Stunning results in early voting in California. Smile redstaters


California has begun early voting already as well as mail-in balloting. The number of people who have gone in to vote in person has been extensive. The results so far prove what we had always suspected. The polls are being proven as totally unreliable. Although the results of early balloting have not been disclosed,of course,how many Republicans and how many Democrats have voted has been revealed.

The results are simply shocking. The polls showed Barack Obama with an 18 point lead in California just a few days ago. The results thus far are the complete opposite. In the most liberal state in the entire country,the results are that 99,000 Republicans have voted and 96,000 Democrats voted. In the mail-in balloting the results so far are that 9,000 Democrats sent in their ballots and that 5,000 Republicans did so. So with nearly 210,000 people having voted,the Democrats have only a 1,000 vote advantage !

If we take the liberty of assuming that all Republicans will vote for John McCain and all Democrats will vote for Obama,then the race is incredibly close. I’m sure that Obama will eventually win in California,but if he is struggling here after he pushed so hard for early voting,then he will lose the election ! Everybody thought he would win California in a landslide,but so far anyway,it’s very tight. That means that in the less liberal states he is in real trouble.

Ignore the pundits. Forget the polls. Get out there and vote for John McCain. The results in California show the wisdom of Yogi Berra who said, “It’s not over until it’s over.”

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Gallup

pwest Sunday, October 26th at 2:11PM EDT (link)

reported that early voting is about 50/50 and this seems to prove it. If early voting is any indidcation, then this election is all about Turn out!

So Turn out, Turn out, Turn out!

And for the love of Pete, stop reading and listnening to these stupid polls. The only thing you need to know about the polls is that Sen. Obama is making a 30 min appeal this week; that means his staff believes he still needs to close the deal. He may yet if we don’t turn out, turn out, turn out!

Pam

 

Link?

I was previously Tlaloc, and I was banned last year. Sunday, October 26th at 2:15PM EDT (link)
 

Unfortunately...

Arturo Sunday, October 26th at 2:59PM EDT (link)

This is a myth that keeps being repeated on here. Republicans traditionally have a large edge in early voting and absentee ballot requests. The fact that it is nearly 50/50 is not a good sign for Republican turnout.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-earlyvoting25-2008oct25,0,2944747.story

Unless I’m wrong and someone wants to look at the actual numbers of previous elections by state? This was the only reference I can find, and unfortunately it’s not a good one.

What myth?

Rod_Patrick Sunday, October 26th at 3:19PM EDT (link)

LA Times who kept saying that it is fair and neutral until it endorsed Obama?

The point of the diary is this:

The major pollsters’s assumption that the Republican Party is now a minority (30-25 percent of total voters) IS A FARCE.

That's not what I'm saying...

Arturo Sunday, October 26th at 5:15PM EDT (link)

This has nothing to do with the LA Times. The myth that I’m talking about is the idea that running even in early voting and absentee ballot requests is good for Republicans. This is not true.

Republicans typically do much better than Democrats in early voting and absentee ballot requests. If Ds and Rs are running about even, that’s not good news for Republicans, that is my point.

Now, if you’re sure that this is not the historical case, please do let me know. I linked to the LA Times because that’s the only mention I am seeing. Do you have numbers that say otherwise?

Link

redalert Sunday, October 26th at 5:15PM EDT (link)

Sorry. I have minimal computer skills so I can’t get you directly to the site. I will post the date tomorrow. It is from an article in the San Francisco Chronicle. They site on the web is sfgate.com. It’s from the past few days. I’ve spent more than an hour looking for it today,but haven’t found it yet. On a related topic which I did find on sfgate dated October 21,the numbers in Florida are 295,000 Republicans have cast absentee ballots and 199,000 Democrats have done so. That article is entitled “Obama urges his Florida backers to vote early”.

Early voting

redalert Sunday, October 26th at 5:26PM EDT (link)

Your argument normally would be valid. Republicans normally do vote more by absentee ballots,but the numbers cited are people actually going to vote in person. 210,000 have done so thus far.The reason it is important is that Obama has been pushing VERY hard for his supporters to vote early. Huge numbers of black voters have voted thus far as a result. Another point you fail to remember is that this is California. This is a state that is overwhelmingly Democratic. The two U.S. Senators are Democrats.A vast majority of members of the House of Representatives are Democrats. The mayors of San Francisco,Los Angeles,San Jose and many other cities in the state are Democrats. The fact that it is 50-50 is actually terrible news for Obama since he has made a point of pushing for early voting. In California,he should be running away with the number of Democrats voting thus far. Face it,it’s the Bradley effect all over again. People lied to the pollsters. I have no doubt that Obama will win in California,but if the number is only a few percentage points,he is dead in the rest of the country. One reason it is so close is that lots of people will come out to vote against the legalization of gay marriage. Those voters will in all probability vote for McCain.

California is irrelevant

Arturo Sunday, October 26th at 6:06PM EDT (link)

The states that matter do not look good:

http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601070&sid=aXHbaLY2rl3w&refer=home

… and actual numbers here:
http://elections.gmu.edu/earlyvote2008.html

North Carolina: 55D/27R (interesting point, though, those 18-29 make up only 11% of the early voting population)
Iowa: 51D/28D
FL: 44D/40R
CO: 38D/37R

And the list goes on and on. They just do not look good from a historical perspective — and historically, this should be an area where Republicans do much better than Democrats. The opposite is turning out to be the case.

