“Strict, uncompromising values and discipline are what makes children raised by Chinese parents successful.”
– “Battle Hymn of the Tiger Mother,” Amy Chua (HT: Psychology Today)
A lot of vapid and unintelligent people found Yale Law Professor Amy Chua scary and foreign or something. Dr. Chua offered us an opinion, (from the viewpoint of a Chinese Mother) as to why Tiger Mothers raised superior children. It came down to basics. Dr. Chua lays these out below.
Sophia and Louisa, were never allowed to …:
• attend a sleepover
• have a playdate
• be in a school play
• complain about not being in a school play
• watch TV or play computer games
• choose their own extracurricular activities
• get any grade less than an A
• not be the No. 1 student in every subject except gym and drama
• play any instrument other than the piano or violin
• not play the piano or violin.
As a parent, this puts me to shame. I make our four-year old take violin, go to swimming lessons, attend Korean School on Saturday, and do extra math four times a week. I’ve trained him how to use an abacus. And even bought him “Ye Olde’ SpongeBob Squarepants Addition and Subtraction Workbook “– With Stickers!!
I’ll reiterate, Dr. Chua’s parenting puts mine to shame. Apparently, she puts an awful large number of my fellow Americans to shame as well. I congratulate her. I wish I was more like her and admire the tremendous success that her two daughters enjoy in their lives. Other people have different reactions and this, for America is unfortunate.
David Brooks chronicles well the whining and complaining that ensued over that creepy furriner (and Yale Law School Professor) Amy Chua and her martinet style of parenting. The catalogs of whines-cum unfair stereotypes against Asian-Americans follow below.
Her kids can’t possibly be happy or truly creative. They’ll grow up skilled and compliant but without the audacity to be great. She’s destroying their love for music. There’s a reason Asian-American women between the ages of 15 and 24 have such high suicide rates.
Her kids can’t be truly creative? Get out of town! Speaking from an utterly Euro-Phallo-Centric prospective, Thomas Edison had the following thoughts on creativity. It’s 1% inspiration, 99% perspiration. Less than 500 people who have ever lived qualify as legitimate geniuses, the rest of us who have done anything impressive at all have had to bust our @$$es to get it done. Tyler Durden, from the movie “Fight Club,” had the right of it when he told his Space Monkeys they were not “God’s unique and beautiful snowflakes.”
So SpongeBob Addition and Subtraction, stickers and all, won’t make my little son truly creative. He needs Calculus with Patrick, Econometrics with Squidward and then a dose of Real Analysis with The Small, Bad Plankton. Truly creative kids turn off the idiot box and knock out twenty more push-ups.
They won’t have the audacity to be great? FTW? Greatness is what? Greatness means being better than those against whom we compete. Nobody reaches greatness through sheer audacity. People who intelligently manage risk (i.e. do something “audacious”) know good and well what they are getting into, and have carefully tabulated the odds.
Another one of those Euro-Phallo-Centric Dudes, Aristotle, described the audacity to be great as follows. “Excellence is a habit.” You develop habits when you do things repeatedly. Practicing the right thing until it is second nature frees the mind. It allows you to do it instead of having to think about doing it.
After years of developing such habits, Aristotle could truly say “I have gained this from my philosophy. I do of my own volition what other men do only from fear of the laws.” It sounds like Amy Chua’s kids could probably make the same audacious statement. Isn’t that just great?
Whether she destroys their love for music is indeterminate and beside the point. Amy Chua wasn’t trying to train musicians. She was teaching her children to work and then showing them that the fruits of their labor can be readily observed. Hard work makes you better.
Keith Richards of the Rolling Stones played music for a living. I imagine he practiced lo the hours to get good enough to go on stage and perform in front of tens of thousands of fans. I imagine he found his guitar practice to be drudgery. His parents must have given him something to help him persevere. When his father was cremated, Keith snorted a sample of his ashes along with a hit of cocaine. As sick as this may sound, it was a twisted way of saying thanks.
And as to the suicide rate among 15-24 year old Asian Females, if you were a younger version of Amy Chua, and you were stranded in a strange land where all the guys who hit on you had the sincerity of Barack Obama, and the morals of Ben Rapistberger,…. I’ll go no further with the Beyesian Analysis, it could lead to rhetoric that incites violence. Then I’d be part of the problem, rather than being part of the solution, like Genghis Khan. Imagine what his mother must have been like after a botched piano recital.
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Uma Richie (Diary) Wednesday, January 26th at 11:23PM EDT (link)I believe there are other factors to consider when evaluating the success of children raised under the Tiger Mom philosophy.
