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Are Karl Rove and Allahpundit Trying to Give Obama Another 4 Years?

Maybe I’m jumping the gun a bit here. But it doesn’t help when Karl Rove, aided and abetted by Allahpundit, seeks to give us another 4 years of tyranny under Barack Obama. Either Allahpundit is just an extreme contrarian, or he is in desperate need of an intervention:

Dude, I’m nervous.

Or maybe I’m the one needing the intervention.

Allahpundit expresses another possibility as well:

On the one hand, how seriously should we take a projection that has South Carolina as a toss-up? Maybe this is Rove knowing that his map will get attention and using it to scare conservatives into donating and GOTV volunteering.

I find that to be a distinct possibility.

Allahpundit links to some Obama-worshiping Huffpo loser who believes Obama will win 298 electoral votes. I would discount it because I don’t believing any Obama-supporting hack will tell the truth on anything related to their god-king.

We have the most incompetent, hyper-partisan, mean-spirited loser for a President. The only reasonable thing Obama’s done was to kill bin Laden. But every other policy of his is either a flip-flop of what he said in 2008 (he’s out-flipped “Flipper” Kerry) or an outright failure. Telling the truth is anathema to Obama and the regime. And as far as I’m concerned, I don’t find Obama all that likable.

It was establishment Republican Rove who helped push Romney on us. And this is what we get? I understand it’s early, but come on.

And if all Rove is doing is attempting to drive up hit points, he should be rewarded with none (I didn’t pull up the link Allahpundit provided).

I’m as skeptical as they come, but there is no reason this election shouldn’t be a cakewalk for Romney. It doesn’t help when Rove (and Sen. McConnell, in his tussle with Erick Erickson) tries to prove why the GOP is known as the Stupid Party. If Rove doesn’t want to help, then maybe he should just go back to Texas and sit this one out.

Cross-posted at Scipio the Metalcon.

COMMENTS

  • http://www.rightspeak.net/search/label/-Right%20Wingnut rightwingnut2

    • http://www.rightspeak.net/search/label/-Right%20Wingnut rightwingnut2

      FL, NC, VA, OH…he will likely lose the election. Even if he wins all four of those states, he will need to hold MO and SC….and flip one of the following states….NM, CO, IA, or NH.

      • http://www.rightspeak.net/search/label/-Right%20Wingnut rightwingnut2

        Nevada.

        • rabun1016

          That would be fitting.

      • http://www.rightspeak.net/search/label/-Right%20Wingnut rightwingnut2

        • gekster

          • http://www.rightspeak.net/search/label/-Right%20Wingnut rightwingnut2

            I used this on another site to make the case for Rubio for VP. It’s obvious that he can’ afford a loss in FL, and he still likely needs to pick off one of those Western states with large Hispanic populations (NM, NV, OH). If Ohio stays blue, Mitt needs to run the table out West.

            Just trying to be objective here…..

          • http://www.rightspeak.net/search/label/-Right%20Wingnut rightwingnut2

            Typo

          • http://www.rightspeak.net/search/label/-Right%20Wingnut rightwingnut2

            LOL- another typo.

          • gekster

            just what is being said.
            That it might be correct.
            Like it wa being said that Romney will lose Delewae because he didn’t campaign there.

          • http://www.rightspeak.net/search/label/-Right%20Wingnut rightwingnut2

            Dude. Read my last comment again.

    • texasref

      As soon as I saw Texas as merely LEANING Romney and South Carolina as a tossup I laughed at him.

      He is so 2004.

      I can’t stand Rove, when is he going to retire.

    • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

      SC a tossup? CO is dark blue but Texas only a ‘lean R’?
      OH not a tossup?!?
      This was based on the kind of ‘analysis’ that is … useless.

      Hell will freeze over before Texas votes for Obama.

      I could do better. Actually I came up with the exact same victory map that rightwingnut2 has …

      Here’s a projection for you:
      Romney wins the McCain states and wins -
      CO, FL, NC, VA, OH , IA, NV and NH

      In none of those states is Obama really ahead by that much and is under 50%. Romney wins the election.

  • Viet71

    Matters how voters view him.

    I give him a good shot unless the economy improves.

    Romney can take Obama head on. Smarter, better educated, far more honest, just as ruthless.

    Will be a great campaign. Romney can and will tear into Obama and his record. All Obama can do is paint Romney as scary. Won’t wash.

  • garfieldjl

    I think they went with pushing for a candidate that would be best under “conventional wisdom,” when this is an atypical election.

    I’m looking at two possible outcomes: 1936 or 1980.

    The fact that Obama has so many states locked up or leaning his way isn’t good under that map.

    The fact Romney doesn’t have Texas locked up isn’t good.

    I think Florida is more apt to go to Romney as it stands currently.

    I do think there is a state in play that people aren’t considering: Pennsylvania, and that’s due to Obama’s policies and the nature of the economy in Pennsylvania.

    Also Nevada may be in play due to the Mormons living there and the fact they are probably getting rather annoyed with all the anti-mormon attacks coming from the left.

    That’s my current assessment.

    • gekster

      Unless you can predict the future (which up till now you are batting 0 in doing that) what you say has no meaning, it’sjust speculation.
      and speculation will buy you nothing.
      I see you are still going with the glass totally empty.
      You keep posting from a leftist point of view, but say you are conservative.
      Conservatives have a realistic, but positive point of view.
      You never post that way.

