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If the other candidates are selling, I’m not buying!! My second attempt to persuade you to support/vote for Rick Perry.

As one that attempted to persuade you to support the BEST candidate, rather than trash the other candidates, believe me when I tell you that I still don’t think it’s necessary to go on and on about personal issues from the past or present of other candidates whether real or perceived. It simply isn’t necessary to destroy someone’s reputation based on rumors… and until something is confirmed, speculation really has no place in judging our candidates for THE MOST IMPORTANT QUALITY… which is HOW WILL THIS PERSON MAKE DECISIONS and GOVERN.

When I asked others to tell me where I was wrong in my thinking last go around, the two-three most prevalent themes to emerge concerning why one could not back Rick Perry were as follows:

  1. Electability.
  2. Can’t sell his message to the Conservative Base.
    • 2.a.(fear of not being able to debate Obama).

The most interesting thing to me is that most of these arguments were made with provisioning comments like “Although he has a great record…” and “Although he may be the most conservative”…

What’s with the “Although”?

Do we or Do we not want the most conservative candidate? Do we or Do we not elect the candidate via OUR primary process and not by the Media’s Primary process?

Empty hope is never a good substitute for a STRONG RECORD




If your argument against Rick Perry is that he isn’t “selling” you on being the best candidate to beat Barack Obama… then maybe you should be paying attention to just exactly what the other candidates are selling to you.

You realize that your argument against Rick Perry boils down to the fact that you’re betting that other candidate won’t be trashed as bad as Rick Perry.

What about this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, this, and now this, don’t you understand?

Electability is no better an argument than Idol Worship



NO Republican candidate can survive on fluffy media arguments about ‘electability’ against sitting President (Mr. Hope and Change) Barack Obama. What has rockstars and rhetoric gotten us so far?

The Winning strategy is to go after Obama on his missed promises of hope and change. The greatest leverage in that argument is someone that provided REAL HOPE for his constituents, and can make the argument that change is only necessary to bring us in alignment with our Constitution.

As for me, I’m perfectly happy supporting the candidate that best supports conservative causes, rather than trying to tell you “how electable” they are. I support Rick Perry because he has a very competent economic recovery plan. I support Rick Perry because past actions have shown that he acts in the interest of the people by the people by upholding the rule of law. I support Rick Perry because I see eye to eye with him on social issues. I support Rick Perry because he’s proven that he does understand what’s at stake concerning the very volatile foreign policy and security issues our country faces.

Are we so depraved by the MSM that we’re willing to buy their narrative on “electability”?

Just who is judging this electability… The MSM… or registered Republicans?

SHAME on you fellow conservatives that argue electability matters most… You deserve what you get.

COMMENTS

  • trevorb

    but I just have a hard time seeing how Perry can recover the momentum he once had. I suppose it’s possible, but at this stage, I find it very unlikely.

    • logicalpositivist

      Very telling. I’m going to have to stop calling this site “Perrystate”. The dream is over.

      • cheetah2

        :)

        • westcoastpatriette

          is in full sabotage mode trying to ignore Perry. Take a look at this article about a poll taken here in Cali. It is a joke when you look at the details of the polling. For people who don’t pay attention, articles like this are designed to sway opinion when in reality, it says nothing.

          http://www.pe.com/local-news/politics/ben-goad-headlines/20111130-field-poll-romney-clings-to-slim-california-lead.ece

          • circlegranch

            The Daily Caller is quoting a Romney aid that contributed to above noted e-book that Team Romney laments the fall of Cain because
            “he keeps Perry down”.

        • http://www.changeforrickperry.org louisianapatriette

          Confound it! Well, Justin, just take my word for it that I’m recommending it in spirit.

          • trevorb

            Let’s see if he can make a comeback. I still find it unlikely, but from what I’ve learned about elections in the past several months is that polls don’t mean a lot at this stage.

            To be completely truthful, I would like to support him, but he’s had numerous bad debate performances, along with his absolute freeze and various gaffes, which makes me quite concerned.

        • logicalpositivist

          nt

  • http://slcliberty.blogivists.com randy streu

    he learns the lessons he’s being taught in the Primary.

    Like it or not, we live in a society that knows more about this year’s American Idol than it does about the people running this country. And, I’m sorry, but we HAVE to win. You can’t pretend electability is a non-issue, because that’s just false. It IS an issue.

    If Perry is to succeed past the Primary, and if he is to win in the general, he’d better start getting serious about his presentation.

    • lesstressrx

      He gets the chance to make a presentation. Right now he is being totally ignored. It is as if he is no longer in the race. I continue to ask where are the conservatives that really want constitutional change in Washington that insists on a limited smaller government.

      • Pirohy

        so they went to other candidates.

    • conservativemusician

      His presentation is fine in my view as he does great on the stump and one-on-one interviews. The problem is with the perception by many that he is a bumbling fool and a gaffe machine and the media is pouncing on every single syllable that comes out of his mouth to prove their point.

      If people are really so shallow as to base a candidate’s worth solely on their debating skills and how they would do against Obama in a debate rather than what they actually believe and how they would govern, then Perry is not your guy and Gingrich or Romney would be better choices (although they are both both seriously flawed candidates). However, if you are looking for someone who is truly conservative with an excellent track record to back it up, then Perry is the guy.

      If Perry gets that second look as Erick postulated on the latest horserace post today, then he’d better be ready and he’d better be aggressive and he’d better be ready to contrast his consistent conservative record against the flip flopping Gingrich and Romney.

  • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

    He’s stuck in single digits. I wish it weren’t so, but I don’t see a path to recovery.

    • audax

      nt

      • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

        He’s been very successful in Texas, there’s no doubt. He’s the most qualified conservative candidate by far that is currently running, there’s no question. His experience and success over the past 4 years are second to none.

        He’s also polling in single digits in every early primary state. I see no path to victory for him. Why? In my opinion, he has yet to talk about jobs. That was his winning message, but he never really used it. I wish I could figure out why.

