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The Death of Morality and the End of America

Last week it was announced that Huffington Post blogger and Columbia University professor David Epstein–who pleaded guilty to incest with his adult daughter–will be allowed to keep his $40,000 a year teaching position. This decision comes even as we learned that he had sexual relations with his biological daughter on school property. If you thought all this was clear grounds for the university to fire this clearly unbalanced miscreant you are naive indeed.

The left has long embraced the view that our morality was not only subjective, but a barbarous relic of the past best left behind like all the other great and noble ideas of Western Civilization. The left has promoted the myth that others have no right to judge you no matter what you’ve done, that you should feel no shame no matter how depraved your actions are. And all Americans have to one extent or another embraced that notion. We wallow in our pens of decadence covered in the filth we pretend is freedom and watch the world built on 5,000 years of Western morality burn around us.

We place so little value on life that unwanted babies are being slaughtered by their parents – and that’s not a metaphor for abortions. I’m talking about a wave of infanticides so common the media barely reports on them:

In Knotts Island, North Carolina a 16-year-old girl named Rebecca Blackmore gave birth to a little girl then stabbed the child to death and hid the body in a closet. She then went to a hospital to seek treatment for herself, the same hospital in which North Carolina’s safe haven law allows mothers to drop off their unwanted newborns no questions asked. I assume she couldn’t have been bothered to carry the baby with her.

In Lake Ariel, Pennsylvania two 20-year-olds, Jennifer Barrise and Christopher Fitzpatrick, gave birth to a daughter that would have been their second child. Barrise and Fitzpatrick claimed they couldn’t afford another child so the “father’ took the newborn behind his place of employment and dropped a cinderblock on her tiny head. Twice. Pennsylvania also has a safe haven law but the pair murdered the child instead.

Molly Jane Roe wasn’t the biological mother of the infant she killed. She was the girlfriend of the father. At some point while babysitting the girl Roe became angry at the father and by her own admission threw the infant against a wall. That wasn’t the whole of the abuse though, authorities found severe bruising to the child’s vaginal area and a bite mark on the child’s back. No one knows for sure why Roe raped and murdered the child, or why she thought she could get away with it.

It is here that we can see the malign influence of the boundry-less left at its very worst. A culture that doesn’t even ostracize a man who was lecturing the right on the morality of torture while defiling his daughter will always produce child abusers, child rapists, and child killers. But the left is not alone in accommodating and even encouraging our cultural debasement. The right – supposed stewards of Western tradition -  have been glad in recent weeks to give the same fellatious treatment to criminals and degenerates for which the left is known.

One need look no further than the reaction to Thomas Ball, the child abusing deadbeat father who set himself on fire after writing a “manifesto” that explicitly calls for burning down court buildings–while people are still in them. In that document he admits busting open his 4-year-old daughter’s lip after she wouldn’t stop “licking him” while he put her to bed, which frankly sounds like a perverted lie. He admits to being $3,000 behind in child support though he could have easily gotten the money and that he was committing suicide specifically to avoid being punished for not paying. He set himself on fire to avoid paying for his own child’s expenses.

But he’s a “warrior” fighting for “men’s rights” against an unjust system according to some. A man who thinks nothing of breaking open a 4-year-old girls lip for “licking him” (which is clearly either something he dreamt up or taught her himself) is a “warrior” to people on the right. A man who commits suicide is now an idol to people who otherwise will tell you they believe in Christian morality. Correct me if I’m wrong but my Christian friends believe the great warrior Thomas Ball is burning even now for committing the Hell-worthy sin of suicide, but some will still hold this animal up as some sort of hero?

Or there’s the online right’s reaction to the Courtney Stodden marriage. The 16-year-old aspiring country singer has married her “manager,” a 51-year-old character actor named Doug Hutchison. One would think that decency would demand that people at least feign disgust at the exploitation of a damaged child by a predatory ne’er-do-well who basically purchased the girl from her trailer trash family. Instead the creepy cradle robber has received equally creepy support from big name bloggers who attempt to titillate their audience with “child modeling” videos. Worse, one blogger claimed that being disgusted by this or someone intervening on this child’s behalf would be Taliban-like and could “destroy families.”

Because being against families selling their daughters to rich old men is exactly what the Taliban stands against.