I think it will be tighter than the polls show, but it will take a mammoth event to change the trajectory of things.

Funny neither are troll

PaRep Sunday, October 26th at 6:10PM EDT (link)

BUH-BYE

How exactly is providing numbers ...

Arturo Sunday, October 26th at 6:13PM EDT (link)

… and engaging in discussion being a troll? It’s easy to throw out the troll epithet. I registered and commented because I felt I had something to add to the discussion, that being actual early voting numbers. How does this make me a troll?

Well first of all you're a liar

PaRep Sunday, October 26th at 6:16PM EDT (link)

Ex-Democrat as of 2008. Enough said.

That is what you typed right there SPARKY!!!

Interesting how you can read my mind

Arturo Sunday, October 26th at 6:23PM EDT (link)

Not exactly helping your case, friend. Instead of being shrill, you can point out some numbers that show better early voting results than the ones that are happening. Like I said previously, I commented because I had something substantive to contribute. Instead of discussion you engage in name calling. Good day to you then.

DID YOU OR DID YOU NOT TYPE THAT

PaRep Sunday, October 26th at 6:30PM EDT (link)

THERE SPARKY ANSWER MY QUESTION TROLL!!

If you did you have been an EX D but it took you all this time to find Redstate right Sparky

Don’t play the SHRILL card I don’t care whether you think I’m SHRILL, I am a Mod at a Sports Message Board & I have gotten VERY good at smelling out trolls

I can smell them from a LONG distance away like Skunks

Keep telling yourself that Arturo.

Tim_Schieferecke Sunday, October 26th at 6:34PM EDT (link)

The narrative this year is how much more motivated the Ds are than the Rs. If this is true, how in the h e double toothpicks are the number of early voters even within 10 points of each other in Cali? Obama is going to lose this election. Watch for the polls to tighten and go McCain before this is all over with. Obama is the Tower of Babel and he’s built on sand instead of bedrock.

Tim Schieferecke

Sure, that's the narrative...

Arturo Sunday, October 26th at 6:41PM EDT (link)

And like I said, I believe it will be tighter than the numbers suggest they are. I do not believe, like the NYT, WashPost, and CBS, that Obama has a double-digit lead or that Democrats suddenly outnumber Republicans by more than a few points (hence why I don’t buy Virginia polls showing a greater Democratic turnout than a Republican turnout as accurate).

I definitely want there to be a surge for McCain on actual election day. I’m just saying that the early numbers based on a historical perspective are not good for McCain, especially North Carolina. Those numbers worry me. That having been said, there are about 8 or so days left in early voting, so the numbers will definitely change.

I’m not sure what you mean for why the numbers are within 10 points of each other (in many cases they’re not) in California, though.

Arturo, you may or may not be a troll, only time will tell.

janis Sunday, October 26th at 6:45PM EDT (link)

But we have had a whole raft of lefties show up lately, all prepared to tell us where we have failed and what we need to do to correct that. It is not well received, and it gets boring to have to deal with it over and over again.

I can’t imagine that very many on our side are showing up on the lefty blogs to give them helpful advice. Frankly, I don’t care what the left believes or what they want. I know right from wrong and that is what informs my beliefs. The left only knows what it “feels”.

Thank you

Arturo Sunday, October 26th at 6:50PM EDT (link)

Thank you for reasonably responding to me and not resorting to name calling. I understand the tense political climate, and the corresponding hair-triggers.

I considered myself a Democrat until I moved to Maryland about three months ago and now consider myself unaffiliated. Sen. McCain is who I am voting for. I may not agree with him on everything, but based on his long record and his service to this country I know that he would do a good job.

Sen. Obama has run a masterful campaign and he may win, but I cannot in good conscience vote for the most inexperienced, unknown candidate in American history for the highest office in the land. I do not get a ’sense’ of what he would be like in office seeing as he has no record to show. I do get a sense of what McCain would be like in office, and this is why I’m voting for him.

Again, thank you for not resorting to name calling. Kind of rare these days.

You are welcome. And thanks so much for

janis Sunday, October 26th at 6:57PM EDT (link)

recognizing Obama’s lack of credentials and experience and therefore choosing to vote for John McCain. It is a signal achievement on Obama/Pelosi/Reid’s part this year that, in a year custom made for Dems to win, they have managed to totally bollix it up. First by their own incompetence in running things for the past two years, and then in indulging in identity politics by giving the nod to someone as inexperienced as Obama with a murky past that no one will speak out about.

But, hey, he’s part black and that’s what counts for them to the exclusion of common sense or common decency.

What happened to the lead?

redalert Sunday, October 26th at 7:11PM EDT (link)

What he means is that in ALL the polls in California Obama had a huge lead. Most of the polls had him leading by more than 15 points. I saw one poll where Obama was leading 56 to 34. That’s a 22 point margin that should mean a landslide in California. However,now that people have actually voted we are not seeing that. Obama has frightened a lot of black voters into believing that on election day there will be a plot to discard their votes. So he has been pushing them to vote early. Where are they? Why is it 50-50 right now? Obama has also registered a lot of new voters. Where are they? Did you see what I wrote earlier to another person? More Republicans than Democrats have also voted in Florida. By a large margin. That’s usually true in early voting as you said earlier,but with Obama stressing voting as soon as possible,it’s a bad sign that they are not listening to him.

