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How about a Thanksgiving pardon/commute for Ramos+Compean W. ?

By: skicougar (Diary)  |  November 25th, 2008 at 09:49 AM  | 

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As you know Agents Ignacio Ramos and Jose Alonso Compean sit in prison for defending our borders despite questionable prosecutor charges at best.

Every thanksgiving, the president pardons people and he has done the same this week.

Now, the president has said he will not pardon them, but there is no reason that he shouldn’t commute their sentences.

So, if you have some time; please send the white house an email: comments@whitehouse.gov, or give them a call 202-456-1414 and let them know that this is the very least that the president can do for these two men who chose to protect the United States.

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  • E_Pluribus_Unum

    But sadly, the scuttlebutt we hear from inside the administration suggests there will be no justice from President Bush.

    • kweiss01

      Send an e-mail blast to everyone you know — even non-RedStaters, and ask them to e-mail the White House. I even sent a template to make it easier (see below).

      Dear Sir:

      I?d like to ask that you commute the sentences for the former Border Patrol Agents, Jose Compean and Ignacio Ramos.

      The ten year sentence due to the 924(c) firearm charge was patently unjust ? this law was not meant to apply to law enforcement agents and the circumstances of the incident do not warrant this jail term.

      Sincerely,

  • Jaded

    Isn’t this just to insane….Durbin our troops are like nazi’s wants Bush to give Gov Ryan a Presidential pardon!

    Hey Durbin you freak of nature how about you and your buddies put a bill through to get two Border Guards doing their jobs out of jail for the President to sign instead of worrying about political friends….you hateful little thug of a man!

  • mbecker908

    Obama. If he feels the need to pump his “law & order” creds with the right he’ll pardon/commute their sentence. Otherwise, they’re in for the duration.

  • tankertodd

    From what I read the convictions were warranted. I would definitely support commutation of their sentence. Shooting a drug dealing border jumper is morally right, if not all the other issues of the case. It’s definitely not worth 8 years in Fed prison.

    • gensec

      I agree. My reading was that they went outside the rules, and deserved to be fired – not sure about punishment beyond that. But a long prison sentence for reacting badly in a panicky situation is nuts.

      • olsmithie

        Geo43 continues to be a disappointment right up to the end on everything but national security, (if you don’t count the border.)

        Kind of reminds me of Daddy Bush having federal prosecutors go after cops that had already been aquitted by the court in Kalifornia in the Rodney King deal…

        A jury of their peers wasn’t good enough for Daddy Bush, so you can see where Jr. might have picked up his strange sense of justice.
        Scares me to think about Jeb running. He seems like a fine fellow on the surface, but so did the other 2 disasters named Bush. Heaven save us from another Bush.

        Regards

        • GregInFla

          to be used against law enforcement officers in the performance of their duties. They violated an official procedure. That’s it. I just sent the White House a note.

          Please commute Campean and Ramos sentences to Time Served. If you can do this to Mr. Libby, who deserved the commutation, and to some popular rap stars who actually deal drugs instead of protect us from drug dealers, you can do this for the Campean and Ramos families. The gun law was never intended to be used against law enforcement officers. You know that, I know that.

          • Doc_Holliday

            Bush has always been week on illegal immigration from Mexico. In fact, he thought his primary ally in 2000 would be the President of Mexico, not the Prime Minister of the UK, which is traditional.

            If Bush does not pardon these men, he will fall so far down in my esteem, he will become a waste. I have defended him as a “good man” through all the problems over the last 8 years. Many of these problems he fought well, and many were not of his making. But it seems he will always be at heart the Governor or Texas, and we see how Texas demographics are changing.

            But this is an issue of right and wrong. If Bush can not see who the good guys are, and who the bad guys are, then I have no further use for him. I do not say this lightly, his own party deserted him long ago and gained nothing from it.

            I still think he is a good man, but if he does not pardon these better men, then he will be long forgotten, and not in a good way.

          • Jaded

            nt

          • Jim_Tomasik

            .