We live in a society so corrupt that incest is considered a minor foible. Our society has fallen so far that people who are considered intelligent and thoughtful feel comfortable calling a deadbeat father who bloodied a toddler’s lip a victim of the court system, and when he kills himself they proclaim him a hero. As a culture we have laid in the gutter so long that you have to explain to people why the middle aged “manager” of a teen whose family has been selling her as a sex object since she was at least 14 shouldn’t be having sex with her.

We accept all this and refuse to name it as what it is. Evil. Having sex with your own child is evil. Beating a toddler is evil. Depriving your child of resources is evil. Scarring that child for life by committing public suicide is evil. Taking advantage of a teen who is in more need of a mentor than a sperm donor is evil. But in America today all these things are accepted, condoned and encouraged.

So is it any wonder that this post-modern Sodom and Gomorrah produces Rebbeca Blackmores and Molly Roes? Is it really a shock to see young couples smash in their newborns heads rather than go through the “inconvenience” of dropping them off at a hospital? We can hardly be bothered to speak out against men having sex with their own daughters, or tormenting their families. Instead we reward those people with praise, sympathy and celebrity. Christopher Fitzpatrick expected the same support when he crushed his daughter’s skull.

And he will probably get it.

There is a lot of energy on the right to take back our country from the neo-Marxist left, to save our economy and our way of life. But why? Do you envision any future with people who think incest is acceptable? Do you want to live in a world where deadbeat fathers burn down courthouses, a la Thomas Ball’s manifesto, whenever they lose a case? Can you really put your faith in the vermin that infest both the right and the left?

America is not salvageable, not because of our unsustainable debt or the partisan divide but because the majority of Americans have accepted subjective morality. Incest, rape, child murder and exploitation of children can all be rationalized and justified in our society by a people so debased that they promote our moral decay as “progress” or “liberty” and vilify any voice that espouses Western moral tradition. So why should any of us work to stave off a collapse that our valueless culture makes inevitable?

To do anything but prepare yourself and your family for life in the third world America these people are creating, and the new Dark Ages that will follow the collapse of the last bastion of Western Civilization, is madness. It is time to climb out of the gutter and build a bulwark from the chaos these people have set in motion.

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  • lineholder

    On moral issues, I’m very much so inclined to think the same way about the direction that our nation is heading in. However, I have to admit that as I got closer to the end of this diary, I found myself more than a bit disturbed at what was being conveyed…that we should just give up.

    Under no circumstances will I ever stop believing that there is hope for this nation to return to a state of higher moral standards. Ever. Under no circumstances would I consider just giving way to evil as being the right thing for me to do. And I am determined to try to do what I can within the means that I have to try to encourage those around me to set high moral and ethical standards in the lives that they live.

    If it hadn’t been for your last line, I would probably being giving you a fair piece of my mind, but it was in reading your closing comment that told me that you aren’t likely to give up hope either.

    A bulwark we once were, and it is still possible that this can be restored.

    • avgjo

      These are dark times. We’re going through a winnowing. Ask Gideon about that! But also remember how it turned out with him.

      The winnowing is key…those left must be willing to not only stand for what’s right, but to call out what is wrong. Quit saying ‘mistaken’ when you mean ‘liar’. Quit saying Obama (or whoever) is well-intended when the opposite is true. Quit saying that you are personally against sin X but you won’t call anyone else out on it or fight against it. WE must be hot or cold, but never lukewarm.

      • http://theheartlander.wordpress.com/ heartlander

        Being “civil” is way overrated, in my opinion — and indeed, is often a cop-out.

        We need to quit being too nice for our own good.

    • youngconstitutionalist

      This entry definitely points out the moral problem we face, but I am not going to give up, and I do not think all hope is lost. So many conservatives I know, even some who have religious beliefs that seem to run to the contrary, have given up and are ready to just let it happen. Sarah Palin said yesterday in Pella, “we’re gonna go down fighting,” and, well, if we’re going down, let’s do it fighting.

      Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst.

      • http://theheartlander.wordpress.com/ heartlander

        I’m with you, lineholder and youngconstitutionalist. I can’t see giving up. I always remember the words of Edmund Burke: “All that is necessary for the forces of evil to win the world is for good men to do nothing.”

        yc, your advice is wise in every era: Hope for the best. Prepare for the worst.

        • rightwingmom52

          never underestimate the power of a ticked off woman fighting to protect her family and her country. Go down fighting indeed.