      • garfieldjl

        http://www.redstate.com/scipio62/2012/04/26/are-karl-rove-and-allahpundit-trying-to-give-obama-another-4-years/#comment-1053

        Was referring to the map in the post that I’m putting the link to above.

        If you look at the map, you’ll notice that currently Texas is only leaning Romney.

        Can I be optimistic, yes, however if I am giving my honest assessment of something, I try to be as objective about it as possible. I’m not going to sugar coat something, when the stakes are as high as they are currently.

        Based on that map, Obama seems to have a clear advantage, I would feel better if states that are traditionally blue were toss-ups or just leaning Obama. Instead, I see NC, SC, FL, and VA being toss ups. Texas is only leaning to Romney, Texas usually is a solid lock for Republicans. Furthermore, from a historical standpoint, whichever way Ohio goes, so goes the nation, it is a good indicator state. If Romney is having problems in that state it isn’t encouraging. Another trouble sign is Arizona, Obama isn’t exactly popular in that state, yet it is only leaning Romney based on the map.

        The things that may help is Pennsylvania, if we can get it in play. which may be possible (coal, natural gas). that would help immensely. Nevada may be in play, especially due to the economic situation out there. If we can get Michigan in play, we may see the Dems panic, but that isn’t likely.

        I’m not the one that drew up that map gekster, Karl Rove did. What Karl Rove has put up, is not very encouraging.

        • gekster

          Looked at map.
          Are you psycic, or just phyco.
          Who can say it is real or speculation.

          • gekster

            He would lose because he didn’t campaign there.
            All of those phsycics were right?
            Admit your a lib for Obama and get it over with.

          • garfieldjl

            I’m a Conservative, not a liberal. Get a clue. The signs in Deleware were pointing in the direction of a Newt Surge.

            When I pointed out Romney is the weakest candidate we could have as our nominee, I was being entirely honest.

            I was disgusted with how Obama gutted NASA, turned a recession into a depression, etc.

            If you think I want Obama to have 4 more years, you sir are not playing with a full deck.

            If Romney loses this election, one of the reasons will be people like you gekster, whom kept driving wedges between factions of Conservatives and the Republican party.

            When I point out something, I am pointing out problems that need to be addressed, how about you try to come up with solutions to said problems instead of attacking the person that is pointing out what we need fix in order to win against Obama.

            I’m not a neurotypical, I don’t have a sinister motive, a trait I have is being honest even when it would probably be more conveinent to lie, and quite frankly, if you can’t tell the difference between a Conservative and a Liberal gekster, then you seriously need to start paying more attention to people like Mark Levin, Sean Hannity, etc.

            I’m guessing the only reason you haven’t attacked Erick by now is because he’s the administrator of this place, Erick has stated a lot of the same concerns I have.

          • gekster

            when they feel the need to lie, will.
            And the majority of your posts, while claiming to be conservative, have been mostly liberal in nature.
            You have no credability here.
            And I am only one of many. I just call you out on your libness.
            And this is the internet.
            Any one can claim any thing they want, as you so frequently have.
            You have no proof of being conservative.
            And the louder you claim to be, the less it is believed.
            Get real and just adnit you are. You wont be banned, just mocked.

          • avagreen

            If that means anything to anyone.

            You seem to be stalking him a Lot!

          • gekster

            I have seen him from day one after Santorum dropped out, going all out anti-Romney, saying he suppoerted Gingrich, with his posts 9>1 against Romney, for the sheer hatred of Romney.
            I have followed all he has posted, and if he posted on HufPO, it would not be erased. if you know what I mean.
            The louder he claims to be conservative, the less I believe.
            Conservatives know they are, and don’t try to convince others they are.
            They just know and don’t feel the need to proclaim.
            At least the ones I know who are.
            I have my suspicians, and if you look at his posts with a liberal slant, you will see it also.

          • conservativerock5

            make him conservative?

          • garfieldjl

            I’m on the Autistic Spectrum, asking someone on the spectrum to be a plant like you are suggesting is similar to suggesting that a High School Marching Band could sneak into Fort Knox and then pull every single fire alarm along the way and no one notices.

            1. People on the spectrum aren’t good at deceiving someone, in fact that person is more apt to deceive themselves thinking the person on the Spectrum has some hidden motive when they don’t. You are confusing my ineptitude with social skills and having some hidden motive.

            2. People on the spectrum tend to be the victims of people pulling scams, not the ones pulling the scams. I have to really pay attention to facial expressions and think about what expression means what at a cognitive level. The part of my brain that would deal with facial expressions doesn’t work the same as your brain. The result is I’m very good at noticing patterns and details that you would usually miss on an inorganic object.

            Furthermore, reason I’m reacting is because I’m quite frankly getting ticked off with you. Maybe I should just shrug things off and ignore you, but that’s not in my nature, not when you are accusing me of being dishonest. All you are doing is really ticking me off.

          • gekster

            Does that make you any less liberal.
            Your posts so far haven’t implied anything conservative.
            Take that for whatever you want it to mean.

