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In defense of Nikki Haley and the unforeseen poison pill her endorsement could be to Mitt Romney in South Carolina

I have seen a lot of consternation Nikki Haley’s endorsement of Mitt Romney has caused among conservatives.  Now all I am going to offer is my observations and insight on how this whole thing is playing out and could play out.  Of course, this could have been all orchestrated a long time ago by the Romney campaign.  This is politics after all.

Nikki Haley’s approval rating in South Carolina is currently at 34% overall, with garnering only 52% among Republicans!  Now, I have to admit, I don’t follow what has been happening in the state capitols of all 50 states.  Therefore I am quite unfamiliar with how or why Governor Haley is apparently so toxic right now in the great state of South Carolina.

Time To Pay The Piper

When Haley’s campaign was getting started and in the beginning stages of the primary fight, Mitt Romney was arguably her first big endorsement.  At the time, tea partiers, conservative bloggers including Redstate, had been behind Haley’s candidacy prior to Romney’s endorsement.  I remembered how pleased at least I was that Romney was the first to get behind a conservative candidate like Haley.  Romney donated quite a bit, directly or indirectly, to the Haley campaign.  This was a bold, yet shrewd move by Romney.  If Haley wound up winning the governorship, he would undoubtedly be in the best position to get her endorsement in a very important state in the GOP nomination fight for the presidential ticket.  This did end up happening.

So whether by returning the favor as an expression of gratitude and obligation or pre-orchestrated payback, Haley did what Sarah Palin did for John McCain’s re-election campaign last year in Arizona.  She loyally endorsed the person who had given her a boost onto the big stage.  I don’t see a problem with this on the surface.

However, Governor Haley may have unknowingly as a matter of misfortune become a very important pawn in Mitt Romney’s campaign.  As you have all noticed, Mitt Romney has been more than willing to keep his distance from the conservative bloc of the Republican Party.  His campaign strategy apparently is to adopt and hold to most moderate stances that he has had to hold onto to keep the moderate and independent voters.  To get the conservative voters, getting endorsements from people like Governor Haley and other prominent conservative figures seems to be the strategy here.  If Romney can accomplish this, he stands a very good chance of winning the nomination and beating Barack Obama.

An Unexpected Twist

However, the unforeseen factor, the poison pill, has taken on a very unexpected face.  Once again, Nikki Haley is quite unpopular in South Carolina nowadays.  Tea party groups in South Carolina feel betrayed:

Immediately after Haley announced her support Friday morning on “Fox and Friends,” her Facebook page lit up with accusations that the first-term governor was selling out her principles. Rush Limbaugh followed with a blistering broadside against her on his radio show Friday, leading a charge of conservatives nationally, in addition to locally, who accused her of selling out.

Tea party leaders in the state suggested that Haley will pay for Friday’s move with a primary in 2014 – provided she doesn’t win herself a spot on the ticket or another post in a Romney administration, as tea partiers and Republican operatives say must be the explanation for the decision.

“The overwhelming sense that I get from talking to people is deep betrayal,” said Karen Martin, the founder and organizer of the Spartanburg tea party, who has not endorsed a candidate. “She’s not going to be able to come back from this with the tea party. If there’s anybody credible who will run against her, I believe the tea party will support them whole-heartedly.”

Martin predicted that Haley will face trouble even before then in trying to push through a governing agenda that’s already put her at odds with her former colleagues in the GOP-controlled legislature.

“She’s just lost her credibility,” she said. “Anything that she tries to propose, most people in the past might not have looked too carefully at her, believing that she is a credible conservative. We’ve given her a pass on a few things, but that won’t happen any more.”

Limbaugh mocked the Haley endorsement, saying that it was more about her ambition than about conservative principles.

That last sentence uttered by Rush Limbaugh could have a point.  The Tea Party is strongly hinting at a primary challenge to Nikki Haley in 2014.  Her endorsement could have secondary motives given her unpopularity.  The voters, particularly conservatives, both Tea Party and non-Tea Party could deliver payback in a much more immediate way.  If a viable not-Romney conservative candidate wins Iowa, those voters could deliver a blistering rebuke of Haley by voting for that not-Romney candidate and likely end any covert ambitions she may have had of advancing up the political national ladder with the Republican establishment.  One thing I get from this is quite certain.  The Tea Party is going to do everything in their power to derail Mitt Romney from getting the nomination.  If they do this, Mitt Romney will be up against the wall momentum wise and be in a must-win situation when winner-takes-all Florida comes up soon after that.

Some of you from South Carolina are going to have to enlighten me on why the relationship between Nikki Haley and a GOP controlled legislature isn’t exactly cordial nowadays.  Why has Nikki Haley become so toxic?  I don’t know.  One thing is clear.  The Tea Party in South Carolina may make Nikki Haley look like a sacrificial pawn that yielded no benefit for the Romney campaign before all is said and done.

