Just words.
Just words.
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Just words.
"For those who have fought under the flag of this nation -- for the young veterans I meet when I visit Walter Reed; for those like John McCain who have endured physical torment in service to our country -- no further proof of such sacrifice is necessary," said Obama. "And let me also add that no one should ever devalue that service, especially for the sake of a political campaign, and that goes for supporters on both sides."
Just words.
Dem Guru: McCain Limited by POW Years
ABC News' Teddy Davis and Molly Hunter Report: While Barack Obama was urging supporters not to devalue the military service of rival John McCain, a top Democratic voice on foreign policy argued Monday that the former POW's isolation during the Vietnam war has hobbled the Arizona senator's capacity as a war-time leader.
Rand Beers, an Obama supporter who served as Sen. John Kerry's, D-Mass., top national security adviser during his 2004 presidential run, said that because McCain was in an unfortunate state of "isolation" during much of the Vietnam War, he missed the domestic turmoil which took place in the United States and his national security experience is "sadly limited" as a result.
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... when the Swift Boat that goes around, comes around.
The Golden Rule: Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.
It's gonna be a looonnnngggg eight years, fellas.
Freedom of Religion NOT Freedom from Religion
Your Mom says you should try to act more mature when you talk with adults.
Kids these days ... jeez!
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
How ya likin' it so far?
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
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“You are not only responsible for what you say, but also for what you do not say. ” - Martin Luther
Off the Obama bus too, along with WaPo. Not only did they report the statements, but the CONTRASTED them to Obama's public statements.
I bet Obama would like a do-over for June.
"If they were merely incompetent, then at least SOME of their actions would have been to the benefit of the country."
It is early enough that such things will be forgotten come November.
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Dependence is Slavery.
1. Um, McCain's father was the commander of the whole Pacific theater during the war, McCain heard anti-war speeches broadcast into his cell, he was entreated to meet with anti-war groups, and he wrote a War College thesis in 1973 focusing on the effect of that movement on POWs. It's laughable to suggest he's somehow ignorant of what went on.
2. I love this irony:
because McCain was in an unfortunate state of "isolation" during much of the Vietnam War, he missed the domestic turmoil which took place in the United States
You know who else was living in Southeast Asia far from the U.S. political scene in 1967-71? Barack Obama, Indonesian schoolboy, that's who.
3. A quotation from Thomas Jefferson about his political opponents comes to mind:
They say we lied them out of power, and openly avow they will do the same by us.
Convinced that "swift-boating" was both untruthful and effective, but not understanding why, the former Kerryites avow to do the same to McCain. Hilarity ensues.
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
I almost hate to make this point, as the left might try it, but they're in dire straits if they're coming to me for adivce.
If they wanted to make McCain's experience look negative, they could push that because his experience of the anti-war movement is tainted by the prison camps, where he was subjected to anti-war propaganda and tortured by it, he would have a unduly negative view of anyone who says that war may not be the best approach to [country or choice].
That way they aren't trying to dismiss his experience, but are instead twisting it to suit their needs.
When THEIR candidate has NO experience, it is silly to try and suggest that the other candidiate doesn't.
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Dependence is Slavery.
...giving my honest opinion to the Left on tactical issues, and the next one of them who'll actually take it will be the first.
It was especially fun to do during the 2004 Presidential election.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
No worries, I just hate tossing a bone to my political adversaries.
Though, does what I suggest make sense?
In the world of political posturing, I am pretty new.
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Dependence is Slavery.
In our society, military service issues are fraught with... well, they're just "fraught."
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
I understand.
Though, truth be told, I don't know anyone who supports our military (I mean more than "Yes, I support the military, get them home now!" idiots) who think that Obama would be a wiser steward of our men and women in uniform.
I know many anti-war nuts who believe so, but they also tend to believe that the only wars we ought to be involved in are against Big Oil and Big Tobacco, which are waged in the courts, not the battlefields overseas.
The really sad part? I know many anti-war nuts.
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Dependence is Slavery.
they are already doing that (well, they're saying that he made propaganda stuff for the vietnamnese and basically betrayed his country).
Proud to be under 30 and not supporting liberals!
Well, that's not what I was referring to.
I was thinking that if they wanted to strike a cord with the 'undecided voters' they could suggest that the time in the camp unhinged him a bit and made him unable to deal with anyone who might oppose this war, as his experience with those opposed to war was limited to and skewed by the time he spent in a war camp.
They could paint him as naturally biased against anyone who would be anti-war which would make him less 'balanced' in the eyes of the undecideds.
