been out of business for a number of years. They had good food, so I don’t know why they closed.

            You will enjoy the coke – oh, that’s another thing – every soft drink is called a coke, as in: “Let’s go get a coke.” Arrive at your destination to order: “Could I please have a diet sprite, this ‘un wants a root beer … ” Aren’t we weird? How does it feel to be newly weird today? ;-)

          • redmymind

            I watched the Pig Races vs. Mosque in Katy, TX as part of the “rite of initiation” and could not stop thinking about the Kansas City style pork ribs I totally missed out on attending a Church conference at the Kansas City, MO Airport Hilton last year, which came with a set menu of what one would “politely” describe as . . . “wedding food”!

            Your video was a total riot! Yet, it also speaks volumes about the insidious spirit of dogmatic intolerance trying to elbow its way into the very fabric of traditional American society, ironically cloaked under the very freedom it seeks to do away with.

            Yep, I certainly saw a lot of Steak and Ale places along the highway exits as I quickly toured parts of Dallas and Fort Worth in my one-day rental to absorb as much as I could after that formal tour of the GM plant in Arlington. Sorry Steak and Ale went out of business.

            “Weird” is just fine for me as long as it’s not Hollyweird!

            Now, I’ll try that coke!

          • pttx333

            Uh huh, no sireee bobtail. Just watch the old westerns – that is our kind of weird. Yes, we have our pompous a$$es, those who think the unwashed masses (that would include me!) are just too embarrassing what with our uproarious laughter at times and good will to all – but don’t mess with my dog, my kids, my loved ones or my “stuff.”

            That brings me to the story of Perry and the coyote. Oh, what an uproar that caused in certain circles across the land. It was “OH NO, (gasping loudly), he had a GUN and he KILLED a sweet little coyote! What a monster! How low class, how stupid he is, and he wears (more gasping!) BOOTS and sometimes a HAT and aaaa BELT BUCKLE (hyperventilating now)!” Our reaction to all of that was: rapid blinking, looking all around at one another, shrugging and saying (loudly!) “What a bunch of IDJITS!” The man was protecting his little dog, so he pulled out his LEGAL pistol and killed the predator! Big deal, get a life and all that jazz!

            I love that video – first time I saw it all I could do was laugh and still do. When I need a real pick-me-up, all I have to do is watch it again. Nothin’ more than pure common sense oozing from that farmer’s very core. Ya don’t move next door to someone and then commence to tell your neighbor what he should do on his own property! PARTICULARLY if it involves a mosque – that just ain’t riiiiight.

          • redmymind

            That kind of “weird” is a-okay with me!

            Just a question: and you get only 60 seconds to answer it, with maybe a 30 second follow-up . . . I’ve seen Governor Perry on TV come out on stage to give a speech with some country music playing in the background to set the mood–sounded really cool and it just fit his persona. Does country music pretty much dominate the air waves in Texas (and in the South in general)? Please don’t mind my question. I love the sound of country music!

          • pttx333

            it anywhere on the dial. Love it, too. We have some really great places to go listen and go dancing. Nothing like country dancing – more fun! All of the cities and small towns have great places to go, too. Austin is a good place for it – but Austin is truly weird in the San Fran kind of way all the fruit loops from there took over with the techie invasion. They’ve almost ruined a beautiful, laid back city with their yuppie, liberal, PC way – I mean real loons.

            When I speak here, it is in reference to true Texans, not the Austin crowd of morons. Haven’t seen that particular ad, but, yes, it is his persona. He’s typically in jeans and boots and wears boots with his suits as a rule. However, given his drum playing with ZZ Top (go to youtube and look them up – a very popular national group though from TX) and playing Beethoven on the piano, he’s very well rounded, as most of us are, believe it or not. We just enjoy to the hilt pulling everyone’s legs and exaggerating just a wee tad! ;-) More fun that way, doncha know.

            Now, country music is wonderful and I know only a few who don’t like it. But there are other influences, too. I grew up during Happy Days when rock ‘n roll was evolving, so I love rock ‘n roll, love Elvis, hated the Beatles, loved the Stones, etc. Then you have Willie Nelson – a true legend here. We love the guy, his music and even put up with his liberal ways – he doesn’t try to push ‘em off on us, he’s just Willie. We just figure that, poor thing, his brain is fried from too much pot, but he writes the most beautiful music (even though in reality he doesn’t sing that well, but we love it anyway) and he probably has the one of the most kind and sweet souls found in any one person. So he gets cut a LOT of slack cuz that’s just Willie being Willie. And if you have never heard his Stardust album, go find it. Or go to youtube and pull up some of his songs. Most of them he has written, and they are beautiful with a few funny ones thrown in. Can’t have an ugly soul to write like that.

            So guess you could say there’s a nice mixture – you an find whatever you want. You can go big-dog style in Dallas, or whoop it up most anywhere you wish to go. Lots and lots of history and fun things, and never heard of anyone who doesn’t love music. My soul would die without it.

            As me a question any old time you wish, red. I’ll answer ASAP! Thanks for asking!

          • pttx333

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          • redmymind

            You have a way of transmitting encyclopedic wisdom and cultural insight in such a down-to-earth, entertaining way. That’s a real talent and God bless you for it!

            Typos, did you say? . . . Uh, it’s so late I’m seeing double anyway!

            Till next!

          • pttx333

            You think it is late there, I’m two hours ahead of ya! I’m too nosy to give it up yet.

            Thank you for saying that, red. Glad you enjoy my silly stuff … no talent, though. Whatever comes into my mind pours staight down through my fingers and somehow morphs into a string of scattered thoughts that I hope are legible. If not, well, everyone is smart enough to figure it out. ;-)

            Yep, I am salt of the earth, down to earth, and don’t put up with the phony stuff when I see it. And D,C, is full of it, not to mention a lot of other places. There is no call for anyone to behave that way – and, besides, they put on their drawers the same as me, one leg at a time (unless they are circus contortionists or have somehow been accidentally deboned just like a chicken!).

          • pttx333

            I was sent this sweet article regarding Rick and Anita Perry. It is precious, it is funny and very endearing … and that is just who they are, all of those things. Enjoy!

            http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/perry-watch/headlines/20111112-perrys-marriage-a-private-affair-in-public-life.ece

          • redmymind

            It really went into the intricacies of the Perry family’s life and the dynamics of their marriage in such a thoughtful and tasteful manner. Ought to read like science fiction out here on the Left Coast where “marriages” have as much shelf-life as a gallon of milk! Now why wouldn’t the liberal media publicize more stories like this??? Instead, they focus on failures and clownish HollyWEIRD examples, hoping to thereby cheapen this most sacred institution so that there won’t be much of a fight, come time to “re-define” it.

            Great job, pttx333! Could always count on you to find relevant, interesting stuff!

          • pttx333

            finding a lot of them, because a lot of them just fall in my lap – including this one – I just pass them along. One of our fellow posters sent this one to me, and I just couldn’t resist sending it to you. Living out on the left coast, I figured you would never see such an article. I am amazed that such a positive article would appear, though, because the big-city rags even in Texas are lefties. Like a bunch of cocroaches, they seem to invade everything that is important.

