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		<title>By: AHALgal</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/rep_michele_bachmann/2008/12/08/no-more-bailouts/#comment-16</link>
		<dc:creator>AHALgal</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 13 Dec 2008 07:31:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you Congresswoman Bachmann!

While the UAW spent $400 million in attempting to elect Democrats this year, I expect them to do what is best for their members. If this situation was so dire, then that money could easily go to assist their members. 

Obviously, they only continue to seek their own hunger for power.

UAW blew the deal at 10:15 p.m. ET last night because they wouldn't accept pay concessions for management. 

This was never a bailout of the car companies who do nothing more than operate as limited manufacturing for pensions and over-inflated wages -- it was a bailout for the UAW. 

This small business owner hopes the Bush administration has the macho to withdraw from a UAW bailout.

Dow closed UP 64.59 -- stick that socialist slimewads!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you Congresswoman Bachmann!</p>
<p>While the UAW spent $400 million in attempting to elect Democrats this year, I expect them to do what is best for their members. If this situation was so dire, then that money could easily go to assist their members. </p>
<p>Obviously, they only continue to seek their own hunger for power.</p>
<p>UAW blew the deal at 10:15 p.m. ET last night because they wouldn&#8217;t accept pay concessions for management. </p>
<p>This was never a bailout of the car companies who do nothing more than operate as limited manufacturing for pensions and over-inflated wages &#8212; it was a bailout for the UAW. </p>
<p>This small business owner hopes the Bush administration has the macho to withdraw from a UAW bailout.</p>
<p>Dow closed UP 64.59 &#8212; stick that socialist slimewads!</p>
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		<title>By: Mike gamecock DeVine</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mike gamecock DeVine</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:10:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The problem is the pensions for the retired and government regs. The fact is that they cannot survive as they exist now. They will downsize. The question is when.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The problem is the pensions for the retired and government regs. The fact is that they cannot survive as they exist now. They will downsize. The question is when.</p>
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		<title>By: GregInFla</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/rep_michele_bachmann/2008/12/08/no-more-bailouts/#comment-14</link>
		<dc:creator>GregInFla</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 05:02:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree that the costs of the bailout may very well make it more difficult to buy a new car.  But you said: &lt;i&gt;"The issue isn’t that individuals are not purchasing cars; it’s that they are not purchasing American cars." &lt;/i&gt; Cars made in Alabama (Honda) Kentucky, South Carolina, and other non-Northern states are American cars. They are just &lt;b&gt;not overly-costly-union-made cars&lt;/b&gt;. As a long-time GM owner, I bought a Honda Odyssey for my family two years ago because all three "USA" companies made statements that minivans would not be supported in the future, so they could sell SUVs. Their loss has been my gain. 50K miles of zero problems, proudly made in Alabama.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree that the costs of the bailout may very well make it more difficult to buy a new car.  But you said: <i>&#8220;The issue isn’t that individuals are not purchasing cars; it’s that they are not purchasing American cars.&#8221; </i> Cars made in Alabama (Honda) Kentucky, South Carolina, and other non-Northern states are American cars. They are just <b>not overly-costly-union-made cars</b>. As a long-time GM owner, I bought a Honda Odyssey for my family two years ago because all three &#8220;USA&#8221; companies made statements that minivans would not be supported in the future, so they could sell SUVs. Their loss has been my gain. 50K miles of zero problems, proudly made in Alabama.</p>
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		<title>By: GregInFla</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/rep_michele_bachmann/2008/12/08/no-more-bailouts/#comment-13</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 04:53:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>we'd love you here in Florida! Bachmann for US Senate in 2010!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>we&#8217;d love you here in Florida! Bachmann for US Senate in 2010!</p>
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		<title>By: ss396</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/rep_michele_bachmann/2008/12/08/no-more-bailouts/#comment-12</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 09 Dec 2008 03:52:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I have been steadily writing to all my Congress-folks to stop this bailout, but I have little faith in the result.  Both Senators Cornyn and Hutchison voted in favor of the original $700-billion, and it grates me no end to see both of them touted as conservative leaders.  It just makes me sick.  At least Rep. McCaul voted against that travesty, and has vowed to continue to fight against it.  But he is pretty junior to take on Pelosi.  Bless you, Rep. Bachmann, I pray for the efforts of you and McCaul.  

