Climate “Researchers” Discover That Antarctica Is Cold


In Other News, Water Is Wet....

Behind the “Contributors” curtain at RedState, we often toss things we’ve found over to others who may be more qualified to use them. For example, your humble correspondent found that Pravda story about Hillary(TM) meaning four years of war - and tossed it over to Moe since he is the master of snark.

Yesterday, Josh (Painter) found a new piece on “global warming” and tossed it over to me.

I generally don’t see much value in “channeling” an article unless I can either make worthwhile added comments of my own, or add something to it.

In this case, I’ll link to the article, but it provides a great chance to discuss a couple of critical scientific aspects of “global warming” (or whatever it’s being called this week) that simply get far too little attention.

More below the fold….

The entire article comes from Senator Inhofe’s continual battle to bring some sanity to Capitol Hill on this issue; the whole article is here.

But from here, your humble correspondent wants to note two critical-but-badly-neglected things.

First:

John Christy is a pretty solid non-believer of the whole AGW thing; he’s known for that. But this devastating quote from him is worth further discussion:

Climatologist Dr. John Christy of the University of Alabama in Huntsville questioned the study. “One must be very cautious with such results because they have no real way to be validated,” Christy told the AP. “In other words, we will never know what the temperature was over the very large missing areas that this technique attempts to fill in so that it can be tested back through time,” Christy added.

This is something I’ve continually tried to point out, since there’s something that gets lost in the shuffling of attempts to study “temperature” over large ranges of space (and time). “Temperature” can only exist as a definable quantity at a particular location in space at a particular point in time. That’s just basic physics - and once you go beyond that, you are entering a realm of murk that is much less enlightening and much less exact.

I’ve occasionally used the notion of pondering how one would define the “average” temperature for, say, the state of Virginia - right now. How many locations would you have to use? How dense would the “grid” have to be in space? How do you scale the densities for places that have more variability in a smaller amount of space? And given the climatic extent of Virginia…. what would some “average” temperature even mean? And could we assign data-like-exactitude to that number?

I guess another analogy for those of you in multi-person households would be the following. You can more-or-less readily (within the constraints of the accuracy of measuring tools and other uncertainities) measure the height or weight of every member of the household. That gives you real data on each specific person. You could then compute an average height or an average weight for your household - and produce a number. But exactly what this number means or what it tells us…. raw data (which has clear meaning) has been “processed” into something that produces a number, but the actual “content” of that number is much lower.

One core problem always faced in science and technology is actually partially illuminated by that analogy. It’s always important to carefully evaluate what you actually can “know” and what you are not really able to “know.” The mere ability to compute numbers does not mean that those numbers have solid meaning.

A further problem is that thinking unfortunately often flows in this fashion: “We can’t really know that, but it would be very nice if we could; ergo, we’ll just pretend that we can, and act accordingly.” This kind of thinking also explains a lot about the present financial crises, but that’s another story.

But it leads into….

Second:

The Inhofe entry cited above links to the main NASA data graph that is being cited for indicating “warming” in Antarctica. Here it is:

Because of my background and experience, I always cringe when I see a graph like that being used to draw deterministic conclusions - or to provide the basis for a claim of a secular shift in the underlying system under study. If you go to the NASA page that contains this graph (here), there’s a link at the bottom where you can download a text file of the “data” used in the chart.

That’s a bit interesting for two reasons. The first is that the “annual average” is an average of averages. Each “annual average” is computed by averaging together the monthly averages - or perhaps from quarterly averages computed from the monthly averages. How the monthly averages are computed isn’t stated, but that’s probably done by using the daily averages. Historically, daily averages are computed by averaging the measured high temperature and the measured low temperature for each particular midnight-delineated 24-hour day. (At the South Pole, some 24-hour line of some sort would have to be chosen, since “midnight” doesn’t exist.) The National Weather Service has been compiling hourly temperature data at domestic stations for a bit more than a decade, but I don’t think that those are used in computing “daily averages.”

This is a somewhat inexact approach to trying to reach an exact result. Note the multiple layers of “averages” (three or four) that are used; this is not exactly a precise method of approaching the problem, even from a purely-numerical point of view. This is on top of the obvious “experimental” uncertainty introduced by (apparently) defining a “daily average” merely from the 24-hour measured high temperature and measured low temperature - that rather loose definition will introduce uncertainties that will propagate upward into the larger calculations.

The resulting computed “annual averages” are reported in degrees-C and to two figures past the decimal place; that level of reporting implies (by basic error analysis) that the level of knowledge is within +/- 0.01 degrees-C - something that is basically impossible (either metrologically or numerically).