  • http://www.greenvilledragnet.com Rob Taylor

    It’s time to realize that saving our families and communities must be the priority. How will we return to a higher moral standard when even people on the right promote immorality as heroic ans acceptable?

    • dodiafae

      It’s like you’ve been reading my mind… how can we claw our way out of this hell-pit we’ve dug for ourselves when it seems that everyone places so little value on the most vulnerable members of our society, our future? It really does feel like a return to the dark ages…

    • avgjo

      immorality.

      Before we can take on the left and win, we must clean out our own home. The two biggest problems on our side are GOP politicians (not statesmen) and weak spiritual leaders (pastors, priests, rabbis, whoever else). They both see opportunity in compromise: their job becomes easier – standing on principle can be very unpleasant, even dangerous, just ask Jesus- they can make more money, get more position or be liked by more people; and on top of it all, they get to keep their key constituents! So John Boehner can compromise on the budget or debt ceiling, making the Capitol Hill cocktail crowd happy (and still get to golf with Obama!) and keep his constituents; who else do those rubes have? Rick Warren will speak in nice, general terms, and refuse to take a strong stance on preserving marriage against what God Himself called an ‘abomnation’; that lets him keep selling books and growing that big ol’ megachurch. A lady I know (from WWII generation – her husband was our pastor and served 3 years in that conflict) said about those mega church pastors that if they preached the consequences of sin, they’d lose 3/4 of their congregation.

      But they do all this because good people don’t raise their voices. We’re too tolerant of wrong or too scared to say anything. That’s why we rarely hear anyone say ‘lie’ in public discourse; they say ‘ mistaken’ or ‘not accurate’. When that rep told Obama he lied, he received mega donations in 24 hours.The people are desperate for a real leader – and a real leader calls a spade a spade.

      The pastors of the olden time (in the Revolutionary period) were very outspoken on right and wrong, liberty and tyranny. A great start would be for us to require of our pastors/priests a strong stand on principle and to tell us the truth regardless of the consequences. This would be a salve on the society’s wounds.

      • http://www.greenvilledragnet.com Rob Taylor

        It’s easy to criticize politicians and clergy – but what about popular “thinkers” or people you pal around with? What about people who support us otherwise but – let’s just say – use their platform to convince people it’s acceptable for older men to explaoit teens for sex? Where’s the outcry on that?

        Thomas Ball is not a hero – he’s a criminal. Isn’t it more improtant we challenge people who think he’s a hero than GOP political maneuvering?

        • avgjo

          thought process which forms their opinion is influenced by their spiritual and political leaders. That’s why its key to deal with that.As far as one’s associates, it is up to you and me to stand for right and speak up. You must cry out; I must cry out. Yeah, we might be the only ones -at the beginning.But think of how many revivals of society have started that way. Anyone I pal around with who promotes the exploitation of teens is gonna get more than he bargained for. But I do my best to avoid such people. As far as popular thinkers, if you me and others beat the drum loudly and persistently, their popularity and credibility diminishes.

          And please don’t misunderstand what I’m saying about GOP leadership: I’m only concerned with political maneuvering as far as it uses and abuses morality.

          • http://www.greenvilledragnet.com Rob Taylor

            But I don’t see anyone doing that. For example I’ve beat the drum against child exploitation for more than five years now – and the message has never been accepted by many on the right who openly promote ideas like legalizing child porn etc. But thank you for your efforts.

          • aesthete

            wants to legalize child porn? No, seriously: I’ve never seen anyone on the right stump for that.

          • http://www.greenvilledragnet.com Rob Taylor

            Though she was extreme enough to advocate actually legalizing making child pornhttp://www.thepolitic.com/archives/2008/04/25/libertarian-presidential-front-runner-defends-child-porn/

            Many want possession of child porn decriminalized. Alex Knepper is still a blogger at rightie sites after actually post child porn on the web

            http://rightwingnews.com/blogosphere/david-frum-and-his-pro-pedophile-protege-alex-knepper/

            Before that he was given paid positions by right leaning groups largely because he wrote a series of disgusting articles that claimed rape victims had it coming.

