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Because I believe that to do so would be futile, but I would suggest that that sentiment is best kept to oneself.

Your feelings are your business. Some things are best left unsaid. Silence can speak volumes, I'm told.

I'm even removing my tag line.

Lee, your feeling are your own. I have never been a fan of Senator Kennedy but still wish him and his family the best. Cancer sucks! I have seen it take too many people to wish it on anyone (with the exception of the truly evil like Bin Laden).Showing a little compassion is a good thing. It sets conservatives apart from the rabid leftist on the Daily Kos and Huffington Post (and about every other leftist blog site) where ill and hateful wishes and thoughts are the dialy fare. Do as you will, it's a free country.

John Wayne

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

Having said that, I think it's important for us to be reminded of how fragile we are and whatever we believe in, it doesn't take away the fact Kennedy was and still is a human being. I don't sympathize with his political beliefs, but I do heartily sympathize with his struggle to cling on his humanity.

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Daniel 2:20 And he [God] changeth the times and seasons: he removeth kings, and setteth up kings: he giveth wisdom unto the wise, and knowledge to them that know understanding.

That passage is strangely poetic for this moment in time.

Quite a bit different from the postings on the Daily Kos when Jerry Falwell died.

was at my desk within minutes to gloat about how happy she was Farwell died and her wishes for his going to the devil.

I reminded her -- as we forgive, we are forgiven ...
I believe God will hold against as much as we hold against others.

M Penny

"Moderator-Please Note: This is an insulting and misogynist comment that reduces the support of Fred Thompson by the female gender to being based upon stereotypes of masculine attributes instead of the conservative principles FDT represents." -MPenny

Who's gonna be there tomorrow?

very proudly

the reason why is that she said when you said lesbian too many men were excited by the thought -- and she didn't want to give men even a few seconds of satisfaction. She said the term dyke pour cold water on that male fantasy -- and this made her smile.

M Penny

Really...I'm good for now.

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M Penny

Google the comments there about Reagan's Alzheimer's and eventual death too.

Hard to imagine that kind of mental state.

"Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper" Peter Griffin...Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity....or else!!!

Go scratch on the door if you need to be let outside!

*Blam*.

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but then maybe justice prevails in the end...

Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."

While I understand (and generally concur with) your point, this forum might not be the best place to bring political axes to grind. I'm the last person you'll ever find defending the policies or life of Senator Edward Kennedy, but seriously, it might be wise to dial it down before the Directors have to give you what-for. He's still a human being with a soul, and he has a family who love and care about him.

As to Chris Dodd's comments, it's going to be a common meme, lionizing the Senator. It's standard boilerplate for the media, so just accept that it's going to happen, and vent it out somewhere else.

Does God teach us that as we forgive, we will be forgiven. Measure for measure.

So for all the reasons any conservative would disagree with much of Senator Kennedy's actions, isn't this a time to pray to God that his grace be given to Senator Kennedy -- if for no other reason than personal self-interest that the same grace may also be made available to each of us.

M Penny

Unfair. Unbalanced. Unmedicated. -- IMAO

now is not the time.

" Got to love the Lord for making things like that."
Morally Compromised

Of a man's life? It's what we supposedly got when President Reagan died, after all. Always going on and on about how he was made of "Teflon" because none of the 'scandals' stuck to him, implying he was sneaky and less than upright.

But because Senator Kennedy was in the Senate for over four decades, no discussion of anything that may cast him in bad light is forbidden?

for all those years, because he is a human being, with friends and family that are hurting right now.

" Got to love the Lord for making things like that."
Morally Compromised

Just because a man has friends and family who are hurting doesn't mean his life can't be objectively analyzed or considered, both good and bad.

Class is another concept you might want to wrap your hands around..

" Got to love the Lord for making things like that."
Morally Compromised

Now being nice is one thing, but I'm willing to debate whether or not he is a great man.

He has spent most of his life fighting what I believe in.

You'd be wearing the inverse imprint of it. This ain't the RedState way.

Unfair. Unbalanced. Unmedicated. -- IMAO

"A man does what he can and endures what he must."

Well said! ...or siad...or dais...maybe just "duh". never took typing

The fact that Senator Kennedy has a malignancy doesn't excuse his past life, public or private.

While there is no reason to rejoice over his illness, let's not lionize a man who has had a truly corrosive effect on American politics and public life.