Based on my parents’ experience, providing your children a stable home, holding them accountable for their actions, instilling basic (not extreme) self-discipline, and setting the expectation of A’s on every test in every major school subject will yield results comparable to those observed by Tiger Moms. I don’t intend to read her book, but I suspect that Dr. Chua’s more dramatic parenting techniques probably had relatively small marginal returns.
In addition to being more likely to have a Tiger Mom than other American children, an Asian-American teen is also more likely to live with both birth or adoptive parents, less likely to experience a teen pregnancy, less likely to drink alcohol, and less likely to use illicit drugs — all factors that impact performance in school. Being a Tiger Mom is one way to keep your children away from vices, but it is not the only way.
I couldn’t find statistics breaking out the Chinese American demographic, so I had to settle for generic Asian/Pacific Islander info. Apologies to all for lack of specific data.
1. According to a Heritiage Foundation study, 75 percent of Asian American children live with both natural parents. 50 percent of all American children live with both natural parents.
2. “The probability of having a birth by age 19 was 7% for young females who lived with both parents at age 14 compared with 21% for those who lived with a biological mother and a stepfather at age 14 and 23% for those who had other living arrangements.”
3. The 2009 teen birth rate in for all American girls aged 15 to 19 was 39 per 1000. The 2009 teen birth rate for Asian/Pacific Islander American girls aged 15 to 19 was 15 per 1000. (The Guttmacher institute includes Asian/Pacific Islanders in their “other” category comprising 9% of all women seeking abortion, but 17% percent of the general population. This leads me to conclude that the low birth rate among API teens is due to a low pregnancy rate and not a high abortion rate.)
4. In a 2002 study, AsianAmerican youths were less likely to have used alcohol during the past year than Hispanic, white, or American Indian/Alaska Native youths . Asian youths were also less likely to engage in binge or heavy alcohol use than Hispanic, white, or American Indian/Alaska Native youths.
5. From 1991-1993, 13.4 percent of all American children aged 12-17 had used some type of illicit drugs in the previous year. Only 8.5 percent of Asian/Pacific Island American children has used some type of illicit drug in the previous year.
Sources:
(1) http://kennedy.byu.edu/partners/WFPC/fagan.html
(2) http://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/series/sr_23/sr23_030.pdf
(3) http://www.cdc.gov/TeenPregnancy/LongDescriptors.htm
(4) http://www.oas.samhsa.gov/2k2/AsianYouthAlc/AsianYouthAlc.htm
(5) http://www.oas.samhsa.gov/NHSDA/Ethnic/Ch4tabfiles/ch44tab.htm
Uma, your point reminds me...
heartlander (Diary) Thursday, January 27th at 1:25AM EDT (link)…of how tricky it is to pinpoint causality.
For example, homeschooled kids score better on achievement tests than kids in general. But is it because they’re homeschooled — or is it because families that homeschool are, almost always, families that are intact and stable; families in which the father and mother are highly committed to each other and to their children; families in which the parents value education very highly.
In other words, even if the children of such families weren’t homeschooled, they are precisely the children who would be doing well in ANY school because they come from healthy, motivated, education-oriented families!
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–Donald R. McClarey
Don't Cancel Them!! Noooo....
Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Thursday, January 27th at 10:15AM EDT (link)I have this annoying neighbor. Every holiday he likes to get rip-roaring drunk with about 20 of his buddies. They take over a nearby vacant lot and shoot off fireworks at 2:15AM.
I was thinking about having my adorable little tyke hide behind his shed at 715AM the next morning and tune up with some marching Joadies from the Black Watch Regiment.
Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded *** of what’s left of that economy – James Howard Kunstler
So now I'm surfing Youtube...
Uma Richie (Diary) Thursday, January 27th at 12:13PM EDT (link)and watching the Black Watch Regiment’s Iraq/Afghanistan homecoming parade.
I’m convinced now that the merit of bagpipes is my biggest point of disagreement with Dr. Chua.
Battle Hym of The Gaellic Mother?(nt)
Repair_Man_Jack (Diary) Thursday, January 27th at 12:25PM EDT (link)Mr. Obama is pretending that an economic “recovery” is underway when he knows damn well that the banking system is just blowing smoke up the shredded *** of what’s left of that economy – James Howard Kunstler
Funny, RMJ. (nt)
Uma Richie (Diary) Thursday, January 27th at 12:51PM EDT (link)nt
Tiger Mom's kids won't have any friends
mwmom Thursday, January 27th at 5:53PM EDT (link)And neither, I suspect, does Tiger mom. If people are okay with that then I guess her model is good.
There is a list of things my children can’t do, but it defintely does not include playdates or sleepovers or choosing some of their own activities.
I guess we all measure success differently.