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Mr. Trump – You’re Fired!!

I congratulate BigGator5 for bringing Donald Trump’s total dishonesty to my attention. It both disgusted me, and reminded me that after posting this categorical rejection of Mike Huckabee as a potential GOP Presidential Nominee, I had to be fair when I blogged in anger. Thus I will dispense some more justice. Mr. Trump, get a haircut. You’re fired!

Donald Trump, to the extent that any ratiocination pierces his smug cloud, has a low, animal cunning with regards to economic opportunity. When a chance arises to boost The Donald, and hang another fancy plaque on the “I Love Me Wall,” he can smell it on the wind. He senses that the American Electorate is dissatisfied with the current President in many regards. He senses further that most of the GOP loyalists are not turning hand-springs over the quality of candidates they have to run against President Obama.

The Donald has therefore deigned to condescend. He has decided to fill the void and grace us with his august presence as a GOP candidate in the Presidential Primaries. He has minimal qualifications for the job. He is solipsistic to the point where he believes that others are the ones who need qualifications.

He therefore believes he can lie his way to relevance and attract the merry band of idiots that blindly follows any political movement. He will tell the yokels what they want to hear, ignore what the nation really needs, and get himself elected on the basis of the Average American’s ignorance and utter stupidity. He talks down to you because he has no clue where else he should look.

Evidence of his contempt for the people can be seen in his garish and ignorant Birtherism. Donald Trump has released his birth certificate. He demands, I tell you, that President Barack Obama do the same. Go to this link here, and you can find out exactly when the Trump Family basilisk egg hatched!

So what makes me so angry about GOP Candidates beclowning themselves by looking for The Fabled Kenyan Birf Surtifikate™ the way King Pellinore sought The Questing Beast? Birtherism goes to the character of the man, and makes me put Birtherist Morlocks at the bottom of my potential GOP Candidate rankings.

Birtherism is a symptom of something worse in the candidate. A person who actively spreads Birtherism as a serious plank in the 2012 GOP is a racist, an idiot or a dishonest hack. That candidate would be a racist if they believed coming from a Black African heritage (or a White, Southern American heritage) automatically, exogenous to all other variables, made someone biologically unfit to serve as POTUS. That candidate would be an idiot if they truly believed that Kenyan Birf Surtifikate™ was out there somewhere, like the truth at the end an X-Files Episode.

I think Donald Trump is worse than either a bigot or an ignoramus. A bigot can be impeached if he reinstalls Jim Crow. An ignoramus can be taught to read books and maps. As evidenced by Barack Obama’s tragic farce of a Presidency, there is simply nothing you can do with a person who considers you so utterly worthless that he can lie to your face without the slightest trace of remorse. I have come to believe that The Donald is a classless and knavish liar.

He sincerely thinks that the GOP electorate in southern states is so stupid that his demands for Barack’s Birth Certificate will get them to pull the lever for Donald Trump in the Super Tuesday Primary. Donald Trump believes in Birtherism about as much as he believes in either business ethics or the Tooth Fairy. He thinks I am stupid enough to believe in Birtherism and therefore, he will play along just to humor that ignorance. Mr. Trump, without even having to attempt to make my acquaintance, believes that I am stupid, ill-read, easily-angered and thoroughly anti-intellectual – but he wants to steal my vote anyway.

One of the most crushing problems America faces today is the fundamental lack of trust between people and government. We get told that out new Libyan War will last a matter of days, no weeks, no months. But no Ground Troops! We promise that we’ll send in no ground troops. We get told we had better pass that stimulus, or we might get 8% unemployment. We are told that Barack Obama’s latest PresBud will enable us to spend no more than we currently take in. We might as well believe that the canals on Mars really have water in them.

We, The People, (I feel safe assuming without loss of generality on this one) are sick and tired of getting told its raining while some meretricious jackal of iniquitous ill-governance pisses all over our leg. We’ve (redacted) had it! The Tea Partiers, in the most praiseworthy sense of this freighted term are RINOs. They vote Republican because they have had it with the iniquitous sacks of fertilizer in charge of most of Washington, DC. They do not instinctively like the GOP, and given the GOP’s past history, they probably shouldn’t trust us.

They voted for us last election because we came closer to representing the truth. We do not even get in the same zip code as the truth if we are making the President’s birth certificate an issue, as the Middle East burns and our government lurches drunkenly towards insolvency and fiscal obliteration. Birtherism is a carnival side-show.

If the only complaint I had about Barack Obama was an administrative hiccup, I’d currently be a proud, flaming liberal. I would troll this site and post lugubrious passages from all three volumes of Kapital by Karl Marx. So, Mr. Trump, when you make Birtherism the centerpiece of your campaign siren-song, I truly believe that you lie when you claim to be a legitimate Conservative. If I were a gentleman of means and industry; I would rarely if ever hire an individual that I believed to be fundamentally amoral and dishonest. For that very reason, Mr. Trump, you’re fired!

COMMENTS

  • http://twitter.com/biggator5 BigGator5

    Thanks for the plug.

    I think Birtherism is also a sign of intellectual laziness. If you can’t think of anything honest to hit him over the head with, then you clearly haven’t been paying attention.

    • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

      could say about a Birfer!

    • sp4prez

      just because he’s a loser in somany other ways. Great strategy,let us know what else you want to let him get away with.