            Absolutely agree with your take on the extreme ideas regarding marriage, along with every other social issue that they can twist into the most insane stances with which to cram down our throats. And the drooling morons buy it! There are some of the same elements here, but, thank God, are limited to small pockets.

            Glad you enjoyed the article – I have it bookmarked, so will pull it up and read it from time to time and forward to one and all that I possibly can – sorta spreading the good word for a change.

          • tjms

            me help ya get started: You don’ say you are gonna have to learn, you say I am fixna learn, ……. This one drove our friends nuts when we lived in the northeast for a few years.. That and our pronunciation of cement,.

          • redmymind

            I’m fixna learn not to get overly discouraged by what we call “Valley Speak” out here on the Left Coast (presumably taken after how some typically express themselves in the semi-posh neighborhood of San Fernando Valley, some twelve or so miles north of downtown Los Angeles. You can pretty much detect the presence of this “dialect” when every other utterance is prefaced by the following:

            “I’m, like, totally . . . ”

            That said, I find the differences quite amusing . . . and enriching, despite where our preferences may lie.

            Yes, I’ve heard the word “cement” pronounced as, “CE-ment,” just as I’ve noticed Governor Perry pronounce “insurance” as, “IN-surance.”

          • tjms

            thats how we pronounce it!! I lived in Van Nuys many, many years ago. Expereinced 1 earthquake and a Rolling Stones concert.(My younger days for sure). I worked long enough there to save enough money to get home to TX!!!! I have a sister that lives near San Jose, but also has a Texas home on the beach. I will visit her when she comes to TX but no big desire to head out west anytime soon,

          • redmymind

            And now once again under Jerry Brown, we’re really going “south.”

          • pttx333

            the way we pronounce it! That pronunciation as we figure it to be is: See mint! Makes sense to me! Seems about a thousand years ago this little baby was born in a little town called Cement (that would be me!). Many years after that, while working my downtown Houston, I got news that my aunt had died. So made plans to fly up there for the funeral, but due to a huge case that we were working on at work, I didn’t have time to linger. A friend offered to take me to the airport one evening with plans to pick me up the next evening. Arrived in OKC, went to funeral next morning, then drove about 60 mi. away for the burial in See Mint. Went back to OKC, hopped a flight and arrived in Houston. Driving down the freeway with my friend (still spoke with an upstate NY accent) who asks how the day had gone. I said I was exhausted, explained we had the funeral, drove a long way and buried my aunt in See Mint. Said friend got hysterical with laughter, almost ran off the road and pulled to a stop! I just sat there confused and friend asked “Was she that much of a b*tch that you had to bury her in See Mint?” Then I got it and was hysterical myself. So here we sit on the side of the freeway laughing like two loons. For the life of me, it had never occurred to me how insane it must sound to others that a lot of my relatives are buried in See Mint – and the pronunciation makes it even funnier!

            So, all of you who are not familiar with this weird breed of folks down here, get ready cuz our Governor is going to 1600 – we don’t mind sharing – and not only is he a’gonna clean out the scum the best he can (is there enough bleach stored somewhere?) but it will be fun to boot. He is a naturally funny guy – that is a requirement, a good sense of humor! Laughter makes the day much nicer.

          • cbartlett

            Kuddos from another life-long fellow Texan.
            Just want to add – Rick & Anita have WAY more class than the current occupiers of 1600!!!

          • pttx333

            after the current crew clears out. b.o. and Mitchell Antoinette are the most odious of any of the previous occupants. Nor is there an ounce of character, much less class, in their make-up – and is something they could never begin to even understand. And that has nothing to do with one’s bank account or holdings … they have never even shaken hands with class or character and never will.

            I can’t tell you how I cringe from their constant disregard for anything related to dignity and protocol. And Mitchell’s attire, demeanor – even her plow horse lope – are so embarrassing to me as a woman. There is no there, there, with either of them. Not to mention, I don’t think either is anywhere approaching the “brilliance” they believe to possess, along with their many drooling fans’ belief in same. I could write a novel on just the issue you mentioned – class -but you can’t make silk out of a sow’s ear.

            Good to meetcha, fellow Texan! Aren’t we just the most blessed folks with our Governor and soon-to-be President? We can share with the nation our crown jewel(s). He and Anita will indeed bring back to OUR White House the class, dignity and beauty it deserves, as do we and the rest of the world!

            In parting, I will say this – YEE HAW! ;-)

      • iidvbii

        that may have felt excluded by some of my posts. By way of example I posted Travis’s letter from the Alamo the other night and specified that “we Texans” would not give up… I am sorry that I used the disqualifier “Texans” when I should have just said “WE”. We are truly in this together and thankfully the good governor for Texas has found support beyond Texas. I understand how important that is, we cannot stand alone. I promise if you open my veins I bleed red,white and blue. I am a proud American, it is a habit to think of myself as a Texan first. This is certainly not a good habit in this context and I apologize if I have alienated anyone.

        We Texans are proud Americans, and I can honestly say that I am very proud to have many of you as my countrymen. It is my honor to have such wonderful cousins as you.

        • pttx333

          need to apologize? Aren’t all those who wish to be a Texan (or who won’t be offended to be one LOL) more than welcome to jump in and be one? To me, being a true Texan is a mindset. I confess that I was born in OK, but have lived in Texas for all but 4 years or so of my life. That isn’t to say I don’t love OK or that folks there aren’t Texan also in their mindset. (Funny thing I’ll share here – Okies call Texas “Baja Oklahoma” – isn’t that a hoot?) Sorta like the John Wayne thing – to me he was all-American, and that is how I see a true Texan, all-American.

          Bottom line, we are all one in this country, or certainly should be. We tease and joke about other states and other cultures (even football teams, etc.), but we are still one nation – under God Himself.

          • iidvbii

            Just want people in Ohio, Michigan, South Carolina and the rest of the country to know that I am not discounting them or their support.

          • pttx333

            clearly not your intention.

            It’ll be fine – we’re a bunch of good folks. I’m fairly new here, and it was very obvious from day one.

        • redmymind

          there are some of us here (well, I’ll speak for myself) who are trying to pass off as honorary Texans just to share in the pride we all feel in Governor Perry. No apology needed as far as I’m concerned!

          BTW, I hope you get your billion dollars and your private F-22 Raptor. Maybe life will throw in a few MiG-29s and SU-37s for target practice. How about that???

          • iidvbii

            :P

          • cheetah2

            Since getting to know about the Perry family and becoming online friends with some great Perry supporters from Texas.

          • pttx333

            exclusive bunch … good folks are always welcomed with a great big smile and a bigger HOWDY, my friend! It is a mindset that exists everywhere, that is all it is.

          • changeforrickperry

            Good to see another Texan At Heart on RedState!
            ______________________________________________________________
            “Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill

            www.changeforrickperry.org

  • LibertyWins

    You made me proud tonight!
    Keep it up Rick!
    Show them what you are really made of!
    God Speed!

  • gator_hoo

    1) this was the first network debate, so the first that may have drawn in a more casual audience, it was important that he shine here to make the last debate look like the aberration, and I think he did.

    2) I’m not going to say he won in absolute terms, I would still give that to Newt, who came across as having a great handle on every issue. But Perry was the best non-Newt, which I think will be enough when people start to remember why Newt was persona non grata for quite a while among conservatives (not slamming on Newt, he’s my current number two and think he would be a great vice for any nominee).