          • aesthete

            have already be ostracized from both the libertarian and conservative movements, respectively: Mary Ruwart is as much a serious contender for any elected office as I am (and is no figure of consequence among libertarians), and Alex Knepper, as far as I know, blogs exclusively at David Frum’s pathetic excuse for a blog ever since the expose on his actions was made clear. He was fired from the few right-wing blogs he had connections to beforehand, and has been banned from commenting, as well. FYI, D Frum is no longer part of the right in general: his forum, FrumForum, is more dedicated to reveling in its “fair-mindedness” and “centrism” (which per FrumForum, means full-on support of sexual deviance, nation-building abroad and big government), and attacking libertarians and conservatives for not being “serious” (which apparently means not accepting enough liberal premises). It’s rather odd to accuse conservatives of being too accepting of deviance, when in the two examples provided conservatives have distanced themselves from such filth to the extent that is possible (i.e., disassociating from them). What actions do you think were unbecoming of conservatives as a whole in both cases, or what could they have done that they did not do?

          • JSobieski

            You point to a freekish individual whose beliefs are not truly indicative of any group and attempt to tar the group with those freekish beliefs.

            How is that any different than liberals finding some “traditional values” supporter who is a racist and then labeling all conservatives racist?

            Ron Paul is a Republican candidate for President. Does that mean that any Ron Paul position is indicative of Republicans generally?

            I have no doubt that we can find conservatives who have committed crimes like murder, rape, theft, etc. Does that make all conservatives criminals?

          • lineholder

            If it is any consolation, and I’ve learned this the hard way, one of the most difficult things to face in life is to define evil for exactly what it is, and most people won’t do that. We’re walking talking paradoxes…human beings are inherently evil but have a natural aversion to evil at the same time. People don’t want to talk about it. They’d rather deny the truth or make excuses for it or justify it away, even if it means accepting societal standards that they know deep in their hearts isn’t morally right, especially if elements of evil have crept its way into their own heart and mind.

            But that doesn’t mean we should just give up, Rob, and I hope you won’t. This may sound like a cheap cliche…a little salt can go a long way, and we’re encouraged to be the salt of the earth. Just keep trying, sow seed where you can when you can and let God do the rest in His own way and His own time.

      • runner12

        support of prop 8 was what helped it pass, at least that is what was reported in the media. And while I can agree that churches need to be more outspoken regarding our responsibilities as Christian citizens to fight tyranny, I must correct you on your misreading of ” mega churches,”

        As an attender of one and a family member of several who work at one, I can unequovically say that there are many out there who boldly preach the consequences of sin and are as solid as it gets. I say this not as a means to begin a church turf war or in a defensive way, but to encourage you and others that there are good churches out there.

        Churches are beginning to get it. One of my family members who works for a church is reading a book called “When Helping Hurts.” it is basically challenging churches to change the way they do charity, to provide a hand up and not a hand out, and to quit abdicating that role to the government. I look forward to reading it next.

        • http://theheartlander.wordpress.com/ heartlander

          …who were key to getting it passed.

          Heaven knows it was the Mormons who were targeted afterward by the radical-gay activists. (They didn’t DARE criticize the black churches — not publicly, anyway.)

          • runner12

            of people and yes, both the Mormons and Rick Warren were attacked for it. However, Warren created some controversy in 2009 when he seemingly back pedaled his support for Prop 8 in an interview with Larry King. To be fair, he issued statement clarifying his comments by saying he meant he was not actively involved in the campaign for prop 8, but still supports marriage between a man and a woman. This was most likely due to the concern expressed by his congregants over his comments.

            Like politicians, there are pastors who want to be liked by the media rather than speak truth. They forget that there is a loving way to speak truth. But not all mega church pastors are like this.

            Okay threadjack over, I apologize to the diarist.

  • Aaron Gardner

    You post kinda fell off a bit at the end, as in, I wish you’d given a call to action, but overall I agree with what you are saying.

    America’s rise and fall is related to it’s moral founding. At present, we have been found wanting.

    • http://www.greenvilledragnet.com Rob Taylor

      People should be aware of, and prepared for, the new reality.

  • http://theheartlander.wordpress.com/ heartlander

    Saw this wonderful comment by Christopher Taylor in a thread the other day at Ace of Spades responding to the New York vote to legalize same-sex “marriage.” I think it also applies to abortion, pornography and any of the other “social issues,” which so many libertarians and others keep telling us are “irrelevant”:

    [P]retending this is irrelevant “because we have bigger problems” is like missing the gushing artery because you need to focus on how you feel so weak and dizzy. The gushing artery is why you feel that way.