COMMENTS

  • http://edgeinducedcohesion.wordpress.com nathanalbright

    ….but our analysis seems to be a good one, both on the harm that endorsing Romney could do for Nikki Haley as well as Romney’s strategy of using endorsements to gain conservative support rather than appealing to conservatives himself personally. I don’t think that strategy will work, given the toxic political climate.

  • WA_Cowboy

    let’s see how this plays out. I would suspect that the biggest questions is how influential are tea partiers in SC. We’ll probably find out on the SC primary.

  • RealQuiet

    I am sure you have a good finger on the pulse of SC politics. Very curious to know how you see things down there.

    Nathanal and WA, you both make good points. The Tea Party was a BIG factor in getting Nikki Haley elected governor. Only getting a 52% approval rating among Republicans is an appalling number.

    • http://edgeinducedcohesion.wordpress.com nathanalbright

      But the name is Nathan. Albright is my last name :B.

      • RealQuiet

        It’s a little late but that was quite ignorant of me to make that name out :)

        • http://edgeinducedcohesion.wordpress.com nathanalbright

          For some reason a lot of people seem to make my name out that way. Not sure why.

          • MF

            Nathanial

          • http://edgeinducedcohesion.wordpress.com nathanalbright

            My father did want to name me Nathaniel, but my parents compromised on Nathan.

  • izoneguy
    • JSobieski

      “who the heck is she. . . a meesely governor. Doesn’t she realize that I worked in the Reagan administration 3 decades ago in the justice department?”

      Does Levin think he is the leader of the tea party? Levin’s political skills are not what I am looking for in a coalition builder, that is for sure. Levin seems determined to be the opposite of Reagan in personality, style, and temperment.

      Levin is an absolute @$$—one of the few people who is actually more annoying than Newt.

      If you want to move people, you can’t be a total #&$*!!!!!

      I say that being upset at Nikki Haley as well. Why can’t these folks at least stay quiet and withhold their endorsement?

      The only thing more annoying than Haley’s endorsement is Levin’s response to Haley’s endorsement.

      • Flagstaff

        He isn’t dumb, though. I don’t know what he was getting at, but I heard Rush’s diatribe and it made me sick by its small-minded approach. But how big is his audience?

        Since when does any kind of opinion uttered by a conservative politician (and I have no doubt about Haley’s conservatism) disqualify them from being treated civilly by the rest of us? Where does he get off, stating as fact that she made the endorsement in hopes of getting an appointment of some kind from Romney, essentially accusing her of selling her endorsement?

        I thought conservative Republicans were supposed to be free thinkers, not “mind-numbed robots” (whatever the H that means), able to come to our own conclusions. Do these so-called wise men think there will be no true conservatives who vote for Romney? What is a true conservative, anyway?

        If SC Tea Partiers keep their Tea Party objectives in mind, they will do the best they can. That might mean finding a better Governor than Nikki Haley, but it might also mean recognizing that she is the most honest, most conservative, most responsible Governor they’ve ever had and re-elect her. So what if she endorsed Mitt Romney? Is he not a viable candidate? Is he not Republican? If he is elected, so much the better for SC. If not, so what?

        Wake up, gamecocks, Nikki Haley isn’t the traitor. She’s just exercising her right to make a decision that is different from some of yours (but will be the same as that of many of you). If you want to find a traitor to conservatism, look closer to home.

        Incidentally, for those who have wanted Rush to make his own endorsement, I would say that he moved a step closer with that little monologue. It essentially removed Romney from the list of possibilities, if he hadn’t already made that clear. By Rush’s own words, the race is down to Romney, Gingrich, Perry, and Bachmann (and maybe Santorum), so whom do you think he’ll go for? We know it’ll have to be someone who is a “true conservative,” won’t we, because otherwise his endorsement would mean he was selling it for future favors, and according to Michelle Bachmann, she’s the only “true conservative” in the race.

  • izoneguy

    Newt, Romney & Paul don’t believe in the Tea Party….
    Any of these guys will try to destroy the Tea Party if given the chance.

    • RealQuiet

      The Tea Party voters are just pawns, a voting faction that they need and what they will give in return is just a few bones and that’s it. The corrupt and insular racket that they have up on Capitol Hill will stay in tact. Not so with Perry. He will make the lives of some of those high on the hog politicians quite miserable to say the least.

  • avgjo

    for endorsing Mitt (just like I’m steamed at West for selling out on the budget deal, Noem for ethanol, etc.), but we’ve got to maintain some perspective. Contrary to what Limbaugh says, she may honestly just think Romney is the most electable. I’ve noticed, many of these Tea Party types are intelligent, and they complicate their approach to politics. Instead of keeping it simple*, they start listening to the pundits **; you can know this by listening to their justification for doing stupid things like voting for Boner’s budget ‘deal’ etc. IF this observation is true, it betrays a serious ignorance of various things related to governance, like human nature, history, economics and legal consequences. I’m not at all advocating tolerating this stuff, and these people should have consequences. But I don’t think it’s fair to jump to conclusions about their motives.

