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Liberals Lying About Florida High-Speed Rail; Go Figure

According to the St. Petersburg Times, state economists estimate that Rick Scott’s first budget as Florida’s governor will contain a $3.5 billion deficit. But that is immaterial to the authors of this unnamed editorial in the Orlando Sentinel. They chastised the incoming governor for indicating he might possibly (and should) kill the high-speed rail line liberals want built in Florida. The editorial claims Scott, a Republican, is doing this for political purposes, saying he only wants to do this to politically harm the Democratic President Obama. But to do so, they willingly ignore reality and lie about the benefits of high-speed rail.

The funding for the Florida high-speed rail project is part of Porkulus. From the editorial:

Florida’s $2.6 billion high-speed project would be paid for almost entirely by the feds. Washington has agreed to send Florida all but $280 million of its cost.

The state is running a multi-billion dollar deficit, but the editorial says the state should spend more. Well, maybe not entirely:

And some companies vying to run the trains indicate they’d cover the state’s share.

I assume that means private companies might pick up the state’s $280 million construction tab as well. So it’s possible a private company would pick up potential costs the state would have to pay and the taxpayers wouldn’t have to pay for anything. For 30 years. Free train. What’s not to like?

How many interstate rail lines and rail lines that operate between major metropolitan areas are there in the United States? One. Amtrak, a boondoggle that the federal government props up despite the fact that it loses money every year. And while the Sentinel would like to have its readers believe there aren’t any potential pitfalls to this project (it’s FREE!!!), the Amtrak example provides enough proof that the editorial is using smoke and mirrors to simply bash incoming Gov. Scott.

In theory, state taxpayers aren’t going to have to pay for anything, meaning those who pay federal income taxes, including Floridians, will pay to have the line built, and train riders will pay for its operation and maintenance. Again, in theory.

But the only way the state can pay for operating and maintaining this line is if there are lots and lots of riders on a daily basis going back and forth between Tampa and Orlando (where the Sentinel says the first line is to be built). The Sentinel has this:

And it would offer commuters and tourists an alternative to an increasingly gridlocked I-4.

The tourist argument is a red herring. There aren’t enough tourists who would travel between Orlando and Tampa to justify the cost. Tourists aren’t going to stay in Tampa and then take the train everyday to see the sights in Orlando; they are going to stay in Orlando.

So there will have to be enough daily commuters traveling between Orlando and Tampa, people who live in one of those cities and work in the other willing to use these trains for the commute, to make this pay for itself. Estimating gas at $3.00/gallon (it’s going up), the 150-mile round trip between Tampa and Orlando would cost around $24.50. Now it’s possible that the train trip itself can cost less than that; if I remember correctly, a 70-mile round-trip train ride from the western suburbs of Chicago to the city, about $10.50 if driven by car, is around $5.50 per day if you get the monthly pass. But then I would have to pay the price of getting to the station and parking there, about another $4 per day. Then I have to either take public transportation or a cab to get to work, which increases the cost such that it’s cheaper to drive. Even if I don’t have to sit in rush-hour traffic, the time it would take to travel this distance equals out since I would have to work around the train schedule to get to work on time.

What this means is that it would probably cost daily commuters going between Orlando and Tampa, depending on how many there are, more money per day to take the high-speed train than it would be to drive it. So unless there were enough people to take people to take advantage of using the high-speed train on a daily basis, and willing to pay the high cost of the travel, it would seem difficult for the state to recoup the cost to operate and maintain the line, even with private sub-contractors, through paying customers. This is where the state would have to start subsidizing the operation, with taxpayer dollars à la Amtrak and all other public transportation systems, in order to try to make such a rail line meet its costs. All of a sudden that “free” train will become very expensive. If anyone has bothered to check what goes on in Illinois (where I used to live), the Metra/RTA/CTA boondoggle struggles every year to meet its budget, constantly demanding more taxpayer dollars. There is no reason to think high-speed rail is any kind of panacea. But you won’t see that written in the Orlando Sentinel editorial.

Also, the point of building a high-speed rail line is to get people back and forth between Tampa and Orlando quickly. That means it has to be an express route; no stops in between. But if these two areas are anything like other metropolitan areas, the traffic problems are due to a large amount of people who live in the outskirts that travel to the cities to work, not people who live in one city and work in another. So if this new line includes stops to take these people back and forth, there will need to be several stations along the line to stop to pick up and drop off passengers, thus negating the speed advantage high-speed rail is supposed to offer. It becomes a regular, old-fashioned public transportation system which, if built, would probably be a more expensive boondoggle than the ones in place today.

