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Jay Cost on the DE GOP Senate Primary: If you want to repeal Obamacare in the future, vote for Mike Castle now.

Jay Cost, who came to my attention when he started blogging at Real Clear Politics, is IMO one of the clearest and deepest thinkers on the nuts-and-bolts of politics on the street today. Check out his “Horse Race” blog, and you’ll see what I mean.

Jay now blogs at Weekly Standard; from there he weighed in on the Castle/O’Donnell race in DE. He sides with Castle. In so doing, Jay’s not thinking so much of 2010…but 2012.

Republicans can peel back much of Obamacare through de-funding, but a full-blown repeal is probably going to require not only a new president, but a filibuster-proof majority in the Senate.

That is a possibility, though it won’t be easy. The GOP is currently 19 seats short of a filibuster-proof majority, but this year polling averages suggest that the party is currently set to pick up 8 seats.

Then in 2012, scores of Democrats are up for reelection: in California, Florida, Hawaii, Maryland, Michigan, Minnesota, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, New Jersey, New Mexico, North Dakota, Ohio, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, Virginia, Washington, and Wisconsin.

The GOP just cannot win some of these seats, e.g. Hawaii, but if the Republicans are strong enough to take the White House in 2012, they will probably be on the attack in many of these states. I count 12 seats in states that either went for Bush in 2004 or for which Bush was campaigning heavily. An R+5 year could tip many of these seats to the GOP. So, it’s possible.

But this also means that every seat counts. Mike Castle voted against ObamaCare, and he has co-sponsored the bill to repeal it. Is he really worth going after? A pickup of 19 seats in two years is a monumentally difficult task. It seems to me that at a time when the party needs every seat it can get, Castle can get one.

Yes, Castle’s a RINO. He’s guilty as charged there.

But…how many of us realized that we need nineteen Senate seats in order to repeal Obamacare? Yikes!

If you want to just neuter it, through legislation—OK; you don’t need 19. You can take a risk on someone like Christine O’Donnell.

But, if you really want to repeal Obamacare, you’ll need 60 votes in the Senate. And, just how many of the remaining Democrats will be likely to come over to our side? Only the most hardcore partisans, from the most blue states, will be left behind. They will be virtually immune to persuasion. In fact, they’ll probably think they’re on a sacred mission to preserve a prized liberal legislative accomplishment.

If we’ll want to invoke cloture, we’ll need the ability to do it ourselves.

Imagine the money the GOP will have to spend in the Delaware TV market to shore up O’Donnell. Don’t you think that, if the Dems see a suddenly-very-winnable seat Senate seat open up in very blue territory, they’ll flood that place with resources? Can the Tea Party Express and Sarah Palin cover O’Donnell’s bills?

If O’Donnell wins, and then posts some pretty sour poll numbers in late September, expect the NRSC to triage her candidacy, write her off and move elsewhere. To a seat that’s more winnable—Dino Rossi, for instance. And, frankly, it would be hard to blame them.

Do I wish Delaware had the same electorate Alaska does, or Utah? You bet. Does it? No. Can we Hannitize it by the time early balloting starts for the general election? Doubtful.

If you’re trying to rationalize supporting Mike Castle in 2010, think of how many Ds are sitting in Senate seats from states that should have elected an R in the past two election cycles—Jim Webb, Jon Tester, Mark Pryor, Claire McCaskill, Kay Hymans. All from states where an R should have won, but didn’t. Five votes we should have in the Senate, but don’t, and won’t until at least January 2013.

Think of it this way: we let those get away, so we should be ready to compromise here, and take advantage of a once-in-a-generation opportunity, to steal back a seat in a blue state and thus mitigate our losses. At least a little bit.

Just to be clear, when the primary is over, I’m 100% for the GOP nominee. No appeals to the Delaware Libertarian Party (is there one?) or calls for write-in campaigns from me.

Neverthless, this is the time for cold, clear practical thinking and choice-making. It’s not the time to be Pollyanish.

COMMENTS

  • JadedByPolitics

    would NOT vote repeal Obamacare anymore then he would NOT vote to ENSLAVE the United States to Cap & Tax!

    • smagar

      Also IIRC, Castle’s said he’s open to doing so once a Republican president has been elected. I.e., someone who won’t veto an Obamacare override bill.

      • redtillimdead

        And to get that, we need DE and Mike Castle.