Fair point

Arturo Sunday, October 26th at 7:31PM EDT (link)

about Obama pushing early voting. I also remember that in Ohio a one-week window led to only about 30,000 people voting (way lower than expected). Yet now we have record turnout in other states. Maybe Ohio had a low number because its new to Ohio (don’t know if it actually is).

As for Florida, the numbers are 44D/40R based on all ballots (early in-person and absentee). Having lived in Florida I’m fairly certain that it will go for McCain, but the margin will be more like ‘00 than ‘04, I think.

At this point, I think it’s a mixed bag, but on the whole, more Democrats than Republicans are voting.

Redalart, you have it completely correct

Dave_in_Fla Sunday, October 26th at 7:35PM EDT (link)

The point isn’t that Obama will or won’t win California (he will). It is that all of the polls being used to tout the insurmountable Obama lead rely on the assumption of historic turnout for Democrats, overwhelming Republicans. Alternatively, they assume historic Republican apathy. If the early voting is generally running even, then those polling models are very wrong, and the Obama +8 to +12 lead is mythic.

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” - Joe McCarthy

Maybe, Arturo, but who says the Dems

janis Sunday, October 26th at 7:47PM EDT (link)

turning out are voting FOR Obama? All of us here know many Dems who are voting for McCain. You, as an example. I know you said that you are now an Independent, but many kept their Dem identity but are voting R this year.

You're absolutely correct

Arturo Sunday, October 26th at 7:50PM EDT (link)

In that California is irrelevant.

The point that I’m trying to make is not that Obama’s lead in the polls isn’t bearing out in early voting, the point is that early voting is running even between Republicans and Democrats, and this is not good.

If Republicans historically have had a significant edge over Democrats in early voting, and now the split is roughly 50/50, this is not good news. This means that, at least compared to previous patterns, more Democrats and less Republicans are voting early. That’s the only point I’m making here, and it has nothing to do with California or Obama’s lead in the polls (which shouldn’t be compared to early voting since it’s comparing apples to oranges).

A more persuasive argument in favor of discounting this is that there is a lot of enthusiasm on the Democratic side, and that is why they are early-voting in historically larger numbers than they have in the past, and the numbers may yet revert to their traditional Republican edge. As of yet, this has not happened.

Florida,Pennsylvania,Ohio

redalert Sunday, October 26th at 7:58PM EDT (link)

I will report later on in the week on the latest trends in early voting in California. We both agree that Obama will ultimately win California,but if it is close then I believe that McCain will indeed win in Florida,Pennsylvania and Ohio. All three would give him a victory. Obama lost big to Hillary Clinton in the primary. I think that this is the one state where race will play a huge role. The polls here will be way off,I think. I lived in New York City for 14 years so I know that state well. I think race will also play a role there. I think people are going to be shocked when they see how many “ethnic” Democrats cross over and vote for McCain. I think Jewish,Italian and Irish voters will cross over in substantial numbers. I will watch that race all night long. Might be close.

The trifecta

Arturo Sunday, October 26th at 8:01PM EDT (link)

I have a hard time believing that McCain does not win 2 of 3 of FLOHPA. And I most definitely believe that Pennsylvania will not be a 12-point race, especially after Murtha (what a joke!).

I look forward to your numbers. If California is close in the end (and we won’t know until the 5th, I guess), then by all likelihood by the time we know for sure we will be celebrating President-elect McCain.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

This is what worries me

dld1717 Sunday, October 26th at 8:08PM EDT (link)

I think McCain will win NC, IN, FL, and OH

I am worried about VA, NC, and MO now for some reason

Problem is we still need another state and I still doubt we win PA

VA is key

Arturo Sunday, October 26th at 8:20PM EDT (link)

Especially since it’s one of the first states to close their polls at 7pm EST. Should the race be close (and it looks like it will be) all networks should avoid calling it until it’s beyond doubt who won (I don’t care if it takes all night to call it). None of the “it looks like X is winning, and no way Y can win now” crap. Just report who won.

During the Dem primary, CNN, FOX, and ABC all called Missouri for Hillary Clinton and then miraculously when St. Louis county started reporting at the very end with 99% of the vote, there were just enough votes to tip it to Obama.

If McCain fails to carry VA, it’s over. I don’t foresee a scenario where McCain doesn’t carry VA and wins the presidency (not because of the EC but because of the state as a leading indicator of how the nation is voting).

The bottom line is, McCain MUST hold VA, NC, FL. Missouri will be close either way.

agreed, VA is key as they will attempt to use it to influence turnout elsewhere

JLenardDetroit Sunday, October 26th at 8:39PM EDT (link)

These Polls (as we’ve discussed ad nausea) are part of the process of influence. I can’t go into all the MSM plans again cuz I already have it laid out in Diary: MSM prepares ground-work for Election night coverage (more bias to influence outcome) - The manner in which they intend to influence the outcome doesn’t end on Nov. 4 when the Polls open. Hope you’ll check it out.