The other interesting note about the data set you can download is that very large chunks of it - even in rather recent years - are missing. Of the several lines visible on the earlier graph, this implies that the data available for the download corresponds to the blue line in the graph - which has significant gaps that appear to correspond to the gaps in the available data file.

Still, as noted above, attempts to construct graphs like this for the purpose of drawing conclusions…. as stated earlier, because of my background and experience, this is bothersome. Here’s why.

With all the gaps in that data set, I went out and managed to find a better set of Antarctic temperature data for the same years - 1957 to 2008. Here is my plot of that data:

This is a very interesting graph, since it appears to show the 1970s cooling trend, the sharp rise in temperatures that peaked with the 1998 “El Nino” event, and then the modest cooling trend that’s evolved since then. In fact….

Oh, sorry, wait a minute. That graph got clipped a little bit during editing. Here’s the full display that includes the y-axis:

Strange temperature axis? Well, that’s the fun of this stuff. I actually produced this “temperature data” by rolling a pair of dice 52 times in sequence, compiling the roll-results in order, and numbering them (rather than 1 - 52) 1957 - 2008. By fortuity, it simply happened to produce the apparent “trends” that roughly correspond to the kinds of “trend” data (such as the NASA chart) produced earlier.

Einstein, annoyed at the non-determinism inherent in quantum mechanics, harrumphed that “God does not play at dice with the universe.” Einstein turns out to have been wrong about quantum mechanics of course.

But we can see that when we look at climate, God playing at dice provides a pretty good explanation of what’s going on.

“Climate” and “weather” behave statistically. That’s something you learn just by living - but if you bother to look at the problem properly, that reality asserts itself pretty dramatically….

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40 years isn't enough time

beaming Friday, January 23rd at 11:40AM EST (link)

to see a true pattern for something like climate change.

Global warming is the biggest hoax to scare the dumbed down masses and ultimately control them that has ever been shoved down their throats.

The earth has been going through climate changes for millions of years. The single biggest effect on our climate is the sun. The second is the orbit of the earth around the sun. Does anyone besides Algore believe we will never experience another ice age? What are they teaching in our schools today? Is all the knowledge man has learned going to be shoved aside for a socialistic world?

An old man told me, a long time ago when I was younger, he would continue to learn until they laid him 6 feet under. With that in mind I checked out http://www.iceagenow.com and continue to keep an open mind.

The hardly teach any science at all

Achance Friday, January 23rd at 12:00PM EST (link)

unless you specifically go for a college prep or advanced placement curriculum. The average kid can get a HS Diploma and remain as ignorant of science as a medieval peasant.

In Vino Veritas

 
 

Averaging averages of averages?

The_Gadfly Friday, January 23rd at 11:56AM EST (link)

They taught me not to do that in my high school Probability and Statistics class.

Bad NASA! Bad! Come over here while I put this lead weight on your foot and make you stand in this water of average depth 2 inches cover a square mile.

We’ve been called racists enough now that it shouldn’t bother us any more.

-AChance, http://www.redstate.com/moe_lane/2009/11/03/what-men-may-do-we-have-done/#comment-24463

If NY23 was a beat down for Conservatives, what do you call what happened to Progressives in NJ and VA?

inspired by ColdWarrior, http://www.redstate.com/hooah_mac/2009/11/04/ny-23-the-agony-of-defeat-not-so-much/#comment-156

Climate Audit

ehosterman Friday, January 23rd at 12:16PM EST (link)

has an interesting article on how the Antarctic tempaerature is being “Mann-handled”.
http://www.climateaudit.org/?p=4914#comments

As usual if the data doesn’t fit their models, they massage the data to fit the model. Apparently, where data doesn’t exist, NASA is extrapolating other data to fill in. It’s amazing what some people regard as science.

 
 

Always use the term "Global Warming"

Scope Friday, January 23rd at 11:57AM EST (link)

If you are a non-believer in the Gore Doctrine, always refer to it as Global Warming as that is how they sold the entire false notion in the first place. I believe I read we are actually coming into a period of Global Cooling, which concided with the “new” term Climate Change. Keep them at their original word, and keep reminding them that our worst nightmare that was to happen- the world is burning up, and remember- “it has a fever.”

I believe I read today that in Fla. the crops were either in danger or were harmed by “cold wheather.”

 

At last count, there were over 31,072

Praying Friday, January 23rd at 12:30PM EST (link)

American scientists who have signed the Global Warming petition project (http://www.petitionproject.org) indicating their skepticism of the “science” of global warming, including 9,021 with PhDs If you have a B.S., M.S., or Ph.D. in a science field, you too are eligible to sign the petition. The Second Annual International Conference on Climate Change is being held March 8 - 10 in New York, and signees of the petition are eligible for 20% off their registration.

