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I neither love nor hate Newt Gingrich, but I sure get a kick out of his demagoguery skills.

Let’s face it, the new-found love for Gingrich is the pepper in the eye of the establishment side of the G.O.P. Tent. And that endears Newt to me just a little, but that’s not enough to win me over.

My analysis of why Newt won South Carolina is two-fold. (H.T. CNN Exit Poll data)

1. Most (88%) of the Republican Primary electorate in South Carolina may be persuaded by debate performance, which clearly favored Newt.



2. Newt’s demagoguery skills are enough to overcome his past; politically, professionally, and personally, at least in South Carolina.

If we really get into the cross-tabs, you may even see a correlation that evangelicals make up the majority of the T.E.A. Party faction of the Republican tent in S.C. It is possible these folks may have taken Sarah Palin’s advice quite literally.

In addition to Sarah’s admonition, it would appear that Romney fails to attract evangelicals (not due to his Mormonism, but due to his moderate/liberal attraction). I think its possible that there was a general coalescing of T.E.A. party/Evangelicals that determined by debate performance, that Newt is the only viable anti-Romney (conservative). This does not bode well for Santorum, in effect it makes this a two-tiered, two-man race.

At the top tier conservative ideology well spoken vs. non-offending culling of the moderates while taming hyperbole and demagoguery.

At the lower tier of sane social conservatism vs. insane/youthful libertarian bends. (both of these individuals and their supporters will eventually have to choose one or the other of the top tier, secretly they both hope this goes to convention, but we all know money runs out the longer this thing goes).

I believe that Newt’s found the chink in the armor of our “Inevitable” nominee. Which is put simply… Demagogue to victory, and hope the past doesn’t catch up with him. Mitt simply won’t demagogue, at least not on conservative ideas, he’s plum happy going after Newt on “influence peddling”. His plan all along is to win the moderates, and he and his handlers must be in agreement, don’t offend the moderates/independents.

The odd thing is, I’m not convinced that Newt’s entirely over his past… and I’m not talking about his personal life. He seems to see nothing wrong with demagoguing Mitt’s private sector success, while trying to muddy the waters on the definition of lobbyist.

Clearly South Carolina voters believe that Newt is electable. They believe he can beat Obama… by debate.

I’m not so convinced that Obama will “lose” any debate… he’s got a media that will throw him softball questions, and moderators from the media, that will gladly re-direct the conversation if its not going well for Dear Leader.

At the same time, I don’t think Romney’s ‘don’t offend the moderates’ strategy is much better, because the path to victory of necessity requires a strong base of G.O.P. drum beating, while convincing the moderates and libertarians, that 4 more years of Obama will be the end of America: land of the Free. Yes 4 more years of Obama is the beginning of America: land of the Total Egalitarian State of Fairness, Equality, and Social Reform as the State sees fit to impose upon its citizens.

As long as Newt is pushing the conversation to the right… I’ll forgive his past too. I’m completely undecided at this point, and believe I may end up voting a conscience vote in the primary. My loyalties are mine to give, don’t bother trying to tell me it’s my fault if Romney wins the nomination, I’m not convinced yet that, that scenario is so bad either.

All that being said. The moniker “Food Stamp President” is brilliant. I think it’s amazing how Newt can turn a liberal argument on its ear. I think this is a trait that will be needed to beat Obama and the MSM. However, nothing will be won in the general if people are not awakened to the awful state of the union. If the moderates are culled into security and safety arguments regarding the economy, and if the G.O.P. candidate is demonized to the convincing of moderates that the G.O.P. isn’t serious about fixing things (i.e. spending, then taxing to make up for excessive spending) then all is lost.

The arguments must be made for Cut, Cap, Balance. The argument must be made for Entitlement reform. The argument must be made for Tax reform. The argument must be made for reducing, and making more efficient Federal regulation. The argument must be made for Energy independence plan. The argument must be made that these actions will result in more economic activity, and get the capital back in the markets and taking risk again.

