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Unleashing our Manufacturing Entrepreneurs in Pennsylvania

 Manufacturing is a tremendous part of our heritage as Americans and my heritage as a Pennsylvanian.  Raised in Butler, the heart of both steel country and manufacturing, I witnessed the decline of the manufacturing industry and the accompanying impact on struggling communities.  One of the contributing factors was the way that government headwinds made us uncompetitive against foreign competitors.  Thirty years later, the manufacturing sector across America has experienced substantial job loss and decline in output over the past decade, while our competitors like China are growing rapidly.   We still have one of the highest corporate tax rates in the developed world and overly burden industries with job killing regulations.  Over the past decade, the trade deficit with China eliminated 2.8 million jobs — 1.9 million of which were manufacturing jobs.    While some American manufacturers are prospering, the overall policies continue to undermine our international competitiveness

Under the Obama administration, American manufacturing has fallen further as Big Government policies, ObamaCare’s freedom offending mandates, and oppressive regulations make the job harder.  President Obama refuses to implement policies that will create a level playing field for American manufacturers to compete with China and bring American jobs back home.  He refuses to embrace free enterprise and manufacturing with anything other than rhetoric.  Instead, he has placed an additional burden on manufacturers that makes America a difficult place to competitively do business internationally.

The path to restoring America and opportunity for a wide swath of our citizens to its true greatness includes unleashing our domestic manufacturing potential, just as Pennsylvania is unleashing our domestic energy potential.   By reinvigorating this crucial sector of our economy, the multiplier effect on our entire economy will spur on economic and job growth not seen in three decades.  Rebuilding America’s manufacturing base will unleash new opportunities and expand opportunities and potential for hard working families.

In Pennsylvania alone more than 560,000 jobs are manufacturing related.  In addition, manufacturing compensation is just over 44 percent higher than other nonfarm employers in the state.  Nearly 15,000 businesses in Pennsylvania are manufacturing related.  Approximately 90 percent of these are small businesses, many of which are the backbone of their communities.

How can we build on this foundation and unleash the full potential of manufacturing in Pennsylvania and around the country?  We can achieve this with a simple concept that I’ve heard time and time again across America called “Made in America.”  The American people want and need “Made in America” not just for the pride of making things, but because Americans at the bottom of the income scale need the necessary skills, opportunities, and mobility that the manufacturing sector offers so they can support themselves and their families.  Across the country the average manufacturing job earns about $20,000 more than non-manufacturing jobs.  That means folks at the bottom end and the middle can move up that income scale, if we create a competitive playing field for American businesses.

Unlike President Obama, I have not raised taxes or pushed for taxpayer funded Big Government health care mandates like ObamaCare.  Instead, I have a concrete plan to reinvigorate manufacturing and make us competitive again.

My plan is to compete with China and others to win rather than to run in place or get further behind.  First, l will cut and simplify corporate tax rates by cutting them in half to 17.5% and eliminating them entirely for manufacturing activity.  America is 20% more costly than our top nine trading partners, and that’s excluding labor costs.  This policy will enable manufacturers to create jobs here in America, rather than outsourcing jobs to other parts of the world.   Second, I will eliminate the tax on profits repatriated back to the US when they are invested in US plants and equipment.  There is an estimated $1.2 trillion dollars sitting overseas which cannot be taxed.  We can use this money to put Americans to work.  Third, I will repeal every job-killing regulation the Obama administration has put in place that’s over $100 million.  The explosion of such regulations under President Obama has unnecessarily stifled America; we’ve gone from 21% of this country in manufacturing down to 9% and left the dreams of working men and women on the sideline.  President Obama has made it harder on manufacturing entrepreneurs like he has on all businesses through job killing regulations and higher energy prices.  Fourth, my “Made in America” plan is tied closely to a bold energy policy that unleashes America’s domestic energy production which will ensure lower energy costs, making it more cost effective for businesses to manufacture in America.

Revitalizing the manufacturing sector in America requires strong leadership and a strong record of support that President Obama lacks.  Unlike the President, I will not be soft on China, because I want America to compete with China and win.  While Senator of Pennsylvania, I voted to protect domestic manufacturers against illegal dumping from China.  As president, I will stand up to China on currency manipulation and confront the Chinese government when necessary when they are stealing American jobs unfairly.  I have a plan that will create manufacturing jobs right here in the United States and help us win the job creation race.  This is why the Pennsylvania Manufacturers’ Association has endorsed me and my plan.