    • Xasteius

      Tell him (Castle) that he’ll be moving to a windowless office with a milk crate for a desk that’s cold in the winter and hot in the summer if he misbehaves.

      • finaljeopardy

        “The only business that should be conducted during a lame-duck session of Congress is keeping the government running until the newly elected legislators are sworn in. I do not agree with those who say this period of time should be used for passing controversial legislation and would not play a role in helping to circumvent the will of American voters.?

        The author also raised another salient point, by comparison. “With Christine O?Donnell, all we have are promises. We can?t evaluate her on her record in elected office because she has no record. O?Donnell seems determined to begin her political career by winning a U.S. Senate seat; she has never served in a local board of education, town or city council, state legislature, etc. Her next general-election victory will be her first.”

        To be blunt, she has some character issues that should bother conservatives. Castle might not have a high ACU rating, but he is honest. You know where you stand with him. He has worked hard to be where he is and takes his career seriously. You can look over his voting record here: http://www.nationalreview.com/campaign-spot/245790/just-what-mike-castles-voting-record

  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    Jay Cost’s opinions rest on several faulty premises:

    First, both the Delaware Republican Party and the Republican Party generally are static and won’t change. In fact, as I’ve written here a few times, both are ripe for the taking by conservatives if they’d just get inside the local party committee meetings en masse and become “card carrying members” of the Party.

    Second, that Obama will veto repeal of Obamacare. He has a wounded presidency. It may get worse for him. Much worse. And, some Dem senators might actually vote to repeal Obamacare.

    I know very little about the make up of Delaware’s Republican Party local, county and state committees. But, in looking the Del. GOP web site, and the RNC web site, I think I can discern a few things. A very quick perusal of the the Delaware Republican Party web site shows that it was created, in toto, by the RNC. And, from looking at the site, it seems clear the Del. GOP does not want any new blood in its precinct committeeman ranks, because their web site says NOTHING about how to become a voting member of the Party.

    They want you to volunteer. They want your money. They want you to “join” them. But they don’t say a word about becoming an actual “card carrying member” of the Party with full voting rights INSIDE the Party to cast votes for the candidates for the internal party leadership positions — where the real power lies.

    Take a look at what Michael Steele’s RNC has done to meddle in the Delaware Republican Party primary election:

    Republican National Committee And The Delaware Republican Party Announce D2H Victory Campaign
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    August 2010

    Posted by: Michael Short
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    WASHINGTON ? The Republican National Committee (RNC) today announced Delaware?s D2H Victory campaign, a critical component in the RNC?s Delaware to Hawaii (?D2H?) strategy to compete aggressively in all fifty states. Through this program, the RNC and the Delaware Republican Party are building the in-state campaign structure to support Republican candidates with funding for staff and offices, state-of-the-art voter contact technologies, and improved voter identification capacity through access to the RNC?s vast database of voter information.

    ?The Delaware Republican Party has built an unprecedented campaign operation this cycle and this partnership with the RNC will push us across the goal line to victory in November,? said RNC Chairman Michael Steele. ?This investment provides the tools and resources to build on our Republican momentum and send a clear message to the White House that an endless reliance on growing government to create jobs has failed.?

    ?The resources that the RNC is providing will amplify the Republican message and motivate voters to get to the ballot box,? said Tom Ross, Chairman of the Delaware Republican Party. ?Mike Castle, Michele Rollins, and our team of Republican candidates are offering Delawareans leadership that protects them from a massive expansion of government while offering policies that promote innovation, the entrepreneurial spirit, and job creation. Delaware?s D2H Victory campaign is unprecedented in its size and scope and I am very excited about its potential to attract thousands of volunteers and supporters.?

    www.gop.com/index.php/news/comments/republican_national_committee_and_the_delaware_republican_party_announce_d2/

    Take a look at the Delaware Republican Party Victory Plan. It’s all Mike Castle:

    http://www.delawaregop.com/victory.aspx

    Are there not thousands of conservative Republicans and “independents” in Delaware who could be convinced to try to UNITE inside the Delaware Republican Party to take it back from the moderates? I dunno. I sure hope so.

    For Liberty,
    ColdWarrior, PC (that?s ?precinct committeeman,? not ?political child!?)
    Conservatives, UNITE! CHANGE the Republican Party and save the world by UNITING INSIDE the Party as precinct committeemen. NOW! (52 days until Nov. 2 — what are YOU DOING to help get out the vote in your precinct?)

    Please help GOTV!