"A man does what he can and endures what he must."

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It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it.
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Tell me how he has done this?

We all owe the Creator one death.

The path(s) we follow to that closure are our own.

I have lived too long (and endured much, as have many others like me) in the public shadow and under the political effect(s)of Ted Kennedy as he chose his own paths to this point.

I have little good to say about the man as he chose to portray himself privately and project himself publicly. Our paths have been divergent.

The fact that Kennedy might soon pay his preeminent debt to our Creator - as will I, as will we all - means little to me.

As a human being Kennedy deserves as much empathy from me, or all of us, as any other human being finding himself or herself in his condition. And I give him that.

However, Kennedy in the iconic role he chose to represent throughout his public life leaves me unmoved at this moment. It cannot be otherwise.

My wishes for Kennedy include a comfortable, painless safe passage with his loving family surrounding him. My condolences to his family and others close to him.

However, I am bound to say that when Edward Kennedy completes his passage, I will put him out of my mind as quickly as possible.

De Opresso Liber

"Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper" Peter Griffin...Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity....or else!!!

De Opresso Liber

"Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper" Peter Griffin...Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity....or else!!!

De Opresso Liber

Nice to see some SF representation though....Airborne!!

"Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper" Peter Griffin...Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity....or else!!!

I am not being angry, I would truly like to understand you perspective. God knows I have felt the same way about many of your revered leaders as well.

I will not discuss this here, not the time nor the place and you are not accepting emails.

So you know, I am an American Soldier. OIF veteran.

picking an idealogical fight.
Besides, it's low class.
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not trying to pick any fight at all..honestly. Just tired of the inabiltiy for a dialogue to exist. Things can't get anymore alienated betwen the parties and I just wanted to see if any actual discussion was possible

The TOPIC of this diary is condolences and prayers for Kennedy and his family. It was written by "The Directors" who are the 3 or 4 people highest on the RedState totem pole. They specifically said that there are OTHER times for other topics.

What YOU are doing is called thread-jacking. Running off in a direction different than the topic offered. We have asked you repeatedly to drop it, but noooooooo, you have to continue to cry "woe is me".

So, you want to review the whole laundry list of Ted Kennedy's foibles and legislative misfires and leftist tendencies? Then write your OWN diary, with that as the topic. It's real easy, go to your account info and it shows you how to write one.

Savvy?

Unfair. Unbalanced. Unmedicated. -- IMAO

to take your cue from HooHa Mac and C17 wife.
They and me have not traveled in the same circles as thee (a supposition).

I'll take your email if you wish to interact. This is not the place to engage. Do, please, let it go now.

De Opresso Liber

This is a place for prayers and condolences. If you want a fight, open another thread. Else drop it.

Socialism doesn't work. It looks nice on paper, but it's been tried and it's failed miserably every time (usually accompanied by widespread death and suffering).
Proud member of the V.R.W.C.

As a Senator, he deserves our derision. The two are separable. I wish him the best and hope he recovers. I also hope that his
stay in the Senate is coming to an end.

"Broadly speaking, liberalism emphasizes individual rights and equality of opportunity. ... including extensive freedom of thought and speech, limitations on the power of governments, the rule of law, the free exchange of ideas, a market or mixed economy".

Wow, you are surely more liberal than your moniker. Everything you mentioned, Senator Kennedy has fought AGAINST! Well, maybe except for limits of government (only when Republicans are in charge). Of course, your idea of freedom of speech must be much different than mine (think equal time rule - radio)...

Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."

"Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper" Peter Griffin...Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity....or else!!!

You can believe what you like...it honestly doesn't matter to me.

But if you want to know...I read articles on Human Events online several times a week (along with a few other conservative journal sites) and have never really paid attention to the "RedState" stuff until today. I clicked on it, read some of the comments and wanted to post my opinion. As far as the "20 minutes" wisecrack...well, it took 19 minutes to craft a post that said what I wanted to say without taking any cheap shots at the Senator (and believe me, it would have been easier to take the cheap shots!).

So, aaronbg, is there some time requirement before you're allowed to post on this site or are you just picking on the new guy?

The problem is that I saw a bunch of comments that were hurtful and mean spirited and the majority of them came from new posters who had all just happen to land at RedState today of all days. If you are a conservative than act like it. Don't try to pull off a comment that says...I really feel bad for the guy but golly he sure was an A-hole. If you don't like the man just leave at "my prayers are with him and his family". There is no need to talk ill of a man who is near drawing his last breath. If I got you all wrong than I apologize to you but if I got it right you should be ashamed of yourself for politicizing his health issues.

