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Things I never want to hear again for the rest of the Primary season: A primer for new politicos

I’ll admit: I honestly don’t have a horse in the race this time around. I have a list with constantly shifting components, but there’s not a single candidate this Primary season about whom I am really excited. I’d like to be — and maybe it’s just because I’ve been taking so much time off from political writing and ranting — but this time around, I just don’t like the field.

So, like many, I look for information. I check the candidate websites, I scan the news, but even more importantly, I look to see what other Conservatives are saying about them.  And every year, I notice the same thing (this year being no exception): a whole lot of people have chosen a candidate, and are doing what they can to talk him (or her) up, but with next to no meat, be it in blog form or in the comments section. And often what there is simply lacks focus. 

Now the old salts — the guys (and ladies) who have been doing this for a while — tend to represent their candidate pretty well, where they’ve picked one. I’ve actually noticed, though, that a lot of those to whom I often look are just as nonplussed by this year’s lineup as I have been.

So you want to get people to notice your candidate. And not just notice, but maybe even convince them to vote for your guy. First, there are a couple of things you should know:
1. If you’re on a political website, you’re going to deal with a lot of people who know politics. Just because they aren’t in office or working for a candidate doesn’t mean they haven’t spent a LOT of time studying history, political strategy, and issues. Most of the people who’ve been around RS more than a year or two, have been doing exactly that.
2. Red Meat talks. Bulls__t walks. If somebody has already chosen a candidate, the chances that you’re going to change his or her mind are slim to none. The people you want to convince are those who haven’t chosen a candidate, but don’t assume it’s because they’re ignorant of the facts. Chances are, in this Primary season, if somebody is undecided, it’s precisely because they have been paying attention.

And finally, as a public service, here are a few things I would LOVE to finish out the Primary Season never having heard again. They’re split into two primary categories: Givens and Fluff.

Givens:
“He’s better than Obama.”  – This is true for all(!) of ‘em.

He can beat Obama.” - The same could be — and has been — said about pretty much every candidate in the Republican field. Unless you have new information, let’s just take it for granted.

Of course, generally, when somebody says this of their candidate, the implied meaning is that it is true only of their candidate. Which brings us directly to…

Fluff
Fluff falls into several types. Most of it is little more than masturbation – the kind of thing you find all over unofficial candidate fan sites, designed to make other Candidate X supporters feel good.  There are also the Epic Generalities ((s)he is the ONLY ONE who…), like this one:

He’s the only one that CAN beat Obama!” There’s simply no way this claim can be reasonably made. You can’t possibly know that. If you’re going to say it, back it up and prepare to argue at length with somebody who has said the same thing about their own guy.

He is the ONE” (variously stated as ‘the Name Above All Names‘) – Seriously, without further comment, this statement not only borders on blasphemous, but just reads downright silly. Most of us remember with clarity the last candidate about whom that was said; and we didn’t vote for HIM, either. Again, it may be nice for the Candidate2012 fan forum, but not out in public.

The ONLY TrueConservative(tm).” Bull.  If it were true, all the Conservatives would already be convinced. Get it in your head that Conservatism, while having standard core principles, is varied in execution.

How about the rest of the gallery? What are you sick of hearing when it comes to candidate pimping?

As for the Primaries, if you’re excited about a candidate, that’s awesome. And I’m not just saying that. Help the rest of us get excited too. Take this post in the spirit in which it was intended, and remember, you’re not selling us a car, but trying to get us on board with the policy, experience, and overall quality of a candidate for President.

COMMENTS

  • nathanalbright

    ….but I have seen them quite often, I have to admit.

  • jakeofalltrades

    “[zealously supporting your candidate] is not a good way to get your opponents to support your candidate in the general.”

    That is just a weak and dishonorable thing to say. At some point supporters get so crazy that it does reflect on their candidate (Luap Nor), but that’s not true of the rest of the candidates.

    • nathanalbright

      n/t

    • http://slcliberty.blogivists.com randy streu

      but, depending on how you go about it, it will of tten NOT HELP in the primary.

  • Hooah_Mac

    Not only good information for the newer people to wrap their head around, good reminders for us “old salts”.

    • Hooah_Mac

      I would add that attacking the motives, affiliations. and intelligence of a supporter of a different candidate is meaningless. Arguing the point made might help your candidate. Calling the opposing supporter a liberal or an idiot just makes for some thread fireworks and reflects on you and your chosen candidate poorly as well.