    • smagar

      Let’s say I stipulate to all your points> Let’s say that conservatives can take over the Delaware GOP.

      IMO, that’s beside the bigger point.

      Can Christine O’Donnell win the general? Isn’t that the key question here?

      • SirGladiator

        Is would you rather have a chance of winning this seat with a Conservative, or just give this seat back to the liberals on Tuesday. Of course we could debate the exact numbers all day long, will O’Donnell get a post-primary bounce and have the lead over the Democrat after the primary or will she still be behind? If she’s still behind will it be a couple points or 7 or 8 points? That’s all speculation, but what is unmistakable is that if she wins the fall campaign will be a Conservative vs a liberal, and if Castle wins the race will be a liberal vs a liberal.

        Wouldn’t it be sad if Conservatives didn’t learn their lesson from Illinois? In Illinois we were told that the state was too liberal to elect a Conservative, so we should nominate Kirk, and that’s what happened. However there was also a Governor’s race, and in a crowded field somehow the Tea Party guy finished a super-narrow first. Oh no, the dreaded Conservative won the primary in a blue state, we’ve given the seat away, its blowout city! Blowout city it is….the Tea Party candidate is blowing out the Democrat! Meanwhile, the lovely liberal guy, the unbeatable ‘moderate’ Republican (moderate compared to Michael Moore anyway), is somewhere around tied-slightly behind a guy who is hated by most everybody in the state. The Dem is a total joke of a candidate, and yet the ‘perfect’ candidate for the state isn’t winning at all. Illinois Conservatives sacrificed their principles to nominate a ‘liberal who can win’, while somehow just enough of them voted for the right guy in the Governor’s race, even though he was one of those ‘too Conservative to win in a blue state’ Tea Party guys, and he’s winning in a cakewalk.

        The principle here is first and foremost to always vote for a Conservative against a liberal. The other key point here is, the ‘Washington conventional wisdom’ is just totally wrong. This isn’t the year to nominate liberal Establishment Republicans and expect the swing voters, the Independent, Tea Party voters, to get behind them. They got behind the Conservative in Illinois and he’s way ahead, in the Senate race though they haven’t made a decision, so the liberal Republican isn’t winning yet, and nobody knows who’s going to win that one. Let’s not make that same mistake in Delaware. Vote for the Conservative because its the right thing to do, vote for the Conservative because Conservatives are more likely to win this year than moderate-liberal Republicans, but by all means vote for the Conservative.

        • smagar
  • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior

    Are you in Delaware? Are you a precinct committeeman there?

    Is Jay Cost?

    I’d like to hear from Redstaters who are actually Delaware residents, are Delaware Republican Party precinct committeemen, and involved in GOTV in Delaware.

    I acknowledged I’m not in Delaware.

    But I do know this:

    IF CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS IN DELAWARE actually exist, who have been sitting on the sidelines of politics for decades, and will actually get involved in GOTV between now and Tuesday for O’Donnell, and thereafter get involved in Party politics, they could change the outcome of the election and the Del. Repub. Party.

    Don’t you think those are good goals?

    Thanks,
    CW

    • smagar

      Are you in Delaware? Are you a precinct committeeman there? Is Jay Cost?

      IF CONSERVATIVE REPUBLICANS IN DELAWARE actually exist, who have been sitting on the sidelines of politics for decades, and will actually get involved in GOTV between now and Tuesday for O?Donnell, and thereafter get involved in Party politics, they could change the outcome of the election and the Del. Repub. Party.

      Awful lot of “ifs” and “coulds” there. The Philadelphia Eagles could move to Wilmington, too.

      Sometimes, we have to try to win elections with the electorate we have, now—instead of the one we want to help build shape in the future.

      • jonreagan

        It’s worth noting that the most conservative Republican nominee for President since President Reagan, George W. Bush, never got above 45% in Delaware:

        2000: Gore 55%, Bush 42%
        2004: Kerry 53%, Bush 45%

        If there really are all of these great Delaware conservatives poised to come out of the woodwork for Mrs. O’Donnell, one would wonder why they sat on the sidelines for a good and decent conserative like George W. Bush.

        I wish the people supporting Christine O’Donnell would at least admit that this whole thing is, for them, like a conservative Woodstock: it just feels SO good; picking up a Senate seat is secondary for them. There is no empirical evidence which suggests that an O’Donnell candidacy would put this Senate seat in the R column. Rather, it will just keep Joe Biden’s seat where it’s been since 1972—- in Democrat control.