For a well written, easy to understand article on the “science” of global warming, I refer you to the following article:
CO2 Fairytales in Global Warming
By Gregory Young, January 11, 2009, AmericanThinker.com
Good charts, graphs, and excellent arguments that we would all know if we hadn’t been educated in America’s public schools!

Thanks for the petition link

daggit Friday, January 23rd at 2:23PM EST (link)

I didn’t know about that. Mine will be in the mail today.

 
 

false precision is a common problem today.

Old_Crow Friday, January 23rd at 12:48PM EST (link)

It’s roots are in raising a generation that does not understand the fundamentals of math, probability, and statistics. You can see the results in haphazard scientific studies as well as Wall Street finance.

“Enlightened statesmen will not always be at the helm.” — James Madison
“So this is how liberty dies.. with thunderous applause” — Star Wars III

 

Making mountains out of mole-hills

scottbomb Friday, January 23rd at 1:58PM EST (link)

Let’s see, a graph that shows a mean temp. fluctuation between 47.6 - 51.7 degrees celcius. That’s a WHOPPING 4.1 degrees of fluctuation! Good Lord, the place is about to melt. Those poor penguins!

http://www.HowObamaGotElected.com

“The American people will never knowingly adopt socialism. But, under the name of ‘liberalism’, they will adopt every fragment of the socialist program, until one day America will be a socialist nation, without knowing how it happened.” - Norman Thomas, U.S. Socialist Party presidential candidate 1940, 1944 and 1948

 

Nice wrap....

evanm Friday, January 23rd at 2:03PM EST (link)

…but I think you may be giving pro-warming climate researchers too much credit.

Criticisms about the precision of climate measurements are valid, but don’t explain an overall warming trend, because the ‘noise’ of inaccuracy should cut both ways. Even if it overwhelms the true trends, it should sometimes overwhelm them up, and sometimes down.

But these models and studies are always imprecise in a way that projects a warmer climate. So, either the Earth is really warming, or the method used to process the data has a bias towards warming current temperatures, or cooling past ones, or both (or, come to think of it, all three).

A bias towards warming current temperatures and cooling old ones… that would be a strange coincidence, wouldn’t it?

 

Thanks for the discussion of ...

skorrent1 Friday, January 23rd at 3:25PM EST (link)

The actual meaning of “average temperature” over time and space.

It reminds me of a fable I composed while studying “aggregate value” in economics.
“We can derive much useful information from the study of elephants’ eggs. Of course, we all know that elephants don’t lay eggs, but, if they did they would be quite remarkable. For example, the color of elephants’ eggs tells us …”

 

Response From The Cultists

davo119 Friday, January 23rd at 7:32PM EST (link)

Hands over ears, “I can’t hear you lalalalalalalalalalalala!”

Michael Crichton’s “State Of Fear ” is required reading on the subject of global warming and population control in general.

Never give in! Never! Never! Never!

 

Czech president attacks Al Gore's climate campaign

antisocial Saturday, January 31st at 9:26PM EST (link)

http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=CNG.a18bbb18df8422d8340c4db2e8eb4388.1131&show_article=1

I’ll post here to save following link:

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Czech President Vaclav Klaus took aim at climate change campaigner Al Gore on Saturday in Davos in a frontal attack on the science of global warming.

“I don’t think that there is any global warming,” said the 67-year-old liberal, whose country holds the rotating presidency of the European Union. “I don’t see the statistical data for that.”

Referring to the former US vice president, who attended Davos this year, he added: “I’m very sorry that some people like Al Gore are not ready to listen to the competing theories. I do listen to them.

“Environmentalism and the global warming alarmism is challenging our freedom. Al Gore is an important person in this movement.”

Speaking on the sidelines of the World Economic Forum, he said that he was more worried about the reaction to the perceived dangers than the consequences.

“I’m afraid that the current crisis will be misused for radically constraining the functioning of the markets and market economy all around the world,” he said.

“I’m more afraid of the consequences of the crisis than the crisis itself.”

Klaus makes no secret of his climate change scepticism — he is also a fierce critic of the European Union — and has branded the world’s top panel of climate experts, the UN’s IPCC, a smug monopoly.
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PS: Josh I wanted to post this to your diary “Al Gore’s Big Chill”. Not open for comment….

No you can’t - Moe Lane
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The Emperor has no clothes!!!
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Republicans who lost the Crap-and-Raid fight in the House -
Mary Bomo Mac (CA-45)
Mike Castle (DE)
Mark Kirk (IL-10)
Frank A. LoBiondo (NJ-02)
Chris Smith (NJ-04)
Leonard Lance (NJ-07)
John M. McHugh (NY-23)
Dave Reichert (WA-08)

 

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