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By: runnamuck (Diary)  |  August 16th, 2012 at 10:08 AM  | 

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I know the folks here at Redstate.com keep themselves fully informed on matters political. So…I’m bringing you my confusion in hopes that you can sort it all out for me.

 

I’m sure you heard the flap back in March when the President, in one of his famous Friday info dumps, let the world know that he had signed a “doomsday order” which allowed the Federal Government to seize and use crops in the field, groceries on the shelves, and to institute martial law in peace time. At the time the media assured me that this was not at all unusual. That even George Bush signed such a preemptive order and that it was nothing for me to get my knickers in a knot over.

 

Then the Department of Homeland Security invested in 450 MILLION rounds of hollow point bullets. I expect this particular department to maintain an arsenal but, since hollow point bullets may not be legally used in warfare, I’m not sure why they need such high-octane ammo. I let this one go too and wrote it off to my own ignorance of what is necessary in the world of security.

 

This week, though, I began to get really uneasy.

 

On Tuesday I learned that the National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration (the WEATHER folks, for crying out loud,) has ordered 46,000 rounds of this same, Dirty Harry sort of ammunition. Within hours of this “leak” NOAA corrected the story saying that this requisition was for the use of their law enforcement arm in training. They even bought targets, although they did not mention why they needed hollow-point bullets – the kind designed to inflict the maximum damage to flesh, bone and internal organs – to successfully subdue paper targets.

 

The cherry on the cake of my week came when I learned that the SOCIAL SECURITY ADMINISTRATION is requesting 174,000 of the same kind of bullets to be delivered to various and sundry Social Security offices around the country. Huh?

 

I recognize that old people can be difficult to deal with – I live with my ancient mother and can attest to her temper, but seriously, folks, I can find no possible logical reason why such a requisition might be made.

 

Does the article in Small Wars Journal titled “Full Spectrum Operations in the Homeland: A ‘Vision’ of the Future have something to do with it? This story, if you’re unfamiliar with it, tells the tale of what would happen if the US military were called upon to quash a Tea Party Rebellion.

 

So, I turn to you RedStaters. Can somebody please enlighten me? What’s going on here?

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  • http://vikimason.com runnamuck

    Today I read that the Social Security folks have their own law enforcement folks. It is that bunch who need the bullets.

    Okay. Maybe. I’m not sure I buy it.

    But tell me why, we have such a specialized enforcement division? I mean, in light of the Federal Debt couldn’t Social Security do their investigation then turn it all over to the FBI?

    Just a thought.

  • http://www.firstchevalier.com Mark Malcolm

    I’m pretty sure this site is one of those conspiracy theory hangouts, but it does fit into the post on this thread….

    http://theintelhub.com/2011/08/02/multiple-military-train-convoys-filmed-in-oregon-as-domestic-troop-movements-continue-to-skyrocket-amid-super-congress-tyranny/

    • remnant60

      You aren’t really helping here…even Chris Muir had some input…:
      http://www.daybydaycartoon.com/2012/08/17/

      • http://www.firstchevalier.com Mark Malcolm

        I don’t know anything about the site and said so. Many on RS are much better informed than me and I did add the caveat that it felt like something not to be taken seriously. It is/was my hope someone would know more about that site/this issue and enlighten me.

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  • remnant60

    I’ve been hearing the same things from other sources, and nobody (other than my friends that are into conspiracy theorys) want to touch this.

    If so, what are they gearing up for?

  • Ausonius

    …in some sort of coup d’etat just because of orders from MAObama?

    And even if pro-MAObama bureaucrats had the guns and ammo, who – do you really think – would be the better shot zero, and have the most motivation: the bureaucrats or the armada of armed pick-up trucks in this country? :)

    I see nobody in the upper levels of the Pentagon helping MAObama to overthrow an election or the Constitution. Assorted explanations for these sales of ammunition collected from various websites: end of the fiscal year ordering, one agency with funds left in its budget ordering for another with zero left, corruption to court donations from the gun industry for BIG BRObama.

    Plus: keep in mind the rule that one should not assume a conspiracy for an event when incompetence or corruption will also explain! :)

  • cactusjack

    do not waste minute worrying that our guys and gals in uniform will do anythiing unconstitutiional. They know what’s right and wrong and they know they;ve taken oaths. I’ll leave it at that…..and it is true by the way, that the federal gov’t has been taking some interesting steps in the last year including training of specific army units for dealing with domestic civil unrest. I suppose that’s always good training for some of our troops to be trained in, but yes the timing is interesting.

  • checkmate2012

    to some nonsense conspiracy theory stuff. So I was on the internet yesterday and found this shocking bit that supports littlehouse’s diary.

    I hope you read the link below, when, in a small town in Leesburtg, FL, that I’ve been to b/c of close proximity to The Villages, the Feds turned a SS office into some trial run of unrest, where most are seniors. Guns ablazing.

    Ya’ll better pay attention- ok well I will and have written my Congressman to about the outrageous overreach.

    This is a wake up moment that is not to be taken lightly. When you read the articles, I hope you too will wonder why the government is buying mass quantities of ammunition.

    Sorry but can’t find the link I wanted but here are two that are worthwhile reads. The one I wanted to post was that even the Dept that controls fish put out a bid. Now DHS is putting out “silent” bids due to the speculation and outrage.

    http://www.infowars.com/dhs-officers-armed-with-semiautomatics-set-up-unannounced-id-checkpoint/

    http://www.prisonplanet.com/dhs-to-purchase-another-750-million-rounds-of-ammo.html

    This is not funny nor a conspiracy theory. Look at government bids which they are required to post for the most part to get the cheapest price. I’ll post the other line when I find it. Scary stuff folks.