        • pilgrim

          So the Ds have won more often by just one election. This meme that Delaware is so liberal they will never ever vote for any R is just historically inaccurate.

          • JSobieski

            citing presidential elections from 70 years ago is absolutely nuts.

            Massachussets used to be a state that sent “radical republicans” to Congress in the post-Civil War era, so should we factor that in as well? Is Brown too liberal for the swing state (which it is if you go back far enough) of Massachussetts?

            Delaware is a state where Obama’s approval ratings are still at 50. Its a state where the majority of people though cap and trade was a good idea before 2008, and it hasn’t even been in contention since I was old enough to vote for President (first voted in 1992).

            Wishful thinking is not a rationale.

            Again, I am all for making conservative arguments and moving voters. However, its not that easy, and there is little reason to think that O’Donnell will be any good at it. She accuses even center-right talk show hosts of being on Castle’s payroll, so what makes anyone think O’Donnell is going to be a persuader? She will be a motivator (for both ends of the continuum) and that has its advantages to, but there is no reason to conclude that O’Donnell will be able to move voters one way or another.

            Given that Ds outnumber Rs in Delaware, I think its a tough tough road for her to win.

          • pilgrim
          • JSobieski

            and if you include the preceeding three before the first PE in your list, it would be 65.

          • jonreagan

            Friend, if you’re going to go back 15 elections in the Presidential cycle, that’s 60 years. You’re going back to the Eisenhower administration!

            Real trend analysis focuses more on recent election cycles. The last time Delaware voted Republican was in 1988, for Bush Sr., against the hapless Michael Dukakis.

            So for the last 20 years (Clinton twice, Gore, Kerry, and Obama), Delaware has been a reliably Democratic state. I think that’s a a more accurate guage of where the state currently leans in statewide races.

          • pilgrim

            If Castle wins on Tuesday I will STFU about Castle.
            If O’Donnell wins on Tuesday will you STFU about Coons winning in November? Sometimes you can bash long enough so that you’re prophecy of doom is self-fulfilling.
            Is this a deal?

          • jonreagan

            Such a deal is a little disingenuous. Mrs. O’Donnell in an interview refused to say whether she would support Castle should he win the nomination, and refused to rule out a third party run. Remarks like that really poison the well when it comes to advancing party unity.

          • http://www.libertytreehugger.com reverelth

            Is “unity” just another word for bending over and grabbing your ankles for Mitch McConnell?

          • Achance

            is she’s not ruling anything out. Nor should she until after the 15th, which is the Democrats’ last day to replace their nominee with one of their brand name candidates. She’s sending a powerful message to the Democrats; if they throw in Knowles, Ulmer, Croft or someone like that, they may have to face her, her money, and her not inconsiderable organizational support, not an unknown like Miller.

            Now others here are saying that they’re not going to support Miller. I’ve talked to several people who are real Party stalwarts who do serious, meaningful work for Republican causes and candidates who simply will not come out and support Joe Miller. They won’t go so far as to vote for a Democrat, but I don’t think there’s anyway to get them to do more than go grudgeingly vote for Miller. It’s what happens when you style yourself the purist and altogether too many people know you and what you’ve done.

          • IJB
          • Achance

            You might recall that Erick had to back away from things he picked up uncritically from the Miller campaign and posted here.

            Drinking from the pissed in well is not something a lot of people will willingly do.

          • IJB
          • Achance

            or any of the several other complete novices in government and politics here who like to hold forth on purity and who’s a RINO. I especially have no resect for the opinions of people who’ve never put their name on a ballot with a R behind their name or held and elected or appointed position as a Republican who arrogate to themselves the right to decide who is and isn’t a Republican. For many of these people, and a whole bunch of Miller’s supports, going to Church now and again and not liking taxes constitutes their whole understanding of either conservative political philosophy or Republicanism. There’s a whole bunch of fools that hang here that think Sarah Palin is a conservative and since she annointed Joe Miller, he, too, is sainted. Palin and Miller are both self-aggrandizing opportunists who know how to parrot some buzz phrases that apparently make “true conservatives’” legs tingle.

            If it turns out to be Miller v. McAdams, I’ll write him a check, put up a sign, and give him a vote. If the Ds throw somebody else in there, I won’t vote for the D and I won’t stay home like a “true conservative” would, but I might find a write-in or third party attractive under certain circumstances.