Having grown up in Pennsylvania and represented its citizens, I know that a stronger manufacturing sector will spur the innovation and economic growth that America desperately needs.  Manufacturing once served as the backbone of America, and with a strong and robust plan, it will once again become one of our greatest strengths and an engine of economic growth and opportunity for all.

COMMENTS

  • damianvincent

    Rick Santorum has the best economic plan around. His focus on manufacturing is one of the best paths forward for this nation as far as economic growth is concerned. Sad facts here….

    For American manufacturers, the bad years didn’t begin with the banking crisis of 2008. Indeed, the U.S. manufacturing sector never emerged from the 2001 recession, which coincided with China’s entry into the World Trade Organization. Since 2001, the country has lost 42,400 factories, including 36 percent of factories that employ more than 1,000 workers (which declined from 1,479 to 947), and 38 percent of factories that employ between 500 and 999 employees (from 3,198 to 1,972). An additional 90,000 manufacturing companies are now at risk of going out of business.

    http://prospect.org/article/plight-american-manufacturing

    It’s even worse the further you go back, take for instance back in the 1960′s over 60% of the US economy was manufacturing, today it’s only 9%. I here the left go on and on about middle class wage growth, or the lack thereof, and I always come back to the fact the middle class got social mobility out of those high wage manufacturing jobs that we as a nation used to climb to the top of the economic ladder. Producing things is what got us to the top, producing things is what’s rising China to the top. I think the answer is clear, if we want to remain on top we need to stop the manufacturing jobs drain, by declaring China a currency manipulator, and renegotiating all trade deals to ensure basic labor protections are apart of any nations agreement.

    I’m tired of being asked to compete with a child in China, this is why having basic, basic now, labor protections is important, lest we race China to the bottom and start filling our factories with our children. China also manipulates it’s currency, artificially driving down the costs of their products, I’m tired of being asked to compete with artificially low products.

    Two things need to happen here to save this nation.

    Renegotiate all trade deals

    Reject free trade with anyone who doesn’t have free currency provisions, and basic labor protections. To get free trade you must practice free trade.

    • JSobieski

      Manufacturing is doing quite well thank you. The U.S. is the leading manufacturer of the world in terms of the economic value of what is produced.

      However, far fewer people are employed. Technological improvements and automation are not going to be reversed through trade policy.

    • JSobieski

      http://shopfloor.org/2011/03/u-s-manufacturing-remains-worlds-largest/18756

      The idea that US manufacturing is in decline is simply false.

      The US manufactures close to 21 percent of aggregate global output.

      China is second with 15%.

      • damianvincent

        Okay, we’ve fallen from 60% of our economy being manufacturing, to 9%. At the same time economic decline has set in, wage growth has fallen, ended, and for the love of God, it’s not technology beating out the US, the Chinese haven’t revolutionized the manufacturing process, quite the opposite they steal from us all the time. Machines and technology are not replacing American workers, Chinese children are. You think a bunch of computers are running the factories in China, no people are, people that used to be Americans, but we’ll never compete with manipulated currency, and child labor. We’ll never fix the problem with people burying their heads in the sands either.

        • JSobieski

          Our economy used to be 90%+ agriculture.

          The arguments you make apply to virtually every economic transition that has ever occurred.

          The auto industry destroyed the ability of blacksmiths to make money. Being a blacksmith was a good middle class job for someone who was otherwise uneducated/unskilled.

          Instead of just asserting things as facts that you think you know, why not look to actual data/facts?

          http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aRI4bAft7Xw4

          China LOST 16 million manufacturing jobs between 1995 and 2002

          http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/02/03/that-giant-sucking-sound-of-manufacturing-jobs-going-to-china/

          China is actually LOSING manufacturing jobs at a rate that is faster than the US.

          I realize that you aren’t going to cite any evidence in support of your position. But I encourage you to look at what is happening beyond your cliche assessments.

          • JSobieski

            http://www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2012/02/03/that-giant-sucking-sound-of-manufacturing-jobs-going-to-china/

            I agree that unskilled and lower skilled workers are having problems, and that historically, manufacturing was a panacea to those people.

            I disagree that trying to recreate the economic past can solve any present or future problem.

          • JSobieski

            Most people aren’t farmers.
            Most people won’t be working in manufacturing facility.