  • Douglas Erley

    But why is this still an issue after all these years. It’s hardly an administrative hiccup. It’s a Constitutional requirement.

    • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

      want an easy way to get rid of Obama. They do not want to do the heavy lifting necessary to actually beat Barack Obama in an election. I think it’s a sign of cowardice. It would backfire as badly as the impeachment attempt on Bill Clinton.

      • Douglas Erley

        smacks of the same resort used by the libs. “Heavy Lifting” is why the Republicans own the House. Heavy lifting is going on every day out there. In Wisconsin, Florida, Ohio etc. You play the famous “race card” as fast as Al Sharpton. The birth certificate is a “fringe” issue in the war, but then again, so was the Manhattan Project.

        • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

          Heavy lifting involves explaining how spending billions on short term stimulus undermines our future. Heavy lifting involves explaining why we need to fight the debt ceiling. All of this is harder and less pleasant than just looking for Kenyan Birth Certificates and hoping to DQ Obama before dismantling his arguments. If we can’t dismantle his arguments, don’t expect the new GOP majority or POTUS to govern any differently than BHO has.

          • Douglas Erley

            I certainly agree with that! We are on the same page Jack, it’s just that I don’t think any arrow should be thrown out of our quiver, so to speak. We are in deep deep shineola here. Let these guys fight their fight, and we’ll fight ours.

          • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

            Let a minor non-entity do the birther stuff. I get worried when it’s our leading issue. Two reasons.

            1) Racism (as I attempted to very carefully define it above, not any GOP guy Al Sharpton is mad at this week). When our guys make a big deal about Kenyan upbringings, I seriously do have to entertain the possibility they are bigotted. For what it’s worth, I entertain the very same opinion of Chrissy Matthews when he picks on Haley Barbour’s past associations.

            2) Frivolity – The GOP can’t be seen as MORE concerned about this than we are the economy, Libya, Energy, Abortion, et al.

            We need to lead with serious issues where Barack Obama has failed our nation.

        • avgjo

          I’m not a ‘birfer’, but I know lots of intelligent people who are not racist or bigoted or any of these other things who question Obama’s background. And they ask a question which shuts me up when I debate them: why has he spent so much money hiding his past? Lots of these people have done ‘heavy lifting’ to win, as you alluded to.

          What disturbs me the most is the ‘proof by cases’ engaged in by people on our own side. In addressing the disjunct (pardon the logical jargon) ‘he wasn’t born here’ , they dismiss it with ‘it doesn’t matter anyway, we can’t do anything about it and there are more important things to address’. As you said, it is a Constitutional issue; many of the same people who dismiss it as ‘no big deal’ are the same people who freak out (rightfully so) about this infringement or that of the Constitution. When it comes to this issue, their Constitution-Meter goes amazingly dead. While not a birther, this really disingenuous argument is not part of my rhetorical arsenal.

          Perhaps most disturbing of all is how many on our side have picked up the language of the left on this issue; honest people who have a genuine concern over this issue are labeled ‘racist’, ‘bigot’ or ‘crazy’. Neither is this part of my rhetorical arsenal. The left has won this one, hands down.

          I don’t believe in birtherism. Read my posts if you have any doubts. I have never espoused it. So we can cut those accusations out now. But I know many folks who are not bigots, who are not crazy and who are intelligent folks. And I have a genuine disagreement with them, but I and many others I know are able to have a respectful disagreement with them. I wish that were true in conservative media.

          (Moderators: Mr. Neil and others, I respect you guys completely ,and I try to watch your rules. I have never promoted birtherism and this is not an endorsement of it, to the best of my ability. If I have failed, I am ready to accept the consequences, and you have my apologies.)

          • Ann_W

            It makes total sense [for the O administration to not show the bc] if you realize that by not showing the birth certificate they keep people like you, the sincere birthers, and the rabid birthers talking about it. When people on the right talk about the birth certificate the left media is able to label them as loony and racist (watch Chris Matthews show any night). So with one simple action (not showing the birth certificate) they are accomplishing 1) discrediting their ?enemies? and 2) changing the subject of discussion from serious critiques of Obama?s many policy errors to something very silly. Why wouldn?t they continue to do this? It?s a no-brainer for them.

            Let?s not accomodate them, ok?

          • avgjo

            No one is accomodating anyone as far as my post is concerned. And I’ve heard this argument; a reasonable one. But one of my birther friends pointed out that this sounds at least as conspiratorial as any of the birther arguments. If you have a snappy comeback to that, I’m all ears. And I’ll repeat : in the (improbable) case Obama weren’t born here, it would not be ‘something very silly’. It would be a Constitutional infringement of the highest order. We can argue with the Birthers in an honest way, but I repeat: to dismiss it with ‘even if he weren’t born here, that’s not a big deal’ is disingenuous.

          • aesthete

            Politics is operated on the basis of self-interest; when your enemy is shooting himself in the foot, would you stop it or encourage it? To me, that seems eminently more reasonable than the idea that there’s a conspiracy that goes back decades to… elect Obama 48 years later?

          • avgjo

            birther associates say.

            It’s sort of like the birth certificate issue itself. There’s just enough info to make a plausible argument, but it is easily denied. And it’s the sort of argument that an enemy (a lib) can dismiss as conspiracy.