          • pilgrim

            If O’Donnell wins on Tuesday, and you persist in posting how Coons is going to win in November most likely your privileges to post here at RedState will go away. I’m not a moderator here, but I know that Neil, for one, will not take kindly to anybody posting their predictions of a D winning in November.

          • jonreagan

            It’s actually pretty simple; I’ll support the nominee of the party, period. Easy for me to say, but apparently tough for some candidates. Whatever.

            I don’t need you to explain the posting rules here at RedState to me or anyone else. Frankly, after next Tuesday’s primary in Delaware, I’ll care less about Christine O’Donnell, whether she manages to pull a miracle upset or not.

            I live in AZ-8, and will be focused on getting Jesse Kelly elected to the House. He’s a true conservative, and has been absolutely honest about everything in his background, one which he should be extremely proud of. And the key word being HONEST. (Hint: Jesse doesn’t have a college degree—which I and most people could care less about. He served our country heroically in the war on terror, and is now a successful businessman. But he didn’t wander around for years concocting a college degree and lying about it)

          • pilgrim

            I don’t live in AZ, but I was surprised to see polls showing that Jesse Kelly is in a bigger fight in AZ-8 than Dr. Golas is in AZ-1. I really want all 3, (AZ-1, AZ-5, and AZ-8), to flip from D to R. It is a battle, but we can win.

          • jonreagan

            Bottom line, Tucson ain’t Phoenix. Jesse will do well where I live, NW of the city in Pima County…..but the precincts in the city of Tucson willl be tough. So to your point, the race here in AZ-8 will be the toughest of the three.

            Gabrielle Giffords is a real snake, with tons of money. But Kelly is aggressive and will eviscerate her in the debates, unlike the guy (Tim Bee) we had last time….very pleasant man but not a fighter. So far, Giffords has been running tons of ads with the usual Social Security scare tactics; Jesse is hitting back now with some really good ads, accusing her of voting for Obamacare and cutting $500 billion from Medicare. It’s a war.

            Keep the faith……..

          • eburke

            would that include the DE GOP Party Chairman stating that Christine couldn’t be elected dog catcher?

            Haven’t heard your boy Castle condemning those remarks or distancing himself from any of the personal bilge that the DE GOP is hammering Christine with.

            So…you down with Pil’s offer or are you going to be like the typical moderate/liberal who expects party unity from defeated conservatives, but in the spirit of Crist, Specter, Murkowski, et al, are you going to resort to the do as I say not as I do playbook.

          • jonreagan

            He wasn’t prepared to abide by the rules of the party—not to mention the outcome of the primary—so he left the party to run as an independent. Were O’Donnell to do the same thing, it would be more honest intellectually. But then again, honesty isn’t Christine’s strong suit…..she’s turned lying into a contact sport. Everything from her college diploma (or lack thereof) to her various financial woes.

            There’s nothing conservative about lying and dishonesty, and we could write an entire diary about Christine’s mangling of the truth. Remember, Erick withdrew his endorsement of her for a reason; he didn’t do it just to pass the time. Our heroes as conservatives are people like Ronald Reagan and Jack Kemp, for whom character was king. Liberals perfer the likes of Bill Clinton, John Edwards, and Teddy Kennedy—people who cut corners and lie without a second thought.

            When you use character as a yardstick, Christine O’Donnell is no conservative.

          • eburke

            and you *really* don’t want to start talking about which candidate is more *conservative*, do you?

          • eburke

            didn’t see your reply to pilgrim regarding supporting Christine in the general.

            However, you avoided answering whether the DE GOP Chairman (hell, the entire DE GOP establishment along w/the NRSC) has ‘poisened’ the waters as to attaining party unity after the primary.

          • http://www.erickerickson.org Erick Erickson

            I have said repeatedly that I want Christine O’Donnell to win. However, I do not think she can win the general and other good conservatives can so I have discouraged resource allocation in Delaware.

            I have absolutely not un-endorsed her.

          • jonreagan

            Sorrry for the error, as well as today’s. I read your article, and drew the wrong conclusions.

          • JSobieski

            or anything else.

            Seriously though, the GOP establishment types should absolutely butt out. Its a primary, and they are incapable of appealing in a good way to any Christine supporters.

          • http://www.libertytreehugger.com reverelth

            and a host of others.

            http://ronjohnsonforsenate.com/home/

            The “It’s his turn” mentality got us nothing but Bob Dole and John McCain.