            We won’t be able to return to the 1950′s pre-automation era.

        • hobarticus

          JSobieski is absolutely right about this. US manufacturing is on a long-term upward trend, minus the last recession. Even after that, though, output is roughly double what it was in 1975. It’s one of those facts you don’t hear much, since it doesn’t really play into anyone’s agenda.

          Here are some helpful graphs on the topic:
          http://blog.american.com/2010/04/making-more-with-less-us-manufacturing-efficiency/

          Bonus fun fact you may not know: the US is a net exporter of petroleum.
          http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-29/u-s-was-net-oil-product-exporter-in-2011.html

          • JSobieski

            or the difference between jobs (inputs) and production (output).

            The fact that manufacturing is a smaller percentage of our economy is irrelevant, what matters is that we are #1 in manufacturing—with 21% of global production.

          • damianvincent

            Let me simplify this, take a pie graph, the full circle is 100%, each slice of the pie represents a percentage of 100%, your analogy is only10% of the problem, with the other 90% being it’s just cheaper to produce in China, due to artificial advantages due to manipulation.

          • JSobieski

            Currency manipulation is at most a 5-10% tariff.

            The fact that you look at economics as static pie, and that China’s gain is inherently our loss—-is right out of Obamanomics.

          • JSobieski

            http://www.american.com/archive/2011/december/why-we-should-thank-the-chinese-currency-manipulators

          • damianvincent

            wow, just wow.

          • JSobieski

            Table 1. The left hand column shows the number of manufacturing jobs in China. You can see that the number peaked … back in 1995.

            http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

          • damianvincent

            manufacturing has fallen from 60% of our economy to 9%, clearly we’re losing out, sure we had far to fall, but come on, a blind man could see this, this hasn’t been good for the US. Wage growth gone or falling, social mobility declining, a service based economy where a good paying manufacturing job was available for our fathers and grandfathers. You tell me that we should be thankful our middle class is losing it’s wage growth, and social mobility, for cheap crap at wall mart now. That is a self destructive economic model as evident throughout the nation. Manufacturing is what built this nation, it’s what’s giving rise to China, and we’d be fools to let them game us like this to our own economic peril.

          • acat

            Profits?
            Percentage of people employed in?

            Mew

          • aesthete

            A lower class person easily has more access to more inexpensive and better quality necessities than a worker in the 50s, to say nothing of the unprecedented level and quality of luxuries.

            Wage growth has “stagnated” due to many factors — a demographic increase in Southern states (where cost of living and wages are lower), rampant credentialism, more competitors abroad (due to governments not hamstringing themselves through Stalinism), and many others have played a role. Manufacturing is not as great a driver of employment under normal conditions in every economic situation as you imply — the post-WWII situation was a unique moment in history which no longer applies thanks to improvements in capital, and the industrialization and modernization of former Communist or war-ravaged states all over Europe, Latin America, and East Asia.

          • JSobieski

            Manufacturing has fallen as a percentage of the overall economy.

            Manufacturing has increased in terms of what is produced.

            Agriculture has fallen as a percentage of the overall economy.

            Agriculture has increased in terms of what is produced.

            Lefitst argue that the poor are worse off because the rich are richer, but one doesn’t often hear a conservative make that argument.

            Is manufacturing worse off even though it produces more than ever simply because other sectors are doing relatively better?

            If you answer yes that question, you are an Obama voter.

  • JSobieski

    If this story is accurate, I commend you for making what must be a difficult decision. You have beaten the odds in dramatic fashion more than once during this campaign. However, the math of the delegate count is simply not in your favor. A decision to suspend your campaign is the unselfish t(as well as smart) thing to do.

    We share a disappointment in Romney being the nominee, but conservativism has always been about being an adult, facing reality, and doing what one can do to incrementally change what must be changed and preserve what must be preserved.

    You ran a heck of a campaign. Congratulations for being the last non-Romney left standing.

    • damianvincent

      I’ll never vote for Romney guys, I’m sorry I just can’t sell out that bad. Romney grandfathered government mandates, signed the nations first carbon tax, or cap and trade scheme, even defended how minors could get abortions without parental consent or notification. Here is a guy who signed permanent gun bans, while hiking taxes.

      I don’t think Obama had the right policies, just was the wrong guy, therefore I do not support Romney.

      • JSobieski

        you are exhibiting zero maturity.