            Personally, i think there’s something embarrassing on it, perhaps pertaining to his legitimacy or origin. But all of it is speculation. I do wish that when McCain was pressed for his birth certificate, he’d done the same to Obama, to illuminate the double standard. The only thing that bothers me about the whole thing is how (a) conservatives have adopted the language of the left in attacking other conservatives who are genuinely concerned about the issue and (b) how easily many (good) conservatives say that EVEN IF he wasn’t born here, it doesn’t matter. Doesn’t the Constitution matter?

            As to the notion that this is a conspiracy that goes back decades earlier, none of these folks I’m referring to have said that. I don’t have a response to these folks (the way they pose it) because they frame it as a matter of opportunism: (in their words) he is the perfect guy for implementing a far left agenda, if only he was born here. No matter, he is black and we’ll just paint anyone that asks a racist. Given the tendencies of the left, that seems just as plausible.

            Again, please understand, my only issue with so many conservatives’ position on this is how they paint fellow conservatives as racists, bigots, idiots for asking these questions. And I have some dear friends who are none of these things, with whom I have a genuine, respectful disagreement. And I don’t understand why we can’t just treat ‘birthers’ the same way.

          • aesthete

            Nonetheless, there’s basically nothing to the birther argument: again, when there is a paucity of information, and when simpler explanations have more explanatory power, why assume that Rube Goldberg machinations are behind something in the real world? The birthers’ “case” is really no more convincing than theories about the Pentaverate: both impute extranormal events, foresight and intelligence to a group that has not been shown to have it… and to what end?

            That is not to question the intelligence of your friends: in fact, the tendency is for both the highly intelligent and the intellectually lazy to be drawn to conspiracy theories, so if your friends are indeed intelligent, they fit the profile. Doesn’t mean that they’re bad people, but on this issue, they are dead wrong and have nothing on their side.

          • avgjo

            I had a buddy who started out loving President Bush, and by the time the math department at the local uni was finished with him, he had a Ph.D. and was a Truther to the bone. I don’t know how many hours I spent trying to show him evidence about this. My favorite part of the whole thing was how he though Pres. Bush was not that bright, but apparently the man was capable of carrying out the most complicated and well hidden conspiracy in history.

            And I am not saying that I find my birther buddies’ arguments particularly persuasive. It’s just that I don’t think these people are idiots, bigots, racist or crazies. (But that truther guy makes me wonder on the last…). And the ones I know don’t adhere to the real complicated one you alluded to. Their argument distills to Obie being the right guy at the right time (for the far left) and that if/when they found out he might be illegal, a little thing like the Constitution won’t get in their way. These guys don’t believe he was picked because he was a ‘foreigner’ or that he is a manchurian candidate. Again, I believe he was born here and he’s hiding his documents for other reasons (embarassing/personal); but I can’t argue that the dims would disregard the Constitution, as is their wont. With respect to the argument by people on our side of the birther controversy, the only things that bother me are the issues I mentioned. You and acat have changed some of my views re: social issues and the Constitution. Your consistency on the Constitution is commendable, and something I wish to emulate. And that’s why I do take issue with those on our side who respond to birthers saying that ‘even if’, it doesn’t matter. It’s not so much the substance of what they’re saying, as the spirit in which they’re saying it.

            One last thing if you’re still reading…

            Aside from not wanting to call somebody one of these names without REAL good reason, I guess one reason I’m not too hard is that I used to believe that one world government schemes were a massive conspiracy theory. Then I took courses at the political science dept. I always think that in the highly improbable case that these folks were proven right, not only would I regret the names I called them, but I would regret looking like such a donkey. Both happened to me with the one world government stuff, from the time when I used to throw around the words ‘crazy’ and ‘ignorant’.

          • aesthete

            There’s a newspaper announcement for Obama’s birth. Confronted with this evidence, I don’t see any way around either a massive multi-decade conspiracy or believing that Obama was, indeed, born in Hawaii.

            IOW, I don’t really doubt that the left would lie for their guy, though they tend to try for the blatant violation a la FDR a lot of the time, so I don’t even know that they’re that concerned with the fallout from un-Constitutionality. (For that matter, it’s probable that a lot of supposed conservatives would cover for “their” guy in the event of un-Constitutional action.) I just don’t see how they *could* in this instance. I don’t think that one should shun friends in personal life as a result of silly beliefs on their part, but politically speaking, conspiracists are a liability and should be cut off if they can’t be convinced of the wrongness of their position.

          • avgjo

            I’ve seen.

            As for me, I will disavow association with it publicly, but without name calling.

          • avgjo

            I’ve seen.

            As for me, I will disavow association with it publicly, but without name calling.

          • Ann_W

            Hawaii’s Obama-endorsed governor Neil Abercrombie kept saying during the election that if he was elected he would clear up the whole birth certificate issue by finding the copy of the birth certificate in the state archives. Then after getting elected he announces with fanfare that, oops, he can’t actually produce the birth certificate. He gets lots of press coverage for both events, giving the LWM some extra chances to do the “conservatives are loonies” story which never seems to get old. The footage of Orly Taitz gets better every time you see it, doesn’t it?

            If this was an issue that Obama was worried about in the slightest you wouldn’t see a member of their team raising it, and getting lots of press attention for it.