        • http://www.libertytreehugger.com reverelth

          I’d say if your point is that we need to run more “reach across the aisle” Republicans in Delaware, you’re headed in the wrong direction.

          • http://www.libertytreehugger.com reverelth

            How many “moderate” Republicans did Biden clobber over and over and over again? You know, the kind that were convinced they needed to move to the middle to beat him? I don’t know, I’m just asking.

          • finaljeopardy

            She lied about beating him in two counties, too, and there’s only three. Not so hard to remember!

      • The_Rebel

        Arlen Specter in the PA primary six years ago:

        “Sometimes, we have to try to win elections with the electorate we have, now?instead of the one we want to help build shape in the future.”

        Look where that victory got us. It’s taken us six more years to get to the outcome we wanted then.

      • http://www.theprecinctproject.wordpress.com ColdWarrior
  • smagar
    • jonreagan

      The three Democrat fossils of the United States Senate—-Ted Kennedy, Robert Byrd, and Joe Biden—-served a combined total of over 140 years in Congress.

      One of my own aspirations has been that 2010 could possibly be the year when all three of those seats fall to the GOP. Given the unpopularity of Obama in West Virginia (I mean, more so than in the rest of the country) and John Raese’s determination to tie Manchin to the shrinking President, I think this is entirely in the cards. Beyond the tangible benefit of three add’l Republican seats, there would be some powerful symbolic benefit that the tide is turning, and that the Obama era is over.

      If O’Donnell somehow manages to get nominated, we’ll probably have to settle for two out of the three. But I’d prefer the trifecta.

  • http://www.libertytreehugger.com reverelth

    And nobody can say Scott Brown or Chris Christie had to appease the left to get elected.

    • JSobieski

      The candidate does matter. I think either Brown or Christie could win Delaware, but neither is conservative.

      Christie endorsed Castle, so if he is your guide . . .

      • http://www.libertytreehugger.com reverelth

        The current Republican leadership? Can you tell I have authority problems, particularly with the Republican leadership over the past four years?

        Brown was no better destined to take over Ted Kennedy’s seat than O’Donnell is Biden’s. He was NOT the odd’s on favorite to beat Martha what’s her name from the perspective of his primaries. He only surged ahead of her at the very end of the campaign for the general. So the argument that O’Donnell can’t win in the general is specious. If the Delaware GOP can’t say they’ll push her as hard as they would Castle, that’s their problem.

        I don’t need Chris Christie to tell me who to vote for. Or Mitch McConnell, or the state GOP in Delaware. Or Dede Scozafava, or Snowe or Collins. I don’t need to give Barack Obama more choices when it comes to one or two Republican votes to pick off to get more of his garbage past.

        • JSobieski

          Never said anyone was destined for anything. Just saying that Brown and Christie ran smart and disciplined campaigns and that they are accomplished individuals.

          I know its hard for some of Christine’s supporters to accept, but the actual candidate matters. I don’t have the option of voting for the aggregate policy papers of Heritage.org. If I could, I would vote for them each and every primary.

          I am all for running conservative candidates, but the more uphill the battle, the better the quality of candidate needed to win.

          Brown did a much better job of handling interviews from leftists than O’Donnell does from center-right radio hosts. O’Donnell is not some great explainer of free market principles, of conservatism generally.

          She might have conservative principles, but you need more if you are going to move the electorate towards your direction.

          For example, I think someone like Paul Ryan could win this Delaware race. He is very effective an explaining conservative principles in a way that voters like. Unfortunately, Ms. O’Donnell is no Paul Ryan.

          • pilgrim
          • JSobieski

            I have said so repeatedly.

    • jonreagan

      Christie certainly didn’t appease the left, but his wasn’t a hard right campaign, iether. In fact, he steered cleared of social issues, and was accused a couple of times here of being too soft on Second Ammendment issues. Given that he was running in NJ, it was a smart strategy. And let’s face it: aren’t we all glad that he’s gotten a chance to govern? I think many here would agree that Christie, Bob McDonnell, and Mitch Daniels are among the most effective governors in the country.

      I wasn’t surprised when Christie endoresed Mike Castle. But if Christine O”Donnell and her supporters had their way, “less than pure” leaders like Chris Christie would never make it out of the box.

      • http://www.libertytreehugger.com reverelth

        Mike Castle is nowhere near Chris Christie when it comes to ANY conservative issues. If Mike Castle’s only defects were being soft on gun rights and ground zero mosques, that would be different.