But the White House is actually considering the bailout, instead of rejecting the concept out-of-hand.  The so-called Republican leadership is supposedly examining the bill to make sure that the taxpayers are protected - SAY WHAT?  If they're examining the bill, that means that there will be a bill.  You cannot write protections and taxpayer guarantees into legislation and somehow compel sound management from them.  All the safeguards in the world are not going to prevent us taxpayers from owning big chunks of a derelict industry.  

The big 3 have had 30 years to take actions that could have abated their crisis, if not forestalled it altogether.  But they chose other paths instead.  Only when facing immediate death do they suddenly get 'religion'.  I don't believe them; they are not about to change their spots that quickly.  Just because they drove a car to Washington I am suddenly supposed to believe that they have re-thought their lives?  What crap.  

The free market is doing what it is supposed to: weeding out the poor players, the stupid, and the incompetent.  Bailing these jokers out solves nothing, and only prolongs the agony.  Let 'em go to Chapter 11, and a much stronger enterprise will emerge, and much more quickly.  Because of people like you, Rep. Bachmann, I have not entirely lost hope.  But my hope is on life-support.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have been steadily writing to all my Congress-folks to stop this bailout, but I have little faith in the result.  Both Senators Cornyn and Hutchison voted in favor of the original $700-billion, and it grates me no end to see both of them touted as conservative leaders.  It just makes me sick.  At least Rep. McCaul voted against that travesty, and has vowed to continue to fight against it.  But he is pretty junior to take on Pelosi.  Bless you, Rep. Bachmann, I pray for the efforts of you and McCaul.  </p>
<p>But the White House is actually considering the bailout, instead of rejecting the concept out-of-hand.  The so-called Republican leadership is supposedly examining the bill to make sure that the taxpayers are protected - SAY WHAT?  If they&#8217;re examining the bill, that means that there will be a bill.  You cannot write protections and taxpayer guarantees into legislation and somehow compel sound management from them.  All the safeguards in the world are not going to prevent us taxpayers from owning big chunks of a derelict industry.  </p>
<p>The big 3 have had 30 years to take actions that could have abated their crisis, if not forestalled it altogether.  But they chose other paths instead.  Only when facing immediate death do they suddenly get &#8216;religion&#8217;.  I don&#8217;t believe them; they are not about to change their spots that quickly.  Just because they drove a car to Washington I am suddenly supposed to believe that they have re-thought their lives?  What crap.  </p>
<p>The free market is doing what it is supposed to: weeding out the poor players, the stupid, and the incompetent.  Bailing these jokers out solves nothing, and only prolongs the agony.  Let &#8216;em go to Chapter 11, and a much stronger enterprise will emerge, and much more quickly.  Because of people like you, Rep. Bachmann, I have not entirely lost hope.  But my hope is on life-support.</p>
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		<title>By: indym</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am a republican who voted for both President Bushes and John McCain.  I support the bailouts with preconditions.  I think several on this site have  explained my position on this.  Liquidity is important.  Without it the affected industries will crumble and there will be a domino effect throughout the entire economy.  There needs to be reform in theses industries.  Rep Bachmann responded on Redstate after a deal had been reached between the White House and Congress.  Republican congressional members understand what would happen if these bailouts had not occured.  Trust me , they made sure the votes were there before stating opposition.  Senator Richard Shelby has threatened a veto.  Bet it won't happen.  I hate the bailouts like everyone else, but too much is at risk without it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am a republican who voted for both President Bushes and John McCain.  I support the bailouts with preconditions.  I think several on this site have  explained my position on this.  Liquidity is important.  Without it the affected industries will crumble and there will be a domino effect throughout the entire economy.  There needs to be reform in theses industries.  Rep Bachmann responded on Redstate after a deal had been reached between the White House and Congress.  Republican congressional members understand what would happen if these bailouts had not occured.  Trust me , they made sure the votes were there before stating opposition.  Senator Richard Shelby has threatened a veto.  Bet it won&#8217;t happen.  I hate the bailouts like everyone else, but too much is at risk without it.</p>
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		<title>By: Blogs For John McCain&#8217;s Victory &#187; Oppose Auto Bailout</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/rep_michele_bachmann/2008/12/08/no-more-bailouts/#comment-10</link>
		<dc:creator>Blogs For John McCain&#8217;s Victory &#187; Oppose Auto Bailout</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 19:43:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] No More Bailouts by Rep. Michele Bachmann Washington needs to stop handing out your money like its Monopoly money. Each dollar is hard-earned and the men and woman who worked so hard for it deserve more respect from their government than to be treated like an ATM. Our economy grew strong on the backs of Main Street; from the ideas and sheer sweat of innovators and entrepreneurs flush with the American spirit. Risk-taking is part of that adventure. But when government guarantees against failure, risk and reward becomes meaningless. Eventually, that will crush our economy- and that eventually may not be that far down the road. [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] No More Bailouts by Rep. Michele Bachmann Washington needs to stop handing out your money like its Monopoly money. Each dollar is hard-earned and the men and woman who worked so hard for it deserve more respect from their government than to be treated like an ATM. Our economy grew strong on the backs of Main Street; from the ideas and sheer sweat of innovators and entrepreneurs flush with the American spirit. Risk-taking is part of that adventure. But when government guarantees against failure, risk and reward becomes meaningless. Eventually, that will crush our economy- and that eventually may not be that far down the road. [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Shawn Gillogly</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/rep_michele_bachmann/2008/12/08/no-more-bailouts/#comment-9</link>
		<dc:creator>Shawn Gillogly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 18:03:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Repeating yourself is not interacting with an argument.