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Here is how I think this might play out:

Andy Smith Sunday, October 26th at 9:12PM EDT (link)

McCain holds OH, FL, MO, and NC. Obama picks up VA. If McCain holds those four states, and also manages to hold Nevada, Colorado, or New Mexico, then he only needs Pennsylvania to win.
If the polls close and both VA and NC are called for Obama, then McCain needs to concede right then and there. He wouldn’t have a prayer on winning unless something really screwy happens like winning California.
I’m not buying the polls at this point. You have a lot of the partisan left polls giving Obama double digit leads, but Rasmussen, Zogby, and some others have it in single digits, between three and six points. With this much disparity out there, it tells me there are more McCain supporters out there that are possibly not being sampled.

“Let us have faith that right makes might, and in that faith, let us, to the end, dare to do our duty as we understand it.”-Abraham Lincoln

Thanks for the link, Arturo.

birdwing7 Sunday, October 26th at 10:24PM EDT (link)

I thought the numbers for states like Colorado and North Carolina were very interesting.

Ironic that you are the only poster linking to substance, but are called a troll.

Early voting in Florida

Dave_in_Fla Monday, October 27th at 8:04AM EDT (link)

Currently running 44% Dem, 40% Rep, almost identical to 2004.

If Florida is unique, then so be it. But if it is indicative of the general trends nationwide, then it isn’t good news for Obama. He has to do better than Kerry did to win.

“If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country.” - Joe McCarthy

I have been informed that the glitch that allowed people like Arturo21 to delete their email addresses...

Moe Lane Monday, October 27th at 8:15AM EDT (link)

…from their accounts has been repaired; which means that I can now simply openly ban the ones that I’ve caught doing it.

Email the Directors if you want your account turned back on, Arturo. Free hint: don’t use a fresh account.

Why Is Deleting One's Email Address Banworthy?

asgardshill Monday, October 27th at 8:32AM EDT (link)

Noob question: Why is deleting one’s email address A Bad Thing and worthy of being banned? People change their email addresses every day - compromised/pirated passwords, not liking the user interface of the particular interface they’re using for it, excess spammage to that particular email address, etc.

Because this is private property, and we said so.

Moe Lane Monday, October 27th at 8:38AM EDT (link)

Feel free to email the Directors when you want to comply, by the way.

7%

Daniel Glenn Monday, October 27th at 8:52AM EDT (link)

nt

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“In an insane society, reality is outside of the mainstream.”

“If people are not free to trade with each other, all other freedom is meaningless.”

Don’t blame me. I voted for McCain.

Ironic that hey got Banned HUH??

PaRep Monday, October 27th at 8:57AM EDT (link)

Mr. 5 day 10 hour Wonder, Troll Much??

With all due respect

Daniel Glenn Monday, October 27th at 9:01AM EDT (link)

I have to disagree with you. These early voting numbers, plus the fact that Proposition 8, the anti-gay marriage amendment on the CA ballot this year, will likely succeed, suggests that McCain will either improve upon Bush’s 2004 10 point loss in the state, or win the state very narrowly. History suggests that Prop 8 will succeed because Prop 22, which was a piece of legislation similar to Prop 8, passed with a 2-to-1 margin.

If McCain gets even semi-close to winning the state, I’d say that Obama has bigger problems than will he be able to pick up FL and CO.

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“In an insane society, reality is outside of the mainstream.”

“If people are not free to trade with each other, all other freedom is meaningless.”

Don’t blame me. I voted for McCain.

Good job, asgardshill. Now that we have a working email for you...

Moe Lane Monday, October 27th at 10:05AM EDT (link)

…you get to have your account turned back on. Easy as pie, people.

Moe Lane

You've Always Had A Working Email ...

asgardshill Monday, October 27th at 11:17AM EDT (link)

… for me, Moe. And I was just asking a question - no attack, disrespect, or snark was intended.

Busy/heated political season, innit? :)

Actually, no, asgardhill, we didn't. (Apology in text.)

Moe Lane Monday, October 27th at 11:28AM EDT (link)

There was a rather drastic glitch in the profile system - since fixed, thankfully - that has been bedeviling us for several weeks now. There’s some debate behind the scenes whether people had been deliberately exploiting it (I’m firmly in the “yup, some were” camp), but I’m persuaded now that you weren’t one of them, so I retract the insinuation in your case and apologize for it.

Does that provide satisfaction? :)

Moe

PS: Yes, it has been.

Not all wrong, but not all right.

Naimad Monday, October 27th at 4:00PM EDT (link)

Arturo, you are correct that early voting usually trends toward Republicans mainly because, as the L.A. Times article you quoted states,
“Historically, we’ve seen that early voters are older, they tend to be white, have higher incomes and are better educated…And that group of people tends to trend Republican.” But that is not to say that there has been some tidal wave of early voters in past years voting Republican. On the other hand, there is supposed to be a tidal wave in early voters in 2008, because many states have lifted restrictions on early voting, and because the Obama Campaign has made getting out the early vote part of their strategy of making it seem that the election (of Obama) is a foregone conclusion. So, please don’t minimize the fact that it is basically 50-50 out in the bluest state of Kalifornia, that is a shocker, and a bad sign for Obama; unless it begins to trend his way in a big way between now and November 4th. As it stands right now, it is a huge plus for McCain and a real indication that the double digit polling numbers reported by the mainstream press have been artificial (and part of the aforementioned strategy) as most of us have suspected.