        Perhaps it’s humility. Humility has it’s place, but not to this degree in an election. Everybody starts on a soapbox. Some never move past it, but the successful ones move to a larger and larger one. It seems Perry wasn’t able to move past the one at the State level. We needed a strong, experienced leader to tell us why he was the right one to move The United States forward for the next 4 years. He never did that.

        Damn.

        • cheetah2

          In this interview from last night on Greta Van Susteren’s show, Perry is the best I’ve seen him discussing mainly foreign policy. The man truly is improving every day. I say he is supremely deserving of a second look.

          http://gretawire.foxnewsinsider.com/video/gov-rick-perry-the-entire-uncut-on-the-record-interview/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+foxnewsinsider%2Fgretawire+%28Gretawire%29

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            They completely ignore the facts and then go on to tell us how great he is.

            Did you even read my comment, or just see a couple of words and then take the opportunity to tell us why we should take another look at Perry? Taking a look isn’t the problem here.

          • cheetah2

            “It seems Perry wasn?t able to move past the one at the State level.”

            I gave you an example in the video of Perry talking foreign policy just last night. He is knowledgeable and he looks and sounds very strong and presidential discussing what his policies and approaches would be. Can’t get much farther away from states issues than that.

            You are incorrect in saying he “has yet to talk about jobs.” Yesterday in a town hall meeting in NH, he talked at length about what he will do as president to bring manufacturing jobs back into the country, and this is typical for him. I watch most of his interviews and he habitually talks about his plans to get the federal government out of the way of the job creators. He brings it into just about every conversation, as well he should.

            I am not “ignoring facts” by continuing to support the candidate who you yourself acknowledge to be “the most qualified and conservative candidate by far that is currently running.” I won’t allow my principle of supporting the person who meets this criteria best to be ruled by polling data.

            I am proud to be part of that 10% or so of Americans who know and support that “most qualified” candidate, Rick Perry. I am not wrong in having hope that his poll numbers will begin to improve as he gets the second look which I have here given evidence that he deserves.

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            He talked about foreign policy. Big deal. He’s polling in single digits. That’s his problem. If that doesn’t change, it won’t matter what he says. Whatever he’s doing, it’s not working. You people keep ignoring that fact and just keep telling us how great he is.

            So what. He’s polling in single digits. Whatever he’s doing, it’s not working. Wait, did I already say that?

          • cheetah2

            should just quit and no one should support them? Would that make you happy?

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            Definitely for Huntsman & Bachmann. Paul never will. As for Perry, how about trying something different? What he’s doing ain’t working.

        • Xasteius

          1) I’ve been charge before, and I governed a state with 1200 border with another country.

          2) Energy development = jobs

          3) I’ll get Washington off your back = jobs / road to recovery

          Maybe I’ve missed something….?

          I will agree that he’s made a lot of verbal pauses, gaffes, and outright blunders that make me cringe, and I’m on pins and needles in the debate (in a bad way, not the ‘my leg tingling because I’m a dreamy-eyed star-crossed fanatic’). Fill in my gaps?

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            Whatever he’s doing, it’s not working. Maybe it’s time to try something different?

          • Common_Cents

            when will they ever learn? ;)

            Perry’s got the record, everyone agrees, but everyone keeps bringing up his record in his defense. He needs to go to toastmasters or something to improve his debating skills, and fast. That is the only thing holding him back, but its a big one.

          • Xasteius

            Perry is behind, but he’s also been in this situation before when running for governor in TX. I will concede that TX does not equal the national stage, but aren’t there a lot of undecideds in this primary that the polling doesn’t show?

            Unlike the other candidates below the radar, Perry has lots of money to blow and an actual record to run on. I’ll stick with Perry in the primary, and vote for the GOP in the general.

          • acat

            and that’s unusual.

            Money doesn’t know where to go yet, so isn’t going anywhere. I think it’s safe to say that nobody has both broad and strong support.

            Mew

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            But I don’t see any reason he will. I don’t see anything new coming out. I don’t see him changing his staff or strategy. I don’t see how telling voters to take a second look will suddenly vault him into contention.

        • audax

          I was on the ’76 and ’80 Reagan campaigns. In Michigan. In ’76. Jerry Fords home state. We were supposed to get 10% of the vote. All the “polls” said so. We got 35%. The ONLY poll that counts is the one held on election night.

          • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

            Finances, Ground-game, GOTV matter far more than poll numbers.

            Polling is little else than samples compared to educated guesswork.

          • http://www.nighttwister.com NightTwister

            But I don’t see anything that makes me believe you are.

      • Lesstressrx

        Where have you been. He has talked about the most aggressive energy plan that would put millions to work immediately upon his presidency, he has a better plan than any other candidate and has proven it?s success in Texas. He has talked about closing the borders more aggressively & faster than any other. I repeat, the media mainstream or Fox won?t give him a microphone. If he is being shunned by so many politicians & all of the media, we must ask ourselves why. Could it be they are afraid of him? Less government scares them all.

  • carolina

    NBC just showed a clip – with Perry saying the voting age was 21, plus he gave the wrong date for the election.
    groan

    • http://slcliberty.blogivists.com randy streu

      but not life-changing. I would suggest keeping a tab of all Obama’s gaffs, so you can counter it when people talk about Perry.

      “Voting age of 21? 57 states. So there.”

      However, he’s been in the game long enough to know better. He’s been around enough to know that he’s not going to get leeway Obama gets. It’s not enough to be AS smart. He’s gotta be BETTER.

      It sucks, but that’s the way it is.

    • cheetah2

      He was asked about it on Fox and gracefully apologized. He is human and that is a likable thing about him.

      I just saw part of a breakfast event he did this morning in New Hampshire. He was taking questions from the audience, and he looked and sounded wonderful.

      No way am I giving up on him, because he is exactly what this country needs.