    Moral decay and a deliberate, systematic corrosion of virtue is why we are seeing the problems pile one on the other. This is a direct, one to one causation, you trace the present problems to the past corruption of basic ethical values and traditional virtue.

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  • aesthete

    I’m honestly not sure where you got the idea that most people support and consider rape, incest and the like to be heroic, but I hope never to visit that place. There are always going to be reprobates in any society — such is the nature of fallen man, that he recoils from God’s laws. Nevertheless, I would not say that the fall from, say, 50s-style Leave It To Beaver morality to today is as stark as you portray. I had never heard of Thomas Ball until today — ditto many of the other examples that you provided. I imagine that the same can be said of the vast majority of Americans. Your examples of depravity are disturbing, but only serve to prove that evil (and a ready apologetic justifying it) exists in a fallen world.

  • rightwingmom52

    How do you propose we climb out of the gutter and build a bulwark?

    You ask why should any of us work to stave off a collapse that our valueless culture makes inevitable. First, nothing is inevitable save that God and good will triumph over Satan and evil in the end. In the meantime, I’m not willing to concede the fight for what is good and decent. Second, living a good and moral life is still the best, most fulfilling option there is for you, your family and those around you. Third, for every Thomas Ball or Molly Roe or Rebecca Blackmore, there are still good, decent people in this world, many who have overcome evil in their own lives.

    Coincidentally, our sermon last night was about I Pet. 5:8, the verse that describes Satan as a roaring lion, seeking whom he may devour. A frightening thought indeed, but we are given the tools with which we can fight this evil enemy. If you have any interest at all in a further discussion, please feel free to email me at warbington3 @ att.net. This is not an attempt to proselytize. You just sound very discouraged, and I hope to offer some words of encouragement, but I don’t think this is the proper forum in which to do so.

  • aesthete

    nt

  • http://www.greenvilledragnet.com Rob Taylor

    Who do just that. I linked to three very popular right leaning blogs that have heroicized a suicidal dead beat psychopath and winked and nodded at a family selling their 16-year-old daughter to a hack actor pretending to be her manager. One blog found video of the girl when she was 14 and ran it to titillate their audience. This is not hidden, it’s very out in the open.

    You may not have heard of these specific stories – but you’ve heard of and perhaps frequented those bloggers, no?

  • http://christopherrenner.blogspot.com Christopher Renner

    Seriously, Rob Taylor, how much time did you waste writing this drivel?

    Your “argument”, as best as I can tell, is that a) you’ve got several anecdotes that involve EvilScummyPeople doing EvilScummyThings, b) Stacy McCain wrote a suggestive post about a pretty girl (OMGWhat’sAmericaComeTo!!!!!), c) Donald Douglas neglected the facts of a case in his zeal to bash Amanda Marcotte, and therefore d) AMERICA IS DOOMED!! QUAKE IN FEAR NOW!!!

    There are plenty of other right-wing sites you can use to manufacture outrage. You should really consider them, and save RedState for when you’ve got a real problem to talk about and a real solution (and “boycott these other bloggers” isn’t a solution).

  • http://www.greenvilledragnet.com Rob Taylor

    Communities may be saved – but America has already declined. The empire has fallen and we will never see America be a great power in the world in our lifetime.

    As for specifics – bullets beans and band-aids.

    My point though isn’t about the criminals – the same people we on the right support financially on the web lionize Ball. We thus promote his evil by bankrolling those who further his message. I would like to see that stop.

  • rightwingmom52

    and we have plenty of bullets, working on the beans, but no supply of band-aids. I’ll put that on the list.

    As for those you say lionize Ball, I have to plead ignorance. I really paid little attention to this story, and I don’t know who is furthering his message. Can you send a link or two my way so I’m better educated on the matter?

    Thanks, and stay in touch. At some point, those of who have prepared our bulwarks may need to pool our resources. In the meantime, I’m gonna keep praying.

  • http://theheartlander.wordpress.com/ heartlander

    …I just refuse to throw in the towel.

    “We will never see America be a great power in the world in our lifetime”?

    PLEASE. Didn’t folks say the same thing when Jimmy Carter was President? Where would we be if Winston Churchill had thought the way you do? Come on. It ain’t over till it’s over.