        Romney is no prize. He was the bottom of my list. He is still demonstrably better than Obama.

        Withholding your support in November is like a child who refuses to help put out a fire engulfing their family home.

        Adults have things that need to be done. Life isn’t pretty. It isn’t fair. Often the options vary from bad to worse.

        • damianvincent

          I don’t think so, I think it’s dishonorable to abandon your ‘principles’ for the sake of hatred of another. We can and should do better.

          • JSobieski

            Conversely, failing to make the most out of the options that you have is wasteful.

            Who is more likely to repeal Obamacare?
            Who is more likely to increase taxes?
            Who is more likely to sell us out on missile defense?

            Why not just put a tooth under your pillow and wait for the tooth fairy to make everything better?

          • damianvincent

            The guy who grandfathered government mandates is going to tarnish his legacy by undoing the same thing federally?

            The guy who hiked taxes nearly a billion dollars in his state, only he calls them ‘fees’ in true liberal fashion, isn’t going to ‘compromise’ and agree to raise my taxes?

            He’ll probably be better on missile defense, because obama can’t get any worse on that.

            Honestly though, I don’t think missile defense is going to be a key issue in this election? Call me crazy.

  • damianvincent

    Manufacturing is not going the way of farming, that’s ridiculous. In fact it’s the main if not sole item powering China’s global rise from backwater laughing stock to pre-eminent world power in 20 years. We are falling because of the flight of manufacturing, China is rising due to inflight of manufacturing. Simple equation. Stop adding variables that don’t exist, like it’s tech not people filling the factories of China, or that manufacturing is an outdated economic concept. B/S it’s more important than ever in this global, consumer based culture, someone has to make the stuff for us to buy. we need to stop making it advantageous to produce overseas in violation of our own principles and economic foundations to sell here.

    Stop Free trade with nations that don’t allow free currency, no more trading with currency manipulators, stop asking the American worker to compete with children in china, we need to ensure basic labor standard are part of free trade, or else we’ll race China to the bottom, and need to fill our factories with our children.

    Stop these two things, and watch the economy boom to all new heights in less than 10 years.

    • JSobieski

      Fewer people are required to produce more and more—EXACTLY like agriculture.

      China is losing manufacturing jobs. That is a FACT.

      Any liberal twit just repeat things over and over without providing substantiating evidence.

      Your understanding of manufacturing and economics generally is pretty minimal. I live, work, and breathe in the manufacturing sector supporting manufacturing clients.

      I am giving up on you, but should you ever decide to actually read things—you should look at the links I provided to you.

      You may also want to explore use of tools such as Google.

      • damianvincent

        Okay, I only pointed out the exact decline in US manufacturing while highlighting the pre-eminance it’s role has been in China’s rise, but it your mind your right because for 1/10 of the equation your right, but automation and technology doesn’t account for the entire problem by a long shot, like I said, it’s not technology running China’s factories, it’s people, children in many cases. They have not revolutionized the manufacturing process, they simply use weaker labor standards and manipulate their currency artificially devaluing their products.

        You want another fact

        Since 1989, the Chinese manufacturing sector (as measured by GDP) has grown an average of 9.4% year over year.

        China Manufacturing Rises
        April 1, 2012
        Chinese manufacturing gained momentum for a fourth straight month in March, helped by a recovery in the auto, tobacco and electronics sectors.

        http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303404704577316501982961574.html

        You guys don’t even have your facts straight on recent events surrounding this topic, let alone the decades long impact it has had on this country.

        • JSobieski

          Nobody denies that the number of manufacturing JOBS is lower, and continuing to get lower (also true for China).

          China is gaining momentum in terms of what it PRODUCES but not in terms of JOBS.

          That is why I made the analogy to agrigculture.

          We produce more food than ever before.
          However, we do so using fewer workers than ever before.

          Until you are able to understand the difference between output produced (which is going up for both US and China) and the impact on manufacturing jobs (which is going down for both US and China), there is no point in further discussion.

          Even a decently abled junior high student should be able to understand how jobs can go down while output goes up.