    3) Perry had the two best moments of the debate 1) laying out his “foreign aid starts at zero” plan. And 2) “I’m glad you remembered.”. I think he did a great job humanizing the error from his last debate, and it is obvious that he has really good people around him (but I wouldn’t go so far as Erick as to say the only good thing about his campaign is the people working under him). Having the two best soundbites is important in today’s culture, and no foreign aid without support is a very politically sellable idea.

    4) I disagree with the earlier posters who say that it was all Perry. It was obvious to me that he had been coached extensively for this debate. 1) he didn’t say anything that he couldn’t shift out of, so he didn’t have enough rope to hang himself, and 2) he had a lot of answers where he began by answering the question before his. This is a great debate technique because you can think of.an answer

    • porkandcheese

      Folks just tuning in might be more likely to watch just to see how Perry performs. It’s like a Nascar event or Spiderman: Turn Back the Dark. Morbid curiosity drives the ratings. Also, the bar is set low for Perry now. He can be more relaxed, because he has shown he is a human being. Finally, voters are paying more attention now to this issues, since it is less of a horserace now.

      I agree with much of your analysis, but I still think Newt is overrated. He is good at selling himself as a wonk, but I find many of his answers are more about reasserting his brand than actually intelligent comments. He just stays in key, unlike Santorum. Btw, I got a good chuckle from the former PA senator’s boast that he had been working on an issue since 2004. Wasn’t he defeated in 2006?

      • acat

        with Perry’s post-brain-cramp blitz of media outlets…

        “Hey, this guy’s funny.” follows to the debate and “Hey, this guy’s not just funny.”

        Time will tell if Perry can capitalize on this, but .. he needed to win, and it seems he did.

        Mew

  • gator_hoo

    1) this was the first network debate, so the first that may have drawn in a more casual audience, it was important that he shine here to make the last debate look like the aberration, and I think he did.

    2) I’m not going to say he won in absolute terms, I would still give that to Newt, who came across as having a great handle on every issue. But Perry was the best non-Newt, which I think will be enough when people start to remember why Newt was persona non grata for quite a while among conservatives (not slamming on Newt, he’s my current number two and think he would be a great vice for any nominee).

    3) Perry had the two best moments of the debate 1) laying out his “foreign aid starts at zero” plan. And 2) “I’m glad you remembered.”. I think he did a great job humanizing the error from his last debate, and it is obvious that he has really good people around him (but I wouldn’t go so far as Erick as to say the only good thing about his campaign is the people working under him). Having the two best soundbites is important in today’s culture, and no foreign aid without support is a very politically sellable idea.

    4) I disagree with the earlier posters who say that it was all Perry. It was obvious to me that he had been coached extensively for this debate. 1) he didn’t say anything that he couldn’t shift out of, so he didn’t have enough rope to hang himself, and 2) he had a lot of answers where he began by answering the question before his. This is a great debate technique because you can think of an answer for the prior question while the other person is answering it and then think of an answer to your question while giving the answer to the last question. At times, I felt he relied on that a bit much as a crutch, but better to lean on a crutch than fall on your face. Don’t get me wrong, Perry still had to be the one to learn from his coaching, but his coaches earned their checks.

    5). My guess is CBS gave Perry the last question because they wanted him to have one last chance to flub. I think that backfired. I think by him having the last question, CBS leant credibility to the idea that despite the last debate, Perry is still a major contender in this race. It also gave him one more association with politically popular cuts to foreign aid. I don’t think his last answer was his strongest, but it was good, and it was the last thing most people heard before whatever crummy program followed the debate. That plays to his advantage.

    6) best moment of the night: Newt agreeing with Perry’s foreign aid plan, and Perry smiling ear to ear. Maybe my favorite moment of the political season so far, although Newt has a few moderators’ heads hanging above his mantle.

    Good night for Rick and Newt both.

    • wacowboy

      especially #1.

      If I’m correct, this is the first debate to be broadcast on network TV — viewership has to be much greater than another online or cable broadcast. Rick Perry picked the best debate to shine in.

      Let’s hope his performance tonight starts to clue many others in to what a lot of us here have already known — that he’s the right choice for president.

  • iidvbii

    Hat tip to “redmymind” for reminding me to be polite and gracious to our host. Thank you so much RealQuiet for the thread and taking the time to play host to us all. You rock….

    • RealQuiet

      He was the one who had the open debate thread and I have to tip my hat to him. I followed there because my wireless router was giving me fits to where I couldn’t get the live blog feed to load. I simply made a diary entry summing up what myself and a lot of other people were feeling after the debate wrapped up.

  • romansdaughter

    Thanks so much! You are awesome!

  • J. Leg

    I joke, I joke.

    Perry wasn’t bad but he didn’t do THAT well, especially compared to Newt and even Herman Cain.

    The problem I have with Perry is I don’t believe him. I think he’s another big government Republican wrapped in a Texans clothing. I also don’t think he’s prepared for the presidency. Perry reminds me of Bush. Not because of the fact that he’s a Texan (and literally sounds the same), but because he’s someone southern conservative connect with culturally, but he’s not really all that conservative.

    That said, he’s considerably better alternative to Barack Obama, but only slightly better than Romney in my opinion.

    Take a bow Perrykrishnas! He did a lot better tonight that anyone had expected.

    • gekster

      ..nt..nt..

    • acat

      you provide a view from a different vantage point. (I’m guessing you’re not a Texan, and perhaps a northeasterner?)

      Did you happen to catch Perry on Letterman? The video’s around here somewhere, I know I posted it at least once. I’d like your opinion on how he came across there.

      Mew

    • paladin1

      in your statement that you don’t believe Governor Perry. If you view the record of laws passed with his support in Texas and note his consistency of his views on issues (whether you agree with them or not), I fail to see how you can say he is unbelievable or that he is only “slightly” better than Romney, whose changes of mind to fit his purpose are well documented and prodigious.

      Your thought that he is a big government Republican is also flawed. Look at the lack of regulations and the quite favorable tax structure of Texas that he has fostered toward both individuals and businesses and tell me where that comes from; hardly a big government set of ideas. He has stated before when he has vetoed a bill passed by the Legislature, that he was doing so because it was unwarranted interference in people’s lives.

      Lastly, your thought that he is not that conservative is also interesting, since Redstate is full of posts regarding conservative laws he has supported and signed, the conservative budget he supported and signed last year, and his consistent support and use of both the Tenth and Second Amendments to the US Constitution. All this has been documented and elaborated on so I am curious as to your posted points.

      I am not attacking you, just trying to see where you are coming from given your assertions.

    • paladin1

      how on earth could you possibly conclude this: “Perry wasn?t bad but he didn?t do THAT well, especially compared to Newt and even Herman Cain.”

      Herman Cain? Herman Cain?!?! One headline reads “Cain Wades in the Shallows” and he is roundly acknowledged as not doing well last night and being evasive on his answers.

      Another headline: “Perry, Gingrich Standout”. That is more to the point.