          • blooch

            If we saw it, and Barry was Constitutionally legit, you’d have bunch of discredited folks with egg on their faces who would trade one conspiracy for another by claiming some kind of forgery or other skulduggery.

            If we saw it, and Barry was Constitutionally illegitimate, the best case scenario is that you end up with some political casualties on the right, and Barry telling you to “eat this” once again. Public sympathy would gravitate to him, much as it did to Clinton during impeachment, only moreso, because who can fault a guy for an accident of birth? I know that’s not rational, but in situations like this, reason is not the motivator.

            The worst case is that a new bad precedent is set, as the Constitution’s authority is once again openly mocked, and Barry’s “infringement of the highest order” is somehow grandfathered in by pragmatic necessity. The precedent being set by fighting a sitting President over this is bad enough. Let’s not make it worse.

            Let Barry go on this until such time that it no longer matters. Then Constitutionally vet the livin’ $#!+ out of every future candidate. The time to get em’ is when they declare and file, not when they get the power to ignore with impunity.

          • avgjo

            I’m not a birther (not even a sincere one). That’s my friends, including two teachers with high college GPAs, as well as a doctoral candidate.

          • Douglas Erley

            1. You believe that the President must be “a natural born citizen”.
            2. You believe a Presidential candidate should prove the above.
            3. You wonder why he has not been compelled to show his birth certificate.
            4. You are labeled a racist, kook, hick etc. if you even raise the subject.
            5. You think that the left will “spring” the thing on you when you least expect it,
            6. You are so depressed by what is happening to this country you will cling to any hope, no matter how far-fetched.
            7. You know the Birther Movement is a loser, but you can’t help yourself.
            8. You never ever ever bring it up at a cocktail party.
            9. Your friends don’t know you have certain “questions”.
            10. You want to be respected as an adult, not a wing-nut, so you just sit back and clam up.

            I’m just sayin!

          • sp4prez

            11.If you don’t give a damn what anyone else thinks. You just want the law to be followed.

            This guy could be impeached tomorrow if everyone would get their heads out their butts and just freakin do it.

          • acat
          • gawken

            If there was any doubt that Obama was not constitutionally eligible to be president, surely the Clintons would have dug it up in 2008. Does anyone question their ability to find dirt on their opponents. I mean, if all that stood between Hillary and the WH was Obama’s birth certificate, or lack or, or somewheres in between..a BC that shows something not totally kosher) don’t you think they would have gotten the info out.

            Many say they didn’t do so, because it would have caused a backlash among black voters; they’d have stayed home. That doesn’t make sense, because it didn’t have to be linked to the Clintons. The information could have come “over the transom” say, an anonymous package left at the offices of World Net Daily. They’d have a field day with it, and it woudl be all over the MSM in a nano-second..

          • avgjo

            I engage my birther buddies, I’m gonna bring it up.

          • 20jan2013

            spot-on

  • http://www.thejoyofreason.com Greg Garrison

    You are in fine form this morning. I agree completely (and enjoyed the prose to boot). A fun fact, via Mark Levin, for the birthers, rubes, and other fools complete suckers who are liable to fall for Trump: His political donations tell a story, and you won’t like it.

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  • clowngirl

    You’d think a man with Donald Trump’s means and business experience would have hired a top notch group of analysts to read the “mood” of the electorate, find out what conservatives are looking for in their next President, find out which issues are radioactive and will get him labelled irrevocably as an ignorant fringe kook completely disqualified for serious consideration…

    But even if he’s so arrogant as to think advisers unneccessary and to think he can win the Presidency without putting much thought into the matter, why he would think a shout out to the birthers was a good idea is still really hard to fathom.

    Your explanation makes as much sense as any and it was a thoroughly enjoyable read!

    • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack
  • pat1

    He’s not really running for president. Check his record – he “runs for president” whenever he has a book to sell.

    • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

      It would fit right on in with his disrespect for the intelligence of the common man.

  • jdwhit

    I am not a “Birther” in that am not convinced that our President is not a Natural Born Citizen, however I am curious, and would like to see his actual birth certificate. I think that since “Natural Born Citizen” is a stipulated constitutional requirement for eligibility to hold the office, We the People do have the right to see his actual birth certificate, the real one. I think it is quite strange that so many are so offended by this. I also think it strange that the Obama camp has spent a tremendous amount of effort, resources, political capital and money to avoid showing the document. Why do so many get so tied up in knots over the fact that a large group of Americans want to see the document that proves his eligibility to hold our highest office? I just do not get it, unless they actually believe that he is not eligible and believe that ignoring a possible violation is better than defending the Constitution. The only other sane defense for not showing the document is that there is something on it that is very damaging to the President, What I can’t imagine, it just does not make sense.

    • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

      Make all POTUS candidates undergo background checks prior to allowing them on the ballot. I had to present at least a certificate of live birth (which the Odious O has found BTW) to get a security clearance. Make anyone wanting to be POTUS do that much at least. 2008 is gone and too late to rectify, (if BHO really is a Secret Moslem), but we can take this sort of idiocy off the table before 2012.

      • acat

        since all POTUS contenders would have to go through the process in that State – or hand the opponents both in the primary and the general a heck of an issue – so .. should be simple.

        Heard Arizona had a bill to do just that on the way through.