          • damianvincent

            I just posted a link showing 4 straight months of manufacturing gains in China, if you’re going to continue this debate with ‘facts’ already dis-proven, then this isn’t a discussion I’ll remain in long. Also someone who got past high school would realize that you’re points only account for a small portion of the problem. Increased production isn’t the reason manufacturing is leaving the US and going to china. It’s because of lower labor costs, of cheaper exports due to currency manipulation. The bottom line here is it’s cheaper to produce in China, to sell here, not automation, those are people not droids working in China’s factories. For someone who’s insulted my intelligence several times in this thread, you seem to display a severe lack of understanding of simple economic concepts like maybe it’s just cheaper to produce in China to sell here, a more advanced person might ask the question why is that? And the answer is artificially low costing exports due to currency manipulation, anti free trade, and barbaric labor practices like child labor, also giving them an unnatural advantage. An even more advanced person might say hey maybe we should stop this.

          • acat

            Your entire argument is based on the idea that to produce X widgets, a company needs Y workers.

            What’s happening is companies are either producing X+i widgets with Y workers, or producing X widgets with Y-n workers.

            This is hardly news – worker productivity has been growing since manufacturing started. What’s changed is that shop floor automation has *dramatically* reduced the number of unskilled labor – resulting in a much, much smaller Y.

            It doesn’t take a high school diploma to understand this, Damian. It does, however, require knowing a little about how manufacturing works.

            Mew

          • JSobieski

            nt

        • aesthete

          JSob made that pretty clear upthread when talking about agriculture and manufacturing in the US.

          • damianvincent

            Aware of that, however I’ve posted numbers in this thread demonstrating US employment loses, and Chinese employment gains. It’s absolutely silly to say automation is the reason manufacturing has left the US and gone to China. The reason is it’s cheaper, and greater profit can be reaped. It’s cheaper though, through artificial means, manipulation, which we can do something about. Unless we just assign silly excuses like manufacturing is going the way of agrarian societies, when it’s the sole cause of our rise, and the sole cause of China’s rise.

          • JSobieski

            Similarly, a lot of jobs that leave the US just disappear.

            You have this left-wing view of a zero sum economy. Until you can come to crips with the fact that manufacturing jobs are created and destroyed every day.

            The idea that because a job is destroyed in the US that it is being moved to China is simply false.

            You really should read Thomas Sowell. He has written some excellent books on free market economics that help you to educate yourself. Despite your ostensiblty right-of-center political views, your understnding of economics is very much of the center-left.

          • JSobieski

            http://www.realclearmarkets.com/articles/2011/11/03/stop_blaming_china_for_the_loss_of_manufacturing_jobs_99345.html

          • JSobieski

            http://www.bls.gov/opub/mlr/2005/07/art2full.pdf

            1995 98.03M manufacturing jobs
            2002 83.07M manufacuting jobs

            China’s number of manufacturing jobs in 2002 was less than the number of manufacturing jobs in 1987

            China is losing manufacturing jobs. Look at Table 1 on the link provided above.

            The data is clear.

  • http://thethinkingvoter.blogspot.com abierubin

    Santorum has now suspended his campaign and is no longer standing in the way of your candidate!

    • civil truth

      I suggest you step back from your computer for at least a day or two until you work out your grief response. Seriously.

      • http://thethinkingvoter.blogspot.com abierubin

        without being so threatening civil truth. I have stated a fact on all the attacks that were going on RS on RS not from now it started when there were roomers of Perry running and since then thats all.

    • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

      • http://thethinkingvoter.blogspot.com abierubin

        Pretty funny video. I most tell you mbecker908 this was the most civil comment i have seen from you. thanks

  • damianvincent

    You guys need reassess. Defending outsourcing, nominating Romney. Stuff like this just goes against being a Conservative in my mind. To be a Conservative first and foremost is to defend America’s unique and rightful place atop the world. Not to defend the institutions, and policies tearing her down.

    • JSobieski

      One of the institutions that made America great is in fact economic freedom.

      Seems to me that if you want to ban outsourcing, enact laws that pick winners and losers, etc. that you are the person advocating for non-conservative positions.

      The fact that you aren’t able to respond with facts that support your positions when confronted with basic facts that are contrary to your positions says a lot about the depth of your grasp on economic policy.

      Hong Kong has no natural resources to speak of. Hong Kong has lower tariffs than any other country in the world. Hong Kong went from backwater to developed nation in a single generation.