    • gator_hoo

      …That thinks Herman Cain had a good debate last night. Look, when Perry flubbed at the last debate, I acknowledged it was really bad and had the potential to kill his campaign. Cain was bad last night, with answers like “I will approve any behavior by the military, as long as we can create some euphemism for it.” and “I don’t know what I would do, except surround myself with top talent, like Mark Block and J.D. Gordon.”

      • avagreen

        …..just here to stir the pot IMHO.

    • greyeagle

      Perry has been running a state much better than many countries of the world. He and Bush are not alike at all, and I loved President Bush. He is a staunch conservative, pro-life, pro-military, pro-secure borders, pro-Israel, pro-energy (produce in US) pro-states rights, pro-constitution, pro-less government etc. Why do I know? I have voted for him in the past 4 elections and am from TX. Texas do have an accent, but its a little different in different parts of the state. People have accents in all of the states, not just TX. Perry has been exceptional Governor. Perry stays true to his positions. Romney is a liberal hiding in stated conservative clothing. Perry tonight looked like the Perry I know.

    • gator_hoo

      Nonetheless, I have seen the “I don’t believe Perry” thing elsewhere and would like to address it here.

      At the last debate, when Perry flubbed on his third department, it would have been much easier (and indeed I would have preferred) for him when questioned whether the EPA was the third agency he wanted to get rid of, to say “yes, it sure was.” Nobody would know differently. Instead, he admitted that it was not.

      What that told me is that one of the reasons he has trouble debating is because he is honest to a fault. It is easy to give a good sounding answer when you have no conviction behind it (see Romney, Mitt), but when you really want to put your ideas out there, then you open yourself up to flubs.

      Whatever you want to say about Perry, saying you don’t believe him just isn’t reasonable.

      • J. Leg

        First of all, I’m not a troll. I’ve posted quite a bit on this blog.

        Perry’s got three problems for me:

        First is his abuse of executive power. Yes, he’s apologized for it, but the fact that he was willing to do it in the first place astounds me. For someone who’s supposed to be a conviction conservative, forcing young girls to get vaccinations doesn’t exactly ring true for me.

        Second are his campaign contributions from Merck (the company that makes Gardisil the drug he forced on young girls) and his willingness to lie about them on national TV. I realize politicians can’t keep up with all that stuff, but the fact that he so greatly underplayed his hand there was a little bit disturbing.

        (RESISTING PERRY JOKE RIGHT HERE…)

        Finally, his immigration stance is unacceptable. His “heartless” comments were unforgivable and give creedence to the left that people on the right who oppose illegal immigration are some how heartless.

        To me, Perry is typical politician. He’s embraced conservatism in the last couple of years because it’s been politically expedient for him. That’s what I’ve gathered from people from Texas as well. He’s a lot like Bush.

        • tjms

          am a Texan and totally disagree. He is nothing like Bush, and I have never heard anyone around here say that. And he has been conservative as long as he has been governor and prior. In my opinion he is far from a “typical politician”, he says what he means and sticks by it. From my experience he sticks to it whether it is a popular point or not. However, he does listen to constituents when they object.

        • gator_hoo

          Although I am a Texan of recent vintage, I have seen Perry fight Washington DC and for conservative values, even against Bush, as I put in a recent post, which is still in the recommended section (Thanks guys!).

          Perry, far from being a big government conservative has worked to reduce the size of government. When Texas faced a budget shortfall, he led the fight (and successfully fought, unlike Bachmann the leader of the unsuccessful fights) for the deficit to be met entirely by reduced spending. In fact, under Perry, Texas reduced its budget (not relative to a projected budget, but the actual budget) for the first time since WWII.

          I am going to grant you the benefit of the doubt that you misunderstand, rather than are lying about, Gardisil, but it was not “forced on young girls” – 1) number of girls who got the shot under the executive order? – zero 2) Number of girls who would have gotten the shot without their parents’ consent if the order had gone into effect? Also zero. It was “mandatory” in the sense that it was an opt-out program, which it had to be for insurance purposes, but only required a signature from a parent who wished to opt out.

          I haven’t found any information saying that Perry was lying about his money from Merck, unless you ignore the context of his statement. I know that people have pointed to the fact that he has gotten more than that from Merck, but 1) I can’t find any definitive numbers about how much was before the executive order (only a vague description about “the bulk of” his donations, 2) Look at what Perry actually said (“I raise about $30 million”) meaning he was talking about election cycles , so unless you can show that he received more than $5000 from Merck in the election cycle preceding the Gardisil order, he was not lying in context.

          I will grant you “don’t have a heart” comment was dumb. It was not, however, more offensive than Cain’s frequent use of the race card or Newt’s “right-wing social engineering.” comments. And the underlying policy makes sense, and only had 4 dissenting votes in the legislature. He also has done more to prevent people crossing the border than the other candidates on the stage combined, and unlike Newt and Mitt, has not supported amnesty. When you look at any of the other candidates, Perry’s record as to illegal immigration issues is as good as any of the current crop, not to say it is perfect, but there simply isn’t more of an immigration hawk among the frontrunners.

          • greyeagle

            Who disagree. I agree with your comments Gator.

        • pttx333

          So exactly who are you supporting? Would tha’t be b.o., ambulance chasers, Paul, Romney, etc.? Do you have any idea how pathetically lame, twisted and tiresome your post is to Perry supporters? Do you have any idea that you are a flat-out liar? Can you look in the mirror every morning without cringing at what you see?

          If you don’t want to vote for Perry, then DON’T. Simple, end of story! NO ONE has demanded that you do so or even asked for your opinion, so buzz off.

  • txpat

    Makes me want to puke.
    The talk about last night debate briefly, and they agree that Newt did well.
    I agree Newt did well, but nothing about how well Perry did.
    Instead they want to talk about his brain freeze debate from Wed night.
    It would kill them to be fair and at least acknowledge that he did great last night.
    They didn’t say anything about Mitty’s performance which I think was only fair.
    Instead it was Newt is Uncle Newt and this is his format. That his baggage may be reported in the press, and if there is any new baggage that will come out
    Now.
    so Fair and Balanced.
    They so want Romney to be the one.

    • center77

      They are some what fair. FOX knows Perry’s Record is strong and they’ve been in overdrive trying to destroy him. It got so bad it took him off his game. He was trying to live up to this false narritive of a good candidate and last night he just no longer cared. I watched the national journal video of him huddled with Rick santorum and Ron Paul and he was funny/humble/and comfortable in his shin. Those on Fox are not fair and balanced.

    • Scope

      talks nicer about Obama than they do Perry.

      I wish there was some way we could get a major protest against Fox going until they start treating Perry fairly. They don’t understand that they will have to cover him when he is the president.

    • gator_hoo

      Don’t forget that a fair amount of what we call the “conservative” media is actually more sympathetic to the establishment. Perry has pretty much been the most legitimate threat to Romney from the beginning, at least in terms of money and organization.

      Don’t expect Perry to get much love from Fox News or Ann Coulter or NRO or some of the other establishment types.