"Land of the Free and Home of da Whopper" Peter Griffin...Family Guy

conform and celebrate diversity....or else!!!

I don't see this as politicizing health issues. I see it as talking about what a poor example he is as a public official. On a personal level, I do feel bad for him, but I'm not going to get all teary-eyed for him either--he is a legitimately bad man (and I don't say that lightly). If I wanted to politicize it, I could go on and on about the things he has done during his time in office (and during time away from the office), but I chose not to do so (except for a couple brief examples).

I also do not believe it is against conservatism to compartmentalize the subject matters. I feel bad for him on a person level; politically, I can't stand the man. This is where I would usually throw in some sarcastic comment from Ann Coulter, but in respect for the man and his office, I am not doing so today (all bets are off for tomorrow).

People, this is like that South Park episode where they state that you have to wait 23.2 years for something to become okay to joke about. Until that time everything has to be super-serious, but (in the episode) because AIDS is now 23.whatever years old, it suddenly becomes funny. So now that Ted Kennedy has a brain tumor we shouldn't talk about his record in office? It has nothing to do with personal attacks on the man. I have made no personal attacks on him (today) and have no intention of doing so. So, if we can't talk about his record today, when can we? Tomorrow? Next week? Oh wait, he might die any day now...we better be careful! What is the proper period of mourning for the disease before we can talk about his time in office? What if it overlaps with him actually dying, then the inevitable funeral and all the glorious thing the press will say about him? Again, this is not about personal attacks; this is about policy and conduct in office.

And I'm asking you nicely to take heed to it.

Unfair. Unbalanced. Unmedicated. -- IMAO

is that he says he just discovered RS today? WTF?

I believe that "honest prayer for civil leaders" also does not mean that we have to turn a blind eye to the evil they may have perpetrated in their life. In which case, the prayer should be for God to change their hearts and minds. I cannot be against that, but I cannot be for the ones who would make a saint of someone who has made Christianity (Catholicism, in particular) a mockery by the way they have lived their life.

Pray for your leaders...and try to replace them when you don't agree with them.

dmjones, I'm inclined to give you your conservative bona fides that you bring out, at least until you give me a reason to doubt. Now as the newcomer here, PLEASE respect the RedState culture's desire to NOT dredge out Teddy's numerous faults at this time. We got your message, as you seem intent on making sure nobody misses it.

Trust me, pal, nobody here's a fan of him, and we all harbor to varying degrees some pretty uncharitable thoughts regarding on Edward Kennedy. There is no halo effect here.

But respect what we do here at RedState. We do not kick Dems at a time like this.

OK? Please? Save it for another day?

Unfair. Unbalanced. Unmedicated. -- IMAO

See my other post (reply to a different message) with regard to details of the timing issue.

"Save it for another day..." Except, that there will always be a reason (in some people's eyes) not to bring things up. I am not kicking Dems while they're down, just trying to point out some of the unbalanced way this is being portrayed.

As stated in another previous posting, I will not apologize for what I have said, but I will say "sorry" about ruffling feather of fellow conservatives. I tried to be careful not to say anything that would be hateful or mean-spirited toward the Senator, but mostly I believe I have said nothing about him that is untrue--and despite what you might think, I have held back (more than some other people that have posted in this page, by the way).

Seems to me that being conservative is not about holding your tongue at every "bad" time. And it's certainly not about agreeing with someone or lauding them when they become sick or die (like so many liberals that became Reagan fans when he died).

I'm trying to make the point that you can feel both ways--sorry for the man; distaste for his politics--and I really don't think the timing matters.

Then so be it. You can't respect our ways, then screw you, I'm done.

And for the record, you know CRAP about conservatism.

Unfair. Unbalanced. Unmedicated. -- IMAO

I made no personal attacks on Kennedy or his family and, in fact, wished them well. You, on the other hand, seem to have gone out of your way to not understand what I am saying, and, then, you make an outright personal attack on me. Interesting...you voted for McCain, didn't you? (Whether you view that as a personal attack or not would be a true arbiter of a person's conservatism, I think.)

