Deconstructing NY23: what happened; what’s next


It was a narrow victory for Owens when Conservative Doug Hoffman conceded victory last night in New York’s 23rd congressional district. Pundits and spin doctors are lining up to tell the voters what Owens’ victory means on both a local and a national level. personally, I’m not listening. If it’s anything like the pre-election spin, it’s going to be almost uniformly wrong.

the fact is, ‘Republican” candidate Scozzafava was the spoiler, as labeled by conservative pundits from as lowly as yours truly to AmSpec to Limbaugh. If not in a traditional sense. Certainly, if everyone who voted for Dede had voted for Doug instead, he may have pulled it out. It wouldn’t have happened that way though. Dede’s monkey wrench, aside from her being selected as the GOP candidate, was her late endorsement of Owens.

To believe her opinion wouldn’t carry any weight in this race is to not understand the folks in the North Country. Her list of accomplishments might well be overblown, but she’s one of “ours” — which is to say, she’s somebody’s neighbor. Right or wrong, that does mean something up here.

And yes, “up here” is indeed part of the problem. Doug Hoffman had a huge handicap, being from outside the district. As he told a group of pro-life voters in a phone conference (of which I was part), he was part of the district, until his area was gerrymandered out in 2002. That explanation may well have helped his cause had he made it more public.

He also did himself no favors in not better educating himself on local issues. It was great to see him hobnobbing with Glenn Beck and Fred Thompson. And as a fan both, I was gratified to see it. But voters in the area were put off that it seemed he spent more time in the national spotlight than taking part in local debates — especially since, as noted above, his answers on the local issues were somewhat lacking in substance.

Once again, really this election is about the nation more than it is about the North Country — but the voters are here, and if you don’t win them, you don’t win. These mistakes on the part of the Hoffman campaign can be mostly chalked up to inexperience: Hoffman has never been a candidate while the Conservative Party is a stop-gap that rarely has to field its own candidates. For all that, though, he did a damned fine job.

Finally, a finger has to be pointed at the local and national parties here. The local party for not taking a golden opportunity to field a Conservative candidate (I am absolutely convinced, and I think the numbers back me up, that had Hoffman or Lynch been the nominee, for several reasons, it would have been a GOP landslide), and the national for going on the attack against Hoffman. The national Republican establishment can be forgiven, to an extent, for choosing to back Scozzafava. She was, after all, running on the Republican ticket. But when it became apparent that the local base had a real problem with her candidacy, the smart thing to do, if they chose to continue supporting her at all, would have been to attack Owens alone. Running attack ads on Hoffman created a “House divided” scenario that severely blunted their credibility once they finally did rally behind the Conservative.

So is the Hoffman loss a blow to Conservatives? Not even a little. Elections around the country went overwhelmingly to Republicans, even in blue or dark purple regions. Hoffman, in spite of the odds, ran a very close race in NY23. The Conservative base is being energized right now, and if anything NY23 ought to serve notice to establishment Republicans that Conservatives aren’t going to sit back and watch Big Government types take over the party.

And, it serves as a teachable moment: know your area, campaign in your area. Focus on the people that matter: the voters.

(cross-posted at The Minority Report)

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One thing being ignored: Hoffman is not the only NY-23 conservative

civil_truth Wednesday, November 4th at 11:42AM EST (link)

I seem to recall a RedState diary within the past week that mentioned another candidate (whose last name started with “M”) who had attracted what appeared to be a majority of the district leaders until Dede got forced upon them. I don’t know if some of the no vote on Hoffman was to prevent him from being the incumbent in the 2010 primary.

I seem to recall your ranking some of these other candidates prior to Dede being selected.

So it’s not clear that Hoffman will (or should) be the 2010 Republican nominee. What I hope is that the 2010 primary will not see conservatives splitting the votes and letting another leftist sneak in to the nomination.

So what is the best strategy for NY-23 Republican conservatives re primary 2010 and how will the reorganize to be effective. This is where your NY knowledge could help us out.

I've been kicking around how to word this for 24 hours

JoeG Wednesday, November 4th at 12:07PM EST (link)

But you broke the ice….

Hoffman’s most visible accomplishment is having the moxie to go the third party route and doing it convincingly enough to

almost

pull this off.

But that alone may not be enough. I sure there is a talent pool there among experienced state legislators that can also run. As you note, there are the other finalists from the non-primary that deserve a good look.

I believe the most important part is for the national party to keep their fingers out and let the local R party sort this out to avoid this whole fiasco again.

Hoffman is not a very charismatic candidate but look at what he did

kyle8 Wednesday, November 4th at 12:57PM EST (link)

He entered a race as a third party, a man with no organization and no name recognition, and he got 43% of the vote!

If he runs again as a republican, he would have the party and the name recognition.

“Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty”
Kyle

 
 

At this juncture, though Hoffman was NOT my favorite among the Conservatives who ran...

randy streu Wednesday, November 4th at 1:16PM EST (link)

he’s not necessarily a bad choice for 2010. IF. Hoffman still has the baggage I mentioned above, and it won’t go away by 2010.

But here’s where the real brutal honesty comes in.

The real problem I see is a split in the vote during the primaries if there’s more than one or two fairly solid Conservatives. If we all want to vote values, but can’t come together on WHICH candidate to pull for, we could end up with another squish (see McCain, John).

This is where the CPNY and other minor parites could really come in and help. If they can come together and push one candidate over the others (by basically allowing the candidates to present themselves WELL in advance of the primary) and then make a reccomendation, it MAY be enough to get party Conservatives to come together and make a unified decision.

As it is, if there is more than one Conservative on the primary ballot again, I don’t see another way for Conservatives to come together — and that leaves us with a very strong likelihood that we end up with another Dede almost by default.

From my conversations up there

Hooah_Mac Saturday, November 7th at 1:03AM EST (link)

That won’t happen. It will be Doug if he wants it, or another conservative. The county chairs learned their lesson (well, except for the one that is about to lose her job) from this fiasco.

“You can call yourself a Republican, but if you’ve lost the support of Fred Thompson, you are an unholy thing that will be destroyed by a rain of fire.” -IMAO

Need to clarify that

Hooah_Mac Saturday, November 7th at 1:22AM EST (link)

It will be a primary, but the support from the local parties will be pretty solid. The chairs will not choose the candidate, but they will throw all their weight to a single conservative.

“You can call yourself a Republican, but if you’ve lost the support of Fred Thompson, you are an unholy thing that will be destroyed by a rain of fire.” -IMAO

 
 
 
 

NOBODY expected Hoffman to win until the Sienna Research Institute poll on Sunday,

Flagstaff Wednesday, November 4th at 1:23PM EST (link)

reported on Monday. Either the election results or the poll is suspicious.

It shouldn’t even enter our minds to think this was a defeat of any kind. Whether Hoffman is our candidate next year or it’s somebody else, the candidate will be more conservative than Owens and will win with any sort of competent campaign.

Pluto, the Ninth Planet - Forever!

 

Outstanding Randy

Hooah_Mac Saturday, November 7th at 1:01AM EST (link)

Your thoughts are pretty much in line with mine. I am trying not to deluge the site with my posts so it will be a few days before my final analysis is up. I have more details, but you pretty much nailed it.

“You can call yourself a Republican, but if you’ve lost the support of Fred Thompson, you are an unholy thing that will be destroyed by a rain of fire.” -IMAO

 

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