One way or another, any of the remaining candidates… should they win the nomination, will get my undivided loyalty.

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  • acat

    a young city council woman in Alaska.

    Mew

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    that the highest level of energy amongst the electorate exists on the right end of the political spectrum with Conservatives. IMO, I think all of them have been pandering to Conservatives to some extent, and as a voter, trying to determine who is pandering and on what issue they might be pandering…that’s easier said than done, isn’t it?

    If one of them can find a way to succeed in channelling that energy, do you believe that it would provide that candidate with a means of gaining favor with a greater number of Independents, or do you believe the opposite would be true?

    • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

      “If one of them can find a way to succeed in channelling that energy, do you believe that it would provide that candidate with a means of gaining favor with a greater number of Independents, or do you believe the opposite would be true?”

      The fact is, Most Americans HATE the status quo. They know Washington D.C. is broken. What seems to be the problem is that extremism in the defense of liberty has become the excuse for demagoguery when there are differing definitions of liberty in the minds of Americans.

      Americans need to be educated on liberty. We need a candidate that can educate as much as “channel” energy. Newt has this capacity. I think Romney also has the capacity. It remains to be seen how well either message is received based on the delivery.

      This division is precisely what allows Washington D.C. to remain settled to the progressives and moderates. Conservatism requires self discipline and personal accountability. When the people are emotionally manipulated into believing that government can solve their problems, we lurch leftward.

      At this point I view it as such:
      Romney as president will attempt to make government efficient, and he might possibly succeed more than he fails, but if he fails more than he succeeds, he’ll go down in history like Herbert Hoover.

      Newt as president will attempt to pick battles regarding the low hanging fruit, then claim he did significant things.

      Should either candidate get a Republican Majority in both the House and Senate, I’m almost certain that the Senate will use the nuclear option to change the rules, and they’ll cram in as much as they’ve wanted to for some time, including repeal of Obamacare.

      Some of the re-working of regulations will likely favor the usual suspects in the Republican lobby, but may possibly be catalyst to see change in Economy as those that have capital to risk, may determine this is the last great opportunity to win big…

      I’m becoming MORE and MORE convinced that POTUS is irrelevant. That Representative Government MUST come from the PEOPLE in the form of House seats and Senate seats.

      It’s time that we of sincere conservatism take to the streets, and co-opt any movement that primaries every single seat with the most conservative rep that can win.

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        That’s where our greater opportunities lie in this particular situation, and that’s where we’ll have to focus the greater portion of our efforts.

        I’m glad to see you using the word “we” Justin. I’ve been thinking for a good while that we as Conservatives need to start thinking more in the context of “we” and “us”. I know that it comes across as being collectivist and all that, but it is something that needs to happen if we are to have any hope of succeeding in this battle in the long run. This isn’t something that any single one of us can succeed in alone.

        Also, I think it’s past time that we stop letting the actions of the Dems and the left, and all their regulatory measures, dictate our own actions. There are options that we have, even within the bounds of promoting capitalistic endeavors, that we haven’t been utilizing to speak of. I’m hoping that we’ll begin to do so in the days ahead, because as far as our economy is concerned, preserving as much of free-market capitalism as we can will make a huge difference in where things go from here.

        I guess what I’m saying is that maybe instead of expecting people like Newt or Romney to be the educators, Conservative can become both educators and leaders through our example.

        • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

          …So I can link to them for my friends, so they know what I believe, and what I think, and so they can read my thought stream, rather than derail them in confrontational settings… and it shows them that I’m not some “lone voice” when they come to Redstate…

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            That’s very shrewd on your part, because just in the course of talking to people, they often express the opinion that ideas such as this are way, way outside the mainstream. They aren’t. Not typical for Conservatives, perhaps. But not totally outside the mainstream. And not unrealistic either.

            Stay with it, Justin. I enjoy reading what you write…most of the time, LOL.

  • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

    Newt’s Jacksonian Revolution

    I found it to be an interesting argument that Newt is changing the electorate.