I made no personal attacks on Kennedy or his family and, in fact, wished them well. You, on the other hand, seem to have gone out of your way to not understand what I am saying, and, then, you make an outright personal attack on me. Interesting...you voted for McCain, didn't you? (Whether you view that as a personal attack or not would be a true arbiter of a person's conservatism, I think.)

No I got what you were saying. Oh, at least 5 times. But you continue to give primacy to your rights, while showing no interest in your responsibilities -- which is why I say you know nothing of conservatism.

Enjoy your moral superiority.

Unfair. Unbalanced. Unmedicated. -- IMAO

I view speaking the truth as a responsibility, even it isn't politically correct and may step on the toes of the new castrati.

"I view", "me", "me", "you're attacking me", "I want", "my", "me". Goodbye, self-centered, self-righteous twit.

Unfair. Unbalanced. Unmedicated. -- IMAO

here on Redstate about Senator Kennedy before and will be after this. For goodness' sake, can't you hold back for just one day?

If you have so little respect for Redstate that you willingly violate an express request of the directors right after you join, perhaps you should look for a different home.

the person from the politician. While I agree wholeheartedly with your perception of the political Kennedy, he is still a person in peril and deserves our sympathy, understanding and hopes for his recovery. That does not subtract from the desire that he becomes insignificant during his Senate term. May his time within the Senate be short - and may his time understanding life and it's consequences be long.

Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."

Finally, someone willing to have a reasonable conversation on this matter. I can see nothing that I disagree with in your post, and, in fact, you have well-summarized the point I was trying to make. You could have even disagreed with the point and still been agreeable and friendly about it. I have a friend who is so hard-core leftist that he used to be a Communist (before he got disillusioned with them and because convinced they were in league with the American government--long story); we smoke our cigars, drink our adult beverages and have furious debates about important issues without frothing at the mouth and making personal insults. Can't see why some people have trouble with that...

If you can convince the Directors to turn your account back on, no skin off of my nose.

Until then, if I wanted to read dKos with a red color scheme I'll go over there and adjust the tint on my screen.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

Stupid idiots all!

Formally known as Deagle... "Golf is a way of life..."

Deagle, you're better than that. Do you not understand that this diary was PURELY for the purpose of wishing Kennedy and his family good health and condolences, and that stupid twits like dmjones and a couple of others -- after repeated appeals to give the politics a stinking REST for ONE DAY -- could not leave it alone but insisted on piling on? We consider that exceedingly bad form. Your post above was just fine. dmjones's MANY, MULTITUDINOUS ones were not.

Unfair. Unbalanced. Unmedicated. -- IMAO

Unfair. Unbalanced. Unmedicated. -- IMAO

And for comparison, here's a thread on Free Republic on Kennedy's tumor:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2018877/posts

The internet has a way of bringing out the worst in people. To resist that is noble, and I thank you all.

Warning: poster leans left.

Also, coming here to attack Free Republic: POINTLESS

Just go back to Daily Kos and stew over there if all you have to say is an attack of Free Republic in response to an attack on Daily Kos, the site whose founder said "screw them" in response to hearing about Americans being tortured and murdered in Fallujah.

Anyone who would join the terrorists in condemning Americans over there has serious problems. Sticking up for that here is pointless. Try the Al Jazeera forums if they have any.

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BTW, Sorry about the Man Cave last night, though it turned out to be PFF. I never did take that swim in the pool.

"ma deuce says no truce"

That Kos blog quickly turned into something "all about them."

Democrats: Abandoning Allies, One Country at a Time.

are not coming from RS regulars.
Most of us are trying desperately to shut down the fools.
Please, give us a bit more credit.
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and I wondered why I have not seen many posts from JadedMara in the past. He registered a long time ago, but does he post much? and why choose this time to post?

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Molon Labe!

Trust me, I look at Redstate quite often over my significant other's shoulder.

c17wife - you're right, I know. It's still frustrating. I haven't seen it be this bad before.

If I remember correctly, we used to have zero tolerance on new posters doing this kind of thing.

Don't start that.

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that I have been a member over two years and can't remember many posts from this user. I found it odd that a long registered user, who does not post regularly, posts all of a sudden to criticize us. That was is what I thought at the time, and posted my thought.

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new people, claiming conservative values, but missing the most basic ones. All about rights, nothing about responsibilities.

Unfair. Unbalanced. Unmedicated. -- IMAO