      • auntvick

        he let slip what was on his mind. It’s on mine too. The voting age should be 21. I like him more now! I think he’d be the best president we’ve had in several decades. Raising the voting age back to 21 would be the best thing to ever happen in this country since the Constitution.

        • cheetah2

          I agree that Perry said the voting age is 21 because it should be 21.

          Maybe Obama would of lost if the voting age had been 21 in 2008…

          • therightsknight

            the voting age should stay at 18. If you’re old enough to go to war, you’re old enough to elect the people who would send you to war. I also used an example of how when your opponent is beating you in chess with a Rook you don’t get to choose to remove that piece off the board. You have to find a way to beat him with his Rook. It’s the same way with 18 year old voters. You have to find a way to make Conservatism cool again and make young people vote for it. You shouldn’t just remove the right to vote for 18 year olds because they vote a certain way. Also Obama would still have been president, even if the age to vote had been 21. 18 year old voters didn’t show up as usual.

  • Common_Cents

    Why attack other supporters for seeing things differently? It’s getting to near Paulite levels.

    When you run a company and try to establish a national brand and you flub your national campaign, Do you blame the customers for not buying your product? Calling them dumb or shaming them??? Not too productive. You go back, retool and improve your message delivery and try again to overcome objections to achieve results.

    Frustration is setting in….Perry came in on top and flubbed big time, It was ALL on him, not fellow conservatives. Shame on Perry.

    Everyone loves Perry, but not confident he can win.

    To say other “electable” candidates are all fluff?

    Electability in my mind has to include substance, plans, track record AND the ability to sell your goods to the masses to win. You can’t win on either one solely. There has be all the components that people value to different degrees(this is where the differences occur).

    Gingrich has incredible accomplishments arguably 2nd to Reagan in the past 30 years that nobody talks about. If you take the time to look at Gingrich’s plans, they are comprehensive, specific, and well thought out.

    Gingrich offers a side by side comparison w/ Perry’s plan as well.

    http://www.newt.org/news/lets-bump-plans-comparison-gingrich-and-perrys-flat-tax-plans

    I think you should walk back your slam on fellow conservatives for not agreeing with you. That sounds desperate, immature, petty, and not respectful.

    Let’s get back to booting obama out back to community organizing in chicago.

    • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

      Where did I suggest that other candidates are FLUFF?

      I made the point that the media’s electability argument is fluff.

      Did you want to walk back you’re indignant outrage?

    • cheetah2

      “When you run a company and try to establish a national brand and you flub your national campaign, Do you blame the customers for not buying your product? Calling them dumb or shaming them??? Not too productive. You go back, retool and improve your message delivery and try again to overcome objections to achieve results.”

      Rick Perry is doing exactly that. He has not made excuses for his mistakes. His campaign is a work in progress. He is improving every day as he said he would.

      He has a great product to sell, including: himself- a likable, honorable, honest, and intelligent human being with 10 years of executive experience managing the 14th largest economy in the world (a record unmatched by anyone else running including the POTUS), a record of keeping the government out of the way of the job creators in his home state, which beat every other state and the whole country in job creation during the horrible economic climate of the last few years, a whole slew of exciting and innovative plans to get this country back where it should be (go to his web site and read them), and a competent campaign organization that raised more money than anyone else in the last quarter and has deployed a series of polished, high quality advertisements.

      The Perry Team has been in the campaign a very short time- shorter than anyone else running. It has been fascinating to watch their plans develop and the creative ways they have dealt with the bumpy road they’ve traveling on. It is a class act the likes of which we have never seen before. I am praying for their success, because I believe that Rick Perry as president is the best hope our country has.

      • Lesstressrx

        touch

  • donald_24

    The main thing that could hurt Perry in the general election is that the White House will paint him as the 2nd coming of Bush since he was his Lt. Governor. Perry will have to differenciate himself from Bush and that is somethngn he has not done. The one time a journalist aked him how he was different than Bush, Perry’s answer was that Bush went to Yale and he went to A&M. That’s not good enough.

    • Common_Cents

      It would be very tough to overcome. Right or wrong, you know the lame stream media and their left cohorts will spew this 24/7.

      • texashistorian

        The counter to that, which will have to be made clear, is that Lt. Governor is a separate race, not a ticket. Perry ran for the job not because Bush selected him, but because he wanted it. There is plenty of anecdotal evidence here that the Bushies were never thrilled with Perry and felt he was a drag on their campaign for the governor’s mansion. I don’t think it’s a hard sell, really, to distance himself from Bush. It just hasn’t needed to be part of his campaign in the GOP primary where most of us feel that Bush, whatever his faults and flaws, isn’t the antichrist.

  • Benta_Nordstrom

    Many people are still grateful to President Bush. He had a good pro-life record!
    He staunchly supported many conservative issues! He also in 2008 warned about the finacial collapse of Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac. He does not get the credit he deserves. Our country would greatly benefit from a ” second George Bush”! The media hated Bush and they are also anxious to keep Rick Perry out of the whitehouse. Since the media hates him that must make Perry the best candidate to vote for!

    • Lesstressrx

      You are so right. Follow the media and if they don’t like it, I will likely love it. They really do not want Perry and he is the best candidate.

  • changeforrickperry

    I think it’s on its way. Call me a Perrybot if you please, but let me try to explain why I think it’s coming.

    The other night I read an article from the American Family Association’s blog and posted the link elsewhere. Here it is again:

    http://www.afa.net/Blogs/BlogPost.aspx?id=2147514172

    This article explains how Newt will not gain the evangelical vote. I personally give him until Christmas. Why? Well, think about it. If Cain is being slammed into the ground for his affairs, then you think the media will leave Newt&Callista alone? Uh, no. The long knives are being sharpened even as we speak. Yes, I know, some people will say, “But that’s old news…” Well, they’ll dig up something new and juicy about their affair going on the same time as Clinton&Monica. I’m not underestimating them; if they can pull something as ridiculous as “N**** Rock” for Perry, then they’ll definitely use something that’s got a LOT more credibility. I’m sorry, but we need to admit that he’s got a lot of baggage, and it’s not just personal.