      • damianvincent

        Economic freedom for who? Those chinese making out by manipulating the system. It’s you who doesn’t support economic freedom or free trade, free trade requires free currencies, not manipulated ones. It requires a level playing field where everyone can compete, not just those willing to plow their children through the factories. Economic freedom is about leveling the playing field, not defending the manipulated status quo that we’re obviously losing. China beats us in the market because their products are artificially cheaper though currency manipulation, that is not economic freedom for anyone but them, they beat us in the market because they embrace abhorrent labor practices like child labor. Stop these artificial advantages, and you’ll see economic freedom rise in this nation again.

        • JSobieski

          In your view, individual economic freedom apparently involves government getting involved and leveling a playing field.

          Sounds like what liberals use to justify their policies. Life is never fair. A person growing up in urband Detroit is disadvantaged in comparison to someone growing up in Silicon Valley.

          There are two ways to approach that unfairness, and you seem to embrace the Nancy Pelosi approach.

          China is losing manufacturing jobs.
          The US is losing manufacturing jobs.
          China’s manufacturing output is increasing.
          The US’s manufacturing output is increasing, and is still #1 in the world.

          Substitute agriculture for manufacturing, and all 4 of the statements above would still be true.

          • damianvincent

            That’s not economic freedom, like Paul Ryan I support increasing access to the market, not allowing those with money to insulate their power though government. Increased access to the market is economic freedom, not defending how a few can manipulate the system through currency manipulation, and barbaric labor practices. How is that economic freedom, in your model we race to the bottom, far from economic freedom, you have us race back to serfdom.

          • JSobieski

            Let me know when you can refute any of the following facts:
            1. China is losing manufacturing jobs.
            2. The US is losing manufacturing jobs.
            3. China

          • aesthete

            If you did, you would know that the MPL for the average US worker is several multiples higher than that of your average Chinese worker — and that as a result, this “race to the bottom” of which you speak is utter balderdash when it comes to economic equilibria.

            It’s like looking at how much a CEO gets paid in sub-Saharan Africa, and concluding that in 10 years Bill Gates will be living on $50/month.

          • quill67

            Thanks Aesthete. Love the analogy. (Which is why I reprinted it in the title)

  • damianvincent

    Eh this is silly. Bottom line it’s cheaper to produce in China to sell here. They are not more efficient than us, they have not revolutionized the manufacturing process, to claim manufacturing is fleeing the US for China because of production increases is flat out silly, because we are the ones increasing technology, they are stealing it. Their advantage comes from artificial means, cheaper exports made possible through currency manipulation, cheaper exports due to labor practices such as child labor. Those are problems we can fix, but those who say we should thank the currency manipulators must have no real world experience in the US economy as it shifts from production based to service based, and the standard of living, and social mobility it brought falls further away. Not only is that just one horrible political argument, it’s just plan wrong.

    • JSobieski

      (and you can’t refute it because its true), then your description of the problem is inherently flawed.

      The bottom line is that if your theory isn’t supported by the factual data (and in your theory, China would be gaining manufacturing jobs), your theory is bunk.

      China has been losing manufacturing jobs since 1995, and it will continue to do so for the foreseeable future.

      In the global picture, China’s currency manipulation is no more a source of its salvation than a low value of the US dollar to Japanese Yen is a help to us.

      Every country except for 4th world countries is losing manufacturing jobs.

      • damianvincent

        Your claim there has been an exodus of manufacturing from china is false. The year to year totals are not that far off, especially when you factor in a pool of several billion people. That kind of drop, is probably due to production increases, I’m not saying your point has no validity, just that your assigning to much prominence to a small part of the problem, production increases doesn’t account for the bigger picture here which you’re stubbornly missing.

        Since 1989, the Chinese manufacturing sector (as measured by GDP) has grown an average of 9.4% year over year.

        9.4% Astronomical growth

        China Manufacturing Rises
        April 1, 2012
        Chinese manufacturing gained momentum for a fourth straight month in March, helped by a recovery in the auto, tobacco and electronics sectors.

        http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303404704577316501982961574.html

        Far from failing it’s growing, in the US however

        For American manufacturers, the bad years didn

        • JSobieski

          Do you understand the difference between manufacturing output and manufacturing jobs?

          It is possible for manufacturing output to INCREASE while the number of manufacturing jobs DECREASE.

          That is what all the data suggests is happening. The same trends occurred in agriculture.

          The facts are as follows:
          (1) US manfacturing output is #1 in the world, and growing
          (2) Chinese manufacturing output is #2 in the world and growing
          (3) US is losing manufacturing jobs
          (4) China is losing manufacturing jobs

          • acat

            so there’s no way anyone could make more cars with less workers using some newfangled assembly line…

            Mew

          • barleycorn

            I predict by 1915 no one will know who Henry Ford was or care.