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

I can't find your data.

ElBruce Monday, October 27th at 10:12PM EDT (link)

I’ve been Googling the Toobz all I can, but from everything I can find, California isn’t reporting Republican vs. Democrat totals. Some states are, some states aren’t. California doesn’t seem to be. Link, please?

 

My feeling on the ground here in CA

Rich Chatfield Monday, October 27th at 11:26PM EDT (link)

Living here I sorta of have a feel of what’s happening and I think its so close here because of Prop 8 being on the ballot.

California’s are tired of having the liberal agenda shoved down its throat by liberal judges legislating form the bench.

I think there are many here who see the same things in Obama and the democrats and do see what a super majority would bring. The fact we have to go and re-establish the definition of marraige or sit by and watch it shoved onto our kids via the liberal teachers union and the law.

This issues has hit some nerves and people are accutely aware about how their rights can be taken away from them overnight by some judge. I think this connection has cause a worrisome eye to grow here in CA. It would be a hoot if we managed to push CA over.

O.o Benjamin Franklin - “Well done is better than well said.

 

Early voting totals misleading

superbu Tuesday, October 28th at 4:42AM EDT (link)

These early voting numbers for California are very misleading, and I’ll tell you why. Los Angeles county, the largest county in the state and HEAVILY Democratic, only has ONE early voting location in the whole county — clear the hell down in Norwalk, where the registrar’s office is. It’s VERY out of the way from where the main population centers are. (Clue: I don’t even know exactly where Norwalk is, and I’ve lived in Hollywood nine years.) I would bet you very few people are voting early in Los Angeles county. I know I wouldn’t drive all the way down there to vote early.

The smaller and heavily Republican Orange County, however, has TWELVE early voting locations!

http://www.ocvote.com/vote/votearlyenglish.htm

It’s really crazy — I don’t know why it’s this way. (However, this could turn out to be good for McCain on election day.)

At any rate, this is much of the reason that early in-person voting seems to be favoring Republicans.

 

This election is way different than the rest

clove Tuesday, October 28th at 6:43AM EDT (link)

I honestly think pollsters, experts and the media are going to be shocked come election day. The election was brought up at work, one guy in particular told me he wasn’t voting at all (the odd thing too, was, I actually said some good things about Obama and knew damn well in my head, I was voting for McCain, but never said it). He said, he didn’t like either one of them. I was convinced, however, later on he told me, in private of course when nobody else was around..I’m voting for McCain. He told me, it’s not wise to ever discuss politics, religion or money with any group of people. Last week, I watched the same discussion at work about the election and several were talking to one individual about Obama, they said, he would be their choice. Not shortly after that, all three people that supported Obama in that conversation, walked away talking about how they’re voting for McCain. They did that not to hurt the feelings of the other person they were talking too.Nobody told me that’s why, but it was easy to tell giving the fact I’ve been around them long enough to understand it’s better to tell a lie than to cause static or hurt feelings. There is a lot of deceit in this particular election. I think it’s considering other’s feelings, and by telling a lie in that way is far much better than ruining a relationship.

shocked? hardly, disappointed? yep

Common_Cents Tuesday, October 28th at 7:49AM EDT (link)

I doubt the pollsters and media will be shocked if the race is much tighter on election day or even McCain leading.

They will be disappointed.

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Without sources this story is nonsense

davesocal Tuesday, October 28th at 8:17AM EDT (link)

What are your sources for these numbers? You are pulling these numbers out of thin air. This story is a complete fabrication.

Seriously, you can’t just say an arbitrary number of people are doing a particular thing without a source for the numbers.

What results are you referring to?

“The results thus far are the complete opposite. In the most liberal state in the entire country,the results are that 99,000 Republicans have voted and 96,000 Democrats voted. In the mail-in balloting the results so far are that 9,000 Democrats sent in their ballots and that 5,000 Republicans did so. So with nearly 210,000 people having voted,the Democrats have only a 1,000 vote advantage !”

Where did these number come from? Results? Results from what? What study? What poll? California does not disclose this information until after the election.

 

Early voting is no indicator

TheKent Tuesday, October 28th at 8:36AM EDT (link)

Think of why Cali swings blue to begin with: minority votes. IMO, the flood of D votes will come on the 4th. I’m not saying I don’t want to see 55 votes back on the… ahem… RIGHT side of the count - it’s happened before and it will happen again.

Formerly known as Poli_Bri (registered January 08).

You sound very worried.

ocleverone Tuesday, October 28th at 8:39AM EDT (link)

:-)

To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher

Yep

Nicholas Tuesday, October 28th at 3:58PM EDT (link)

That’s a good point. Obama is raking up huge early numbers in states like GA, NC, and FL, which may just be because of enthusiasm, but may also be something more. We’ll find out in a week.

 
 
 

Source?