            If I ticked you off, maybe it is because I’m hitting home, and stating facts, which libs get ticked off at..
            They really don’t like facts, do they.

          • garfieldjl

            1. You’re actually pissing me off because I find it extremely offensive when someone accuses me of lieing, I pride myself on my honesty.

            2. I think you’ve reached the point where you’ve crossed the line into outright harassment.

            3. When I post something, I’m being honest, I have the diplomatic tact of a Sherman Tank, I don’t attempt to slant things or shade things, I just say what I think. The only thing I have been doing is taking a moment to calm down so I don’t respond by flaming you, which in my opinion you deserve, but it is against the rules of this site. Something that you apparently could care less about.

            You may not get it, because you are a neurotypical, I don’t try to shade things in any way shape or form, I say what I’m thinking, I’m honest about it. What I say is what I think, if you think I have some sort of slant, that’s your problem, not mine.

            It’s like you’re suggesting that a HS Marching Band could sneak into Fort Knox, while pulling every single fire alarm along the way, and no one would notice.

            That’s how idiotic you are being.

          • gekster

            Like a liberal, you try to throw them on me.
            Ain’t going to work.
            Try again.
            You did the same with your anti Romney rants.

            And as far as me being idiotic, that really hurts,
            (thats only because I am idiotic).

            I’m telling my Mom.

            Dufus.

            And if you are saying what you’re thinking, then you think like a lib.
            I would hope you get what I’m saying, but being a lib, you wont.

          • gekster

            That posters are playing with you like a cat with a mouse.
            Are you that dense.
            The mods havn’t banned you yet because you’re
            that much fun to play with.
            You were called a ‘sorry ass’.

            You havn’t seen that yet.

            I call you dufus, which is an insult to all who are truely a dufus.

          • garfieldjl

            [quote]On the opposite end of the spectrum are those rare individuals who might be described as “pathological truth-tellers.” These people forego socially convenient and appropriate fibs to speak the unvarnished, upsetting truth.

            Intriguingly, this “lying handicap” is a common feature of the developmental disorder high-functioning autism and Asperger’s Syndrome.

            “People with Asperger’s have a tendency to be very blunt and direct ? they can be honest to a fault,” said Tony Attwood, professor of psychology at Minds & Hearts, an Asperger’s and autism clinic in Brisbane, Australia
            [/quote]
            http://www.livescience.com/17407-pathological-liars-honest-psychology.html

            I actually am a Conservative, I have high-functioning Autism/Aspergers (they flip flop back and forth as to whether or not Asperger’s is Autism or something else).

            [quote]Asperger’s is characterized by impairment in social interactions and restricted interests. (A well-known television character who manifests much of the behavioral profile of someone with Asperger’s is Dr. Sheldon Cooper on “The Big Bang Theory.”) Attwood noted that these individuals have an “allegiance to the truth, rather than people’s feelings.”

            Key to proper socialization and its subtleties is “theory of mind,” the ability to attribute mental states to other individuals. “Theory of mind is determining what others are thinking, feeling or believe,” said Attwood.

            Asperger’s patients tend to have a poorly developed theory of mind, which presents them with great difficulty in empathizing with others. More positively, this trait makes it tough to construct deceitful ruses, and those with Asperger’s who do learn how to lie often do so badly, said Attwood.

            Brain scans using functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) have revealed a basis for this deficit. In Asperger’s patients and autistics, there is less activity in parts of the “social brain,” such as the prefrontal cortex. “In Asperger’s,that area is dysfunctional,” said Attwood. “Areas of the prefrontal cortex that should light up don?t in fMRI.”
            [/quote]
            http://www.livescience.com/17407-pathological-liars-honest-psychology.html

            [quote]Sometimes brutal honesty. Some Autistics, and Aspergers people, like myself, may have a difficult time with any form of dishonesty. This does not in any way mean that Autistics cannot lie : it just means there MAY be a tendency towards bluntness and brutal honesty. This is a double-edged sword, however, because some people can’t handle this level of honesty. [/quote]

            Read more: http://wiki.answers.com/Q/What_are_the_advantages_and_disadvantages_to_autism#ixzz1tCqPZtxH

            You are mistaking my lack if diplomatic tact, for something else.

          • gekster

            I am a reaserch master, finding thing even the mods can’t find.
            It’s me. It’s what I do.
            And a lib is a lib is a lib.
            And since I am retired, and have nothing to do, I read everything, and now know your pattern. If questioned, and the answer is not to you’re liking, you ignore, deflect, try to post in a way to confuse, or generally try to change the subject.
            It’s what you do. It’s what libs do.
            And if the question might show an answer contrary to what you think it should be, you deflect and try to turn it on the one asking the question.
            It’s what you do, and it is a liberal traight. Anything else.
            What more can you turn on me.
            Doesn’t matter, I am that dumb. (took that one away from you by saying it firtst)
            What you got next that I havn’t heard.

          • garfieldjl

            Fact of the matter is, I have actually been going easy on Romney. If I was a shill for Obama, I would be encouraging you to continue your destructive bullying on other people.

            Furthermore, you sure demonstrated any research talents thus far, because if you had you’d know how much of a total idiot you’re being atm.

          • gekster

            You are more than a lib on Romney than the libs are.
            I may be an idiot, but I ain’y stupid.