        Mew

    • Ann_W

      It makes total sense if you realize that by not showing the birth certificate they keep people like you, the sincere birthers, and the rabid birthers talking about it. When people on the right talk about the birth certificate the left media is able to label them as loony and racist (watch Chris Matthews show any night). So with one simple action (not showing the birth certificate) they are accomplishing 1) discrediting their “enemies” and 2) changing the subject of discussion from serious critiques of Obama’s many policy errors to something very silly. Why wouldn’t they continue to do this? It’s a no-brainer for them.

      Let’s not accomodate them, ok?

  • mxnwilson

    Obviously the left wing media isn’t taking this all that serious as I have them address this, but no media frenzy like there was when Gov. Mike Huckabee misspoke about the President growing up in Kenya. I suppose they may not feel as threatened by him?

    • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

      I won’t tolerate this (redacted) from Gov. Huckabee, so therefore, I can’t in good conscience tolerate it off of The Donald either. Standards should exist and be consistent across all candidates and ideologies.

      • mxnwilson

        Oh my, you have certainly got a lot of work to do if you try to be fair and balanced in your assessment of everything that is stated by the 2012 potential GOP candidates. One would have to hang on to every single word that is stated by them–you know much like the liberals are now doing. Of course those who flip flop on the issues and make false statements like, “I was able to see my father marching with Martin Luther King, Jr. could possibly get a pass. I am not a Donald Trump supporter nor am I a “birther” but I do think he has asked a question that many are asking, and I dare say that many intellectuals are included in this group!

  • caboose

    requires that a person be a natural born citizen to enable that person to hold the office of POTUS. So what is wrong with the people demanding that a President or Presidential candidate, prove that he/she, is a natural born citizen by presenting a real birth certificate and not a certificate of live birth. As Trump said, anyone can get a certificate of live birth. Barry Goldwater was subjected to a hearing on his eligibility to run and serve, as POTUS, by the congress in 1964. John McCain was required to prove that he was a natural born citizen, in order to run and serve as POTUS in 2008. I didn’t hear anyone being called racist because they ask the candidates, to comply with the constitution. Where were the crys and derogatory lables, such as birthers, and calling real Americans idiots, stupid and racists, for demanding that the constitution be complied with. I believe that Trump is correct when he says that “He must have something to hide because of the millions of dollars he has spent, to keep the birthcertificate secret.” O can clear this up by presenting his birth certificate and not a certificate of live birth. This is not going away, no matter how much people are trashed for demanding that all in this country, comply with the provisions of the US Constittution.O will not be eligible to run for re-election in 2012 in the eleven States, that have already passed into law, that a person must prove that they are natural born American citizens, before they can appear on the ballot in those States. So show now, or before ballots are printed in 2012.

    • http://www.twitter.com/AWG9_yoyo yoyo

      Name one, just ONE, young enterprising investigative journalist who would sit on this knowledge if it were true? This is a Pulitzer-Prize-in-the-Making that would have Watergate/Deep Throat look like a sleazy episode of CSI:Miami and would GUARANTEE that the world would know their name – FOREVER. So, by it NOT coming out that the O was born in/on/under Kenya is proof enough to me (the aforementioned “Any-Man”) that he was born/hatched where/when he says he was.

      Think about it. During the Primaries, you can bet your **caboose** that the Clinton’s had EVERYONE they could strongarm/bully/payoff/buy investigating just where his cabbage patch was located. If it were any place different than HI, she would have shrieked it from the MountainTops and would STILL be shrieking it.

      • pat1

        Off topic, but your argument also applies in science. You often hear the argument that science is a “religion” and that scientists have blind faith in, say, evolution. But you don’t win the Nobel Prize by slavishly following accepted wisdom – good scientific experiments are tests of a hypothesis, essentially tests to disprove it. A scientist achieves fame by finding something new, and disproving something that had been previously believed. No one remembers those who for centuries accepted the idea that the sun revolved around the earth – we remember Kepler, Copernicus, and Galileo for proving otherwise.

    • http://www.twitter.com/AWG9_yoyo yoyo

      It is “Birfer.”

      It is kinda like “Paultard” or “Troll.”

  • johnt

    Put it out there, there’s been lots worse, remember Bush’s 25 yr old DUI? The odd thing about the filth in our W H is that there are so many missing parts, a law editor at Harvard who never published, whose grades even at Columbia, to the best of my knowledge, are unknown, whose morally obscene connections in Chicago were papered over by a media as low as him, and yeah, at this point and with the recent stumbles of Abercrombie in Hawaii , has made this an issue himself.
    You don’t have to even tolerate Trump to see that there is a point to this. Yes, he’s a hustler, inherited big bucks from Dad, but he and the birthers are hardly the problem. The problem is a cardboard cut out from Chicago, a front man, a stooge, a puppet in the true sense, dragged in from the gutter to put a face over a leftist corporate state.
    Net, I can see why you posted, Trump is an arrogant vulgarian, but even a vulgarian can be of assistance.

    • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

      Obama has done so many wrong things. His stimulus was palliative, addictive and long-term harmful. His Death-Care Law was an imperialistic surjection upon the rights of all free men. His war in Libya has begun to make “W” look like “P” – as in Pericles. Why are we talking about this?