    * Maintaining a perspective that says: The American people, having to live out the consequences of legislation, understand it profoundly better than the Beltway pundits, many of whom have never had a real job or business in their lives, and so we will do what they want, instead of following the conventional wisdom.

    ** Who, aside from lacking real-world experience in just about anything, are wrong so often, that only on American media outlets and in Washington, D.C. could they maintain any credibility whatsoever.

    • Flagstaff

      did so well. He has a sense of humor, which translates to “perspective.”

      I’d go further and add that life doesn’t just give us choices between right and wrong, between continuing old ways and replacing them with new ones. Sometimes the old ones are necessary and should be continued. Sometimes they should be gradually phased out, and sometimes stopped cold turkey. It isn’t always clear, and it isn’t always even possible to do what you want to do.

      This whole thing is making me re-think my approach to all these ideas. If the people I’ve been close to are ready to abandon a friend because she has a different opinion on which political candidate to support, maybe I’ve been close to the wrong kind of people myself. How’s that for black and white?

  • gawken

    There are two separate issues here: Haley’s unpopularity in the state, and the impact of her endorsement of Mitt.

    I am NO expert in SC GOP politics, but a few thing are obvious. While the SC GOP is conservative, it’s also dominated by the old boy network, and crony capitalism and attendant corruption has been rampant.

    I WOULD REMIND EVERYONE THAT UNTIL HALEY FORCED THE ISSUE, SC LEGISLATORS DIDN’T EVEN HAVE TO RECORD THEIR VOTES. IOW, A BILL PASSED, BUT VOTERS HAD NO WAY OF KNOWING HOW THEIR PARTICULAR STATE LEGISLATOR VOTED.

    So, there was, and still is, a lot that’s rotten in the state capital, and she’s making waves reforming the system.

    Now, about her endorsement of Mittens:

    I believe it was midsummer that Haley said that IF she made an endorsement it wouldn’t be until just before the SC primary. She said that she didn’t want to influence the process..she wanted SC to be welcome to ALL the GOP candidates..that they would feel that everyone had a chance to mak their case to the voters. Indeed, DeMint took the same path shortly after.

    OK, so now she endorses Mitt. The questions are why him, and more importantly, why now?

    The first is easy. She owes him one. He was the first NAME GOP pol to support her candidacy, when she was view as having no chance. Gotta give Mitt props for that. So, she’s repaying the favor. And it’s nice to see that there is still some sense of honor among pols.

    But why NOW..why did she go back on her pledge to wait until just before the vote. Well,..here’s a theory. She believes that Mitt is gonna lose..indeed he could well be out of the race after NH.

    The polls are all over the place, and changing daily. Mitt could win Iowa, or finish 4th. Mitt won’t have a majority in NH ( kind of sad for an all-but favorite son) and if he wins, it’ll be with a scant plurality, and he could very well lose the race..which would just about end his candidacy.

    So instead of waiting until after the NH primary, Haley endorses now. It’ll be big nws for 48 hours, but then will disappear as we get closewr to Iowa and NH..and her endorsement won’t have any impact on Iowa or NH voters.

    And after a 3rd or 4th palce finish in Iowa, and at best a close win in NH..Mitt wil be toast. When he sees polls showing him 34d of 4th in both SC and FL, he drops out..

    And then Haley’s a free agent…

    All that talk about primarying her in 2014…ain’t gonna happen..hey, do you think that SC Republicans would rather toss her out, or Lindsay Graham? At least two of SC’s congressmen are seriously weighing running against Graham..indeed, I suspect that he will retire rather than face a primary.

    99.99% of Red Staters adore Jim DeMint…We’d follow him anywheres, and if we had our druthers, would love to see him as our candidate for the WH. Yet DeMint endorsed Mitt in 2008. So, shall we hang him in effigy? draw and quarter him?..So, let’s cu Haley the same slack. It’s NO BIG DEAL…

    Haley’s doing a superb job as governor, and if the GOP manages to snatch defeat from the jaws of victory, and lose the WH next year, Haley will immediately jump to the short list of possibles for 2016, along with Rubio and Ryan, among others..

    • Flagstaff

      Only thing is that Mitt has enough money to continue way past the SC primary. Other than that, I like it, because I really like Nikki Haley and I wish she lived in Arizona.

      Tea Partiers, wake up! You love Sarah Palin? Nikki Haley is a far better candidate and every bit as good a Governor as Palin. If Michelle Bachmann were Nikki Haley, she really would have a chance to win.