    So when Newt comes crashing back down to earth, where will people go next? There’s no one else but Perry. Santorum and Bachmann are all but done; Cain has imploded; no one trusts Huntsman all that much; Ron Paul…well, that goes without saying.

    This evening I read this article:

    http://iowacaucus.com/2011/11/29/in-call-with-iowans-sheriff-joe-endorses-perry-for-border-security-opposition-to-illegal-immigration/

    Now, earlier in the day I’d seen that Sheriff Joe and Perry had expected 12,000 people to listen in on their Iowa conference call. Turned out there were 15,000 instead, of “likely Iowa caucusgoers, both Republicans and independents.”

    Now, correct me if I’m wrong, but 15,000 is a pretty big number. If immigration is the only problem people have with Perry (and I’ve read enough articles–people saying, “Well, I’m just worried about immigration with Perry, etc.”) then he’s definitely working on solving that problem. And if he can do it in Iowa and New Hampshire, then he can do it in South Carolina.

    Rush Limbaugh said a few weeks ago that the candidate who fights and goes after Obama will get the nomination. Rick Perry is fighting and he’s going after Obama consistently. The polls may NEVER show he’s gaining momentum–see John McCain, George W. Bush vs. Al Gore, Ronald Reagan vs. Jimmy Carter–which is why I respectfully ask my fellow RS members to hold their fire and wait until voting starts.

    See y’all tomorrow!

  • wacowboy

    in the snippets I heard of his show.

    The repeating theme was that we’re getting caught up in the weeds on all of the minor issues of the candidates. the “we need a good debater” mindset, the who’s sleeping with who

    We need a candidate who will advance the conservative agenda, fight for conservative values, won’t back down from liberal opposition, who actually will downsize government and restore constitutional limits on federal power

    There’s only one candidate who fits that bill. Rick Perry.
    The man is confident enough and humble enough that he’s not going to care about media opposition. He’s going to do what’s right for the country. He didn’t run for president to advance a career in politics. he ran because he felt that he could be useful in turning this nation around. Is there another candidate who can claim that? Maybe, maybe not.

    So what if he’s another texan. Last time I checked, Texas was doing much better than the rest of the country at a lot of things — America would benefit if it was more like Texas.
    So what if the media will paint him as Bush 2.0 (or 3.0) Last time I checked, W got elected — twice, and the second time against a full on media onslaught.

    yes, the Rickster has his warts. But he can sell conservatism if we conservatives would take the time to listen to him and look at his record

    • JSobieski

      Accomplishing things isn’t always just a matter of not backing down, it is often a matter of negotiating well, finding angles others didn’t etc. Communications skills, team building, and clever negotiating all matter.

      A good example of what I am talking about is Reagan’s tax compromise of 1987. It wasn’t a brute force—titanium spine kind of thing. Rather it was being crafty, effective at communicating, and approaching problems with general principles while sustaining tactical flexibility.

      I support Perry, but we have no evidence how he would effectively deal with opposition in Congress. There is no Pelosi equivalent in the Texas legislature.

      A willingness to not easily bend over is important, but “toughness” is not sufficient. If it was, I would vote for Bachmann.

      Bachmann is an idealogues dream. She won’t vote for something unless it satisfies her requirements. Of course, her voice and her vote are often irrelevant.

      Sometimes we need to make somewhat tactical moves that may be somewhat ideologically ambiguous. For example, what Reagan did for tax rates in 1987 and what Toomey proposed in the Super-Committee in 2011.

      • Menlo

        She is actually very much the equivalent of Pelosi.

        • texashistorian

          She is a Pelosi in ideology and attitude, so that far the comparison holds, but she has nothing like Pelosi’s clout in the Texas House where Dems have 1/3 of the body. Perry hasn’t really had to fight with here because very little she wants has a hope in hades of getting any further than an interview in the liberal Austin media.

      • wacowboy

        among your good points above also.

        the key aspect of leadership is bringing people together.

        like you, I don’t think Michelle has that gift. She’s a great mouthpiece against bad legislation and for conservative causes, but she doesn’t have the gift of leadership (IMO).

        • Lesstressrx

          I would like to see Michelle Speaker of the House.

    • Menlo

      Texas is not doing much better than the rest of the country at many things, and if it is doing any better on anything, it certainly has nothing to do with the governor or any government official.

      • wacowboy

        and if anything doesn’t suck, it has nothing to do with Perry?

        well then Reagan must not get any credit for what happened in this country in the 80′s.

        And while we’re at it, the current mess isn’t BO’s fault by the same logic.

        • Menlo

          If you consider the nation as a whole to “suck,” then I would answer very much in the affirmative.

          The logic is not quite the same because Obama is not a governor and the federal government does not operate similarly to the state government. Also, the problems and issues faced by each are different. You are comparing apples and oranges.

          The current “mess” involves countless different messes with just as many different causes. You cannot pin credit or blame on any one person, group, event, or ideology. Unless one believes in conspiracy theories, that is how it has always been.

          Now if you want to narrow things down a bit, it may (or may not) be a bit easier to look at whether and where credit or blame is due.

          • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)
          • Menlo

            It fails to account for the explosive population growth. The rate of UNemployment is about average.

            Besides, a governor has hardly anything to do with levels of employment; and that is logic I would apply at the federal level too.

          • texashistorian

            The unemployment rate is also as high as it is because of the explosive growth. People are moving into Texas faster than jobs are being created. We’ll catch up, eventually.

            Where the government comes in, and I concede the Texas Governorship is among the weakest in the nation, is creating an environment that is pro-growth. Government getting out the way of an economy is a significant contribution, and even in Texas it takes a governor willing to back and sign legislation that creates such an environment. To that extent, Perry should get credit.