JakePrime Tuesday, October 28th at 4:11PM EDT (link)

Fabrication?

redalert Tuesday, October 28th at 6:08PM EDT (link)

The story was in the San Francisco Chronicle last week,the main paper in our city. I made the mistake of not jotting down the date. I tried to find it on the Chronicle’s web site,which is sfgate.com,but I couldn’t find it there.
The totals are exactly as reported in the Chronicle. I did not make up these totals. If I had,I would have had McCain winning,dummy. I expect there will be totals given this week and I will post the date and data when it comes out. As I wrote in the diary,the story did not say how these people voted. Just how many Republicans had voted and how many Democrats had voted. As I mentioned and as another reader mentioned Proposition 8 ,which is intended to ban gay marriage, is on the ballot. This will make LOTS of people come out and vote.

Fear?

redalert Tuesday, October 28th at 7:42PM EDT (link)

I am like a dog. I can smell fear. All of a sudden the actual results don’t match the polls so they are trying to slay the messenger. I just spent the last hour looking for the newspaper that I quoted. Instead I was very surprised to see that my diary was being quoted almost in its entirety in the New York Times of October 27th. It seems to be a conservative who is writing the piece. It’s called the Opinionator by Tobin Harshaw. It’s called “It morning in California. Or is it?”. What I found hilarious was the people responding to my diary in the Times. Some were saying that 210,000 votes is meaningless. Others that it’s irrelevant because Obama will win by 15-17 points. Amazing how frightened they all seem. They LOVE polls which is what people claim they are going to do,but show them some real numbers and they get angry. I laughed a lot reading the comments.

As a fellow Californian,

Daniel Glenn Tuesday, October 28th at 10:23PM EDT (link)

albeit one currently exiled in Ohio, I feel like people here not just know what will happen with a leftist supermajority in congress and a commie for prez, they have gotten tired of the constant deficits and budget problems, as well as the crummy public schools, which is what will happen if the donks get their 60 seats and Obamanama for POTUS.

Cali goin’ red = MSM’s worst nightmare.

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Absentee voters are typically

oldmom Tuesday, October 28th at 10:38PM EDT (link)

Republican.

Plus-as good as those numbers sound right now- they aren’t even a drop in the bucket. CA has 16,500,000 registered voters!

I ♥ Oregon.

Good call on Prop 8 in CA...

CSUFBomb Tuesday, October 28th at 10:56PM EDT (link)

…lots of social conservatives who have given up all hope for the Republican party in CA (such as it is) are highly motivated by Prop 8.

I don’t have any illusions that it will lead to a McCain November surprise in CA, but I do think the margin will be narrower than expected. And I expect “Yes” on Prop 8 to prevail.


“We want great men who, when fortune frowns, will not be discouraged.” - Colonel Henry Knox

 
 

Arturo is correct.

hoosierteacher Wednesday, October 29th at 2:28AM EDT (link)

Call me a troll if you want (but I’ve been a member longer than most, and it’s the name calling like on this comment section that’s decreased my activity here), but Arturo is just plain correct.

Republicans have always had an edge in early voting. There are several reasons for this. In my opinion, republicans are more likely to hold jobs that prevent them from voting on election day. For another, republicans are more likely to be responsible and to vote in advance instead of waiting until the last minute.

While I would like to be encouraged by the story, it’s a rehash of early voting in election years we have both won and lost. If one is going to hope for an election victory, we need to hope that undecided voters break our way, and we need to ignore polls and vote.

I think the actual popular vote is going to be close (I think people are doubting Obama, and I know a lot of Hillary dems that aren’t going to vote), but the electoral numbers look pretty bad.

“Greater is an army of sheep led by a lion, than an army of lions led by a sheep” - Defoe

 

[Hi, CharlesKeating/HughEBriss!]

schuylercolfax Wednesday, October 29th at 3:11AM EDT (link)

[Bye, CharlesKeating/HughEBriss! - Moe Lane]

Speaking of early voting, Dave

SG_Lominac Wednesday, October 29th at 5:59AM EDT (link)

I voted for McCain/Palin yesterday in Bay County, FL (Panhandle) and if the numbers I overheard are to be believed, 25% of the registered voters have already voted here (no link). I thought it was also interesting that the supervisor in the precinct stood up and announced to his workers that Governor Crist had extended early voting hours to 12 hours (7-7) for the rest of the week. Must be some large turnout statewide.

What the hell is going on out here? - Vince Lombardi

The worried comment was directed

ocleverone Wednesday, October 29th at 7:44AM EDT (link)

at the daveinsocal. His post sounded very worried.

I agree with you 100% that if they don’t like the message, they try to kill the messenger.

I personally think that California will be a lot closer than their polls indicate.

To me, “consensus” seems to be the process of abandoning all beliefs, principles, values and policies. So it is something in which no one believes and to which no one objects … There are still people in my party who believe in “consensus” politics. I regard them as Quislings, as traitors … I mean it. — Margaret Thatcher

Forget the Polls!....I see a bumper-crop of McCain Palin signs here in Orange County

$peciallist Wednesday, October 29th at 9:30AM EDT (link)

You just can’t help but notice…

It’s pumping me up!

Oh…and T the T ?….GET LOST!!