    There are two ways to win elections. The simplest is to find a way to win the support of the electorate as it exists. But when that’s not possible, a candidate must find a way to change the electorate.

    That’s what Gingrich did on Saturday.

    • In The Hook

      And that Newt Freaking Gingrich is going to bring out all the conservatives who allegedly sat on the sidelines for all this time? Somehow I really, really doubt that.

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        If there was ever a time to win by a clear margin, this is it. We’ll be up against not only Obama, but also the MSM and every crooked trick in the book that the left can use to try to pull in a win.

        So I hope one of them does find a way to energize the base (and hopefully enough people in the middle) to the extent that there is a clear, definitive margin of victory in the Presidential election. Right now, the person who seems most likely to succeed in this is Newt. That could change. So far it hasn’t, but it could.

        • In The Hook

          And ’64 if Gingrich is nominated. It’s our choice.

          Let’s not forget that 2004 was plenty winnable for the Democrats. They just totally failed to execute a good strategy against Bush/Rove’s excellent one. Obama already has the Rove playbook open to make 2012 a “choice” instead of a referendum. Our mission is to make the election a total referendum on Obama, the way 2010 was.

          If we choose a candidate that is acceptable to the general public and run a strategy to make Obama the focus, we’ll win. If we nominate someone as destructive as Angle or O’Donnell, we get slaughtered.

          I’ll stipulate that if Romney can’t beat Gingrich on the merits he doesn’t deserve to be the nominee. But I also think people are building Gingrich up as something he’s not and making him a “conservative warrior” when he’s far from it. They’re also not thinking straight about what will happen come the general. Those Lincoln-Douglas debates? Not happening. The raucous crowds? They won’t exist. And Newt is NOT going to bust out the “how dare you sir” lines at Obama. He just won’t. He said it on Fox News today: We need to show stability and leadership and not swing wildly. I mean that’s craziness coming from him since all he was doing was swinging wildly thus far but it demonstrates what he’s going to do next.

          He’s banking on ginning up a fantasy for conservatives where we get to tear into Obama and he’s just gonna sit there stunned and have no effective reply. It. Won’t. Happen.

          • texashistorian

            I just don’t see it here. First off, Obama is not JFK or LBJ. Goldwater was so far up against it at that moment in time he never stood a chance, even had he been more Rockefeller-ish. Secondly, Goldwater was really the first national stage Republican to push the hard-core conservative message to the people since Calvin Coolidge. We have a far more receptive public now to conservatism.

            No matter how the nominee is, Obama is in trouble. Can we screw it up? Absolutely, but in no way is the 2012 national economic situation, electorate, or even global issues anything close to 1964

          • APA Guy

            The country rallied to LBJ’s banner after the tragedy of Kennedy’s assassination…much like they did to the GOP after 9/11 because a Republican was president at the time. We had unprecidented gains in the 2002 midterms that likely would not have been realized had the country not been (correctly) supporting President Bush.

            This is not 1964…and Obama bears closer match to Carter via his failed economic policies (which, similarly, led to high gas prices and general economic malaise) and Newt articulates conservatism in a manner consistent with another great GOP leader who was considered “unelectable” in 1980.

            I think the country is about to find out what is possible when conservatism makes a comeback. We now have a messenger running for president who can explain it with the strength and clarity it deserves.

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            You and I both know that. Romney is who he is, and for this particular time, it’s difficult for someone like Romney to connect with voters. Newt isn’t perfect by any stretch of the imagination, and I’ve never once tried to insinuate much less to say that he is. Even if we were to have a brokered convention, it’s difficult to tell how the general public would respond to whoever gets chosen to represent us on the Republican side of the spectrum.

            You keep pulling things past whereas I keep dealing with what exists now, and we’re coming at from different viewpoints. In the past, what we had was soft socialism, creeping socialism. What we’ve had in the past three years has been a blatant move towards hard socialism that seeks to undermine and destroy everything this nation was founded on. And a significant number of voters have woken up from their slumber to see the truth of that for exactly what it is.