          • http://www.rightspeak.net/search/label/-Right%20Wingnut rightwingnut2

            Even though you’ve tried to bait me a couple of times, I have no beef with you. You clearly contribute a lot to Redstate, and are probably a decent guy. Having said that, I think this response to garfield was a bit harsh.

          • gekster

            don’t go stupid now, although it’s your forte.

            I know you carry his water, but he is waterless now.

          • http://www.rightspeak.net/search/label/-Right%20Wingnut rightwingnut2

            He graduated high school with straight As, is doing very well in college, is an accomplished musician, and works about 30 hours a week. His non-autistic brother dropped out of college and still lives at home at the age of 24.

            The description he gave of his condition is accurate. He also had a tough time growing up, due to all of the teasing and abuse, but he found a way to cope with it, and will in all likelihood become a very productive member of society.

            Cut the guy some slack.

          • gekster

            How does that correlate.

          • http://www.rightspeak.net/search/label/-Right%20Wingnut rightwingnut2

            Bash away…..

          • gekster

            Nothing in your post was in response to what I said..

            Easier to deflect and ignore than adress.

            But it must be me, not you posting something that has nothing to do with the thread.

          • http://www.rightspeak.net/search/label/-Right%20Wingnut rightwingnut2

            blog. Lots of bickering and personal attacks, etc. I’m actually kind of burned out on the back and forth stuff. This site is actually like a vacation compared to the other one. I’ll just let you have this one, and move on.

          • northeastred

            you appear to make less sense than a man who admits that his brain does not function normally. Sorry. Just true, from what I’ve read here.

          • gekster

            I freely admit y brain does not function.
            I keep responding to total idiots.
            Case in point.

          • northeastred

            with near clarity.

          • mswalnut

            Why waste time?!

            I can see all the bullying that has been relentlessly directed at you on almost all the threads I visited, and I?m sure many others do, too.

            Now that Romney is going to be the nominee, anyone not singing his praise or still pointing out his weaknesses will not be welcomed on RS.

            If you are not yet inclined to support Romney, I truly believe you?re jeopardizing your well being spending too much time on this site because of all the negativity directed at you. And believe me, even the mods do not want you here. If you do want to stay, I hope you?ll find a way to ignore your tormentors and only respond to those worthy of your response.

            I share a lot of your sentiments and I won?t be spending much time on this site anymore. If you want to share with someone political thoughts that are not welcomed here, please write to me at msw784 at yahoo dotcom, and I would be honored to be your friend and happy to hear everything you have to say.

          • garfieldjl

            Certain people here, such as gekster, seem to be doing their very best to drive a wedge into the base that Romney needs in order to beat Obama.

            I refuse to be intimidated, I’ve had to stand up to bullies an awful lot, and I didn’t put up with being bullied when I was a kid, and I will not put up with it now.

            As far as flamebait goes, I’ve seen worse from RougeNine on Lucasforums (which I got banned from a few years ago, because I constantly was bringing up Obama’s record in their political debate forum, even when they just wanted to bash Conservatives). They actually made it so I didn’t want a thing to do with anything having to do with Star Wars for about a year or so (aside from books). Granted I’m more into Star Trek, but still.

            Quite frankly, it wouldn’t surprise me if many of the people picking fights with me are actually rooting for Obama.

          • gekster

            how do you walk it all back for the general election.
            It does show you are feeding fodder for the left to slam Romney.
            We know what you have said, how do you now show suppot for Romney againsr Obamsa
            How do you now post in favor for the Republican over the Democrat in the general election.
            Being a lib, thar’s going to be a hard one.

          • garfieldjl

            I wouldn’t have to.

            It’s better for the attempts to build up Romney using fluff to be stopped right now, than it continue and get shredded in October when people are paying attention to the election.

            I’ve said this repeatedly use facts not fluff, the MSM will be shilling for Obama, so fluffing up Romney’s record will only give ammunition to team Obama.

            Examples:
            Solyndra —> off table (Romney’s record)

            Fast & Furious —–> we can use this against Obama all day

            Department of Justice Corruption —–> we can use this against Obama

            Obamacare —–> Kinda hard to go after unless Romney renounces Romneycare

            However, we can go after the manner in which Obamacare was passed.

            Arizona fight with WH —–> can use this against Obama

            Immigration ——> as a general topic would be kinda iffy

            When I’m saying we can’t use something, it’s due to Romney’s record, I’m looking at this from a standpoint of whether or not Obama would be able to counterpunch. If Obama can counter us on issue A, C, and F when they are brought up by us; we go with issues B, D, and E which he can’t. If Obama brings up issues A, C, and F first, then we can use those against Obama the same way he would have countered us on those issues.

            I suggest, since you are the one pushing for people to support Romney currently, that you go through what issues you think Obama is vulnerable on, then go through Romney’s record to see if there are things that are similar to those items. Since you claim you’re a good researcher. Those that are similar are items we shouldn’t use unless Romney says he made a mistake back then (which puts that item in play). The items you of Obama’s that there is nothing in Romney’s record that is similar to it, should be our preferred talking points against Obama.

            If there are facts we can use to show Romney is better than Obama, or something corrupt Obama did that Romney didn’t, I have no problem talking about that. I have no problems simply telling the truth, the facts are the facts, regardless of how I feel about Romney. All I would be doing is telling the truth.