Little problem with your supposition

Raven Wednesday, October 29th at 9:36AM EDT (link)

Republicans do NOT have a historical lead in “Early Voting,” which is actually getting up off your butt and going to the polls to cast your ballot in person.
Democrats do, largely thanks to their habit of driving around and gathering everybody they can and delivering busloads to the polls.

Republicans have an advantage in Absentee Voting. Due in large part to their vast majority in the active, reserve, and retired military population.
The article redalert is referencing talks about ballots cast, both Absentee and early voting. It does not talk about how many Absentee Ballots have been mailed. Only the ones already received By the state.

“Unlike cruel liberty that requires you to stand and take responsibility for your choices, kind tyranny requires only that you kneel and surrender your choices.”

Try the archives in the library

Raven Wednesday, October 29th at 9:50AM EDT (link)

(Seriously, is old-fashioned research dead?)

It’ll be there.

“Unlike cruel liberty that requires you to stand and take responsibility for your choices, kind tyranny requires only that you kneel and surrender your choices.”

Absentee Voters, yes

Raven Wednesday, October 29th at 9:52AM EDT (link)

But the article and the OP talk about ballots already cast. That’s Early Voters and the minority of Absentee Ballots that have already been filled out and returned.

Totally different subject.

As for the Absentee Voters, remember that most of those ballots don’t arrive until after the normal voting date (they are only required to be postmarked the day of, not delivered the day of).

“Unlike cruel liberty that requires you to stand and take responsibility for your choices, kind tyranny requires only that you kneel and surrender your choices.”

 
 
 
 
 
 
 

[Duuuuude.]

GOPGal Wednesday, October 29th at 10:01AM EDT (link)

[We, like, don't let spambotters post here, mannnn. - Moe Lane]

Research is only dead if

baserunr Wednesday, October 29th at 11:40AM EDT (link)

you are looking for information on a Dem. Otherwise, feel free to make up anything you want. The NYT does it all the time!

“The day you think you know it all is the day your trouble starts.”

 
 

Early voting in California trends

MadHatChemist Wednesday, October 29th at 1:36PM EDT (link)

In California, the early absentees are announced before the precincts come in (voting that day and late absentees dropped off at the polls).

In California, unless a Republican running statewide is ahead by double digets (~15% to ~20%), they are toast. At 8:10 P.M. pacific on Nov. 4th, you will know just how badly it’ll be for McCain by taking that vote percentage and subtracting 15-20%.

 

you people are ignorant fools

iamdipstickheremeroar Wednesday, October 29th at 6:07PM EDT (link)

Cleanup on aisle 5. Offensive nom de guerre

Tim_Schieferecke Wednesday, October 29th at 6:10PM EDT (link)

Bye bye offensive troll.

Tim Schieferecke

actually,

Dopeman Wednesday, October 29th at 8:13PM EDT (link)

this is one of those situations where a tie is a huge win for Dems. Historically, early voting (previously “absentee”) has been dominated by Republicans. Republicans have always been able to expect a huge boost from the “absentee” vote.

These numbers represent a marked shift from that. Sorry, but it’s true.

“There comes a time when a rat’s gotta ask himself: what’s in it for the rat?” - Templeton

 
 
 

Trolls/Mobies appear to love this thread

JLenardDetroit Thursday, October 30th at 3:04AM EDT (link)

they have made it more entertaining, if nothing else.

Personal experience here in the Socialist Utopia of Wayne County Michigan, the Absentees were more Republican, were good for me in my Campaigns on the Rep. Ticket… But this area is so far Socialist… Anyway, the point again…. I would imagine the ration varies from locale to locale.

If you’ve not run for office before, call your local Party rep (really put your time and money where your mouth is) in case they need you. It’s a blast… Really ;-) … Seriously though, there are alot of Offices in many locations that need someone to step up and run.

Regardless, the MSM will spin it to the Dem’s favor or not report it, that simple.

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On the other hand

seattle_ite Thursday, October 30th at 4:05AM EDT (link)

I lived in Ventura for a few years, and got the sense that most folks in CA do indeed vote their pocketbook, even in Dem strongholds. Money is status in Ca. (no offense, just my observation), and ultra-high taxation is anathema.

You're saying CA doesn't matter?

seattle_ite Thursday, October 30th at 4:11AM EDT (link)

For the last 40+ years of my life, I’ve been hearing about, “how goes CA, so goes the country”, on issue after issue. Someone refutes your claim, and all of a sudden, CA is a nothing state, electorally???

What are you smoking, dude?

Not sure about that

seattle_ite Thursday, October 30th at 4:29AM EDT (link)

We have a “Death with Dignity” issue here in WA, Initiative 1000, that has Martin Sheen, of all people, taking the conservative argument. Perhaps because he’s no spring chicken, and worries whether he raised his kids right, but I was pleased to see a reliable lib defend the sanctity of life.

The point is the gap between poll numbers and actual results, thus far

seattle_ite Thursday, October 30th at 4:39AM EDT (link)

CA was supposed to be a landslide lock for “The One”, according to the polls. That early voting is so close should be unconscionable.