            Yes, at this time we do have a capricious electorate to contend with…voters who are weary of the MSM, ticked off to the hilt that excessive spending just goes on and on and on, small business owners who are scared out of their wits to try to grow or expand their businesses because they have no way of knowing what totally outrageous thing this admin is going to dump on them next, and people who may want to work and have beat the pavement many times over trying to find a job who end being pushed to the point of despair and settling for dependency on the federal gov’t after 99 weeks of unemployment benefits.

            They want to know that SOMEONE is going to fight for them, In The Hook. That in itself is a boon for the Republican party, if it is approached in the right way.

            Whether it is Gingrich as an individual, Conservatives in Congress, or the Republican Party as a whole, if they let the general electorate know that they will be the ones to fight against this, then it is to our advantage all the way around. Why should people in the middle even look our way if we won’t fight???

          • In The Hook

            But not to the general electorate that doesn’t feel aggrieved by the media and doesn’t fear government as much as we do. In fact, they lump big government and big corporations together and want a pox on both our houses. That’s why it’s imperative to nominate someone who makes this about Obama.

            Nominating a fighter, a warrior, a guy who can take it to them sounds fine. But we’re not nominating a spokesman for conservatism. We’re just not. We’re putting up a guy who can do the job as president because Obama has proven he can’t do it. Obama is a great spokesman for liberalism and is a terrible executive. A real executive would have LBJ’d it up when he had an unstoppable majority in Congress. A guy who is in command would have taken the ball and run with it big-time, consequences be damned, knowing that he’d probably lose his super majority by 2010 anyway but the public will forget about everything in 2012. That’s what a liberal executive would have done.

            We’re looking to put up somebody who can do the job. Not a guy who can just talk. The left did that in ’08 and put up a guy with no leadership experience and look where it got them. Now we are thinking of putting up a guy with a history of poor leadership and as vacillating as the uninspiring guy with actual executive experience because he can push the buttons to deploy red meat. Sounds like a plan.

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            if he can’t connect with enough voters to inspire them to come out and vote for the man in the first place???

            We have to win before we can govern. It’s as simple as that.

            BTW, if you go back and look at the last part of my comments, you’ll see that I specifically stated in no uncertain terms that this indication of a fighting spirit could come from ANY element of our side of the political fence, In The Hook, and still be effective. It could be a team effort as far as that concerned and still carry the same weight from the viewpoint of the general public.

          • In The Hook

            If Mitt can’t beat Gingrich on the merits in the primary, he deserves to lose and would have lost to Obama anyway, who you know, actually has an organization.

            I’m not saying we should coddle the guy, protect him or anything else. I’m just trying to pop the fantasy bubble surrounding Newt’s candidacy and his message out winning by winning the debates.

            I 100% concede that I can’t really give a good, positive case for Romney except that he’s a competent executive and clearly a decent family man. Anything else would stretch the truth and be a lie to both myself and you folks.

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            I really don’t. And I don’t live inside a bubble where Newt is concerned. I know it may be hard for you to believe that right now, but I don’t.

            The overall point that I was trying to make is that it just comes down to people, i.e. the voters. Plenty of people are of the belief that we’re on the wrong track right now, and they do want to see SOMEONE who is willing to take on the fight to get us back on the right track. Now, if Republicans as a whole can win against the left via messaging or anything else that convinces the general public that Republicans will be the ones who are fighting in their behalf, then it takes the pressure off of whoever our candidate might be in the general election to carry all of it on their own. It will raise spirits and enthusiasm across the board and get more people proactively involved in ensuring that Obama loses in Nov. 2012.

            The voters are just human, In The Hook. And they want to know that at least one of the political parties in this country is on their side. If they don’t see anything to indicate that this is true, then turnout in 2012 could end up being extremely LOW and that increases Obama’s chance of a second term.

            That’s why I keep talking about having a “fighting spirit”, okay?