          • gekster

            You keep making a case more against Romney than you do Obama.
            It’s more like you suppoort Obama more than you do Romney.
            But then again, you post more like a lib than a conservative.

            Havn’t you posted more against Romney than you have against Obama.
            You have more to say anti Romney than anti Obama,
            Yes or no.
            And I have your posting history.

          • gekster

            Post your anti Romney stuff to the latenight stoners who just might balieve you,
            Good night tribles.

          • tnfriendofcoal101368

            I am copying what I have pasted before as someone who works in the energy industry…

            The Renewable Energy Trust Fund was set up before Mitt Romney?s election and the legislature did not bring up a bill to dismantle it after his election. At the time Mitt was Governor, the trust fund was 150 million. During Mitt?s time in the Governor?s mansion 4 investments were made from the trust fund totalling 9 million dollars. One of the investments was in a company that agreed to build a plant in Mass. The second was an investment of 2.5 million in Evergreen Solar that the state made money on. The other two if I recall were fuel cell manufacturers that went belly-up. The largest withdrawal from the trust fund was 17 million to balance the state budget which you can only imagine the environmental lobby went nuts over, so Mitt Romney?s largest environmental investment was actually to remove money and balance the state?s budget. As a comparison, Deval Patrick tentrupled the states bet from Romney?s more conservative one and the state got hosed. Romney’s record is hardly comparable to the near 5 billion in failed Obama administration investment.

          • garfieldjl

            What you have found is pretty interesting and could open up some lines of attack on Obama. I had asked if there was any information flying around on this some weeks back and nobody bothered to look. I don’t live out east, so there are some sources I don’t have access to, or probably wouldn’t think of.

          • tnfriendofcoal101368

            but you get the general idea, yes as Governor, Romney looked to invest in green energy initiatives but mostly as a way to create extra jobs for the state and no where near the levels of Obama or his successor in the Governor’s mansion. In addition, when the state had a budget shortfall, he took the money from the fund to balance the budget (i.e. this is not a priority for him, it is THE priority of the Obama administration.

            http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0212/72498_Page2.html

          • texasref

            I’m voting for Gingrich in my primary, but I know the writing is on the wall and will be voting against Obama in the general (and no I don’t mean third party, I mean the Republican candidate, but I can’t bring myself to type the words “voting for [insert the R-word here].”

            Our lances are too sharp and our arms too strong and sure to tilt at windmills. I will indulge one last windmill on primary election day. After that, it’s Republican nominee all the way, because we must show Obama the door. I can’t stand Romney, but I really can’t stand Obama.

          • garfieldjl

            Quite honestly I can’t stand bullies, and as easy as it would be to just leave, he’ll just move on to someone else and bully them.

            I’m also voting Gingrich in my primary, I’m not sold on Romney. The only reason I’m voting Republican in the general (at the Presidential level, cause I will have no issues with voting for either Mourdock or Lugar, no problem voting for Mike Pence for Governor) is because Obama even more of a slimeball than Romney.

            If Romney manages to improve his stature in my eyes fine, but I’m not going to prop someone up under false pretenses. There is plenty of things to go after in Obama’s record at least with the corruption stuff (there is some stuff that Romney doesn’t have something similar in his record).

          • gekster

            He is a mean bully cause he doesn’t accept the crap I post.
            Wahhh, my kitty hurts.
            I slam Romney and I say I support Republicans, but I slam the Republican nominee.
            Wahh, my kitty hurts.

            Did I sum that up precisly?

          • powertothepeople

            are known to be the “bullies,” Gekster is not a part of our club. It just so happens you came here with a ton of BS, thought people would accept the smelly crap without question, and instead they pointed out you are a moron all while you were proven to know nothing about politics, life, or anything else in general.

            Take your medicine like a man, you deserve it.

          • JSobieski

            This is another sign of really misjudging reality.

            Many people here at RS were here back in 2008, and we vehemently opposed Obama then.

            You just make stuff up:
            Newt’s surge in Delaware? Just made up without evidence

            RSers being closet supporters of Obama? Just made up without evidence.

            It would be nice to read something actually based on evidence.

          • garfieldjl

            http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2874502/posts

            The signs were there that a surge was happening. There were also 2 other endorsements for Newt.

            I could potentially find other sources to back up that as well.

            As far as people being here X number of years, people can change, you do realize that.

            It could also be gekster is attacking me because he doesn’t have any other way to respond to what I’ve pointed out.

          • JSobieski

            You haven’t been right about anything relating to Newt or Romney.

            There was no surge for Newt. He was crushed in Delaware.

            You thought there was a surge solely because you wanted there to be a surge.

            I hope to God that you do not have a job that puts other people’s lives at the mercy of your judgments.

          • avagreen

            I won’t be spending much time here, either. Too strident, and no criticism of Romney allowed, even though it’s the truth. The guy can win ( if he’s capable of doing so) even if the truth of mistakes is told, but apparently not allowed. Here at least.

            I hope Obama is beaten and will do my best to see that that happens, but I just can’t this strident tone on RS right now.