    Thad McCotter, for one, sincerely believes that America’s best days are ahead. I encourage folks to read his wonderful book, Seize Freedom!

  • rightwingmom52

    Glad it didn’t come off as too much since I found myself wanting to preach and expand on the sermon I heard last night. I had to pull back quite a bit before I finally hit the button.

  • rightwingmom52

    I want to know so I can stop.

  • http://www.greenvilledragnet.com Rob Taylor

    This is the “manifesto” he left before setting himself on fire. Read the whole thing, it’s sickening.

    http://www.sentinelsource.com/news/local/last-statement-sent-to-sentinel-from-self-immolation-victim/article_cd181c8e-983b-11e0-a559-001cc4c03286.html

    In this attack on some lefty a prominent conservative blogger calls the above screed “remarkable” and sympathizes with the man who would rather set himself on fire then pay $3,000 in child support.

    http://theothermccain.com/2011/06/25/the-beast-of-babylon-wears-bangs-amanda-marcottes-pure-feminist-evil/

    And as I point out, another claims that a suicide note that says we should set courthouses on fire with people in them is not the work of a madman.

    http://drhelen.blogspot.com/2011/06/my-take-on-thomas-ball-case.html

  • aesthete

    I have never read or heard of American Power. The Other McCain seems to be more critical of the parents’ decision to objectify their daughter through modeling; he did not, as far as I can tell, condone the marriage in question or the parents’ decision. (I’m not sure which is the third blog that you reference; the links to the blogs were mixed in with some others.)

  • rightwingmom52

    I’ve never heard of either blog, much less read them, and I couldn’t find the third blog as well.

    While I appreciate the information you have provided, you really didn’t answer my question below. You said, “My point though isn

  • http://jhpruitt.blogtownhall.com/ kipling

    Romans 1:18-32 makes it clear that when a nation, a people, or a person abandons the knowledge of God then they descend into an abyss of increasing evil. You cannot stop with just a little evil. Once you reject God you are in for the ride. We have seen this in the United States. The acceptance of abortion has led to a multitude of other evils and has cheapened human life to the point of infanticide – which our President has supported in the past.

    The irony is that the punishment for rejecting God in Romans 1:18-32 is that God gives those who reject Him everything they want. Note the repetition of “God gave them over….” You want to live in a world that cheapens human life then here you go – abortion, infanticide, high crime and murder rates, death panels, etc.

    The only hope is to turn and go back – to acknowledge God and to order our lives accordingly.

    “Stand by the roads and look, and ask for the ancient paths, where the good way is; and walk in it, and find rest for your souls.” (Jeremiah 6:16)

    Churches need to stop worrying about their non-profit status and boldly proclaim the Word of God against the evils of today and those who promote and enable those evils. We need to hear more “thus sayest the Lord” and less “let’s all get along.”

    In a quote once attributed to Alexis de Tocqueville:

    “I sought for the greatness and genius of America in her commodious harbors and her ample rivers – and it was not there . . . in her fertile fields and boundless forests and it was not there . . . in her rich mines and her vast world commerc – and it was not there . . . in her democratic Congress and her matchless Constitution – and it vas not there. Not until I went into the churches of America and heard her pulpits flame with righteousness did I understand the secret of her genius and power. America is great because she is good, and if America ever ceases to be good, she will cease to be great.”

    Whether the quote came from Tocqueville or not, it is true in its implications.

  • lineholder

    was “drhelen”. I found this one. Her creds listed a degree in forensic psychology. Also found the piece Rob mentioned. She does say that Ball “is not a madman”. In her opinion, his suicide was a drastic attempt to draw attention to men’s rights.

    It isn’t a conservative website. Moderate at best, with a touchy-feely sort of response to things.

    But even if these claims were 100% true, I still wouldn’t see it as justification to simply give up, go away and hide in a corner somewhere, waiting for the worst to happen. That kind of response would completely and entirely doom the future of our nation.

  • rightwingmom52

    I’ve just never heard of any of these blogs. I see Rob’s point, but was looking for some confirmation that those “we” support by reading and donating to are supportive of the situations he described.