  • Scope

    No matter where Romney places in Iowa and NH he will not be exiting the race if he doesn’t do well. The total number of delegates that can be gained if someone wins all 4 of the early states, Iowa, NH, SC and Fla is 115. In order to win the nomination a candidate has to gain something like 1144 delegates, and 115 are a drop in the bucket in getting to the magic number. Romney has the money to stay in the race all the way until the end if that is what he chooses. There is no possible way that Romney gets out before SC.

    If Romney manages to win the nomination, and then loses to Obama, which many believe to be a big possibility, that makes Haley a pariah in the Republican party for helping to put a widely reviled candidate at the top.

    The creation of the Tea Parties in 09 was in response to an out of control big government, big spending debacle in Washington. Romney has never even tried to gain their support, and is in effect everything they are against. For Haley to endorse this snake in the grass either destroys everything the Tea Parties were all about, or destroys Haley as a Tea Party leader. I suspect it will be closer to the latter.

    • Scope

      n/t

      • acat

        conservatives .. but right now, there’s enough supposedly “true conservatives” – one in every flavor, it seems – staying in the race … that Romney can win just by not quitting until California and New York vote…

        Once again, the establishment types have all fallen in behind one candidate, conservatives – as usual – are all over the place, and will be defeated in detail.

        Mew

        • clowngirl

          Though I’m hoping you’re wrong about the ultimate outcome.

          Would be nice if there was first a race for the Romney alternative who he’d then have to face one on one ( not that there’s any real way of doing that..)

          Presumably the field will narrow after Iowa and New Hampshire – dropping down to 4 candidates. So Romney will at least need more than 25% to win – and if another candidate starts winning consistently he’ll likely drop to the teens (as we saw when Newt’s support was spiking.

          Why are some states winner take all and some proportional? Seems like they should all be one or the other.

          • Flagstaff

            hurts Romney.

    • retire05

      I heard on Fox, in passing, that the early primary states will have to allot their delegates to equal the primary outcome (i.e. Iowa gives Gingrich 35%, Romney 25%, Paul and Perry 15% each and so forth) so Gingrich will garner 35% of the delegates. But that in the Super Tuesday primaries, it will be winner take all.

      If that is the case, the nominee will not be determined until Super Tuesday, or later.

      • Scope

        NH, SC and Fla. will lose half their delegates because they moved the primary dates into Jan. Iowa is not included because it is a caucus state. The proportional distribution affects every state primary through April 1. After that there can be winner take all states if they choose to do so. Texas I believe is a winner take all state because your primary is so late, same with NY and CA, unfortunately. I would never propose that I understand the delegate allocation schedule, but either ava or circle was nice enough to provide the 2010 Detailed Delegate Allocation schedule-

        a href=”http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/R-Alloc.phtml”> The Green Papers

        If you understand it, please will you give us an example of how it will work? Say Iowa has 100,000 GOP caucus goers. What percent of the delegates would be apportioned between the first three winners? Is it possible to do that?

        • Scope

          number of 115 was from Larry Sabato (LOL) who was talking on Fox one day saying that in the first 4 early states that they are only worth 115 delegates, which all but insures that the primary season will most likely be long and drawn out. Because there are so few delegates given in the early states, all of the candidates can stay in if they have the funding to stay in.

        • SoFiMil

          Is partial-credit awarded by Red State …or is it winner-take all? : )

        • Scope

          <a href="http://www.thegreenpapers.com/P12/R-Alloc.phtml". The Green papers

          I prefer to provide links that are readily clickable.

      • SoFiMil

        While I agree that the results of early states theoretically shouldn’t matter, it either never works that way because of momentum, or most candidates on both sides of the aisle don’t test the conventional wisdom. Rudy was the only one that I know that tried this approach by not actively competing until Florida. Turned out to be the wrong decision. Still, if the reasonable man would not be so influenced by others, the early small delegate states don’t matter one wit.

        Here’s an article on winner-take-all states vs. proportional states, including penalties for states that moved their primaries up. There again, the penalty in theory is serious, but in reality I think not at all.

        http://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Latest-News-Wires/2011/1213/Mitt-Romney-vs.-Newt-Gingrich-Why-delegate-count-will-be-close-through-April?cmpid=addthis_mailto#.TuzXs9v6hIU.mailto

        • Scope

          that Preibus said that he won’t be able to change the early state penalties because they are in the RNC rules and cannot be changed. I take him at his word because of what Fla. did to throw the whole schedule into a tailspin. I personally don’t disagree with what Fla did in moving up, as the RNC seems to be tone deaf with seemingly the majority wanting to make the primaries more fair for all states rather than giving the advantage to Iowa and NH every election season.