          • tnfriendofcoal101368

            If it means anything, I do believe garfield is a Conservative. I often don’t agree with what he writes, I don’t however doubt his sincerity. I am both an Evangelical Christian and Fiscal Conservative. Garfield, texasref: I really understand that Romney wasn’t the guy you wanted to win the nomination and if all you can commit to in the General is giving him your vote, then thank you. If it will help I can offer this:

            1) As President, Romney’s answer to border security won’t be to give assault weapons and grenades to Mexican drug cartels.
            2) Romney won’t give away 5 billion dollars to his political cronies disguised as investment in alternative energy
            3) His energy secretary won’t be selling woof tickets for $5 per gallon gasoline
            4) His policy won’t be regulations aimed at reducing natural gas and coal and flippantly say electricity prices will necessarily go up
            5) You will be getting the guy who when one of his employees daughters went missing, he shut his company down so his employees could help with the search and he got his vendors to put up posters and set up shop and was a large part in bringing her home.

            I hope you guys will come aboard and help us give Barack Obama an early Christmas gift in November. A nice set ofU-Hauls to move out of his current digs.

          • garfieldjl

            The information you provided was factual, there is nothing in what you said that could be taken apart as fluff.

            If Romney supporters in general behaved more like you, instead of bullying people like gekster, I think Romney would probably be in a lot better shape than he is currently.

            While I don’t think this would be enough to win in the general, it is a very good start and something that can be built off of.

          • gekster

            you have posted more amunition for Obama against Romney than any other poster here.

            Wait a minute,
            I was told you are the most conservative poster this site has ever seen.

            .
            Never mind.

          • garfieldjl

            If I wanted Obama to win, considering I think Romney was and still is the weakest possible choice to go against Obama, I would be shilling FOR Romney, and encouraging you to continue to bully people that aren’t sold on Romney.

            What I stated about you not making a case for Romney and someone making more of a case in 1 post than you have in a month is also my honest assessment of the situation. Truth hurts doesn’t it.

          • aesthete

            *walks away from retarded thread*

          • gekster

            You don’t have to explain nothing to me.

            You ARE the most conservative poster here, so I’ve been told.

            And Obama can take all of your posts and use them against Romney.
            I did ask how you would walk that back now that Romney will be the nominee.
            But you don’t feel the need to answer the questions I have posed to you, so don’t start now and break your streak.

            And are you still hopeing for a brokered convention.

            Wait, don’t answer. No need to.

          • JSobieski

            Jor El and Bruce Wayne would also be superior candidates.

            Me? I am supporting John the Baptist. Maybe with Wonderdop as VP.

          • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

            I’ll settle for John Knox.

          • acat

          • JSobieski

            Superman would be a great Speaker of the House.

            Spock could be Senate Majority Leader.

          • acat
          • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

            Edwards-Mather

          • CincoSolas_del_Bronx

            Can’t wait for Media in the Hands of an Angry Executive.

          • JSobieski

            We can run Mighty Mouse as a VP to have someone with better physical health/endurance.

            Superman is unfortunately not a natural born US citizen, so that suggestion was obviously not realistic.

            FYI—for you surge watchers out there, I noticed more Newt 2012 bumperstickers today than I did all of last week. Clearly a sign that Newt is on his way up, and that Romney is on his way down.

          • JSobieski

            I might as well demand that you defend your choice of Newt over a reincarnated Reagan zombie.

            Neither will happen.

            Here is the case for Romney:

            Romney will sign 90% of what comes out of the House.
            Obama won’t.

            I realize that this little nugget of reality means less to you than the endorsement of a mayor in some Delaware town that nobody has ever heard of.

            It is NEVER advantageous to deny reality. Conservatism means not being utopian and not being delusional. It also means learning from one’s mistakes.

            If you can’t see that your assessment of a Newt surge in Delaware is indicative of a lack of grounding in reality, you really should take a break from politics.

          • demsaresatanic

            in that miserable drivel. If you could read half as well as you misrepresent you would know that garf has been a consistently conservative poster.

          • Stricia

            when she writes of all things trashy and miserable drivel. After all, it is all she knows.

          • demsaresatanic

            http://www.redstate.com/erick/2012/03/16/against-partial-repeal/#comment-177276

          • gekster

            garfield is the most consevative poster on this site and
            we should follow what he posts, and take it as law.
            Basically what he is saying is Romney is just another Obama, so we should all support who he says should be our nominee.
            Can soneone please tell me who that is.
            Can someone tell me who is the one that will get the nomination away from Romney.
            I will throw my support behind that phantom candidate, and cheer that one on to the Presidency.
            Just let me know who our great conservative poster has picked who is left in the race.
            Just give me his name, and I will support that person.

          • powertothepeople

            Moronic, stupid, BS filled with gross inaccuracies and repetitive idiocy………….Absolutely.

          • JSobieski

            One of the big dangers in politics is when you just lie to yourself. I have done it before (Fred Thompson was drawing large enthusiastic crowds in Iowa in 2008, surely a sign of . . ..).

            You will be a more effective citizen if you can face reality squarely in the face.

            There was NO evidence of any Newt surge in Delaware. None.

            Time to take a break from politics my friend. Or time to get serious about what you say.

          • mswalnut

            he was merely responding to someone who mocked him for wrongly assessing the situation in DE. If you read how it came about, it is obvious he was not still trying to argue anything or not accepting reality.