          • APA Guy

            Gingrich is the best explicator of conservative policies I have watched since Reagan. He commands an audience and they are obviously inspired given his rise in the polls and appeal among Independents in SC.

            Newt on the trail is as strong as Newt on the debate dais. He single-handedly put the Contract with America on the map at a time when Democrats were running roughshod over the country, its budget, and its economy. He changed the nature and direction of the Clinton policy directives. There is no reason to believe that he can’t perform in a similarly-successful fashion given that he is now battling a weaker, more vulnerable electoral opponent in Obama.

          • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

            I 100% concede that I can?t really give a good, positive case for Romney except that he?s a competent executive and clearly a decent family man. Anything else would stretch the truth and be a lie to both myself and you folks.

            I don’t think I could explain it any better myself.

            Between this for Romney, and my reluctance to trust that Newt isn’t just a bowlful of rhetoric that is sweet to my ears… I say let them duke it out… and let the best campaign win… but I certainly can’t consciously go about telling others that Newt is the best thing since Reagan either.

            So like I stated in my diary… I may have to vote conscience in the primary, and then join the reserve army for the nominee. I do think it’s gonna be either Newt or Romney… It’s a coin toss for me at that point. However I’m still listening… maybe Newt will show me how sincere he is. We’ll see. I don’t have to make a decision until Super Tuesday in my state.

          • acat

            In fact, they lump big government and big corporations together and want a pox on both our houses.

            with nominating Romney? He’s *both* !

            Mew

          • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

            ZING-T.

          • acat

            doesn’t like any of our candidates, and is hoping for a brokered convention and/or for one of the “suspended” campaigns to “un-suspend”.

            I’m trying to find a historical parallel, an instance when someone actually *did* un-suspend. … or the last time we didn’t know – until the convention – who the nominee was. Would the latter have been 1976?

            Mew

          • acat

            A weak President who *should* have lost held on because the GOP nominated a stiff, uninspiring candidate who, worse, was unable to slap down a challenger from his right.

            Replace Clinton, Dole, and Perot with Obama, Romney, and Paul, and I think we’re in the same scene.

            I don’t see many here claiming Gingrich is “a champion of conservatism”, you certainly haven’t seen me say it. The conservatives were, as usual, defeated in packets by the insider.

            The choice is not between a conservative and a moderate, it’s between a milquetoast and an old fighter.

            That enough people haven’t “knuckled under and swallowed their milquetoast” should tell you just how disliked Romney really is.

            Mew

            p.s. I can do historical parallels all day if you’d like.

      • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

        and not throwing the word “Freaking” near Newt’s name…

        I appreciate Melody for bringing this to my attention. But let’s not play pin the argument on the straw-man. Melody deserves more respect than an off the cuff comment about Newt and the “general”.

        • Melody Warbington (rwm52)

          I was curious about your opinion on the article as you’re a wee bit more objective than In The Hook. LOL.

    • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

      The premise of the argument is really to pit the Romney campaign strategy against the Gingrich campaign strategy.

      I’ll be honest and simply say, I don’t know if either strategy is more or less effective when it comes to the general election. Either way, until one or the other is nominated, there’s no point in speculating.

      I do however, reject the premise. I personally believe that the way forward for conservatives will come from the ground up… not from a top-down campaign style solution.

      Voting contests are varying degrees of acceptability by popularity. So I don’t think we need to complicate the analysis.

  • daveoconnor

    So Newt has finally told you how he feels. Man! That must have been a load off!

    • Justin Spagnolo (standardcandle)

      :) nt.

      • daveoconnor

        becomes the “Golden Paradigm”

  • Common_Cents

    for a contribution.

    He is a game changer.

    • WillWong

      Newt on a shoe string budget is a wonder to behold….Wonder how he does with unlimited money?

      • Common_Cents

        that he is in first place w/ 1/10 the money romney spends, and with nearly no staff/consultants, and he’ll run a similar lean government when elected. that is what I call living up to limited governing and a real conservative ;)

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