    Your last paragraph is 100% correct, and in fact, my Christianity demands that I not give up. I try to focus on the good in the world (which is increasingly difficult), but sometimes it’s good to confront evil like Rob describes head on instead of burying our heads in the sand. I have many friends who live in a bubble which seems especially true in smaller, Southern towns. They believe in Satan and evil and hell, but aren’t really aware of some of the more vicious things going on in the U.S. (e.g., the anti-Christian rally in San Francisco where they had the Hunky Jesus contest which was one of the vilest things I’ve ever read about). It’s good to know there are others in the world who still believe in morality, decency, goodness and aren’t ready to throw in the towel.

  • http://www.greenvilledragnet.com Rob Taylor

    That’s the point. You’re claiming it’s no big deal to sexualize children. That’s a lack of morality.

  • lineholder

    I’ve lived in the south my entire life, so I know how Southerners can be about this one, too. I grew up in a good home with really strong, Christian parents. But they weren’t much on talking about what evil truly is.

    There’s a human quality or trait called discernment that is necessary in order for a person to learn how to make wise choices in life. Discernment lets the person differentiate between two or more things, like good and evil, right and wrong, truth and lie, etc. And I can tell you for a fact that if a person doesn’t develop this quality, they can end up being very easily deceived by things in life. I lived a lot of years of my life with this particular weakness.

    Anyway, you know how Southerners can be about common courtesy and traditional values, and they often pull old sayings into the context of situations…like “If you can’t say anything nice don’t say anything at all”. And in doing so, what is said is dictated by whether or not it is “nice”.

    That’s all well and good, except that when it comes to recognizing and understanding that when it comes to what is of evil that exists in this world we live in…there’s nothing about evil that is nice or pleasant. It never has been and it never will be. It’s always an ugly reality that most of us tend to want to avoid anyway, without adding more onto it.

    For me, I guess you could say that God took pity on me and provided the discernment that I had been lacking. But I had a horrible time with it, given my age and so many experiences behind me. I can still remember my father’s face the first time I asked him why he and my Mama had never talked about what evil is when we kids were growing up. He said, “I just assumed you understood”. Then it hit him that I hadn’t understood. I had never developed the depth of discernment that would let me “get it”, so to speak.

    The primary reason I’m sharing all this is that people can mean well, making these kinds of assumptions. But when it comes down to it, given how low the moral standards truly are across our society as a whole, making these kinds of assumptions isn’t a wise choice to make. Being genuinely honest about what evil is and sharing what discernment we have is the better choice.

  • rightwingmom52

    As I said to aesthete down thread, I had to refrain myself from preaching in my earlier comments, mostly because of the sermon I had just heard. To expand on that just a bit, our minister asked us to reconsider the caricature of Satan with a tail and horns, to stop and think before laughing at some joke about the devil and to realize he is pure, unadulterated evil on a mission to thoroughly and completely devour us, our children and everything good in the world. It was truly sobering and a timely lesson given this diary and the attacks on the moral fabric of our society. He admonished us to be ever watchful over ourselves and our families, to study the Bible so that when faced with temptation, God’s word will come to mind and help us defeat it, and to pray steadfastly so that God is constantly with us. He pointed out that when we don’t study and pray, we get weaker. When we get weak and discouraged, we don’t study and pray, leading to a vicious cycle of Satan’s making. I know this to be true from my own dark, weak moments despite having been taught better.

    Even sadder, I see my son headed on a path that is influenced more by his teachers and liberal friends than his dad and me. We realized this way too late (some of those unwise assumptions on our part), but I’m not giving up on him either. Thank God he is willing to take pity on us all and gift us with grace and mercy if we accept it.

  • http://christopherrenner.blogspot.com Christopher Renner

    if all you’re angry about is that a very pretty 16 year old girl* is getting married to a much older man. 16-year olds were often married for most of this country’s history – do you believe that moral standards were lower in the 1800s than today? Somehow I doubt that.

    As far as I can tell, you’re NOT outraged about the bigger issue – that 16 year olds aren’t expected to act like adults. You’re NOT outraged that public schooling has promoted this silly idea that absolutely everyone needs to spend 12 years, with summers off, sitting in government run classrooms as opposed to getting real life experience. And learning “healthy attitudes” about sex from the same incompetent institutions.

    You’re NOT outraged that child labor laws effectively incentivize children to be idle and unproductive, and to have plenty of time on their hands to get into trouble.

    You’re NOT outraged that the welfare state promotes lifelong infatilization, as well as enabling the attitude that promiscuity comes at no cost.