      • carolina

        Maybe that is a good thing this year, with so many candidates? All candidates will have some delegates at the convention. There is going to be a lot of wheeling and dealing ……..

      • carolina

        Maybe that is a good thing this year, with so many candidates? All candidates will have some delegates at the convention. There is going to be a lot of wheeling and dealing ……..

  • texashistorian

    I heard that too- I might not have it 100%, but I believe those are the new RNC rules for early primary states, that their delegates are proportional. But the later states are not under that obligation, so I believe you are correct and that super tuesday will really be a super tuesday as its intended to be, or close to it.

  • carolynr

    Got a call from Jenny Beth Martin…TP Patriots…she wants me in on a conference call to select from…READY…Romney, Gingrich or Bachmann. No mention of Perry at all. Anybody got any pull with this organization. I wrote her back…no more $$ until you consider Perry.

    Meanwhile…back to SC. I blogged on The State…their big paper. There is nobody…and I mean nobody that agrees with what she has done. They are PO’d and they want her gone. Like I said in some of my other threads…Romney is dangling the VP slot in front of Bachmann and letting her be his pit bull…meanwhile…he bought and paid for Nikki. Let’s see…do we see a pattern of behavior similar to Obama…I would say so…CORRUPT.

    • Scope

      is that Ron Paul isn’t one of their choices. As far as I’m concerned, the Tea Party people are all but dead and useless. I wondered if the media was just ignoring the Tea Party so-called leaders, or if they had just gone mum. Remember when Dick Armey from Freedomworks was going to go on an all out campaign against Romney? What happened with that? Never heard of anything from him since. If you look at the latest polling on how many consider themselves a part of the Tea Party, the numbers are way down. Even those that say they support the idea of the Tea Party is way down last I checked. I believe someone here posted that attendance at her Tea Party rallies or meetings was way down mainly because of the split of so many between all the candidates. There was no consensus candidate.

      Another question. I thought that the Tea Party groups were not allowed to endorse because of their tax status. I have also seen many Tea Party groups that won’t even say they are strictly Republicans, but are non-partisan.

      As an aside, I read that Mark Meckler, of Tea Party Patriots, was arrested at an airport for showing up with a gun. The TSA arrested him.

      • carolynr

        Before the TPM was even a thought…Rick Perry was an example of what they wanted.

        This was the same with Wayin and the Fox Debate…Gingrich, Romney or Paul…or “none of the above”. What’s going on here. If it is not evident that even the TPM has abandoned their own principles.

        Here’s the real tragedy…If they vote for WILLARD….he plans to “replace” Obamacare. When I first got on this site…I read a piece in one of the papers about this. Last night on Fox (Greta) he said it again. I DO NOT WANT FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HEALTHCARE.

        So…while everyone was making fun of Perry about the part in the book Romney took out…there was a reason for that…and like a rotten piece of fruit oozing from decay…drips and drips will come out concerning Romneycare and his plan. He’ll have a counter to Obama…if he wins the nomination..and once elected (I hope not)…we get the SOS again.

        • izoneguy

          Many of them feel that Rick Perry “stole” were momentum….

          Well folks – Palin is not running – Perry is the candidate that is closer to Tea Party values then Romney or Newt.

        • Carol Tarasewicz

          carolynr-
          do you have a link that show Romeny has plans for replace Obamacare? I live in MA and suffer consequences from Romneycare. Thank you.
          Carol

          • 1bunny

            and repeal and replace the bad parts.

            http://youtu.be/XI5JjBHq8_0

          • 1bunny

            Romney video

          • circlegranch

            Is anybody else wondering why this story stays below the radar? The actions taken by Romney and his staff in ’07 were essentially illegal because MA law hasn’t been revised to include electronic information but its been called ‘unusual’ and ‘unprecedented’ in the Reuters article:
            www:reuters.com/article/2011/12/06/us-usa-campaign-romney-computers-idUSTRE7B500X20111206/

            It is unclear what was erased and what the hard drives that his staff purchased contain. Reuters also reports that Romney maintains that paper records are not subject to public disclosure.

            No curiousity; no questions asked at debates or interviews. Nobody cares?

          • circlegranch

            I wrote, “The actions taken by Romney and his staff were essentially illegal…” TYPO! My apologies. I meant to write ‘legal’. Their actions were essentially LEGAL. Again, sorry.

          • circlegranch

            Dec 17-18 edition, written by Alicia Mundy, Sect A, Page 5

            Apparently, the Romney’s held about $1.5 million worth of Chinese investments up until this past August, right before he started campaigning on how tough we should get with China regarding trade issues.

          • romansdaughter

            How come all of a sudden there are all these endorsements for Mitt Romney? Is he getting afraid he won’t do so well in Iowa? Just thinking out loud and wondered if you knew anything about it?? ( guess in the last polls Newt was ahead of him and maybe Ron Paul?? Not that I pay much attention to polls.