      (This is not to be confused with the occasionally fun and sometimes necessary belittling of idiots that post nonsense – as long as it isn’t a tactic for trying to score points for your candidate.)

      • http://slcliberty.blogivists.com randy streu

        An old classic is the “paid shill” routine. As ignorant as it is insulting.

  • Hooah_Mac

    “I?ve actually noticed, though, that a lot of those to whom I often look are just as nonplussed by this year?s lineup as I have been.”

    I think this isn’t so much a negative on the candidates. The Presidency is the GOP’s to lose this year. As a result, people are looking for the perfect President on one hand, and trying to avoid nominating someone that could actually lose in this environment on the other.

    For me, my biggest challenge in choosing was that I like three of the people still in very much, rather than not liking anyone at all.

    • http://slcliberty.blogivists.com randy streu

      I think there’s some truth to this: “I think this isn?t so much a negative on the candidates. The Presidency is the GOP?s to lose this year. As a result, people are looking for the perfect President on one hand, and trying to avoid nominating someone that could actually lose in this environment on the other.”

      A lot of it IS that we’ve got a Carter and are looking for our Reagan. On that score, the field is disappointing as hell.

      The candidates DO have their positives, to be sure, and much of my own waffling on this has to do with trying to balance the good with the potential bad. I’ve got it narrowed down to three, and I’ll be honest, the things keeping my number three guy out of number one is stuff I’m really unable to pinpoint. Misgivings of the sort that I wouldn’t share in the open for fear of being publicly (and probably rightly) ridiculed.

  • Finrod

    While it’s naive and silly to whitewash your favorite candidate’s flaws and only speak well of them, it’s even worse to spend all your time tearing down other candidates (yes I’m talking to you, Tbone), because like it or lump it, one of these candidates will be facing off against Obama in the general, and there’s no sense in writing our opponents’ negative ads for them. See: Ronald Reagan’s Eleventh Commandment, which has mostly been ignored on this site lately.

    • http://slcliberty.blogivists.com randy streu

      But I also understand that the positives have to be weighed with the negatives. We can’t pretend they don’t exist, and we do have to address them.

      That said, I agree: a LOT of time is spent at RS and elsewhere doing nothing but bashing. There’s a difference between flinging insults and taking a good, critical look — and MANY here at RS can’t seem to figure out the line. It’s uninstructive and counterproductive.

  • Common_Cents

    Agree on the givens and fluff just being clutter.

    However, we have to watch so we don’t fall into the media trap. The candidates do need to give solid logic on how they will beat Obama and his policy flaws, not just shallow rhetoric.

    There is a double standard by media in an attempt to frame the general election debate.

    Republican candidates are compared to “perfection” and relentlessly attacked on flaws and the left’s favorite, hypocrisy.

    On the other hand, the media does not do the same scrutiny of Obama.

    This double standard attempts to make the entire field of Republicans look weaker than Obama. While hard core conservatives and much of RS sees this bias, much of America does not. Gingrich has been making a good connection w/ voters by making this point consistently.

    So in the primary, we need a constant thread of how each candidate can beat obama, and how, and what damage obama is doing. This message cannot be fluff, but rather specifics that people can relate to. I believe Perry gave a good example by stating how much shorter it takes to start a business in TX vs a liberal state(CA?). People can relate to this stuff.

    We are not helping the situation w/ the fluff that is increasing at RS. Instead of discussing substance, there is a growing trend of fluff attacking various candidates and their supporters. We need to realize we are on the same team and have difficult opponent to defeat.

  • cheetah2

    Thanks for this diary. It really is making me think. I have never been politically active before and I just started posting at Red State. I agree about the fluff. I looked back at a comment I just made on another thread and found I am guilty of one of the kind of statements you referenced.

    “He has earned my support by being the only candidate who consistently acts according to his strongly held conservative principles.”

    I have to admit that is an exaggeration. No candidate is consistent all the time. Some are definitely better than others but none of them are perfect, and more than one of them are reasonably consistent.

    I do have a candidate I support strongly, but I want to be honest and factual when giving my reasons for supporting that individual. This diary will help me get there!

    Don’t be too hard on us newbys. Whatever it takes to inspire more of us to get involved is a good thing, and having the opportunity to get behind a candidate we feel strongly about can be the catalyst we need. I intend to stay involved no matter what the outcome is for my candidate.