  • circlegranch

    One plan of action is underway. $975,000 worth of Perry ad’s are now running on Fox. I read a news piece about that yesterday that said, “it’s unprecedented for a candidate to spend this much money on network !” What else is unprecedented is Fox’s animosity toward a conservative candidate and for no reason. I think its a smart move. After spending that kind of money, perhaps the talking heads, hosts and usual contributors will give second thought before slamming him over the typical stuff they come up with. That same article said he was only advertising in the morning and daytime programming and not the very expensive night programmsing such as O’Reilly and Hannity, but last night right after the debate, one of his ads ran. I think this is a very well calculated decision to spend some money. He needs to change hearts and minds nationally as well as in the early states.

    The other thing that might help Fox hear our displeasure with the bias against Gov. Perry is for us to send emails to all the shows during the course of the day. Posting at Facebook about this might help also. Be respectful and try to use examples rather than vague criticism.

    I hear more and more conservatives saying they’re watching CNN almost exclusively and Fox may want to listen up.

    • iidvbii

      and no longer watch the O’Romney Factor. After the preacher made his “Mormon cult” comment both Hannity and O’riely reported the story as though Perry was present for the comments and had somehow endorsed them. This was a blatant misrepresentation of the facts. One can only conclude this was calculated to further the narrative started by the Washington Post story that Perry is bigoted and racist.

      Further Hannity proclaiming saint Cain somehow a conservative martyr and engaging in the very same distortion, bias and character assasination we saw from the liberal press during the Clinton scandals is revolting. I have lost all respect for Sean, coulter and Dick morris. I no longer feel I can trust their assertions without verification.

      What a sad commentator of our times…..

      • iidvbii

        Need an edit feature…

        :P

        • gator_hoo

          nt

  • kowalski

    That’s what Rick Perry did and I’m glad.

    It also looks like I might have to rethink Newt Gingrich this time around. Maybe the Statute of Limitations has run out for him after all.

    Romney of course did his usual A+ Student work. He’s always so impeccably well-prepared. That’s total teamwork happening right there.

    I’d be very happy with a choice between Perry, Romney, Gingrich. Not necessarily in that order but at least things are starting to focus.

    • kowalski

      And I do so only because I’m still worried the allegations against him aren’t just a David Axelrod hit job. We’ll see.

  • circlegranch

    is important now because they are sponsoring more debates. If they’re on notice from alot of viewers that we’re FED UP! with their bias against Gov. Perry, they may be willing to return to their Fair and Balanced mission statement. (Sorry to be replying to my own comment but forgot to put this last point in.)

    • avagreen

      Here’s a link to something I just posted,with an article.
      http://www.redstate.com/leon_h_wolf/2011/11/12/cbsnational-journal-debate-coveritlive/#comment-10083

  • superpatriot

    Definitely did better in debate last night. And honestly, I don’t think his mental block minute will be remembered too much longer.

    Most important thing is that we beat Obama next year. I think Perry has the resources to go all the way.

    Let’s all hope some of the small players, Cain included, start packing it up sooner than later.

    • Scope

      with his many words last night that were shallow and just words will start to show his supporters that there is no there there. It’s more than time to put away the harassment allegations, and to refocus on his lack of knowledge and seriousness to be the leader of the free world.

      If the debate sponsors would start to put some kind of limits on the participants, who go on stage because it is free air time for them, we could weed those with little to no chance out right away. Of course the left who is in charge of the most of the debates will never do that. They love the split between the conservatives, and it only helps Romney. Romney has little to no arguments against Obama. As our candidate, he almost guarantees our loss against Obama. Obama will have 4 years of national and world stage knowledge in the General debates, whether we agree with him or not. Romney can’t take it to him.

  • bzip

    Below is my e-mail I sent Fox news regarding their bias toward Perry. Please feel free to copy and pate it to send off yourself or use as a template. The more people that bring this to Fox’s attention the better we will be:
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    e-mail: fns@foxnews.com

    Dear Chris Wallace,

    In regards to your Fox News Sunday program that was aired on 11/13/11:

    Fox News prides itself on being fair and balanced. I would like to bring to your attention a specific example regarding your biased towards Governor Rick Perry but not limited to this show alone.

    During your Fox News Sunday panel segment your panel spoke highly of Mitt Romeny and Newt Gingrich performance in the Saturday 11/12/11 debate. There was no mention of Governor Rick Perry?s performance at this debate in spite of the fact the Governor Rick Perry had a highly praised debate performance. Even to the extent of actually driving the debate conversation with Governor Rick Perry?s ?Foreign Aid Budgets At Zero? proposal.

    Instead of discussing Governor Rick Perry much improved debate performance your panel decided to focus on Governor Rick Perry last debate performance on Wednesday. In addition Juan Williams of your panel failed to mention that Governor Rick Perry not only made the rounds for damage control in a humorous way but also gave a serious and excellent interview with Greta Van Susteren and others during his damage control.

    This is only one example of a continuing and ongoing biased that Fox news is displays towards Governor Rick Perry. I no longer consider Fox News fair and balanced after the continuing and ongoing biased towards Governor Rick Perry. I now receive my news elsewhere.

    Thank you.

    • Common_Cents

      There is much overlap between Gingrich and Perry.

      GINGRICH: I’ve been a strong supporter of international assistance, but I think there are a couple of good reasons to review the whole program. First of all, I would replace virtually all government to government aid with some kind of investment approach that encouraged American companies to create jobs that made both the US and the other country wealthier. Our bureaucrats giving their bureaucrats money is a guaranteed step towards corruption. Second, I think when you have countries that vote against you in the United Nations consistently you really have to ask yourself why are you giving them anything? We came out of World War II with the generosity that made perfect sense when we had 50 percent of the world economy. And it was a different world. And we need to understand how different it is.
      Source: 2011 GOP Google debate in Orlando FL , Sep 22, 2011

      • Scope

        Bachmann also claimed that Perry stole her flat tax plan. If Gingrich said it whenever, it obviously didn’t get much attention.

    • txpat

      Thanks for the template.
      I sent my email to fox.
      I hope they get the message.

      • changeforrickperry

        Primary News Sources Since Fox Became Romney Central:

        1. RedState
        2. Rush Limbaugh
        3. The Drudge Report
        4. The Telegraph (UK)
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        “Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill

        www.changeforrickperry.org

      • avagreen

        Neither is the email address for Hannity a working one. There are a few more as well.
        (I’ve been writing fox for months now.)

        Go to this link and just keep trying:
        http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,77538,00.html

        I usually send one email to as many as I can get on my address line, but the one that I sent that I got an answer back from Bret Baier was just one or two on the address line.

    • 1bunny

      the template. I used it as my base and added to it and also sent it to the Fox general email address. I wanted to get the news out to Fox that lots of people are unhappy and are leaving their unfair and unbalanced network. And no I didn’t use those exact word but I wanted to .

      • bzip

        That is great. I am glad it served as a template and you added to it also for txpat – good for you glad it help you.

        Anyone and everyone is welcome to use it as a starting point or as is. The main thing is to get Fox very familiar with our complaints on the Perry bias.

        It sure was nice seeing Perry in good form last night. I an so happy that he did so well last night.

  • carolynr

    I watched the debate and I really liked the way that Perry came off. From a woman’s point of view…he even looked more presidential…loved the suit. Guys…stop laughing…but he did have a very good looking suit.