          • Menlo

            That does nothing to mitigate the poor employment numbers.

            As for creating a “pro-growth” environment, that is little more than a campaign slogan. First you talk about government getting out of the way, and then you talk about legislation. You can’t have it both ways. Regardless, unless you create state jobs, there is no legislation that could do such a thing.

          • texashistorian

            Government getting out of the way, given the New Dealers that ran this state from the 30s on, often has meant legislation that removes barriers to job creation. So yes, you can have it both ways when legislation reverses business unfriendly practices. It takes legislation to reduce tax rates, for instance, or environmental regulations or bureaucratic red tape.

            As for the explosive population growth, I never claimed it mitigated unemployment numbers. Rather it is responsible in part for the unemployment rate. It works like so: Texas has jobs, people move here to work. More move in than there are jobs, Some are unemployed that go on Texas’ unemployment rolls that would not have been had they stayed in Michigan or Illinois or wherever.

          • Menlo

            Government cannot get out of the way if it must pass legislation. Regardless though, once again, legislation is not so much business friendly or unfriendly to the extent of significantly affecting employment. The New Deal is federal and has been around a very long time. That’s got nothing to do with it. Regulations and red tape, to the extent they are not justified (and much is), are not hindrances to employment any more than a lack of them, and tax rates even at the federal level have nothing to do with employment or many major business decisions. Texas is not low on taxes either.

            You contradict yourself on employment again though. If people came here for jobs, they would have them! LOL! I suppose you could argue the unemployment is all among those who have lived here longer, but that would make the situation worse! People move here because there is cheap land and lots of it and because of immigration, among countless other reasons.

          • texashistorian

            It just requires you pay attention to what is written, and not be deliberately obtuse.

            a) People who come to Texas in search of work generally find it. But not all do, and not all that do find work,find it right away. Hence, unemployment rates in Texas are higher than the actual job situation reflects. Those that don’t find work find themselves now living in a new state without a job and end up counting against Texas’ unemployment statistics

            b) Sometimes legislation streamlines departments, sometimes it repeals laws. In those cases government gets out of the way. As for red tape and regulations, when companies have to employ full-time lawyers just to deal with compliance issues put forth by state and federal agencies, where do the companies make the money back? Higher prices which often means smaller customer bases, or labor costs, either way you end up with less net jobs.

            c) Texas was run by New Dealers from the 1930s on. That is a mindset about the role of government. I nowhere said it was the literal New Deal.

            d) Texas is cheap on taxes if you are coming from Oregon, New Jersey, Maine, New York, etc. etc. It’s all a matter or perspective.

            e) tell me truthfully, are you a Lloyd Doggett fan?

          • Menlo

            A person would have to be an idiot to move to another state without securing a job there beforehand. I’d need evidence that is a factor.

            Government must get in the way to get out of it. Still, you need to keep some regulations as many are justified. You cannot adopt a purely quantitative approach. Those regulations may cost companies. I don’t think the impact of both unnecessary and costly burdens on employment is very significant. Once again, I’d need good evidence that is a factor.

            Texas has high property and sales taxes. The impact of any taxes on major business decisions, particularly on employment, is negligible if not zero.

            I don’t know who Lloyd Doggett is.

          • texashistorian

            That you lived in Texas, the way you are talking about it.

            We can agree to disagree on this one, and that is okay as far as the relationship between taxes and jobs, but I will add this: there is a reason why companies are relocating to Texas consistently from high tax-high regulation states, and that is profits. And when companies make good profits, they expand, and when they expand they hire.

            As for high property taxes, it all depends on where you live. I own two properties- one in rural east Texas, and one in central Texas, both of which have low property tax rates. The sales tax is about normal for states that have one, but I’ll take that over a state income tax, which in a lot of places is a good deal higher than the state sales tax. I lived in Oregon for a time, paid close to 11% in income taxes. Not to mention I have some control over the sales tax by what I choose to purchase.

          • Menlo

            I live here, and I don’t like the growth that has taken place the past five to six years and have seen it cause some problems. More to the point though, I fail to see any connection in terms of companies moving here for tax reasons. I certainly have yet to see any evidence of that. I do not buy that it makes any contribution to employment or population shifts.

  • greyeagle

    I am from TX and he has a strong record along with being a staunch conservative. I look at a candidates record and determine if they can actually govern. He means what he says and says what he means. He has a lot of different ideas, but of course some would not be implemented because Congress would not enact them. He would be a strong leader, and would not be bowing to foreign leaders. He would support our military and follow the constitution. He and his wife would not be taking expensive vacations all around the world. He would treat everyone equally and with respect. He would also work with Congress to try and get this country out of debt. He will nominate conservative judges, and most of all, he will take immediate steps to get people working again. He is by far the best candidate over Romney and Newt. Perry has years of executive experience running a state the size of many countries in the world. Texas is an excellent place to live and work thanks to Rick Perry.

  • 1bunny

    is available at right scoop, I found it when reading an article referencing this RS article on damn dirty rino’s site.

    http://www.therightscoop.com/2012-poll-if-cain-drops-out-who-gets-your-vote/

    • constitutional

      is hilarious. So is Newt’s.

    • nathanalbright

      …Romney can’t crack the 25% level here, and Perry is at 18%. I think that’s a fair approximation of support :B.

      • avagreen

        Newt Gingrich 39.35% (314 votes)

        Mitt Romney 23.81% (190 votes)

        Rick Perry 18.55% (148 votes)

        Michele Bachmann 10.28% (82 votes)

        Rick Santorum 6.39% (51 votes)

        Jon Huntsman 1.63% (13 votes)

        Total Votes: 798

        • audax

          nt.

        • gekster

          If Herman Cain drops out, who would get your vote?