          • circlegranch

            as they are circling the wagons and calling in the markers–and there are many markers as I’ve shared here before regarding his PAC contributions to campaigns in ’10. I’m sure Newt gave them a scare and thus they’ve drawn the knives on him and started calling people for help to change the subject from Newt’s rise and Perry’s momentum in IA back to Mitt “It Had to Be You” Romney.

            IA was never a race Romney probably figured he’d win; it usually goes to the most conservative Christian candidate but everybody wants SC. Presidents are chosen there. Newt was closing in so the phone call was made to Nikki Haley to return the favor of the $42,000 she was the beneficiary of before things got out of hand. I thought Mitt seemed suspiciously smug at the Fox debate. He stood there like the cat that swallowed the canary, hands calmly folded on his podium. Now we know he knew Haley’s endorsement was coming, then the SEC initiates an investigation against former Fannie/Freddie people, oddly just the day after Bachmann (a.k.a., Romney Veep hopeful) tries to eviserate Newt on the subject.

            The stories reported here upthread and others get little press–can you imagine if these were attached to Perry?

            The GOP establishment is determined to get Romney this nomination and it appears all stops are being pulled out in order for that to happen. Sadly, people we once trusted and worked so hard for, such as Haley, are bailing on principles in exchange for promises of plenty of campaign financing and high appointments if they come onboard and start playing nice. Once IA is done, we should hopefully have a better idea of where things are headed.

            Early this a.m. I read a news blurb about how Limbaugh and Levin had really gone after Nikki Haley but that until those powerful voices do more than take jabs at Romney and actually come out and endorse an anti-Romney candidate, they are not slowing his momentum very much. I think Cain was their man and whether or not they latch on to somebody else or not isn’t clear but I have to agree…if Romney’s to be stopped, big voices in high places have to resonate a vote of confidence for Perry, Santorum or Bachmann. Reports have been out there for weeks that Bachmann’s broke yet she keeps on which entertains the suggestion that she’s got a promise from Romney that he’ll pay her debt if she hangs in there and takes out his opponents, one by one. She’s a one-woman Whack a Mole hammer. When they stick their heads up, its her job to smack ‘em down hard. Santorum’s momentum, or lack thereof in IA is about to be realized. If he doesn’t do well, he’ll surely have to bow out. Perry’s still the money man and if he finishes well in IA, the checkbooks will open wide togive him a push. Newt’s lack of ground game organization is apparent as its reported that instead of making alot of personal campaign stops this weekend in IA, he’s doing conference calls. Besides the fact Newt doesn’t seem like the type of candidate willing to bounce around on a bus on rural roads and making stops to meet small groups, the conference calls point to a weak organization.

            Just some thoughts and ramblings since you asked. Not looking good for Tebow right now, but back to the game….he is the 4th quarter man.

          • westcoastpatriette

            and other conservatives in the race.

            http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/gingrich-christian-endorsement-evangelical/2011/12/18/id/421348

          • romansdaughter

            Wow politics fascinates and repels me. It just sounds so dishonest and corrupt. Yeah but don’t lose heart, I don’t think the TP in SC were thrilled with Nikki Haley on that endorsement and I have a feeling it is not going to be good for her or Mitt.

          • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

            that veterans in South Carolina decided their primary for John McCain. He was a veteran, they appreciated a veteran. Now, Perry has made great inroads with veterans. He’s a veteran, they appreciate veterans. See where I’m going? Perry has a great chance in South Carolina for more than just this reason. He’s Southern, he’s straightforward, and he has bagoodles of money. You mentioned South Carolina, so I thought I’d share that tidbit Scope and I discussed yesterday.

            Kept up with the Broncos game during a Christmas concert; my brother and I bent over his Windows phone and peeked at ESPN every once in a while. I feel sorry for Tebow, but I have NO DOUBT he will make up for this game tenfold. I’m looking forward to seeing how both he and Perry react to it.

      • Flagstaff

        Another question. I thought that the Tea Party groups were not allowed to endorse because of their tax status. I have also seen many Tea Party groups that won?t even say they are strictly Republicans, but are non-partisan.

        Some are set up as non-profit educational organizations. Being basically honest, they don’t try to get around it like the Democrats do. If they want to get partisan, they have to create a separate organization.

        As long as the Tea Party in general stays for smaller government, fiscal sanity, and free markets, they are coherent. When they start endorsing candidates, who are always going to have to make some compromises from purity, they end up muddying their own message. Sometimes they muddy it by getting all bent out of shape about individual acts that politicians do, ascribing ulterior motives to almost anything. As in, if SC Tea Partiers don’t think Haley should endorse Romney, she has been “bought and paid for,” rather than exercising free will and judgment.