            Automobiles individually handcrafted by artisans is the way of the future.

          • acat

            is “customizations, straight from the factory”.

            Scion takes this *much* further than Detroit ever did

            Mew

          • damianvincent

            whatever you can’t back up your assumptions with any hard facts, so on multiple times you’ve resorted to name calling, a true sign of a defeated debater. To suggest that the entire US manufacturing loss, from 60 to 9 % of our economy, and the coincidental 10% a year growth from China in manufacturing is all due to production increases is so silly as to have me questioning why I would devote some much time today even giving the notion the respect of proper debate. Yes it is possible to increase production with less workers due to technological advances, but to suggest they are responsible for such staggering numbers, that parallel each other so well, is not a very well rationalized, or fully developed argument. You’re assigning far to much prominence to a small piece of the puzzle.

          • JSobieski

            Look at the data.

            Production has increased while employment has decreased.

            Just like in agriculture.

            Look at Table 1 in the link that I have provided to you numerous times.

            Your response of “I just can’t believe it” is hardly persuasive.

            Address the facts.

            I am not saying our entire job loss is due to technology. I am saying that even if China didn’t exist, we would be losing manufacturing jobs.

            Even as we speak, China is losing jobs and sourcing to Vietnam.

            Your narrow focus on China is myopic and counter to the facts.

            If it wasn’t China, it would be someone else.

            Even if the entire world besides the US was annihilated by a meteor, after a couple of years, manufacturing jobs in the US would continue to decline.

            Largest source of decrease in manufacturing jobs: Technology
            Least important source: Chinese currency manipulation

            Yet, you focus exclusively on the least important factor, in an effort to mislead people that manufacturing 1950′s style would ever return to the US.

            Manufacturing will no more be the leading source of employment as agriculture is.

          • JSobieski

            That would suggest that our losses are more a factor having nothing to do with China.

          • acat

            Pot. Kettle. Black.

            Please either find some facts that prove your case, or accept that you may, in fact, be in error.

            Mew

        • JSobieski

          You keep citing Chinese GDP numbers, but you haven’t cited any employment numbers.

          Chinese manufacturing employment peaked in 1995.

          To refute that fact, you would need to cite data that relates to the number of manufacturing jobs in China.

          GDP growth is different than employment numbers.

          Developing a basic sense of economic literacy would really help you assess information in a meaningful way.

          • damianvincent

            Your point isn’t made anymore valid dancing around this concept, yes technology can make you do more with less, to suggest that it’s responsible for such staggering numbers is silly. You keep saying I don’t get this point, I’ve conceded that point numerous times, and have never questioned it. It may make you feel better sticking to this simplistic concept and convincing yourself I don’t get it, but try and move along here. It’s not entirely, nor the majority of the problem, vs our staggering losses in manufacturing, vs China’s massive gains. You’re looking at the same numbers I am, to act otherwise is stupid. 1978 53.3 million employed 2002 83 million employed, huge employment gains, huge GDP gains, coupled with huge US loses, like 42,000 factory closings since 2001 alone. What do you not get about this?

          • acat

            There are staggering losses of jobs, but not of manufacturing output.

            You *do* realize the two are not synonymous, right?

            Mew

          • damianvincent

            Table 1.

          • JSobieski

            and US manufacturing output has doubled since 1978

            http://seekingalpha.com/article/164676-manufacturing-exported-goods-sharply-up-so-what-s-the-problem

          • JSobieski

            Manufacturing employment has decreased in both China and US since 1995

            Citing examples of the US losing manufacturing jobs does nothing to refute the fact that China was also losing manufacturing jobs during the time period since 1995.

            I know you are trapped in this static economy model, where a job lost here must be popping up somewhere else—-but your view of economics is simply wrong.

            Nothing you have cited refutes the fact that China has lost manufacturing jobs since 1995.

          • JSobieski

            Did you even look to the chart that has the raw data cited in the article?

            In 1978 you are correct that China had 53.32M manufacturing jobs

            That number increased through 1995, when it reached 98.03M.

            In 2002, the number was a mere 83.07M

            1995 was the high point for Chinese manufacturing employment.

            Nothing you have presented contradicts that fact—as your articles are based on the same Dept of Labor report that I have cited.