          Newt Gingrich 37.07% (417 votes)
          Rick Perry 23.11% (260 votes)
          Mitt Romney 21.6% (243 votes)
          Michele Bachmann 10.67% (120 votes)
          Rick Santorum 6.13% (69 votes)
          Jon Huntsman 1.42% (16 votes)

          Total Votes: 1,125

          (see my post below to go and vote.

          • tyman

            I truly think the polls have been skewed away from Rick Perry on purpose.

            When I heard that 15k people participated in Perry’s conference call with Arpaio in Iowa yesterday, I don’t think people would do that unless they were seriously considering Rick Perry. I know I don’t have time to waste.

            I hope Arpaio’s endorsement helps to lay the “Perry is soft on immigration” mess to rest.

            I hope that folks realize that Newt is a professor and that the old saying is true: those who can, do it; those who can’t, teach.

            If that comes across as sharp, just consider the problem that this country is in.

          • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

            that give me a lot of hope for Perry… that the polls don’t reflect…

            I don’t care to go into them in detail… but

            Perry has a groundswell going on with evangelicals in Iowa, and in 2008, Huckabee surprised everyone with that same bloc turning out in record numbers.

            Perry is often the 2nd choice for many who have seen rise and fall with the other anti-romney alternatives…

            I’m getting the sense there is a disproportionate amount of conservative grassroots efforts happening among women that is greatly in favor of Rick Perry.

            All anecdotal at this point… but the same argument could be made in interpreting the nationwide poll results.

          • texashistorian

            As a history professor myself, I can honestly say, there is not much else to do BUT teach (and the research and publishing that go with it). That truism doesn’t really apply for fellas like Newt and I, but then again, I *would* feel that way, yeah? ;)

    • gekster

      poll if cain drops out

      You can only vote once in this, so it can’t be loaded.

      • kestrel

        Perry’s gaining. Newt and Romney still declining.

        Newt Gingrich 35.8% (430 votes)
        Rick Perry 25.73% (309 votes)
        Mitt Romney 20.48% (246 votes)
        Michele Bachmann 10.32% (124 votes)
        Rick Santorum 6.16% (74 votes)
        Jon Huntsman 1.5% (18 votes)

        Total Votes: 1,201

        I voted for Perry, based on his record.
        Did you get a deer this year, gek?

        • gekster

          I gave my place to my 17 year old grandson and his dad and paid thier way for supplies and such.
          He got an 8 point first time out, which is just as well, as I told him my price for sending him was 4 of the points. (half the deer)

          If you mean by ‘gekster effect’ as being hang in there and don’t give up, thanks.
          I’m not behind anyone right now, but I do lean toward the most conservative as I see it, and I don’t take much to polls.
          I know some here live and die by them, so I seen this as fodder for them.

          I have noticed since last night when I first posted this, that Perry has been on a steady rise. And since you can vote only once, and RP isn’t on it, it can’t be skewed to favor one over the other.
          Just looked and got this.

          Newt Gingrich 35.64% (432 votes)
          Rick Perry 25.99% (315 votes)
          Mitt Romney 20.38% (247 votes)
          Michele Bachmann 10.31% (125 votes)
          Rick Santorum 6.19% (75 votes)
          Jon Huntsman 1.49% (18 votes)

          Total Votes: 1,212

  • daveoconnor

    without turning out the base.
    So you wrote in your first attempt to convince readers to support Gov Perry.
    Isn’t that “electability” in so many words?
    And if it is or isn’t the present fact remains that current polls show Perry is not firing up the base since those are the folks being polled.
    Some Perry supporters pooh-pooh the polls, but that means outfits like Gallop are missing a (Perry) trend or deliberately presenting false data. In the case of Gallop at least that arguement/assertion won’t wash.
    Also to say conservatives should be ashamed to weigh something like “electability” is silly since conservative candidates who don’t win office won’t govern. Perry supporters rightly ask us to take note that Perry has never been defeated. That’s an “electability” arguement.

    • nathanalbright

      ….after all, the electability arguments that I don’t consider as valid (and that I assume would be true for the author of this diary as well) are electability arguments based on hypothetical future results of the November 2012 election, that say that Romney or Newt are the only ones who can beat Obama. That is a ridiculous and totally specious argument, unless someone has a genuine spirit of prophecy (and I’m not buying that).

      Looking at Perry’s record is something that most of us endorse, as it is a historical rather than a speculative venture. We know how someone has behaved in the past. We don’t have much of a clue what will happen in the future, except that we can be pretty sure there will probably be other bimbo eruptions if Cain stays in the race, and more flipping and flopping from Romney. Other than that, though, nothing is a given yet.

    • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

      1. I don’t appreciate being taken out of context. Turning out the base comments were in conjunction to winning he general. Of course you must win the nomination to compete in the general. However that’s not an ‘electability’ argument. That’s messaging and GOTV. ‘Electability’ arguments are based on polling numbers which are not always an accurate gauge of what’s happening at the grassroots level. Any poll watcher can tell you that. Trends are helpful for identifying momentum, but nobody should take for granted the polls are where the electorate is at the individual vote count, or the electoral vote count.
      2. I didn’t say conservatives should be ashamed for weighing in ‘electability’, I said it shouldn’t be a singular reason to exclude an excellent candidate, and in my opinion the most conservative candidate. I am arguing the point that if you’re buying the narrative that Perry is ‘unelectable’ either by the MSM or other campaigns then you essentially should be ashamed of yourself for not having a better grasp of how primaries and elections work, and if it drives conservatives away from supporting the candidate that best represents them, then they deserve what they get if they’re not properly represented.
      3. Attributing to me arguments made by others is not only a failure on your part to properly frame your opinion on the matter, it also leads me to believe that you’re looking for an argument. Just like you were on the original post.

      Care to try again?

      • daveoconnor

        n/t

  • Wayne

    we continue to make the same mistakes of the past. Select a candidate that has a proven track record, base the election on issues of import (not superficial fluff). Do this and we stand a chance of making a difference not only in having a conservative President, but in having a conservative President that will do something to reverse the course we are on. Any conservative is better than OB, and it in the hustle to find the right candidate, we have forgotten that OB will self destruct, in fact he’s doing so at this writing.