            Is it really necessary to be so harsh on a fellow citizen for making the same mistake you yourself admitted to making in 2008?

          • JSobieski

            Lying to oneself is a bad bad bad thing to do.

            I re-read my comment, and it reads like tough love to me.

          • powertothepeople

            you have been overly patient with a repetitive moron who was and still remains unwilling to listen to wise counsel. The fact you still remained mostly civil is admirable, I and many others do not possess the patience you have demonstrated.

          • texasref

            instead of piling on with personal attacks?

            Don’t be lecturing Garfield about taking a break from politics or get serious, YOU get serious. YOU take a break.

            If your arguments are so damn strong, make them, demolish Garfield’s points, and move on. Much more persuasive.

            He’s right, all you’re doing is depressing turnout for Romney. At least you’re not helping.

            You Romneybots are much too snarky for your own good. And don’t reply with a He’s the nominee, I quite get that and as long as we have someone to go up against Obama that works for me.

          • gekster

            Republican in the general.
            It is the general now.
            Time to back the voters pick in the general.
            If you can’t do that, go away.

            And all you got is a cute pick.
            Other than that, well……

          • garfieldjl

            Not simply the talking point that Romney isn’t Obama…

            I thought you said you were a good researcher….

          • JSobieski

            Anyone kind just say stuff.

            Saying stuff without evidence is rightfully refuted.

            If requesting evidence makes me a Romneybot, you are giving Romney far too much credit.

          • garfieldjl

            That is usually an indication that there is a shift in general opinion in a particular state.

          • JSobieski

            Who made the endorsements?

            Any facts?

            Anything at all?

          • JSobieski

            Dover, DE – Newt 2012 announced today that Hans Reigle, Chairman of the Kent County Republican Party, is switching his support from Mitt Romney to Newt Gingrich. Reigle has also served as the Mayor of Wyoming, Delaware and over 20 years in the United States Air Force.

            ?I previously endorsed Governor Romney, but since then Newt is the only candidate who has shown a willingness to meet and talk with Delaware voters for more than hour,? said Hans Reigle. ?Over the past few weeks I?ve listened to Newt discussing his vision for achieving $2.50 gasoline, balancing the budget, and shrinking the size of government and it is exactly the kind of positive agenda we need for Delaware and America. I?m proud to switch my support to Newt Gingrich and cast my vote for him next Tuesday.?

            ?Hans is a dedicated Republican who understands the importance of local parties. I?m honored he has decided to join our team,? said Newt Gingrich. ?I look forward to working with Hans to share our positive message of job creation and lower gasoline prices across the state of Delaware ahead of Tuesday?s primary.?

          • JSobieski

            The Gingrich camp announced in an email blast Friday that Terry Spence, former Speaker of the Delaware House, is supporting the Georgia Republican’s presidential bid.

            “Under Newt’s leadership with the Contract With America, he led a team that balanced the budget, paid off the national debt, and reformed our welfare system,” Mr. Spence said in the release. “We desperately need Newt’s knowledge, experience, and bold leadership skills to get America back on the right track. While other candidates have ignored Delaware, Newt has been campaigning here aggressively and I encourage my fellow Delawareans to vote for Newt Gingrich next Tuesday.”

            On Thursday, the touted the endorsement of Geoff Klopp, president of the Correctional Officers Association of Delaware.

          • garfieldjl

            All I had to go on was the endorsements, the fact that a Romney endorser switched to Newt was the biggest bit of news for me.

            There are people that aren’t big names on a national level, that are well respected on local and state levels you do realize that.

          • JSobieski

            Really?? That is the lesson you draw?

            You base a “surge” on the flimsiest of evidence.
            The “surge” turns out to be a non-event.

            Your conclusion: JSobieski needs to rethink how he thinks.

            Who was right about the “surge” and who was wrong?

            Who is letting their desires impact their reasoning?

            Newsflash: I dislike Romney. I was for anybody but Romney for a long time. But i never let that cloud my sense of when a surge was occurring.

            If three endorsements with fewer google hits than a little league website constitute a “surge” in your mind, you aren’t really THINKING, you are desperately hoping.

          • garfieldjl

            Which it’s kinda odd for an endorser of the front runner to change to endorsing someone way behind unless.

            1. Something happened where he suddenly had major misgivings about Romney.

            or

            2. The political winds in Deleware had shifted.

            I guessed it was the 2nd case.

          • JSobieski

            But when Romney received lots of national endorsements, those were meaningless?

            If you can’t see the irrationality of your presumptions, I do seriously have concern for you.

          • JSobieski

            The other two endorsements were even less meaningful than the mayor.

            Just because you want something to happen to badly is not a reason to presume that it is happening. When you allow your desires to so cloud your judgment, you really do negate your ability to function well.

          • Stricia

            n/t

          • texasref

            (whatever the heck that means–psycho misspelled?)

            is YOU.

            Just once I’d like to see a comment thread where you don’t insist on having the last, nauseatingly verbose word.

          • gekster

            but I ain’t stupid. ;)

        • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

          Even McCain won by double digits, and the Obama sheen has long ago worn thin even among the koolaid drinkers.

          Obama will lose Texas by double digits, I am willing to bet dollars to donut.