By all indications, the whole “free” aspect to building, operating, and maintaining high-speed rail doesn’t exist for the reasons above, and I’m sure others I haven’t mentioned. In addition, there are bound to be cost overruns; it’s part of any government project at any level. How long does the Sentinel think the private companies building this would eat these costs before dragging themselves to the state government for more tax dollars?

High-speed rail is a statist pipe dream (or another kind of dream, which I won’t mention in a family-friendly atmosphere) to further control the people. In order to sell such an idea, even while states are regularly running huge deficits, statists and their supporters have to lie about it. That is exactly what the Orlando Sentinel did here. Not because the idea of high-speed rail has any merit, but to attack Gov.-elect Rick Scott. He would do well to dump high-speed rail.

COMMENTS

  • BigGator5

    Love your great article!

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  • fpete13527

    The entire group of Florida Newspapers have been lying shills for High Speed/Light Rail, as they have been lying shills for Obama and the DemComms overall Socialist agenda. The Florida Newspapers are an Obamination from hell.

    HighSpeed Rail and Light Rail ARE NOT FUNDED, HAVE NEVER BEEN FUNDED, nor should they ever be.

    One of the best ways to continue to fight the LIES that the Socialist Rag Newspapers are putting out, is to attend the CORRUPT Metropolitan Transportation Planning Organization meetings – at ALL levels to include City, County, and State levels.

    These are the organizations that are LYING about the true cost and specifications of RAIL in order to push the Dem stimulus agenda to produce WASTEFUL UNIONIZED Social Engineering agenda for DOT. Similar to Obamacare Socialized Engineering agenda for DHHS.

    You will find at these meetings the true colors of the local and state level politicians, BOTH REPUBLICAN AND DEM, who staff these “planning meetings” with radical leftists and pure RINO progressive liberal Republicans.

    Gov Scott has been doing the RIGHT THING in opposing this MASSIVE spending, zero return boondoggle.

    The Dems AND REPUBLICANS who are supporting Rail need to be SLAM DUNKED….starting with the Republicans:

    Rep Mica (R), who is also the Florida Congressional Rep and House DOT Chairman, should be the first to stop this from top down.

    Paula Dockery (R) is one of if not THE main REpublican trying to push this through, even though she toured REpublican REC’s saying she did not support it. A lie.

    ANY Republican State Senator or State House Representative supporting High Speed or Light Rail need to be targeted for Primary.

    LOCAL TAMPA RINO liberal Republican shills need to also be slam dunked. In Hillsborough County, Mark Sharpe (R) (a RINO Republican protege of Charlie Crist) spear-headed the Hillsborough attempt at LIGHT RAIL TAX, which thankfully just got defeated on Nove 4.

    LOCAL PINELLAS RINO liberal Republican and current Commissioner Chair Karen (R) Seel, instead of taking the message from neighboring Tampa to nix this spending hog, has chosen to conspire with Tampa to still push it through by creating a REGIONAL SALES TAX and corresponding increase in beaurocracy and Unionization.

    Phone EVERY Republican and Democrat legislator at City, County, State, and Federal level…and tell them NO RAIL. Any Florida legislators in support of High Speed or Light Rail should be primaried and removed from office.

    Support Gov Scott’s NO to RAIL and continue to enlighten fellow Floridians about the LIES that the Florida News Organizations are as well as the LIES that the Dems and RINO Republicans are putting out with respect to RAIL.

  • Paige Dulli

    I’m in an argument with someone who in in favor of FL HSR.
    She writes
    “Scott will kill HSR because the funding came from a Democrat, but he’ll let Sunrail (Central FL commuter rail project from Volusia to Osceola) go Scott-free b/c it’s Jeb Bush’s project, even though Sunrail will directl…y cost FL taxpayers $2.66 billion. Scott’s general counsel came from CSX, who will get $641 million out of the Sunrail deal, CSX raised a lot of general election money for him and several CSX & Bush people are working in his administration. Fat-cat gajillionaire CEOs stick together. So what will you say if he lets Sunrail carry on?”
    I’m not familiar with the SunRail project. Could any of you bring me up to speed?