  • avgjo

    disarmed citizens without due process. They seized legal weapons from people who had commited no crimes.

  • avgjo

    who spent 8 years in the military (2 branches) told me he was certain that US soldiers would fire on US citizens if, for instance (his example) said citizens resisted an illegal gun seizure.

    Everything today is process oriented. Very little critical thinking. Such describes many, perhaps most, in uniform today. That’s very dangerous.

  • checkmate2012

    This is getting scary and the gov’t bids are out there so it’s not some made up stuff.

    http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012/08/17/agencies-tamp-down-speculation-over-hollow-point-ammo-purchases/

  • checkmate2012

    not littlehouse but still appreciate comments from lh.

    There really is no sane explanation for SS or NOAA to be putting put bids, multiple bids in some cases, for hollowpoint bullets.

    Rubber bullets, maybe, but not this kind.

  • http://www.firstchevalier.com Mark Malcolm

    there are some, always have been, who are idiots. The Marine Corps calls them the 10%. Ten percent of any given group are worthless malcontents just trying to get by with the least amount of work possible and the most personal gain. The rest can be counted on when the chips are down.

    I don’t know about the Army or Air Force, but it is my belief having served and talked with active duty service men and women of today that the majority would not side with the Fedreal Govt if open rebellion began. I don’t believe the National Guard would in a majority of cases as high as 90%. That alone plus local law enforcement siding with the NG’s will give the Fedral Govt problems, along wtih the aforementioned pickup trucks, imo.

  • cactusjack

    hasnt well thought about this question, and discussed in their confidences (and a few foxholes), especially in this presidential term. Agreed there is the idiot 10 percent, And dont think other scenarios havent been soul searched by many non coms and officers, in the context of the military oath. Everybody has been watching how official Washington is directing the Major Hassan Nadal case to be handled and it is rife with lessons for our loyal profesional officer corps. As said above, will leave it at that….

  • PowerToThePeople

    and given to crazy beliefs.

    I served as well, as did many on here, and I would love to believe that a large portion of our armed service would refuse to fire on their own people if the order was ludicrous, but in reality I know this would not be the case.

    Many would chose to refuse to follow an order to fire upon us if the order was not legal, but most would follow it. History shows this to be true. If you are old enough to remember the great flood of the Mississippi back about 20 plus years ago, you will remember that the military was ordered out to the neighborhoods to protect the property. They were under orders to shoot looters and shoot anyone caught in these areas after the order to leave was given. No one had issue with the looter order, but to shoot anyone caught in the areas was considered wrong. Not one soldier refused.

    The reality is that if Obama ordered military action on our own people, enough soldiers would follow that order and that would result in devastating losses of life. The ones that refuse may join our side, some may even fight back, but the most would simply refuse and be arrested.

    And you are really in lala land if you think many cops would fight against the government and a given order.

    Your percent numbers are just wrong.

  • avgjo

    don’t be surprised if these purchases are just to use the budgets of these various agencies to stockpile ammo for Obama’s desired brownshirt brigade (‘as well armed as the military’), should he get a second term, which well may happen.

    I tell people that I see little difference between Hitler and Obama. Obama just knows that he can’t go quite so far in his rhetoric, and that our culture requires slower transformation to a police state than Germany did. He is a hateful thug, through and through. You know a man by the company he keeps and by those who have his sympathies. He started his campaign in the living room of a man who plotted the mass extermination of 25 million of his fellow citizens, and he sympathizes with the likes of the Muslim Brotherhood and the Palestinian terrorists. So please, spare me any citations of that idiotic Godwin’s law.

  • http://vikimason.com runnamuck

    Read this morning that people who are demonstrating against the new Egyptian government are being crucified. Excellent.

    And we invited these guys to the White House?

  • avgjo

    This whole discussion about whether or not the soldiers would fire on US citizens…

    The Founders understood the dangers of a standing army to freedom. It’s kinda like going to a business meeting with someone you don’t trust, and they begin the discussion by putting a big gun on the table. Oh yeah, and they’ve got their two very large friends standing behind them, each with a big bulge in their jackets.

    I was discussing the 2nd Amendment with some lib who was trolling here on RS the other day, and he asked me if I believed if there should be any restrictions on gun ownership. what we’re talking about is why I told that person ‘with very very few exceptions, no.’ The only redistribution I believe in is that of force. Were I in charge, we’d go to a model like Switzerland’s over time.

  • http://www.firstchevalier.com Mark Malcolm

    on this one given my experience. I’m sorry you had a bad experience in the military, I did not.

    I’ll also refrain from name calling et al given you are entitled to your opinion, I don’t know you, and don’t know what experiences have gone into the shaping of your life. Good luck.

  • PowerToThePeople

    I had in the military have to do with anything? For the record, I had a wonderful term, no problems to report. Not sure what your point is with that comment.

    Second, cool, refrain from name calling. Since I did not call you a name, not sure why you are acting pious here. If being told you are wrong hurts your feeling so much you felt the need to add in the pious line, then you need to leave and not come back until you reach adulthood. You will be called when you state something wrong especially when you post percents or numbers not backed by facts or reality.

    So to sum it all up, you are wrong, your numbers are bullspit, and grow up no one insulted you although after the comment you made here, it would be deserving.