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knowing that this is how their leaders act. Knowing the history of their leaders regarding the defense of this nation.
It just doesn't make sense.

who finally got us out of Vietnam. A Republican wartime president with a grasp of reality.

cut funds to the South Vietnamese and is responsible for the deaths of about five million people in Vietnam, Laos and Cambodia.

I guess five million dead just isn't enough for the Democratic Party. If they cut funding for Iraq, I'm sure they'll get another couple of million.

If that doesn't satisfy their lust for the blood of innocents, I really don't know what they'll do.
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Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't.

The point is, though, that its terribly cynical to play these games with matters of life and death, of national security. It's the way this Congressional majority operates, and Rangel's statement is really nothing the House leadership hasn't acknowledged.

Joe Biden, however, denied it for the Senate version this morning on FOX News Sunday, explaining that it isn't pork because the Administration hadn't included necessary spending -- such as for Hurricane Katrina -- in earlier spending bills.

Rangel was doing a book tour this morning.

The Democrats tacked pork onto their attempt to micromanage a war in order that it passed. The military leadership have said that the Democrats' measure will harm our troops. The Commander in Chief agrees.

This is a matter of life-and-death, of national security. For the Dems to play these games with such a measure is cynical and best, anti-American at worst. Either way you call it, it is despicable. Period.

The VAST majority of Americans support the bill, many saying it doesn't go far enough.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

It shouldn't be that hard to find... Unless you don't want to see it.. Go to pollingreport.com and right on the front page you see the latest newsweek poll, where support for the senate bill leads by 21 points. CBS news poll saying 59 to 37 in favor of setting timetables.

Just go to http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm and look at every poll. Across the board, Americans do not support the occupation and want our boys to come home... How can two thirds of Americans be anti-American?

You said a "vast majority" of Americans are in favor of the yet unreconciled bills passed by the House and Senate.

I asked for the cite to substantiate this statement?

Give me the cite. Don't post again until you have it.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

in that the vast majority of Americans don't support the bill, because they haven't read it. Americans do say, by a majority, that they want our troops to stop being target practice and get out of Iraq on a timetable. That's a fact, Jack.

you want to be getting involved in this? I don't see a cite here to support the statement in question, nothing else is being discussed in that regard.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

What are you looking for? That is an aggregate of all the national polling data that's been published... What sort of citation were you looking for?

is a cite to support the flagrant falsehood you posted.

Next post has to include it.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

??? is this a joke?

this is not a joke.

You aren't allowed to make up data or facts to try to win an argument. There are no polling data on those bills and a "vast majority" of Americans approves of very little. The fact that you seem to think that type of behavior is either acceptable or so unremarkable that you don't need to provide either proof or retraction has just served as our signal that your continued presence will more detrimental than beneficial.

Tchuss.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

Doesn't happen often, but he must be having a bad day.

Yes, you are a joke.
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with the "VAST" majority bit. It would probably be more accurate to say that a majority of Americans are clueless as to the actual language contained in H.R. 1591, and are either misinformed, or uninformed, about the real and emerging threats said language portends regarding our national security.

But, to address your question: "How can it be anti-American?"

a) It is anti-American to vote for legislation that seeks an American defeat.

b) It is unconstitutional to vote for legislation that seeks to undermine and usurp the constitutional authority of the Executive.

c) It is criminal to abrogate congressional constitutional responsibility and the oath of office by allowing one's legislative vote to be bought, given (a) and (b) remain relevant.

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“The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.” – Ronald Reagan

Where is that quote from, and why should I care? None of those points are relevant. They don't apply to the current situation at all.

to the current situation, how was that decision reached? What is it to be called?

I provided no external link to the statements contained within the blockquote, because I'm the original source.

Very curious though: Why would the source of those statements matter more than the factual substance contained within said statements?

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“The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so.” – Ronald Reagan

You can go now.

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Those who live by the sword get shot by those who don't.

Incorrect. Robert Byrd >>>> Ted Stevens in that illustrious category. It's just that Alaska on the whole sucks up so much largesse.

Thank him for his service. Some of us appreciate what he has chosen to do for all of us.

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