        If supporters like Mike Castle’s had their way, Chris Christie would never have made it out of the box. There was nobody with a more credible conservative message in the NJ primary than Christie. Mike Castle is a sellout on a whole host of fiscal issues, and Chris Christie went right for the gut at all the sacred cows of the left in NJ.

        If Mike Castle gets a mulligan just so Mitch McConnell can make all his committee chair appointments, the scene will play itself out over and over again, like when the Sellout Sisters in Maine face conservative turbulence in when their time is up.

        I’ve said it before. I didnt’ sign up for this to trade one pack of establishment untouchabes for another.

        • jonreagan

          People like Andrew Wilkow and others in conservative talk radio are now falling all over themselves ready to draft Christie for President in 2012…..but it wasn’t always thus. Christie’s campaign focused on anti-corruption issues, and he even steered clear of taxes when campaigning. Very few in the conservative media were enthusiastic:

          http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704471504574446900181308412.html

          He’s personally pro-life, but not about to “ram it down anyone’s throats” in his words. However, he’s a strong economic conservative, and has governed as one, taking on selfish, greedy unions in the process. That’s good enough for most pragmatic conservatives.

          Castle voted against Obama’s $862 billion stimulus, an inconvenient truth when it comes to your description of him as a “sellout on a whole host of fiscal issues”. And bottom line, Gov. Christie endorsed Mike Castle; there are a lot of good reasons for that.

          • Scope

            You might consider that Christie may have supported Castle because of “like minded” positions on Cap and Trade.

            Christ Christie is a greenie, and not only supports Cap and Trade, but, has used the “environmental project” funds to close his state budget deficit.

            http://www.politickernj.com/chris-christie-governor/33811/chris-christie-receives-endorsement-new-jerseys-largest-environmental-

            http://beta.wnyc.org/articles/wnyc-news/2010/sep/08/financial-411-northeast-cap-and-trade-system/

            Get that, the largest Environmental organization in NJ, endorsed Christie, because he was much more into “green” issues than even Corzine. How about that!

            I wonder how those same Environmentalists feel about Christies robbing of the environmental project fund to help close the budget gap. Does that mean that the whole thing all along was nothing more than a tax. Haven’t heard anything on the complaining wave from the NJ Environmentalist money move position.

            Dick Armey has mentioned Christie as a potential 2012 Presidential candidate. He also said that the GOP needs to get some “courage.” Christie surely has courage when it comes to the Teacher’s and State Workers Unions, but, is he picking winners and losers in his state, especially when it comes to his pet projects, rather than an across the board fiscal position?

            Christie’s statement on the GZM was more than a little disappointing. His positions on immigration are more than a little disappointing. I’m not a 100% or nothing conservative, but, I would like to see people who are not supportive of the worst of the O’s legislation as something they support. The Christie blush has come off the rose.

          • Scope

            http://www.americanthinker.com/blog/2010/09/the_bad_idea_that_will_not_die.html

          • jonreagan

            There were, imho, three major votes in the House this year that I’d use in appraising an incumbent’s record:

            1) Obama’s $862 billion stimulus (sedative?)
            2) Government takeover of health care
            3) Cap and Trade

            Yes, I bother to look at the whole picture; when I do that, I see that Mike Castle got it right on two out of three. And the one where he didn’t get it right had no chance of passing, and didn’t pass. Delaware ain’t Utah, so I expect that he was throwing a bone to the independents in his state. Yes, I’m OK with that.

            The other night on Hannity, Sean and Michelle Malking were discussing this race. Malkin joined in praising Christine O’Donnell, saying that “remember, nobody’s perfect….”

            I mean, is that what we’ve come to in a race for the United States Senate? “Nobody’s perfect” ???

            You’ve got one candidate in O’Donnell who gets it right on all the conservative talking points, thought she’s never had to cast a vote. And when it comes to character, she’s extremely flawed, and comes up wanting.

            You’ve got another candidate in Mike Castle, who isn’t perfect when it comes to the votes he’s taken, but has a well earned record for integrity and high ethical standards in public life. I’ll go with Castle, because character really does count.

          • http://www.2010blog.net jsanzone

            I.e., anything goes, as long as you check “yes” on all the ‘right’ conservative positions!

            The new standard. What are you, a RINO?

          • jonreagan

            I think most here would agree that the United States Senate isn’t an especially distinguished group right now. But if we let it become a place where itinerants and/or deadbeats go to seek work, things wiill only become worse.