It'd be wholly untrue (though even if true, it'd be a positive in that he'd at least know what anti-war statements do out on the battlefield and in prison camps), but that has never stopped the left before.
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Dependence is Slavery.
This is the defense:
his national security experience is "sadly limited" as a resultI wonder what the offense is, though.
Maybe those bitter, Bible and gun-toting small town Pennsylvanians have started to realize Obama has a non-existent resume. Ignorant peasants, hiss.
Most likely when people wanted to know more about Obama there wasn't anything to know.
We have put good men into that office, we have put bad men, we have as yet to put in a nothing.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
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Now, we all know that people think he was a mighty precocious ten year old, and that that gives him more experience of the Vietnam War and the prior and subsequent foreign policy than what John McCain has.
I know that when I was 10 years old I thought I knew more than anyone else in the world, too.
And ten years later, Barack was a student at Columbia College, and a lot of people from that time remember him very well. It's hard to see how that changes the equation vis-a-vis his foreign policy experience. Except maybe as a quiet subversive and an elaborate self-promoter...
He takes a job in an unidentified “consulting house to multinational corporations,” where he is “a spy behind enemy lines,” startled to find himself with a secretary, a suit and money in the bank.
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“All of Barack’s embellishment serves a larger narrative purpose: to retell the story of the Christ’s temptation. The young, idealistic, would-be community organizer gets a nice suit, joins a consulting house, starts hanging out with investment bankers, and barely escapes moving into the big mansion with the white folks.”
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Like other transfer students, Mr. Obama lived off campus and bounced from one apartment to another. For a while, he said, he lived with a Pakistani whom he calls Sadik. He recalls that when he lived in a walk-up on East 94th Street, he would chat with his Puerto Rican neighbors about the Knicks or the sound of gunfire at night.
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“Sometimes, coming out of an interview with Japanese financiers or German bond traders, I would catch my reflection in the elevator doors — see myself in a suit and tie, a briefcase in my hand — and for a split second I would imagine myself as a captain of industry, barking out orders, closing the deal, before I remembered who it was that I had told myself I wanted to be and felt pangs of guilt for my lack of resolve,” Mr. Obama wrote.
And now he finds himself as the Democratic Party's nominee for President, with a legion of supporters, a war chest full of George Soros' friends' money, and yes -- still a nice suit. Now he's sure of who he wants to be -- the President of the United States.
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I wonder if the Institute for Advanced Study is going to start castigating the New York Times for spreading rumors about Kitten...rumors based on his own writing?
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10.... when I was 10...
*ponders*
yeah, I had a Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles trapper keeper and I thought that I knew more than my teacher.
Though, given the teacher, I actually might have.
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Dependence is Slavery.
The hard left (a majority of Dems btw) is only strengthening our support for McCain. So many conserves came into this half hearted. If Obama and his leftist allies played it down the middle, they would have a good chance of depressing the Repub vote and winning. The more they attack McCain's service, the more votes they will lose. I think people are finally realizing that this is an either, or situation, and Obama and the anti-American left would be a stain we might never recover from.
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Molon Labe!
they cannot help it.
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
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Molon Labe!
Let me see if I got this right -
McCain's experience, fighting in air-to-air combat, seeing his friends killed, getting shot down, seeing the enemy close-up, being in Hanoi during air raids, and spending five years in a filthy cell being tortued by the enemies of this country, doesn't convey a deep enough understanding of the horrors of war.
Or, that is, not the kind of in-depth understanding he would have gotten, had he been on a nice, clean college campus, drinking, toking, going to the protest rallies to get laid strike a blow for peace, and most importantly, watching the war on TV.
That's pretty much what they're saying, right?
Just exactly what and how much do you have to have smoked in the 60's before this makes any sense?
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"You can't save the Earth unless you're willing to make other people sacrifice" - Scott Adams (speaking through Dogbert)
McCain's decades of public service since the war and Obamas couple of years in the Senate. So can they convince the people that Vietnam just ended and McCain has less experience than Obama? It is possible, in today's America, anything is possible.
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Molon Labe!
You have surrogates heap as much bs on your opponent as possible to try and paralyze their image and campaign. All the while you deny your surrogates, toss them under the bus, and give feint praise to your opponent to prove you are above the "usual" politics of destruction.
Thus, Obamabus is a well-fed god.
and the architect of an unsuccessful candidate's foreign policy are to be believed above all other experts?
Clark should try this line of attack:
"Military rank or experience does dot automatically give you an understanding of foreign policy and I stand here as living proof..........."

You know who else missed all that "domestic turmoil" Beers? Most of your candidate's supporters.