          • aesthete

            The choice of 1978 and 2002 were rather arbitrary at cutoff dates. 1978 makes some sense if you’re trying to prove that liberalization has led to an increase in manufacturing jobs, as it marks the beginning of Deng’s pro-market reforms, but picking that date (and the entirely arbitrary 2002 date) as endpoints to examine recent *trends* in a liberalized market is just sloppy. The most straightforward way to present the data would be on a graph with employment on the Y-axis and year on the X-axis; of course, this would make your point readily apparent, as the graph would show an increase from 1978-1995, and a steady decrease from that time forward.

          • JSobieski

            That fact that manufacturing as a percentage of the US economy is shrinking doesn’t mean we are doing less manufacturing. We manufacture more than ever.

            What it means is that other aspects of the economy are growing faster relative to manufacturing.

            You are the person who is unable to reconcile the following facts:
            (1) Chinese manufacturing drives a growth rate of close to 10%
            (2) Chinese manufacturing employment peaked in 1995

            Your argument can’t reconcile those facts, so you just assert things that backed up by facts.

            My argument is supported by all of the facts presented in the debate.

            If Chinese trade practices were stealing US manufacturing jobs, manufacturing employment would be increasing in China.

            It isn’t.

            The basic rule of science is that if a theory doesn’t gel with the facts, get a new theory.

          • JSobieski

            Are you implying that US manufacturing output shrank after 1978?

            The evidence suggests the contrary.

            For example, the US economy with respect to the EU was far more wealthy in 2001 than it was in 1978.

            If you can’t distinguish terms like output and input, it is really hard to have a discussion about economics.

          • JSobieski

            There are 4 points to this argument, and you aren’t addressing all of the data points:

            (1) US manufacturing is #1, and increasing (You disagree, but provide no facts)

            (2) Chinese manufacturing is growing in terms of out (We agree, but much of your evidence addresses this point—which is not in dispute)

            (3) US is losing manufacturing jobs (again, we agree, so why are you providing evidence on this point)

            (4) China is losing manufacturing jobs (You disagree, but provide no evidence. GDP growth is different than employment growth. )

            So how about providing evidence regarding (1) and (4), instead of pretending that we disagree on (2) or (3)?

  • littlehouse18

    I am very concerned that we are vulnerable to economic and even other forms of ‘war’ if we don’t make sure that we have a manufacturing sector that can provide for this country. If we were faced with WWII with today’s manufacturing base I fear that we would not be able to ramp up and meet our needs the way they did then ( and they still had rationing ). I can hardly find anything that’s not made in China, and these products are of vastly inferior quality to what was made when I was a child. Not to mention that I wonder what sort of toxins are in the things my kids play with. Oh, and I don’t like my money going to that regime which is in effect our enemy.

    • conservativerock5

      1-Our main large-scale rival is China. If we got into a war, they would not get our money and we would not get their products. Neither of us would be able to wage a ground war.

      3-Any war between major powers will be nuclear. The days of mass troop warfare is over.

    • aesthete

      that can more than provide for the country.

      What major competitor presents the threat that the Axis Powers did, and how are we unprepared to meet that threat? The closest thing to peer competitors we have are Russia and China, and both are laughably far off from where they’d need to be to even come out OK in our respective spheres of conflict (land-based warfare for Russia, naval for China), much less win.

      China makes cheap consumer goods and electronics. We make airplanes and high-quality manufactured goods. We have plenty of domestic small arms manufactories, as do our allies in Europe. This notion that we’d be unprepared for China is not based in reality at all.

    • JSobieski

      It employs fewer people to produce a lot more output, but if the issue is production capacity—we have that in spades.

      Particularly if you focus on the big ticket items—planes, boats, cars, rockets, etc.

      The argument was about protecting US jobs (an economic argument), not US security (a non-economic argument).

      There is no economic argument for doing anything drastic re: China.

  • GregInFla

    Rick Santorum submitted another good diary and commenters stayed on topic and it did not devolve into a bash-Santorum-fest. Thank you all, and to Rick for using RedState to get your messages out.

  • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

    Your tax plan is nothing more than fiddling on the edges and will increase the cost of compliance. The problem for manufacturing is not taxes, it’s regulation. You wouldn’t understand that, being a creature of Washington and centralized government.

    You won’t be missed. Try to find a job in the private sector, you’d learn what the real world is all about.