            The unemployment problem in this country is horrible, and I’m sorry for Mrs. O’Donnell’s problems. But seeking a job as a United States Senator doesn’t make sense—for her, or for the people of Delaware.

          • Scope

            Castle supports the Disclose Act. He has also been on the wrong side of many more issues than your chosen 3.

            http://beforeitsnews.com/story/161/396/Oh,_Great,_Now_We_Have_Sand_Castle_Conservatives,_Too.html

            Yes, you are correct. Character matters, and, Castle has proven that he can be bought off.

          • finaljeopardy

            Castle was committed to keeping foreign money and money from companies that received TARP money, out of US campaigns. I agree with that.

            Here is Mike Castle?s statement on the exemptions:

            ?As a long-time supporter of transparency in the election process, Congressman Castle took the lead on the DISCLOSE Act because he believes strongly that voters have a right to know who is paying for campaign advertisements. As it was introduced, the bill required corporations, unions and organizations to comply with the same disclosure and transparency requirements when they participate in campaign advertisements, while bans foreign entities and TARP recipients from attempting to influence election outcomes. Congressman Castle worked to ensure the uniform coverage under the legislation and does not agree with the exemptions being made by Democratic members in Congress.?

            The wave of exemptions being added to this bill are coming from the Democrats they were not written into the bill by Castle.

            O?Donnell?s press release trashing Castle for exemptions that he did not author shows the same desperation and a willingness to distort the truth that O?Donnell displayed in 2006 and 2008 when she was on the campaign trail lying to Delawareans about being a college graduate and frantically trying to hide her financial messes.

    • JSobieski

      Nobody is saying that a conservative can’t win in Delaware. What we are saying is that it would take an above average candidate for a conservative to win in Delaware and that O’Donnell is a below average candidate.

      I have never supported any appeasement of the left in any thing. I would point out that neither Brown nor Christie ran as hard core conservatives, but I agree that neither pandered either.

      I know that having said this, it won’t matter. Not sure why I try. I think on the O’Donnell race, I am done.

      if someone wants to think O’Donnell combines the desirable attributes of Rubio, Paul, Angle, Miller, et al–have at it and God bless you.

  • norfolker

    Poll are done by people who are making a living by catering to special interests. There were polls that said John Kerry would win in the general election compared to Wesley Clark and directed the voters towards John Kerry in the primary.

    Polls are clever tools to mess up voters. Do not believe in polls.

    There is no guarantee that democratic or independent voters are going to vote for a republican nominee when they have via democratic nominee.

    I saw an astrologer who gave my entire history and accuratelytold my father’s name, mother’s name and my wife name. By his word, I will be a billonaire in ten years. May be it is true. But should I leave my day job. Off course not. I will be a fool to believe in it.

    The point is do not decide your primary vote based on the polls.

    • CowboyUp4419

      I’m hoping your tongue is buried so far into your cheek it’s about to burst out the other side because if you’re really trying to compare the 2004 Democrat presidential primary to the 2012 Delaware US Senate primary…….

  • http://www.libertytreehugger.com reverelth

    So what?

    http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0910/42034.html

    Anyone want to disclose any connection to either the Republican leadership, anywhere, or Mike Castle, because this stuff reads like the same talking points I am seeing from the rest of the establishment Republicans. This is like a pinball game where we bounce from Chris Christie’s endorsement, O’Donnell’s unelectability in the general, and a path to repealing Obamacare paved with Republicans who have stated they do not want to repeal Obamacare.

    I have no connection to O’Donnell. I gave her fifty bucks but don’t live in Delaware

    I would appreciate reciprocation, because this stuff sure walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.

  • cordpt

    It’s an embarrassment to have someone like O’Donnel representing the cause of conservatism. She won’t promote conservatives ideas at all, she’ll make conservatism look bad and dull because she simply can’t articulate a good defense of the most basic conservative principles – more than that, she doesn’t even has an history of practising them, of living by some of the most basic conservative principles.

    In politics, the messenger matters and O’Donnell simply isn’t a very good messenger. Or even a mediocre one. She’s downright terrible. O’Donnell is a conservative of the Ney-Barr type.

    Plus, calling Castle a liberal or equating him to Coons is idiotic. It’s not all black and white. Scott Brown is no conservative, but he isn’t Bernie Sanders either. Guys like Reagan and Bill Buckley knew this. It’s a very important lesson to retain.