    Given how polls are rated, I expect that Perry will fall in the polls after the brain freeze. There is a lag factor…so don’t get discouraged. This debate should pull him back up. However, because the MSM…and especially FOX, fed at the pig trough of personal destruction with regard to Perry, I think people will see how courageous his actions were after that. Not ONE…of those candidates would have done what he did. He pulled himself up by the bootstraps and soldiered on. I applaud that and it is the example a president should set. Everyone makes mistakes…but few admit it…or pick themselves up and continue the battle, i.e., George Washington at the Delaware.

    About the debates….Perry, even though he did not get the number of questions that Mitty got, I believe set the tone. Even Newt was agreeing with him. Now…for the others.
    Newt – Obviously is very intelligent and was very well versed on the topic. Still don’t know whether he’s an inside guy.
    Cain – Did not do well at all. He was always falling back on pat answers, i.e., I would talk to the generals.
    Romney – He stole some of Perry’s ideas from a previous debate! Energy independence for one. He is wrong when it comes to China. I am not a communist…however, we manipulate our currency also. That is the only reason we can compete on the world stage because we pay our UNION WORKERS too darn much money for the job they do…along with the perks. I just don’t like Romney…nothing I can bank on…too many different positions…just like Obama…AND HE LIKES BIG GOVERNMENT
    Bachmann – That woman drives me up the wall. Get out lady…please. All you do is regurgitate what we already know…Obama is a failure, we killed bin-Ladin…blah…blah. She repeated PAST FACTS not NEW VISIONS.
    Santorum – Another one like Bachmann. You are not going to be President. You just want to keep pouring money down the foreign aid sewer…especially with regard to Pakistan. They are terrorists…what else to you need to know. They are not secular…They believe in jihadism and you want to give them more money because it is complex! Quite frankly, Mr. Santorum, if you want to win the war of terrorism…drop some ricin down their tunnels into Afghanistan and you won’t have to worry about a thing.
    Paul – You don’t want to be involved with anything…and you want to talk to Iran. They say that the real dumb people are the ones that want to carry on a conversation with an insane person…say…like Ahmidinejah (sp).
    Perry was right…we missed our chance with Iran when the people were demonstrating…I don’t know which candidate stole that from Perry also…I think that was Cain.
    Oh…remember when Perry said rather succinctly that we could put an IMMEDIATE hurting on Iran by shutting down the Central Bank of Iran…WOW.
    Huntsman – Look…I’m Conservative. But he is more articulate that Romney. Knows his subjects and presents his view points well. He is a better counter-balance to Romney than Newt.

    All…and all…Perry had a great night and when he can appear even or ahead of Newt…HE DID A DARNED GOOD JOB.
    Gingrich is a good debater…but we are not looking for a debater…we are looking for a leader…and Newt has been spatial to put it mildly.

    • windwaker24

      I was just talking to my mother 5 minutes ago about it. I thought he looked very, very nice! ;)

      • changeforrickperry

        told me a few weeks ago “That’s one good-lookin’ man.” Needless to say, I didn’t disagree ;) ;) He looked really good last night, much better than the Giant Ken Doll.

        Wouldn’t it be nice to have an impressive-looking president? The kind who inspires respect just by looking at him? Even the Iranian president (I won’t even ATTEMPT to spell his name, so you’re a better woman than me, Miss Carolyn) might think twice before giving Perry a cross look.
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        “Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill

        www.changeforrickperry.org

    • cheetah2

      and I also loved the suit, the pretty blue tie, the french cuffs, and the cowboy boots.

      You are absolutely right. Perry is a leader. He is learning to use the so called debates to showcase that.

      I read somewhere Anita Perry’s description of his way of working in Texas. His people pile up all the information regarding a certain issue on his desk.
      He goes through all of it and then he makes a decision.

      Perry doesn’t spout facts because he looks at all the info and comes up with solutions and a plan, then he gives us that. He looks at the big picture not the details.

      • pttx333

        appearance, demeanor, etc. But, you’ll never guess what I am so drawn to – his VOICE. I love the sound of his voice and his laugh.

        I’ve always been then way – even to the old movie star heartthrobs back in the day. The “weenies” of today pale in comparison. While all of the other girls would be squealing over the latest “throb,” here I was still lingering over Gregory Peck because of his voice and general demeanor. Weird, huh. I’m probably the only female who thinks that way, but I’ve never claimed to be a clone or a “goer alonger.” LOL

        • cheetah2

          :)

        • changeforrickperry

          I LOVE Gregory Peck! You are NOT the only female who thinks that way. “To Kill a Mockingbird” is one of my favorite movies/books and Gregory Peck is wonderful in that film. Walter Pidgeon is good, too; he was in several movies with the lovely Greer Garson back in the 40′s. And I know what you mean about the latest heartthrobs. I say, “What heartthrobs?” Around here my sisters and I are constantly laughing about how “most girls go goofy over Justin Bieber and the Jonas Brothers–but WE like Ronald Reagan and Rick Perry. Go figure.” Think of it as appreciating manly men, and not giving girly-men a second thought (including but not limited to the Current Resident of 1600).
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          “Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill

          www.changeforrickperry.org

          • pttx333

            lies the difference! You recognize quality and substance of character over fluff and flash-in-the-pan types. The bottom line difference is what you prefer is a MAN, a gentleman in all respects.

            If there is any way you can watch an ancient move “Duel In the Sun” with Peck and Jennifer Jones, an old western, please do so. I wasn’t even a teenager when I saw it, but it remains in my memory to this day. THAT movie is what made him my choice for all these years. How’s that? Plus, he was married to the same womn all those years – how’s that for Hollyweird?

            The current occupant at OUR White House is the ultimate nerd/weenie/dweeb/sissy. I’ll swear he has lace on his drawers!

          • changeforrickperry

            in “To Kill a Mockingbird,” “Captain Horatio Hornblower,” “Moby Dick,” and “The Scarlet and the Black.” “Moby Dick” was so depressing because he played Captain Ahab–I had never seen him play the bad dude. “The Scarlet and the Black,” however, is a wonderful film; Peck plays an Irish priest at the Vatican who saves Jews and POWS from the Nazis. A true story, by the way; I love that movie.

            As I said above in reply to windwaker24 and carolynr, I’d love to see Perry take on the Iranian president. For all his faults, George W. was respected by the Middle Eastern rulers; so was Reagan. It’s what comes of having Christian cowboys for President–and that’s something the MSM will never understand. They’ll never understand that it was/is the core belief system of Reagan, Bush, and Perry that gives them courage and inspires respect in their enemies.
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            “Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill

            www.changeforrickperry.org

        • texasroots

          I, too, am drawn to his voice, his laugh, hair and of course his name, RICK PERRY. Seems like my worries melt when I hear Perry’s voice, see him smile.

          • pttx333

            the voice. The sound of it is comforting and makes one feel safe. Just my perception, but each one of us has our own. Maybe it falls back to infancy and childhood when you would be comforted by your parents and others who loved you … the voices would stay with you in some part of your memory bank.

          • cheetah2

            gorgeous! though he gets mocked for that. I am quite partial to the name Rick as that is my husbands name. It’s a strong name. we are really wallowing in it here!