          • Scope

            From what I understand, Bush cannot pardon Ramos and Compean, but he can commute their sentences. In order for a pardon, they must have served at least 5 years of their sentence. To commute their sentences, they must have started serving their sentences, and must have exhausted all appeals. They more than meet those requirements. The latest appeal was denied very recently. Only Ramos has filed for a commutation to Bush as a result of the recent ruling. Compean’s lawyers will surely engage.

            These men should not have spent the first day in jail, and they would not have if Patrick Fitzgerald had allowed all of the evidence into the courtroom, such as Aldreta’s prior drug running activities. This is a case where take no prisoners should have prevailed.

          • SteveLA

            Greg

            Help me out here with your assertion “to be used against law enforcement officers in the performance of their duties. They violated an official procedure. “

            Which “official procedure”?

            The shooting an unarmed fleeing suspect in the butt?

            or

            Covering up that shooting?

            It gets so confusing on how to ignore the conservative principle of law and order when we want to “overlook” criminal behavior of those who we give a badge to because we don’t like the offender. I guess that New Orleans PD standards should apply to the Border Patrol.

          • Doc_Holliday

            Well it is a shame they were ever convicted. A commutation still makes them felons right? So their lives will always be damaged. Then again, they should be free and possibly we all can help them overcome the Scarlet Letter Fitzgerald has placed on their chests.

          • bc3

            If you followed the case closely (including the Senate hearings) more closely, you’d know:

            1. The government supressed information from the jury that would have likely affected the verdict. The judge, a family court judge before her appointment, was likely in over her head

            2. Several members of the jury said they were instructed the judge would not accept a hung jury

            3. A Justice Department official provided false testimony during Congressional hearings

            4. Everyone involved in the Senate hearings. From John Cornyn – a former judge – to Dianne Feinstein agreed that: 1) there were numerous irregularities in the trial (Cornyn said he never saw judicial rulings that were so one-sided)
              2) The senate committee sent a letter to President Bush unanimously recommending a communtation

            5. When asked about a commutation at a town hall meeting, George Bush said “My good friend Johnny Sutton is a fair man.”

          • SteveLA

            I’m getting even more confused, must have slept through something in civics class.

            Senate hearings on a matter which was adjudicated in a court of law, were they investigating how to spend more money or something? About all that I can find the past Republican lead Senate over the last 8 years good for by the way.

            Far as juries saying things after a verdict, did anyone ask them if Elvis had weighed in on the matter, holds about as much weight.

            Sense there’s been all this Strum and Dang in these parts about returning to true conservative values, one of those values I beleive in would a judiciary free of political pressure. Senate hearings by partisans from ether the Right or the Left are not very conservative from my point of view. Can you explain the constitutional basis, or even a true conservative point of view under which a do nothing Senate stuck their noses into this topic?

          • Doc_Holliday

            I know, she is a liberal, but she does seem to be a “maverick” at times. BTW, this should be at the top of the rec list, these are men’s lives we are talking about. We can help these men rebuild their lives and then go after “Rockefeller Repubicans”.

            Even Dianne Feinstein wanst Ramos and Companean commuted

          • streetwise
          • simpson316

            It seems highly self-serving to me. Maybe he’s hoping that Ryan would have his back in a few years to petition President Obama to commute his sentence.

          • GregInFla

            That its laws are being enforced correctly by the executive branch. Plus, these guys are Ramos’ and Campean’s representatives.

          • mbecker908

            All they care about is that their power over daily life is extended, they get more money for staff and free travel to exotic places to investigate stuff.

            They don’t give a rip about “right” or “justice”. If they did, they’d enter into a mutual mass suicide pact.

          • Leon_H_Wolf

            I’m pretty much fine with punishing law enforcement officers who use deadly force when not privileged to do so. I’m furthermore fine with confining the privilege in the context of fleeing felons to those who pose an imminent danger to the public or others. Those constraints are in place for a valid reason.

          • Leon_H_Wolf

            I’m surprised at the number of people on this list who apparently think that running from the cops ought to be a capital offense, sentence to be imposed and executed by the police on the spot.