          “I?m not the one that drew up that map gekster, Karl Rove did. What Karl Rove has put up, is not very encouraging.”

          Worst analysis since Dick Morris projected the Condi v Hillary fight in 2008.

          • tnfriendofcoal101368

            I posted this below, but really what Rove said is basically the polling has some early noise. Direct quote from the article: ?all of the lean Obama states will most likely move to toss up or lean Romney? and ? just about all the lean Romney states are Republican safe states.? It is more a warning that right now the polling is showing results that are basically non-sensible.

          • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

            OK. Thanks.

            All the more reason to ignore it as useless then.

          • tnfriendofcoal101368

            Like I said, you have to read the article to get his point and it actually is a salient one. Rove is saying the current polling showing a slight Obama lead is junk when you look at the components of the polling state by state. He is saying the race is essentially a dead heat if not leaning Romney. The politico article made it seem the other way because they didn’t provide the text with the picture.

  • tnfriendofcoal101368

    Rove says based on the most current polling that is what it looks like but it wouldn’t stay this way based on past results. In fact, he says that all of the states solid and leaning Romney won’t go Obama and many of the tossups like South Carolina will end up solid Romney i.e. there is noise in the most current polling. He said in the end the election will be decided in true tossups like Colorado, Nevada, North Carolina, Virginia, Florida, Ohio…i.e. the link that was sent out by the MSM was misleading. Here is the money quote: “”all of the lean Obama states will most likely move to toss up or lean Romney” and ” just about all the lean Romney states are Republican safe states.” Nothing here and certainly not the big deal the MSM mass e-mail made it seem.

  • JSobieski

    LOL

  • JSobieski

    Democrats and former Democrats who endorsed John McCain
    Bartle Bull (the elder), aide for Robert F. Kennedy.[44]
    Wendy Button, former speechwriter for Barack Obama, John Edwards, and Hillary Clinton.[45][46][47][48]
    Orson Scott Card, science fiction author and Democratic columnist[49] said that he supported and voted for Barack Obama during the primary season, but had become a McCain supporter by September 2008.[50]
    David Carlin, former Democratic majority leader of the Rhode Island Senate (pre-1992)[51]
    Mark W. Erwin, former U.S. Ambassador[52][53]
    Brenda Ferland, formerly Democratic member of the New Hampshire House of Representatives.[54][55]
    Dick A. Greco, former Mayor of Tampa, Florida[56]
    Doreen Howard, member of the New Hampshire House of Representatives[57]
    Paul Johnson, former Mayor of Phoenix, Arizona (1990?94)[58]
    Alexander M. Keith, former Lt. Governor (1963?1967) of Minnesota (conservative, member of the Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party)[59][60]
    Elaine Lafferty, former editor of Ms. (magazine)[61]
    Joe Lieberman, senator and 2000 Democratic vice-presidential candidate (ID-CT)
    Shelly Mandell, president of the Los Angeles, California chapter of National Organization for Women[62][63]
    Tim Penny, former Representative (1983?1995) (once a member of the Minnesota Democratic-Farmer-Labor Party)[60]
    Lady Lynn Forester de Rothschild, businesswoman and fundraiser for Hillary Clinton[64]
    Bill Veroneau, former mayor of Concord, New Hampshire[55]
    Stephen Wenzel, former state representative in Minnesota (Bush appointee to the USDA, since then he has only contributed to Republicans)[60][65]
    R. James Woolsey, Jr., former CIA Director under President Bill Clinton, who describes himself as a “Scoop Jackson Democrat.”[66]

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Democratic_and_liberal_support_for_John_McCain_in_2008#Democrats_and_former_Democrats_who_endorsed_John_McCain

    McCain won in 2008 right? I mean, we are talking significant endorsements—people who switched sides and all. Must have been a great victory for McCain….

  • JSobieski

    nt

    • Ender

      but you are arguing with a nitwit impervious to logic.

  • Xasteius

    We’re dealing with the Chicago-style politics, and although Romney (unlike McCain) is willing to get his hands dirty, this will be a nasty election.

    Assuming Obama will be defeated is very arrogant, and I think that Rove and Allahpundit are right in that we can lose this election. The only poll that matters is the final one at the ballot box, but that statement cuts in two directions.

    • Xasteius

      desires to stay in power. The margin of error for this election needs to be at least +5 points in our favor because I am convinced there will be a lot of potential voter fraud in this election, and the US DOJ is not interested in enforcing the law. We need to work like we are 5 points behind.

    • http://travismonitor.blogspot.com Freedoms Truth

      Objectively, Obama has a thin record and a weak economy.

      3 things make it hard for Romney:
      1. Mediabias, libral bias is giving Obama free campaign $$$ every day. Like the Bin Laden ‘interview’ that just happens to coincide with Obama campaign event. or the ‘cool’ Obama visits to reach out to the ignorant voters who only pay attention to latenight stuff etc.
      2. Obama’s incumbency give him powers in fundraising and (ab)use of taxpayer money to run for re-election
      3. GOP party fractures and the conservative distrust of Romney may lead to a weak campaign and/or ground game, when Obama is renowned for his ground game.

      Romney should have an edge but he needs to exploit it. Only if he has a strong campaign can he overcome the 3 challenges and biases that help obama.

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