          • changeforrickperry

            and Perrybots. Oh well, I guess we’ll just combat the accusations by continuing the get the good solid facts out there and save the admiration/adulation for conversations with each other :D
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            “Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill

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  • boonerdan

    Is Perry still running for President?

    • cheetah2

      have been greatly exagerated.

  • pttx333

    polite request, but … WOULD YA JUST PUT A SOCK IN IT????

    • changeforrickperry

      You certainly have a way with words when it comes to trolls. Thanks, by the way, for coming to my defense last night. Scope and I made up this evening :)

      While I’ve got your attention I wanted to share with you an article about Rick and Anita. I thought you’d like it.

      http://www.dallasnews.com/news/politics/perry-watch/headlines/20111112-perrys-marriage-a-private-affair-in-public-life.ece

      Not as good as the one about Perry’s parents, but there’s a pretty funny story in there about Perry dropping a steak into his lap. Anita’s reaction was priceless. Enjoy!
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      “Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill

      www.changeforrickperry.org

      • gator_hoo

        Is Romney still calling himself a Republican?

      • pttx333

        Thank you for that precious story of the Perrys. They are so cute and go together hand-in-glove. I met and visited with her for a few minutes about 4 years ago when she was out stumping for her husband and was so impressed. She is beautiful, kind, gracious, sweet, and a true LADY. They will be so perfect at 1600 and will be a shining light for all the world to see in this dismal time in history! They WILL go down in the history books. Phooey on Ken and Barbie – the real dolls are RICK and ANITA. Loved the steak story!! LOL

        Yeah, guess I get carried away with the trolls/morons, but I’m not going to argue with ‘em, just try to cut them down a peg or two – may 3″ tall or something. They are so pathetic!

      • texasroots

        I’m so glad you and Scope made up. I felt bad myself and was hoping it would not deter you from being on RS.

        • pttx333

          Scope is a dear, sweet lady with many large battle scars from being on RS ( ;-) ) – don’t ever forget that. When I first found RS, August I think, I was as confused and bewildered as the two of you. Scope so kindly and sweetly found me flopping around like a fish and led me through the maze. She’s a true winner, and so are the both of you. Don’t even worry about it – not one bit.

          • changeforrickperry

            and know from reading for months that she’s been through the wringer for Perry. After some of Perry’s more unfortunate debate performances, I’d hurry to RedState to see if she’d made any comments. So yes, I’m so glad she and I have been able to communicate a little in the past couple of days. Thanks for all the encouragement, pttx333. I’ve taken to calling you “Mrs. Texas” when relating our conversations to my family.
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            “Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill

            www.changeforrickperry.org

          • pttx333

            You can call me anything you want, just don’t call me late to supper, ;-) You don’t know how flattered I am that you would even mention me.

            Scope is one of the most approachable people here. Of course, she is very special to me in that she sought me out. In fact, I recall her saying (I think) that she had “talked” to me on another site somewhere, but I didn’t remember it. Boy, I had been on some sites that were so disgusting and then, for some reason, I saw the RS link and came here. Had never heard of it. Guess when Scope saw my handle (used it on other sites too), she recognized me because here she came. Now that is extra special. I was about to give up the wars, when all of these things came together – thank the Lord above. I can babble freely here without getting all of my hair yanked out! ;-)

          • changeforrickperry

            and you helped me. Sounds like a good deal ;) Of course I talk about you with my family. When I read your comment about President Zero having lace on his drawers, my mom cracked up laughing. My being on RedState has kinda been a big deal around here, especially since we’re always discussing politics: “Guess what Herman Cain did today?” or “What are they saying on RedState about the Eurozone?” or “You’ll be happy to know E. Erickson said this about Perry…”

            P.S. I heard via Twitter that Texas is getting some rain today. Praise the Lord!
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            www.changeforrickperry.org

          • pttx333

            That involves this: whenever you are helped by someone, the only way you can really repay that kindness is to help the next in-need-of-help person you see and on down the line. I live by that credo and believe it helps, even if in a tiny way, the world a little nicer place.

            Aren’t you just the sweetie discussing all these mess at RS with your family? I love it! Lordy, hope they don’t forbid you to talk to me with some of things I come up with to say! ;-) But, just like me, you are getting a totally free education like no other!

            Yep, 80% change of rain this afternoon and the radar looks like it is headed for a direct hit. LOVE IT! Love the rain, the thunder and just want to curl up and take a nap. And we sure do need it – as well as OK and parts of NM, AR, and I think a little of LA. At any rate, we will accept whatever we get and be grateful.

          • changeforrickperry

            I don’t have to go to a Government Indoctrination Unit (AKA mainstream university) to get a thorough education. The world is at my fingertips with the internet and correspondence courses. My parents give me assignments all the time (“Ron Paul said this about Rick Perry–go look it up and come back to us about it, quick!” “OK, Dad, Paul is just badmouthing Perry and here is why…don’t worry, Perry’s all good”) and I LOVE it. I think Rush was saying just recently how, if he’d completed his mainstream college education, he probably wouldn’t be a conservative talk show host.

            Enjoy that rain! We’re getting drizzles, too. I’ll be so excited when the cold weather sets in permanently. Can you believe it’s 9 days till Thanksgiving?
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            “Success is not final, failure is not fatal; it is the courage to continue that counts.”–Winston Churchill

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  • RealQuiet

    I would figure Perry is bound to get quite a bit of praise from those guys. We’ll see.

    • txpat

      will give kudos to Perry, but Hannity may skip mentioning anything about Perry’s great performance.
      I’m not feeling much love from Hannity these days.

      • izoneguy

        He moans and groans about all the taxes he pays living in New York…

        Why doesn’t he move to Texas like Glenn Beck?

        Hannity is now a New York elite and must fall in line to support Romney
        if he is to be invited to anymore parties in the Hamptons…..

        Besides, even after taxes he is probably pulling in 10 mil a year…

      • circlegranch

        and we can have a little fun by polishing up our crystal balls for today’s shows from the Big Talkers. Yes, Rush may give a bit of a nod to Perry but Hannity has to be incensed. He will ignore Perry and talk mostly about Cain and Newt. I dare venture a guess that he’ll trot out his reliable Perry basher, Dick Morris who will be on the radio today with Hannity (as both Newt and Cain likely will be) and tonight, either O’Reilly or Hannity will prop up Morris again so he can spin and slither his way around the facts of the Sat. night debate. These guys are getting so predictable, perhaps we are nearing our graduation from the School of Advanced Conservatism after all.

        All morning thus far, the cable networks keep talking about Perry’s drop in the polls PRIOR to Sat. night and they are running that stupid Sat. Night Live skit over and over so they must be getting a little uneasy that he’s making a comeback.

        Stay tuned. It should be an entertaining day! Somehow, though, Fox has to justify continuing to be disrespectful toward Perry and his check they just got for $975,000.00 or so to run ads. I hope he runs ads on Rush and Hannity and Levin’s shows too. That would be a hoot.

        Speaking of money, send some! A few hundred dollars can run a radio ad. Every dollar counts!

    • JSobieski

      Neither Levin nor Rush is shilling for Cain. They are simply focused (as they almost always are) on attacking the MSM media for hypocrisy/double standards. Since Cain has been getting the most attention from the MSM, talk radio has been focusing a lot on Cain and defending Cain.