      • johnt

        Time to call it a day. Short version, Pericles loved Athens, and I know you are familiar with his Oration. Hannibal would have been a better example
        Anyway, we are talking about it because that’s what you posted about. Of course there are other and better issues, but the more crap you throw on the wall, the more sticks. America is awash with the dull, we are in competition for their vote. Crap gathers attention.
        My hope is we can do more as well as better and let Trump as stalking horse have his fun.
        In any event, thanks only to O, this has become an issue.

        • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack
          • johnt

            n/t

  • chihank

    to Daily Kos’s pollster, Public Policy Polling. If the poll is remotely true, I wonder how many of these so-called Birthers really believe in Obama being dis-qualified from the White House? I think these Birthers just dislike Obama and are just using a venue to express disapproval of Obama’s policies. If pollsters were to ask people if Obama is a were wolf, I think a similar amount of people would say the same thing.

    • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

      that “proved”, I tell you, that 1/2 of all regular Daily Kos readers believe George W. Bush was a Werewolf. They had to feed him cute, fluffy bunnies to sate his apetite and keep him out of trouble back at Yale! (Great analogy, BTW) I’m inclined to think Birfirism is a proxy issue. I agree with Birfers that BHO is a remoreless, walking plague. What we need to do is properly intellectually justify firing him in 2012. Birfirism, with all due respect, ain’t gonna’ cut it.

      • jdwhit

        I still do not understand your hatred of those that want to see his birth certificate. It is quite possible that he is in violation of the Constitution and is not qualified to hold the office. Why do you and others demand that those that want proof just shut up and go on their way? Why not demand the proof that should have been required before the election? If he is eligible, fine, if not he needs to step down, either way the American people should know.

        It is thuggery to try to belittle those that want to know, twist the argument to try and make them look foolish, lie about their motives, and trash them repeatedly. You and your brethren are using the same tactics that the unions are using in the “Public Union” battle. I have to ask – WHY?

        I can understand if a person really does not care one way or the other, but to fight, defame and curse those on your side of the political spectrum because others feel strongly that a President must meet the Constitutional Requirements of the office, is self defeating, and that act of betrayal does much in fomenting and strengthening the attacks from the left on this issue.

        Please try and be the kind of Republican that Ronald Reagan called for. Do not say bad things about your fellow conservatives. If you don’t agree, shut-up and find areas where you can agree. Do not wash the laundry in public. Remember who the enemy is, and save your negative comments and attacks for them. We are in a life and death fight for our country. If the “Right” does not win the next two or three national elections, and we fail to turn around the direction this country is headed, in less than a decade The America we know will no longer exist. Anyone that tries to tear down a segment of the right, or tries to foster disruption and irritation between segments of the “Right” is doing the work of the “Left” and is in fact acting as a saboteur and a traitor to conservatism. If you don’t have something good to say about a fellow conservative, just don’t say anything.

        • aesthete

          It is as insane and difficult to swallow as Holocaust revisionism and trutherism. It defies reason to believe that there has been a decades-long conspiracy to elect Obama to the Presidency by covering up details of his birth, and you have to accept this as your premise if you are a birther. Birtherism is not due any respect, is irrelevant in any practical sense, and hurts us electorally. Expunging birthers from conservative circles is warranted, in the same way that evicting Birchers was in WFB’s time was necessary.

          • http://www.examiner.com/x-1597-Charlotte-Law--Politics-Examiner Mike gamecock DeVine
          • sp4prez

            And watch Sarah Palin lead take the Tea Party express right up your a**. Like chihank said,50% of republicans is no joke. The days of you and the RINO “elites” in the GOP is numbered.

          • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

            After I have seen people bounced out the door for far far less. He has, I beleive, already been asked to moderate his responses.

          • aesthete

            Even the slobbering Palin fans (i.e, not azaero, conservative_curmudgeon, etc) are more self-aware than this. Way too over-the-top to take seriously.

          • Bill S

            … provides us entertainment value…

            (We’re watching)

          • acat

            Did that prevail in Wonka v. Slugworth? I forget.

            Mew

          • avgjo

            Aesthete is the last person I would lump in with ‘RINO elites’. And you might try classing up the language a bit. I’m a fan of Sarah Palin, as you seem to be, and you know as well as I that we are automatically assumed by many to be dumber and trashier than your average American because of our support for her. Please don’t feed the stereotypes.

          • avgjo

            Aesthete is the last person I would lump in with ‘RINO elites’. And you might try classing up the language a bit. I’m a fan of Sarah Palin, as you seem to be, and you know as well as I that we are automatically assumed by many to be dumber and trashier than your average American because of our support for her. Please don’t feed the stereotypes.

  • sundesy

    I kept reading and waiting for the “tada” moment. Finally it came at the 13th para that Trump lied about his conservative belief. So you ranted and used your writing skills to make this silly point. How conservative were Bush Sr, Bush Jr, and McCain that you are ranting about Trump?

    Doesn’t it strike odd one bit that to contest in the presidential election BHO could not produce one essential original document, we have to take circumstantial evidence instead of a direct evidence? Is America a third world country that they do not have proper record keeping system so we are accustomed to accepting exceptions for the highest position on land? I cannot get by my daily life without original documents? It is not like he has to carry it around all the time, he has to produce at the time of filing to contest in election.