    And you’re NOT…well maybe you’ve thought about the judicial activism that undermines parental authority.

    Get outraged about those silly Progressive actions, which fundamentally enable the promotion of the immorality that bothers you so much, and fight against them.

    *and no, I’m not endorsing this 51 year old weirdo’s actions, legal though they might have been.

  • Aaron Gardner

    And if Stacy feels like defending himself he should do it himself Chris.

  • http://www.greenvilledragnet.com Rob Taylor

    Does it make it right? The child in question is damaged and her “manager” is taking advantage of her. That you think that’s acceptable is the lack of morality I’m speaking about.

    Then you’re claiming I’m not outraged by welfare even though I was a Reaganite in the 80s. You’re claiming that because the left promotes immorality I shouldn’t care baout people on the right doing so.

    No matter that the people are “neo-cons” who were former leftists, Confederates etc. You ARE endorsing the marriage by claiming that people who endorse the idea of teens being married off to old men are as moral as you and I.

    When Muslims sell off their daughters we all howl, when one of your favorite bloggers says it’s OK for Christians to do so you bleat like sheep. Disgusting.

    And child labor laws, idleness? Really? Children being idle makes it OK to bang them?

  • http://jhpruitt.blogtownhall.com/ kipling

    Some earlier commentators have dismissed Mr. Taylor’s focus on Thomas Ball and his defenders on the right. The argument was that those blogs were not popular.

    On Wednesday, Pajamas Media posted a blog in support of Thomas Ball and adopted the “war on men and boys” mantra. I would say that proves Mr. Taylor’s point nicely.

    http://pajamasmedia.com/blog/on-fire-but-blacked-out-the-thomas-ball-story/

  • http://theminorityreportblog.com Repair_Man_Jack

    was why I hit the reccommend button. I’ve sternly disciplined my own 4yr old, but there is no excuse to split a 4 yr old’s lip. A 10 minute time-out or slap across the back of the hand will suffice in 9,999 cases out of 10,000. His wife was correct in at least her initial actions.

    I have no comment on how the state behaved in this case, except to say that in no way justifies self-immolation like a buddhist monk under a military junta. Thomas Ball had waaaay to many problems to qualify as a Right-Wing Hero. As bloggers, we should steer clear of getting sucked in.

  • rightwingmom52

    these defenders of Ball weren’t out there. I just really wanted to know who they were because I do not want to support them in any way. Perhaps in my zeal to find out who he was talking about, I failed to note my agreement with his opinion of Ball and my support for his work on behalf of children, so let me say that I wholeheartedly agree with everything he said about Ball and the other criminals (probably too kind a word) in his diary. I would support the death penalty for them all. And I don’t want Rob to give up.

  • http://jhpruitt.blogtownhall.com/ kipling

    I side with you and Rob Taylor on this one. I posted the Pajamas Media article because some had questioned whether bloggers on the right had come out in support of Ball. The implications was that Taylor was making something out of nothing. The Pajamas Media blog shows that Taylor was right.

  • http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

    You can read his response here:

    http://theothermccain.com/2011/06/30/self-proclaimed-pagan-rob-taylor-lectures-conservatives-on-morality/

  • http://jhpruitt.blogtownhall.com/ kipling

    I did not even get that from your posts. Nor did I ever doubt that you were in agreement with Rob’s assessment of Ball.

    The Pajamas Media post came out yesterday so the story seems to have developed legs. We will have to wait and see how far it goes.

    I am in complete agreement with you on finding out who these people are and opposing them.

  • barleycorn

    “So why should any of us work to stave off a collapse that our valueless culture makes inevitable?”

    Because it is our duty. It doesn’t fall to each of us to make the call that hope is lost. No victory has ever been won by a people who gave up.

    “It is time to climb out of the gutter and build a bulwark from the chaos these people have set in motion.”

    A bulwark was built roughly 2000 years ago just outside Jerusalem. It the only bulwark I trust or need.

    These are rough and awful times but but also exciting times because God still rules the universe. I feel its a great privilege to have been picked to live in these days.

  • http://jhpruitt.blogtownhall.com/ kipling

    Very well said. It is a privilege indeed.

  • rick57

    Our liberty is enshrined in our laws, but liberty should not be license for opportunities for the flesh. Our liberties, protected and permitted as they are, should not be exploited to do anything and everything we want, including things harmful to oneself, to one