    So, those here that preach leadership as the cornerstone of a Republican candidate, will be eating their words four years from now if the wrong “leader” is put in the White House. This is our moment, let’s seize it for all it’s worth!

    I’m for a Perry/Newt ticker, not the other way around and Newt only to help Perry navigate through the complexities of congressional politicking. But in the end, I’m for Perry and any Constitutional conservative.

  • redmymind

    1. If Governor Perry is THAT much of a hard luck case, then those itching to jump ship don’t need to waste a second thought on him or try to “rationalize” their exit. I’m fankly not interested in their lengthy lamentations. Why invest so much energy on a person of such “little consequence” in this race?

    2. I will not be “manipulated” into selecting from a pool of candidates the media evidently approve of, whilst dishing out the harshest, demeaning treatment of Governor Perry.

    3. The media have not spared a single opportunity to negatively slant every news developing out of the Perry camp, including downplaying and minimizing the recent endorsement of Sheriff Arpaio, whilst making quite the “stretch” for the endorsements going the direction of Romney and Gingrich. If there is a case to be made for the “slow, frustrating come-back of Governor Perry,” the hands of the media and those who uncritically buy into their mantra would not be clean.

  • redmymind

    1. If Governor Perry is THAT much of a hard luck case, then those itching to jump ship don’t need to waste a second thought on him or try to “rationalize” their exit. I’m fankly not interested in their lengthy lamentations. Why invest so much energy on a person of such “little consequence” in this race?

    2. I will not be “manipulated” into selecting from a pool of candidates the media evidently approve of, whilst dishing out the harshest, demeaning treatment of Governor Perry.

    3. The media have not spared a single opportunity to negatively slant every news developing out of the Perry camp, including downplaying and minimizing the recent endorsement of Sheriff Arpaio, whilst making quite the “stretch” for the endorsements going the direction of Romney and Gingrich. If there is a case to be made for the “slow, frustrating come-back of Governor Perry,” the hands of the media and those who uncritically buy into their mantra would not be clean.

  • sunshinek67

    The reason I don’t include Gingrich, whose poll numbers appear to be leading at the moment is because of the emotional factor. This factor has travelled through a diverse group of GOP nominees based on current events of the day, or whatever the msm is reporting.

    Emotional vibes, equivalent to that felt in an American Idol audience, generally dissipate when enough negative press ensues to pop the bubble. Newt’s time is coming. Additionally, I have yet to find a blogger or poster anywhere in the blogosphere that says I’m supporting Newt Gingrich come hell or high water~

    • acat

      unless by “hard” you mean “stoned” …

      The Ron Paul followers will mostly go elsewhere in the general, some to the Dem, most to the GOP, some will just forget the election altogether.

      Mew

      • heraklios

        but I agree that once he’s gone they will be unreliable voters in November and will be tough for the GOP to herd

        • heraklios

          .

          • sunshinek67

            the foreign policy debate when he said he wanted to cancel out the drug war. Some Paulbot tweeted me in reply that I was being insensitive to the cancer patients. Whatever~

      • sunshinek67

        Is it just me, or does Dr. Paul remind you of an overgrown elf? Such a lovely little man on stage until he starts talking and making those gargoyle faces and creepy 5 finger gestures. No wonder… “oops”

        • Common_Cents

          .

        • heraklios

          to go third-party and against a RINO like Romney would likely get 8-10% of the vote

          • acat

            already ran third party once. He got 5% as a Libertarian.

            He got ZERO electoral college votes.

            Gary Johnson has no better chance of changing things.

            Mew

  • stacyarena

    I suppose his less than stellar 1st couple of outings were the catalyst that plummeted his polling numbers… Shallow, impatient Primary Voters… I remember Reagan stumbled quite a few times & was not know as a great debater either… BUT, that did not impede his abilities to win the election & turn in a Presidential Performance second to none. Perry has not had to debate very often & was on somewhat of a learning curve. If you’ve watched the last few debates, he has done very well. And his speeches & one-on-one interviews are rock solid…

    Not to mention Governor Perry is/was still Governor & Texas was ON Fire, literally, for the 1st one, possibly the 2nd?… I’m sure his whole head could NOT have been in the game…

    If I could be so bold, I would like to suggest you all take a closer look at Perry’s record & plans for America. The General, with Perry as the nominee, will be a battle of records. America under 4 years of Liberal Governance & Texas under 10 years of Conservative Republican Leadership. A serious No-Brainer for most Americans… AND, Perry is as baggageless as they come… Perry = Electability, in my view…

  • Rhampton

    …It was the imaginations of base for whom Gov. Perry was – seemingly – the figure they wished him to be. Now that primary voters have become more familiar with the man, there has been a reckoning of hope with reality.

    • Rhampton

      I meant to post this as a reply to stacyarena

    • greyeagle

      I am from TX and know very well what Perry stands for and his record. He has been elected governor 3 times. If he was doing poorly, he would not have been re-elected. His a staunch conservative, but he has been running a large state that is larger than most countries of the world. He has had to deal with hurricanes, wide spread grass fires numerous years, influx of illegals, fighting drug cartels, foiling some terrorist attacks, fighting with Obama over assets for stopping illegals, and the EPA trying to destroy TX energy industry. Perry has by far more executive experience and has the best jobs/energy/tax plan of any of the candidates. It is too bad that the voters can’t get past the first 3 debates and see the superior candidate that he really is.

      • Rhampton

        If he’s going to win the nomination – which he most certainly still can – he’s must now do by starting from the bottom. The tremendous advantage he was given (and it was a gift, not something he earned) at the outset has been lost, and the only way to win it back is through hard work and a bit of luck.