    I understand BHO might be using this as a fund raising tool. To me that speaks volumes about the idiots who give money to his campaign. The so called young mush heads does not have the logical capability to understand that he is spending their future earnings now. It is possible the so called independents/moderates may be put off by this issue and give their sympathy vote to BHO. Does that mean you can relax on verifying the credentials of the contestants. In a way you are against verifying voters eligibility to vote. We just have to take their word. Right? Viva illegals.

  • dajeeps

    But I can’t figure out why I bothered searching through paragraph after paragraph of vitriol, some of which could have been written by Jesse Jackson himself, to find the point. Of course there really is no shortage of smugness and willingness to alienate large swaths of constituencies in the right side of things on the front page these days.

  • beafrank

    Trump started his narrative by debunking the ‘birther’ moniker which is par with other leftist terms like ‘truthier’, ‘racists’, ‘sexist’ and the host of ‘phob’ labels. He dismisses the position that discussing the topic puts the Republicans at a disadvantage which is the Left’s message. It is the same post-2008 election narrative the Left has been drumming about Palin being ‘unelectable’ which some of the old guard Republicans have adopted. Like Reagan, we should never adopt or accept an argument, position or label based on the Left’s terms. There is a reason they are afraid of Palin and spending millions to hide all of Obama’s paper trail. Remember the 2004 campaign with the ‘Bush is dumb’ and liberals beying about Bush’s Harvard GPA which, by the way, were public. However, after the election, Kerry’s Harvard grades were released and his GPA was lower than Bush’s. Trump is simply asking why the Obama campaign is spending millions to hide the documents. You think their release would burst the ‘genius’, ‘transformational’, ‘smarter than all of America’, ‘thoughtful’, ‘constitutional professor/lawyer’, ‘best-selling author’ and ‘speechwriter’ bubble? If Obama is a natural-born citizen, what other information does the certificate reveal? The father’s name, religion, parent’s marital status (which is questionable since Obama was married to a Kenyan wife during Barack’s birth). The only reason to hide all the documents is b/c there is information worth hiding. The Left knocks very hard on Palin attending different colleges over four years to graduate makes me wonder if Obama attended any college. His job and public service records indicate he cannot stay focused for very long. Lets see the college applications and transcripts.

    • skorrent1

      If we shy away from anything the left and the MSM is willing to scoff at, we place ourselves in a limited and defensive position.

      I cannot buy the omniscient Hillary argument. Over the last three years, the BC argument has raised several different points that should have been hashed out before the ’08 election, and will, thanks to the argument, be addressed in the future.

      1) “Natural born citizen” meant, to our founders, something more than “native born” or “born in the US”. The law-book definition at the time was “born in the nation of citizen parents (plural)”. When one has a split parentage and dual citizenship at birth, does this, or should it, make any difference in one’s commitment to the welfare of the United States?

      2) If one, as a child, spends time in another country and is registered as a citizen of that country, does that, in itself , cancel the birth citizenship of the child?

      3) If one, as a voting-age teen, declares a non-US citizenship to obtain a passport, and uses that passport to travel as a non-US citizen, does THAT, in itself, cancel his US citizenship?

      4) From school records we have learned that Stanley Ann Dunham was not enrolled at UH in the Spring or Fall terms of ’61. She was, however enrolled at UW-Seattle for the Fall term beginning a fortnight after BHO, Jr’s birth. Is it possible that Ann, an unmarried eighteen-year-old, was tucked away in her former city to give birth, and not brought back to Hawaii until the next year? This has nothing to do with eligibility, but may explain why a Hawaiian birth cirtificate is so hard to find. BHO, Jr, may not even have been told of this little deception, especially if grandparents Dunham procured the Hawaiian COLB for him.

      5) We know that Clinton made it through 8 years without disclosing his medical records, but isn’t it a little strange that almost no records of Jr’s schooling, or indeed of his State Senate service have been made public? Isn’t it fair to wonder why? We know how fiercely W’s TANG records were sought, to the extent of releasing “fake-but-true” records. Can’t we be curious about BHO without being labeled, by both left and right, as some kind of wierdo?

      Obama was elected as, and still is, the least vetted president we have ever had, to the extent that even the MSM talking heads were asking themselves on election night, “What do we really know about him?”. We have him as President for something less than 22 more months. (I’m counting the days.) But he has brought to the surface, by his silence and even more by his disregard for his constituents, and indeed his disdain for the country, that we must do a more thorough job of examining the background of anyone aspiring to the office of President.

      And that, if nothing else, is the message of the “birthers”.

  • ZootSuit

    that a large part of conservatism has “jumped the shark.”

    So there are some people even here on RedState who actually believe that nearly fifty years ago a group of Left-wing conspirators (from Kenya?) placed a phony classified add in a well-read Hawaiian newspaper falsely announcing Obama’s birth?

    Whoever these supposed left-wing Kenyan conspirators, I got to give them credit for thinking ahead. Indeed, I must give them extra credit because 50-odd years ago they could have foreseen that the United States would elect a non-White individual. I dare say that in the 1950′s and 1960′s, not many American citizens — White, Black, or anything else — probably foresaw that.