      Had the MSM spent the last week attacking former Senatorial candidate Christine O’Donnell, Levin and Rush would have spent the majority of the week defending her.

      Its as simple as that.

      • pttx333

        there! That is my take on it.

  • changeforrickperry

    Just thought I’d peek over at HotAir to see how they’re handling Cain’s awful performance…hmm, no snide front-page remarks about HIM. Oh well. Anyway, they’ve got a new survey, so be sure to vote Perry all the way!

    And by the way, I voted for a hurricane named Lawn Gnome Reagan against Obama–figured it would do more damage in Washington than a simple lawn gnome. You’ll see what I mean ;)
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    • Scope

      The first question is “who won the Sat. foreign policy debate”? The winner so far- Herman Cain. Now that is really really funny.

      • retire05

        exactly what we complain about with Paul supporters. They are not spamming every poll they can find. It got so bad with Paul supporters that some have taken to leaving Paul off their polls.

      • retire05

        I voted in the RightScoop poll yesterday. Today, I tested it to see if I could vote again. I was able to not only vote again, I could vote more than once today by simply changing sites and then returning to RightScoop which allowed me to vote again.

        These internet polls are useless.

        • Scope

          that many of the current Cain supporters were former Paul supporters. They know that Paul has little chance, so with Cain now taking some libertarian positions, like abortion being a states issue, or a family’s issue to decide, they think that he is the next best thing. Didn’t Cain also say in the debate that it was not necessary to take military action in Iran? Since Block brought the Koch Bros. into the Cain camp, he has been doing some real flip floping. A few days ago he said that he would be excited to be the next Def. Sec., so that he can kick some butt. Just not against the country that needs it’s butt kicked more than any other, I guess.

          Hey, what can I say. 53% of the voters refused to believe that Obama was a socialist also.

          • retire05

            Paul supporters are nothing, if not loyal. They refused to vote in 2008 because their guy was not in the general election. Most of them are starry-eyed college kids and/or Alex Jones 9-11 truthers who see black helicopters hovering over their houses at night.

            The websites that I used to frequent where the people who posted there that were Palin supporters have all now jumped on the Cain Train. But they do have one thing in common with the Paulistas; radicalism. If you say anything about Cain that is not absolutely glowing, you will be viciously attacked. Foul name calling is not the exception.

            The Palin people just knew she would not disappoint them and would throw her hat in the ring. When that didn’t happen, they had to go with someone who was what they considered Palin to be, a minority (woman), an outsider (Alaska is a long way off), with little political history (short term as governor) and could give a rip-roaring speech and be able to throw red meat to the great unwashed masses. Cain fit their bill. He was the Palin alternative. It didn’t matter to them that Palin had a short record, and that they ignored some of her actions as governor that would have questioned her “conservative” cred, so it didn’t matter to them that Cain was the same only with no record at all.

            Palin, to them, said all the right things. Cain, to the former Palinistas, also says all the right things and they discount the stupid stuff he says with excuse after excuse.

            I was a big Palin fan in 2008. But somewhere along the way, she seems to change, acting more as a critic of those who were actually willing to put their lives in full view to run, and became no more than a pundit who didn’t put her money where her mouth is. And her connection to Bapol Coale was a real turnoff. Odd that Cain has now befriended Bapol Coale. Makes you go “Ummmmm????”

          • Scope

            Although I do believe that there is a segment of Paul supporters, not the die hards for sure, but some that recently jumped on his train, that got turned off by some of his positions, and jumped on the Cain train. Some of their posting habits/methods is just to similar to ignore.

            You are correct though that much of his support most likely is coming from the former Palinistas. You are most correct when you say that you couldn’t say boo about Palin, or you were jumped on. They see everyone who didn’t prefer Palin for the presidency, as being a part of the LSM that did all they could to discredit and destroy her. And yes, you cannot say boo about Cain now either. For the past few years Palin maintained support because of tweets or short facebook hits. There were/are certain words that have stuck to Palin such as Death-panels, Cross-hairs, blood-libel etc. With Cain it is 999. In other words, keep it simple stupid. In other words, too many are too stupid if you don’t keep it simple.

            I suspect that there is a good portion of Cainiacs who will be as loyal and as devoted to him as the Paul supporters are to him. It is comforting to know though that there is some sanity taking place in the polling, for whatever they are worth.

          • retire05

            And although polls seem no more fluid than they were this time in 2007, they are fluid.

            A surprising thing about the CBS poll (which is the only one I have looked at lately) is that on 10/24 all but 26% had picked a candidate. The latest poll, 11/10 the undecideds had increased to 32%. 6% became undecided in less than three weeks.

            While that is not yet a major shift, it shows that as each candidate, rises, then falls, voters are still searching for the one person they can back.

            I do think that, with time, Cain’s gal problems will hurt him. While he needs this scandal to go away and die, Gloria Allred is holding another presser today. And while she’s a bottom feeder, so is Lin Wood and Bopal Coale, one (Wood) Cain has openly hired, the other (Coale) seemingly operates in the shadows. And Mark Block, as recently as last Friday, I believe, was telling Stacy McCain (the Other McCain) that Rick Perry is behind the smear campaign. Now, I understand that Block felt secure in doing that with Stacy McCain (considering SMcC is squarely in the Cain camp) but sooner or later, Block is going to self destruct and take the Cain Train with him. The only reason he hasn’t yet is because all the “conservative” talking heads are backing Cain and ignoring Block.

            And don’t sell Allred short. She is out to take Cain down, and she didn’t get wealthy because she is stupid. Cain’s going to have a problem if Sharon Bialek demands to know how Cain was informed of her work history for the last 17 years. Remember, Block has his own history of campaign dirty tricks, DWIs and bankruptcy. Cain’s support of Block will certainly come back to bite Cain.

            As to the Paul supporters, they will continue to listen to Alex Jones, demand that 9-11 was an inside job and know in their hearts their phones are being tapped.

            As to Palin? Well, I liked her in 2008, but now, she is soooooo 2008.

          • pttx333

            are having! Sorry, but I just love to “eavesdrop,” HA

            I just heard Rush say (paraphrasing here) something along the lines of ” … Cain is going down in the polls … FINALLY.” I just knew he couldn’t let us down – he had a strategy going on!

      • changeforrickperry

        I’ll go see if voting is still open. As I’ve said before, I do NOT live or die by the polls. But hey, if someone wants to ask questions, I’m willing to answer!
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        • Scope

          I can’t put too much faith in the polls either, even the national ones. I’m sure you must have read Neil’s latest diary, where he points out that 3 different polling outfits today all have someone different at the top. I also agree with Neil that the Newt is going to come back down when the media gets a hold of his record. He has slapped the media in every debate and then some. They are about to “get even” with his trashing of them. Not that I trust the media either by the way.

  • romansdaughter

    I was just wat3ching Rick Perry being interviewed on the radio by Glenn Beck and Rick said some really good things—one was that he would end the lifetime appointments for federal judges; place a moratorium on new regulations since 2008 and cutting pay in Congress in half until they balance the budget. Sounds good to me but my question is doesn’t Congress have to approve that last one about cutting their pay in half and I can’t see Congress agreeing to that??? So how would he do that?