And saying "it's worked" when all it did was convince other members of the industry they could get away with the same tactics is dubious, at best.

Short term aid is not a strategy. It's band-aids on gunshot wounds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Repeating yourself is not interacting with an argument.</p>
<p>And saying &#8220;it&#8217;s worked&#8221; when all it did was convince other members of the industry they could get away with the same tactics is dubious, at best.</p>
<p>Short term aid is not a strategy. It&#8217;s band-aids on gunshot wounds.</p>
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		<title>By: Diogenes314</title>
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		<dc:creator>Diogenes314</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 17:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you ever get tired of the Minnesota winters, please consider moving to San Diego. The 53rd district, to be precise.</description>
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		<title>By: Kudzu</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/rep_michele_bachmann/2008/12/08/no-more-bailouts/#comment-7</link>
		<dc:creator>Kudzu</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:53:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Congresswoman, thank you for your comments and insight into the battle on Capital Hill. We need more from you and your partners there to know what the House will do to counter this massive push to forfeit the sanity of this nation's economy over to the unions. 

What's truely astonishing is that a few months ago these automobile manufacturers were the devil. They were the epitomy of evil as they help perpetuate pollution by shoving SUVs and trucks down our throats. However, now they need a bailout. They are too big to fail. They are... beholden to the unions who have strangled their companies to the point of bankruptcy. 

I don't get a bailout for my massive debt after my rough times (divorce, deployments, moving, etc...) and I have mouths to feed, not overhead. 

Does the Congresswoman support Louie Gohmert's Tax Holiday? I would imagine so but what is the support in Congress for the Congressman's bill? We need to Fight ON!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Congresswoman, thank you for your comments and insight into the battle on Capital Hill. We need more from you and your partners there to know what the House will do to counter this massive push to forfeit the sanity of this nation&#8217;s economy over to the unions. </p>
<p>What&#8217;s truely astonishing is that a few months ago these automobile manufacturers were the devil. They were the epitomy of evil as they help perpetuate pollution by shoving SUVs and trucks down our throats. However, now they need a bailout. They are too big to fail. They are&#8230; beholden to the unions who have strangled their companies to the point of bankruptcy. </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t get a bailout for my massive debt after my rough times (divorce, deployments, moving, etc&#8230;) and I have mouths to feed, not overhead. </p>
<p>Does the Congresswoman support Louie Gohmert&#8217;s Tax Holiday? I would imagine so but what is the support in Congress for the Congressman&#8217;s bill? We need to Fight ON!</p>
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		<title>By: red_oakster</title>
		<link>http://www.redstate.com/rep_michele_bachmann/2008/12/08/no-more-bailouts/#comment-6</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:32:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Look at the Bear Stearns paper. It is performing well. Liquidity is an important issue, and the government has an obligation to help. The commercial paper facility is working. The interbank guarantee is working. AIG is a mess. The record is mixed.

I believe in trading where we the GOP has leverage. Right now, the GOP has leverage on the auto bailout. I don't support a bailout here unless we get something for it. My own preference again is for an extension of tax cuts on dividends or capital gains or both.