  • AceInTX

    Every time I hear that I see Gerry Ford falling down AF 1 Stairs, Bob Dole falling when he can’t get up and John McCain’s “Obama will make a fine President” comments.

    Then there is the “He’s the Republican the Democrats most fear” bull scat. Again I have images of Ford, Dole and McCain dancing in my head.

    Oh, and let’s not leave out “He’s inevitable”.

    I’m absolutely appalled at that state we find ourselves in in this Primary…The idea that John Kerry of all people could say the leading contender for the nomination is a flip flopper and not be laughed out of the country as a mindless buffoon is beyond me….but the sad fact is…not only is he not being laughed at…I find myself nodding in agreement and groaning….I remember the fun I had in 2004 laughing at all his contradictory positions…and almost pittying the democrats who were stuck trying to defend him….and am sick to my stomach at the thought that we might be in the same lose lose position this year.

    Then I look at the rest of the field for an alternative…and despair.

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    is (1) We must govern from the center in order to bring the country together or in order to “get things done” (or similar phrases like we must move to the center), and (2) He will work with those on both sides of the aisle and/or bring a spirit of bi-partisanship to the White House.

    • AceInTX

      m

    • Joshua Persons

      “We need a candidate who’s not beholden to the right wing crazies.”

      “It’s the conservatives that are destroying this primary and the party.”

  • Martin Knight

    … is my all time pull-out-my-hair in frustration phrase.

    Next is the smug douchebag; “Stick a fork in him, he’s done.” Not yet a fixture of the campaign season, but certainly bound to show up.

    • cheetah2

      Yowch it sounds painful, especially to do to someone who is already down on their luck.

      Also where did this term “vetting” come from? I am sick of hearing it. It is sort of a short hand term I guess for going through the dirty laundry…or searching for skeletons in the closet….or digging up the dirt…

      And the “vetting” is never really done. Saying someone is already “vetted” is never an accurate statement.

  • lineholder

    but I’m not posting this to go into detail.

    Everyone who wants to see this nation get back on the right track has a common bond. We’re on the same side. We may have differences of opinion in who the leader for the battle should be, but we’re still on the same side. It’s just something to keep in mind at all times. In other words, don’t go so far on the rhetoric that we end up shooting ourselves in the foot, so to speak.

  • boonerdan

    “My dad can beat up your dad.”

    Oh, and my candidate is waaayyyy better than your candidate.

  • jakeofalltrades

    “If [candidate] needs you to help convince me to support him, then he’s not worthy of my support.”

    I’ve seen this one a lot, and it actually kills brain cells and lowers your IQ if you read it. But by the time you know, of course, the damage is already done. I’ve reported it to the CDC and the FDA and am certain they will take action before I’m reduced by Redstate to a drooling vegetable lying on the carpet.

  • kipling

    He argued at length on why Mitt Romney cannot beat Mr. Obama.

    • kipling

      http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/11/08/mitt-romney-as-the-nominee-conservatism-dies-and-barack-obama-wins/

    • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

      There’s a huge difference between a one liner, “X can’t beat Obama” and then moving on with no points of reference.

      The “can’t win” argument is a perfectly legitimate argument and a very good discussion to have, as long as there are discussion points to go along with it. You’ll note that Erick’s post there is a section dedicated to why Romney can’t beat Obama and a following section dedicated to why conservatism will die if Romney is the nominee. There are well thought out arguments to go along with each premise. You don’t have to agree with the arguments, but it’s an important discussion to have.

  • http://thethinkingvoter.blogspot.com abierubin

    I’ve been trying to recommend this diary ever since it was written, but for some reason it only allows me to click “unrecommend”. So accept this as a recommend!

  • aesthete

    “He’s a businessman, OF COURSE he’ll get the economy back on track!” (Yes, that was meant for the Cain and Romney supporters.)

    “Texas! Yee haw!” (or some variant thereof)

    Patronizing, unjustified statements of the form, “I like [candidate], but he’s not serious.”

    Incendiary attacks on supporters and candidates by association. Example: “Candidate X once worked as the coffee boy in a company that traded with another company that traded with Iran. I guess you must really hate Iranian women, Candidate X supporters.”

    “Polls don’t matter! Charge!!!!” (Again, only applies to unqualified and unjustified arguments.)