Except to those of us who are wringing our hands in glee.:)

I just do not see it

Herodotus Thursday, October 30th at 11:29AM EDT (link)

I just have no idea where these VA polls are coming from. I live in VA-9 and from what I see my district has gone from reliable red to ridiculously red (McCain-Palin will take 70% of the vote in my CD this year).

Sign Newt’s Drilling Petition. I have included a link to it in the below. Thank you.

http://www.americansolutions.com/

Moe

Herodotus Thursday, October 30th at 11:32AM EDT (link)

Is it ok to change one’s email address?

Sign Newt’s Drilling Petition. I have included a link to it in the below. Thank you.

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Sure. Just don't use a disposable one. <NT>

Moe Lane Thursday, October 30th at 11:36AM EDT (link)

Perhaps,

Herodotus Thursday, October 30th at 11:37AM EDT (link)

but I suspect that the hispanic vote will be down this year.

Sign Newt’s Drilling Petition. I have included a link to it in the below. Thank you.

http://www.americansolutions.com/

Is my current one good?

Herodotus Thursday, October 30th at 11:46AM EDT (link)

I am not sure what a disposable email account is.

Sign Newt’s Drilling Petition. I have included a link to it in the below. Thank you.

http://www.americansolutions.com/

VA-05

mbauer Thursday, October 30th at 12:45PM EDT (link)

The center of the State with UVA (my current Graduate School) is blue. No ifs ands or buts about it. The faculty are much Bluer than the students… which hurts even more because all the faculty vote in VA, many of the students absentee to there home state. A large portion of us did intentionally change our voter registration this year to VA for this obvious reason. If we win VA, it won’t come from this district.

McCain is TOTALLY going to win CALIFORNIA

jamesevans Thursday, October 30th at 4:36PM EDT (link)

totally

 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

Imagine if California turns out to be a purple instead of blue.

Rod_Patrick Thursday, October 30th at 4:54PM EDT (link)

That would be a shame!

We ban fake conservatives on sight, jamesevans. (Read, please)

Moe Lane Thursday, October 30th at 9:45PM EDT (link)

Don’t do that again.

Now apologize to the board for trying that. Next post.

Moe

PS: Sarcasm is contraindicated.

The Coming Rout

RedMan2U Thursday, October 30th at 10:31PM EDT (link)

Howdy, folks. RedManU2, signing on with NEWS:

http://www.time.com/time/politics/article/0,8599,1855049,00.html

Sounds terrible for Obama, huh?

And he’s getting his ass kicked in North Carolina, too:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5gGAZiY1RBcNVhthkiArF_gPYdLagD94505M00

Across the South, in fact, Obamaland Koolaid drinkers are simply not showing up to vote, as we have all (all of us except the trolls) expected all along. But the silent majority for McCain, perhaps spurred on the brilliant choice of the spunky Governor Palin, are coming out of the woodwork in droves and proudly marching in to cast their votes, as if Jim Crow were a thing of the past:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/10/30/early.voting/

Even in the blue state stronghold of Colorado, the Democrats hold only a slim lead in early voting:

http://www.denverpost.com/nationalpolitics/ci_10840032

And things look little better for Obamarama in Oregon, where he had been predicted to win by a landslide, but the Democrats are only up by 8 points in the early voting:

http://blog.oregonlive.com/mapesonpolitics/2008/10/democratsfaroutpacinggopin.html

Across the country, according to the Associate Press, the Democratic party is in flight before the approaching wave of Republican “Bradley” voters:

http://ap.google.com/article/ALeqM5iXAkBilVhjbpsgAAHfgp6kGEShvwD944JHT03

Worst of all, it would seem, given the elitist demographics of the Demo base, Blacks are simply not turning out to support Obama, despite the Koolaid projections of the MSM:

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/30/us/politics/30chambliss.html?hp

And in California, the state in which Early Voting Patterns seemed so dismal for the incumbent for the Republican seat, well, let’s just say that Senator Obama would be unwise to quit his day job, just yet:

http://www.californiaprogressreport.com/2008/10/obama_landslide.html

Those Bradley boys are coming! They’s bringing us some cheer. Just fix the voting glitches, and serve us up some beer (Coors).

Best wishes to all other Reds. Keep up the pow wow, and make those Dems circle the wagons to stay alive. We’ve got them right where we want them. Hehehe.

As a Doornail, it would appear

RedMan2U Thursday, October 30th at 10:35PM EDT (link)

See my post below on how truly horribly badly Obama is doing, because of the MSM’s horribly inaccurate polling. I provide all the links to verify the point.

Best wishes to all.

RedMan

 
 
 
 

LA county surpressing early voting!

Hammer2008 Saturday, November 1st at 12:22AM EDT (link)

This is news from the ground there as my good friend considered voting early. The largest populated county in America, eliminates electronic voting and forces all to come to one central location… surpressing it’s own voters? Strange, no?

My friend is a McCain/PALIN voter:

I was planning to vote early, wrote “planning”, because now the wait at election headquarters is about 3 hours.
Yes, the County decided to eliminate electronic voting at multiple locations meaning the only way to vote early
is to visit their main offices in Norwalk. You can imagine L.A. being the largest voting county in the nation, it is
madness to have everyone come to only one location. What could the benefit be? They control all ballots early.

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