I just find Bachmann's argument simplistic and inadequate for the basis of a conservative economic policy.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Look at the Bear Stearns paper. It is performing well. Liquidity is an important issue, and the government has an obligation to help. The commercial paper facility is working. The interbank guarantee is working. AIG is a mess. The record is mixed.</p>
<p>I believe in trading where we the GOP has leverage. Right now, the GOP has leverage on the auto bailout. I don&#8217;t support a bailout here unless we get something for it. My own preference again is for an extension of tax cuts on dividends or capital gains or both.</p>
<p>I just find Bachmann&#8217;s argument simplistic and inadequate for the basis of a conservative economic policy.</p>
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		<title>By: $peciallist</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:30:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Shawn Gillogly</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:22:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You're kidding, right? You really don't get the issue. The issue isn't whether or not the government gets the money back. The issue is that bailouts cause industry to sidestep the necessary restructuring and cause a repeat of the problem.

Chrysler was bailed out, and here they are again. The S&#38;Ls and then Bear Stearns were bailed out, and the financial sector ignored the problems that were creating the need for those bailouts. And lo and behold, here we are again.

Bailouts don't solve the fundamental industry problems. *That* is the issue. And whether or not we "get something in return" is immaterial, and indeed, naive pork-barrel politics. Rep. Bachmann is right, and you are missing the heart of the issue entirely.

And she is also right, at least in part, as to what has caused the Detroit 3 these issues. The extortion that is Michigan's Gross Receipt Tax System is another contributor that crucifies them. And their consistent lack of market foresight and willingness to deal with economic realities tops it all off. None of those merit a bailout.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re kidding, right? You really don&#8217;t get the issue. The issue isn&#8217;t whether or not the government gets the money back. The issue is that bailouts cause industry to sidestep the necessary restructuring and cause a repeat of the problem.</p>
<p>Chrysler was bailed out, and here they are again. The S&amp;Ls and then Bear Stearns were bailed out, and the financial sector ignored the problems that were creating the need for those bailouts. And lo and behold, here we are again.</p>
<p>Bailouts don&#8217;t solve the fundamental industry problems. *That* is the issue. And whether or not we &#8220;get something in return&#8221; is immaterial, and indeed, naive pork-barrel politics. Rep. Bachmann is right, and you are missing the heart of the issue entirely.</p>
<p>And she is also right, at least in part, as to what has caused the Detroit 3 these issues. The extortion that is Michigan&#8217;s Gross Receipt Tax System is another contributor that crucifies them. And their consistent lack of market foresight and willingness to deal with economic realities tops it all off. None of those merit a bailout.</p>
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		<title>By: mbecker908</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:15:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, right.

And just which banks will put up billions for GM and Chrysler?  With or without a guarantee from the feds.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, right.</p>
<p>And just which banks will put up billions for GM and Chrysler?  With or without a guarantee from the feds.</p>
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		<title>By: red_oakster</title>
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		<dc:creator>red_oakster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 16:03:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do think there are signs of credit easing among banks. So the bailout picture is more mixed than the congresswoman suggests. And from what I can tell, the Bear Stearns bailout is paying off nicely for the government (though AIG has been a disaster). 

This blog is too heavy on the sloganeering and too light on analysis. The congresswoman would do well to consult  with Paul Ryan and Sen Corker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do think there are signs of credit easing among banks. So the bailout picture is more mixed than the congresswoman suggests. And from what I can tell, the Bear Stearns bailout is paying off nicely for the government (though AIG has been a disaster). </p>
<p>This blog is too heavy on the sloganeering and too light on analysis. The congresswoman would do well to consult  with Paul Ryan and Sen Corker.</p>
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		<title>By: Incredible</title>
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		<dc:creator>Incredible</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 08 Dec 2008 15:57:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thank you, thank you, thank you.  The auto bailouts are something that I've been following since before all but a handful knew they'd need a bailout.  You hit the nail on the head with, "they need restructuring".

Why wouldn't they do this through the bankruptcy courts?  Are they also negotiating a pre-packaged C11?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thank you, thank you, thank you.  The auto bailouts are something that I&#8217;ve been following since before all but a handful knew they&#8217;d need a bailout.  You hit the nail on the head with, &#8220;they need restructuring&#8221;.</p>
<p>Why wouldn&#8217;t they do this through the bankruptcy courts?  Are they also negotiating a pre-packaged C11?</p>
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