  • Common_Cents

    wondering what impact the Haley endorsement will have.

    • carolynr

      That is what will happen. It will give creditability to their insults…because THE WOMAN WAS BOUGHT AND PAID FOR. What I wonder is…when Bachmann was running for re-election…how much did Romney give her.

      • carolynr

        nt

        • Scope

          How much is he paying her to remain in the race now? If she doesn’t do well in Iowa, like first or second, and stays in the race, she is being paid to stay in the race.

          • http://redmerrimack.blogspot.com/ charliebravoNH

            http://www.gencourt.state.nh.us/rsa/html/LXIII/655/655-31.htm

            http://www.sos.nh.gov/Republican%20ballot.pdf

            In NH it is against the law for a candidate in a Primary election to act as a “Straw Candidate”. So those of you who claim that Bachmann is being or going to bankrolled by Romney better start digging through the FEC filings now looking for proof. If proved to be a Straw candidate she could be removed from the ballot in NH.

            What does this have to do with NH? Everything with 24/7 TV.

      • lineholder

        The left is going to be using everything they can against us anyway. And what they can’t generate out of facts, they’ll make up to fit their narrative in any way that they choose.

        How we respond to it could alter the context of how it is perceived by the general public. Are they right in what they say about us? Or are they wrong? If we believe they’re wrong, then we just focus on proving them wrong rather than letting the comments they make dictate the situation or the outcomes.

    • lineholder

      I grew up in SC, and it’s change a bit since then, but there is still a very strong Conservative vein of people in the state.

      I’d say those that consider themselves to be Conservatives who might have been looking at Romney definitely will consider looking elsewhere. It may or may not be Newt, though.

    • carolynr

      No doubt. Go online and read the blogs from The State…and see how popular both Haley and Romney are. There wasn’t one positive remark last night.

      • Scope

        that Newt’s support galvanizes if he does well in Iowa and NH. If he keeps dropping in the polls, like he did a point a day for 10 days, he will not do well in Iowa. Newt doesn’t have the money to remain in the race after Iowa if he doesn’t win.

        Newt isn’t even trying to win in Iowa. He is in VA today, and isn’t even planning to go back to Iowa until the 27th. He’s on a book signing binge today for his wife’s childrens book.

        • gracie

          He either thinks he will win because of earlier polls plus his debate performance, i e ego. Or he is giving up Iowa already? which means he is not really after the Presidency after all?

          Can you help me here?

          I am so sick and —- tired of Perry getting ignored…the media, and now the Tea Parties. I know you all are too. What if he does do well in Iowa…will conservatives and Tea Partiers CONTINUE to ignore him??

          And carolynr it is the same here in Texas. This primary season has sapped the energy out of our Tea Party…we rarely meet anymore. We all disagree on the best candidate but the feeling is we will come back together when we have one. The only sure thing is nobody is for Romney.

          Here is what I really don’t get:: now that Perry is doing well and Newt’s problems are coming to the fore people are afraid to support Perry just because they think he cannot win! Thanks Fox and Rush, Sean and Levin!! and Haley and all the establishment Pubs. You outsmarted yourselves.

          And I don’t really think Romney can win in the south. I cannot tell you the number of fundamentalists I know who will stay home….it is a matter of principle with them. SO we have exposed Newt’s problems only to end up with Romney who might very well lose?!

          • Scope

            I never believed that Gingrich thought he would ever become a serious contender in the primaries. I think he just wanted to remind people that he was still around so he could increase his book sales, and his speaking engagements. Didn’t he say that he didn’t need the money he was paid by Freddie because he was making plenty of money on book sales, and he was charging $60,000 per speech? More than anyone else, Newt knows exactly what baggage he is lugging around, and he knows that with the web he can’t hide anything from his past.

            Remember he was already in the race when Bachmann had her surge, then Perry had his surge, and then Cain had his surge. He was very much a part of the same debates that Cain participated in, where many saw Cain as so lovable and genuine. Why didn’t Gingrich gain traction early on, before the others did? I don’t honestly think that Gingrich was even actively campaigning. Do you remember him on many TV shows being interviewed. Do you remember any media/reporters following him around recording his campaign stops? I don’t think he had any. Now today, he is here in VA, at a book signing event, trying to pimp his wife Callista’s childrens book. What does that have to do with his campaign? Nothing that I know of. Didn’t so many have a problem when Cain was going to take a month off to go on a book signing tour? Wasn’t he considered to be undisciplined for that decision. Remember both Cain and Newt are their own campaign managers, and refuse to take advice from any advisers and/or staff.