    • http://908StraightSt.wordpress.com/ mbecker908

      There’s been no “reckoning of hope with reality”. Fundamentally, the “electorate” can’t be bothered to look at the record, they’d rather listen to “gotcha” questions in a debate format – note, NOT a “debate”, just a debate “format” – and when a candidate stumbles on a question, that stumble means more than an exceptional 10 year record as executive of a huge state.

      They’d rather hang their hat with a guy who has a solid record of sucking up to Hillary/Bill Clinton, Nancy Pelosi, who’s seen the global warming monster and bowed in submission and who thinks Hillary’s health care plan just needed some tweaking.

      And then we’ve got the Massachusetts Miracle that people are trying to pass off as a “conservative”. He’s held every possible position on every issue in the last ten years or so.

      Etc, etc, etc.

      You Rhampton, are an idiot.

      • Common_Cents

        That’s a tall order.

        • David123

          and they’ll enjoy educating the whole electorate about Newt’s negatives.

          Newt has had some significant moral/ethical lapses … and he’s a Republican so he doesn’t get a pass. The favorite MSM news story is a news story about a corrupt Republican politician.

          • Common_Cents

            LOL. “golly gee, perry is a pretty clean guy” , said Keith Olbermann, “yeah, I couldn’t find anything either”, said Chris ‘tingle my leg’ Mathews.

            Heres the left’s playbook on Perry, for starters:

            “Perry = Bush” – that will run 24/7

            “Perry = Birther” (sheriff Arpaio is a known birther touring with Perry)

            With all the other routine smears, plus Perry’s congratulatory letter to Hilary for Hilary Care.

            the point is, the left is going to spend $1billion on negative ads on anyone.

            We need someone who can fight back most effectively and render it useless.

            One way to do that is continually putting Obama’s record on the line in the debates and keep him on the defensive.

          • David123

            Rick Perry has, as far as I know, kept his marriage vows – to his one AND ONLY wife. He has served honorably in the Air Force.

            If I was Obama, I’d much rather debate Gingrich than Perry.

      • federalfarmer1

        Can appreciate true genius, like yourself. And tbone. The rest of us are idiots.

      • Rhampton

        You seem to think I’m making a controversial argument, which I am not – far from it.

        Do you really believe that Rick Perry’s collapse wasn’t his own fault? Do you really think the GOP primary voters are too dumb, lazy, or prejudiced to have judged his performance (to date) fairly? From what I can see, the primary voters are busy trying to figure out who the can settle for because all of the candidates have taken disconcerting positions and made embarrassing gaffes.

        • federalfarmer1

          It doesnt pay to argue. They are just hurting Perry by attacking conservatives who don’t buy the legend as stupid.

        • texashistorian

          However, I don’t agree that it’s Perry’s fault entirely. He has done what every single one of the candidates has done in misspeaking, forgetting a fact, having a brain freeze, getting a detail wrong. It was the magnitude of the microscope that was partly responsible. In many quarters, people looked to Perry as the GOP Second Coming, which really ratcheted up the attention, which gave the media incentive to overblow ever single thing. Have you noticed the narrative about Perry? Toast, sinking campaign, faltering bid, etc. etc. LIke or not, though I like to believe that conservatives are generally more attentive and knowledgeable than liberals, that has an effect on folks.

  • lizzie

    as I watch the issues the GOP ‘base’ has with Perry, I find it ironic that they are all positives for electability in the general. Liberal media has praised Perry for his alleged fatal flaws, including haveuing been a democrat until 1989 , which Ron Paul has made a into a viscious attack.

    the entire media, right to left, has to be convinced that Perry is NOT the stereotype of ‘dumb Texan white southern racist’
    the Evangelicals have to stop thinking Perry is evil because he endorsed Giuliani in 2008.

    and someone needs to stop whoever is hacking google to Perry’s disadvantage.

    His speech to the NH legislature was a WOW! – the text is at Perry;’s website, but so far, no video, no real media echo, lost in the Cain-Gingrich-Romney onbsessions this week.

    You get the Perry who made THAT speech, and America will breathe a 300 million sigh of relief – and then Obama can blame Perry for increasing CO2 emissions :)

  • 1bunny

    “being President is not about joining the debate club but about leadership”

    http://www.facebook.com/l.php?u=http%3A%2F%2Fmedia.969bostontalks.com%2FPodcasts%2F1468%2F11-28-11perry.mp3&h=zAQG2w_zRAQGe9sPyTbCnaqdS5PjoUoYSasTtn8TxICfVEA

  • Change Jar Conservative

    Daniels (brokered convention)
    Perry
    Gingrich
    Bachmann
    Romney
    Christie (brokered convention)
    ====================================

    My caveat:
    Whoever is highest in my list and is in the top two in the polls will get my vote in the Georgia primary.

  • Right_Again

    Gingrinch and Romney are the top two candidates for a reason. Those two have learned to appeal to large segments of Republican voters for more than a month. I would actually prefer Chris Christie to either of them, but he opted out.

    I appreciate that each of the top two, like Christie, can intelligently articulate why conservative views are superior to progressive, liberal, Democrat, or even Republican views. Ron Paul occasionally starts to explain the superiority of conservative views and then just goes off into crazy land.

    The other candidates have also had limited success at this. Perry comes across as neither articulate nor intelligent. His record may speak well for him, but it’s too bad he can’t.

    I will gladly vote for either Gingrich or Romney.

  • tngal

    I empathise. I’m still on the Cain train. I wanted to like Newt. But he’s acting a little too uppity for me. Keep the candidate your comfortable with.

    I believe the only one who can change a supporter’s opinion, is the candidate they support.

    • Scope

      and will be endorsing another candidate soon.

  • donald_24

    I would be willing to support Perry if he woudl forget about his absurd idea of a part tiem Congress and letting them have outside employment. Such a proposal merely legalizes corruption and turns all 535 members of Congress into lobbyists, as they willl vote in favor of their employers rather than principal.