    • acat

      It’s intellectually simpler to believe Obama is ineligible than it is to do the “heavy lifting” of analyzing Obama’s position on, well, anything…. he’s very hard to get a read on unless we completely disregard what he says and just look at what he’s done…

      I give you, as an example of forced laziness, my friends’ dad. He’s an ex-Air Force pilot who has some stories about being in Libya prior to Gaddafi’s rise to power, but has developed some memory problems since retirement. He has to drive with a GPS because he needs it to remind him of where he’s going, can’t go anywhere alone because he can forget where he is or what he’s there for. Long term memory is intact, but it’s been hard to watch.

      He and his wife have recently retired and been taking several trips, all very well documented (lots of pics of them in various locations) – the hope is that, if his memory gets significantly worse, she or my friend or their other children can show him the pictures and try to exercise his memory.

      All that said, while he’s a smart guy, he cannot keep all the thoughts necessary to refute Obamacare or discuss the problems with trade policy, or to debate whether Obama’s approach to unions is good or bad … but he can sure remember that Obama wasn’t born here….

      Those who can think, but choose not to end up picking the same simplistic answer. It’s not that “His stand on unions is wrong” or “His understanding of business is wrong”, it’s “wasn’t born here”. Simple.

      You can tell this because, in most cases, all that’s necessary to show ‘em as not thinking is to say “Okay, let’s say hypothetically that the Supreme Court has declared Obama can no longer be POTUS. What happens next?” … Their inability to think is immediately on display.

      Mew

      • ZootSuit

        Although I must say that I think “racism” is the motivation behind a few (not all, not most, not even many, but a very few) birthers, I think intellectual laziness is much more generally their problem.

        However, to a very great extent, it makes no difference. Whether it be “racism,” laziness, just plain and utter stupidity, or whatever, it is remarkable that birthers and the like still get some traction within conservative circles is just mind-boggling. Yes, it does make me fear that for whatever the reasons, there is a substantial segment of conservatism that has “jumped the shark.”

        • acat

          that so many, even here on Red State where there’s a specific “birfers will be banned on sight” policy, are arguing the point.

          The point has always seemed quite simple to me – if it’s not President Obama, then legally it has to be President Biden, and that doesn’t make for a more appealing scenario… and it sets up Biden to run as an incumbent.

          This is one of the many reasons I question why Trump would be looking at running. He’s looking at a payoff somewhere.

          Mew

        • http://impudent.edublogs.org/ kyle8

          that we can’t see any of his college grades or dissertations.

          • Ann_W

            nt

    • runner12

      I don’t think that people are necessarily disagreeing with RPJ’s position on Obama’s citizenship. I think they take exception to the use of the word “racist” to describe a broad group of people. Unfortunately, in our society both the Left and the Right have indiscriminately used that word to describe those who disagree with them. In both cases, it is wrong.

      Regarding the whole “Birther” thing. I think there are two camps of people that could be incorrectly lumped together. This might explain the high poll numbers on this issue within the GOP. On the one hand, you have the dyed-in-the-wool Birthers. These are the fringe people who are 110% sure that Obama is not a natural born citizen. They have convinced themselves that he is an imposter-in-chief. I think these people are very small in number and deserve to be firmly told to step out of conservative circles.

      The second group are the people who think that there are two possibilities a.) Obama is using this as a political ploy to make Conservatives look stupid and that he is a natural born citizen or b). He has something to hide. They really aren’t sure which is true. So if you ask them “Is is it possible the Obama is not a natural-born citizen or do you have any questions about his citizenship” they will most likely say yes. However, if you ask them directly if they believe that Obama is not a natural-born citizen of the US, they would likely say no.

      It is all in how you ask the question.

      • ZootSuit

        but could just be stupid and/or insane; okay, I can agree with that. Because racist, stupid and/or insane probably does cover every birther and birther sympathizer. (Sorry acat I understand what you are saying but ultimately I include the “intellectually lazy” among the stupid; and not just regarding birthers or even politics in general. In my book, if you don’t force yourself to think, you are stupid, regardless of the subject matter.)

        What’s more, it seems that Donald Trump (and Mike Huckabee, for that matter) seem to think that appealing to the racist, stupid and/or insane is a good way to win the GOP nomination. That is if Donald Trump (and Mike Huckabee, for that matter) isn’t racist, stupid and/or insane himself. And I do not discount that possibility, either.

        • acat

          I don’t disagree with anything you’ve said here.

          It’s not all about Obama’s skin tone. We’re agreed on this.
          It’s weapons-grade stupid. We’re agreed on that.

          It’s offensive to have someone associated with the GOP, the party of Lincoln, to be pulling this kind of pander. The name David Duke comes to mind….

          Mew

          • ZootSuit

            Thanks!

        • runner12

          no matter what is coming out of his mouth. So I could care less what he says about Obama’s birth certificate. While I do not know the man’s heart, I do think it appears to be disengenuous of him to all the sudden start mentioning it. If he does think that this is a way to win over conservatives, he has another thing coming.

          As for Huckabee, if I were him I would spend more of my time trying to explain to conservatives why they should support him in spite of all of his big government ideas when he was governor. He is not gaining in support with the Birther comments.

          May I also add that while some people who are birthers or birther sympathizers are ignorant or mentally unstable, there may be others who are just plain scared. They are frightened at what Obama has done to their country and seek to grasp at any small theory (no matter how misguided) that may disqualify him from being President. It is these people that we can convince to find more productive ways to take back this country. Calling names never convinces anyone to change their mindset.