            Gingrich was leading in the polls in most if not all Iowa polls. Over the last week or so, Gingrich’s support is falling in Iowa as more and more people get a chance to look further into his record. There is a lot of negative advertising going on in Iowa to point out his negatives. Gingrich knows that his support is soft, as is the support of all candidates in Iowa with more than 50% saying they can still change their minds. Now a recent poll has Romney leading him, as more people question Gingrich. I believe that he knows that he can crash just as quickly as the former frontrunners did. He is not wasting his time or money in Iowa as he has no money or organization to compete actively in Iowa, or to even fight the negativity. I don’t believe that Newt has money to compete beyond Iowa.

            As big as Newt’s ego is, I think he knows that his chances of winning the nom. just based on being up in the polls, but with no ground game, are built into his calculations. He, and Callista are making more money with promoting her book, which is where he said they derive a juicy source of income.

            In short, I think Newt knows that he will not be the nominee, and he isn’t going to go into hock trying to get there. He’s lucky he is where he is as he has been barely able to pay off his early campaign debts. Then again, there’s always Mitt to help him with his debts, and a possible cabinet position.

          • gracie

            on debts instead of seriously working for the nomination.

            Yes I knew he was doing that but had no idea until you said that he is not even campaigning. What a sham. I know lots of people here who think he is our last best chance; they are counting on him!

            This primary is disgusting. Appears Romney is paying people to be in or out (by paying their debt…Cain, Bachmann, Pawlenty? and then paying people for their support…Haley)

            WHO in their right mind would want that kind of person for President??

            Agree with you…it’s kind of like it’s just Newt’s turn so he is not even taking it seriously. Hope the people of not just Iowa but SC and Florida get his number.

            So Newt is taking money and not campaigning; the conservative media has deserted us; no one will give the only conservative a chance. I mean Laura Ingraham supported Romney in ’08 (hey, so did I) but what is the excuse for now? He does not represent what she believes in.

            So the fix is in for Romney and religious people I know in NC and MS and here in Texas do NOT plan to vote for him. I get it why the establishment wants him but for the life of me, not the conservatives.

            Rick Perry has a mountain to climb with practically no help! You gotta admire him!!

          • Scope

            and look at EE’s diary where he said that by Cain not ending his campaign, but only suspending it, that qualifies him for matching funds. Yes, that is taxpayer matching funds if I am not mistaken. Cain clearly stated only days ago with Hannity I believe, that he has absolutely no intention of ever getting back into the race, because the attacks would start again, so he remains in a suspended campaign position, qualified for matching funds. If Gingrich doesn’t go anywhere, and suspends his campaign, he too is qualified for matching funds. Isn’t there something very seriously wrong with the way campaigns are funded, which I naively belived was supposed to be by collecting donations from those that support you. Apparently, not so much.

          • gracie

            :(

  • Tbone

    Turns out she had a price tag on her hat.

  • RealQuiet

    http://caucuses.desmoinesregister.com/2011/12/17/23902/

    Romney has had a good run in the last 48 hours I have to admit

    • bzip

      I guess I am not too surprised. Everyone is lining up to try and ensure a Romney victory. If about 70-80% of the voters don’t want Romney you would think someone would get the message, oh well.

      Do they think it will really change any minds, I don’t think so but it only makes them look bad just like Nikki’s endorsement.

      • RealQuiet

        And he placed 4th. I would take their endorsement speculatively in this instance. However, the Romney campaign is no doubt wanting to generate some momentum in Iowa and South Carolina before the holidays.

    • sunshinek67

      I don’t think either of Romney’s high profile endorsements in the last two days are going to do anything for his candidacy. Haley’s was a 2010 campaign payback and DMR is a left leaning paper worthy of housetraining a puppy on.

      I said it yesterday, having veterans and medal recipients endorsing Perry brings so much more honor and credibility to the process

  • carolynr

    Gingrich….My little piggie whose house was made out of straw…better change plans to KO Romney…and quickly. His opening is now, what does he do….take the weekend off. I am not a gingrich fan…I am for Perry…however, if Gingrich can get his ideas into the media…trash the leftist, romney, we can get rid of Bachmann and Romney at the same time.

    Does anyone realize that Romney is NO DIFFERENT than Obama. People have to look at his record.

    Time to write my Perry contact…He needs to get into SC and get some remarks going on about Romney….Perry seems to be the only one that can get him ruffled. Without his pitbull there to protect his “polished” appearance (Bachmann)…Gingrich and Perry ought to be able to do him in. He will not win in SC. However…be very wary of FL. Romney HAS NO PLAN TO SAVE SS and has spread lies about Perry taking it away from seniors in Nevada. Like I said…Obama all over again.

  • neukm

    I know my contributions are miniscule compared to most everyone else, especially here, but stuff like this makes it feel like there is no hope. Especially after ranting to family, friends and business associates to the point of developing a reputation. Then, someone who could be looked to as “one of us” and thought of as a rising star, offers a sucker punch like this. Are ANY of these people trustworthy??