Hmmm . . .
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I see that Wesley Clark is criticizing John McCain because he says that the Senator doesn't have any executive experience and that in wartime, he didn't command "a wartime squadron" or order "the bombs to fall."
One searches the news report in vain for any claims that Senator Clinton--who Clark initially supported--had executive experience, commanded "a wartime squadron" or was responsible for ordering "the bombs to fall." One searches in vain as well for similar observations concerning Senator Obama. Indeed, one cannot help but wonder why Wesley Clark would make the arguments he makes about Senator McCain, given that they apply with a hundred times more force--at least!--to Senator Obama.
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and Obama is no Reagan. . . .
http://samuelatgilgal.wordpress.com/2008/06/29/ronald-reagans-1964-speec...
Clark is no Burnside, Clark is no Shelton. Among fellow Generals, he was not well liked nor respected. I respect all that serve to an extent, but this guy was a poor General.
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All who serve gain respect.
It is possible, no matter how much one has earned, to lose respect.
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Dependence is Slavery.
From his speech to the democratic convention:
He's seen the flash of the tracers. He's lived the values of service and sacrifice. In the Navy, as a prosecutor, as a senator, he proved his physical courage under fire. And he's proved his moral courage too.
John Kerry fought a war, and I respect him for that. And he came home to fight a peace. And I respect him for that, too.
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John Kerry's combination of physical courage and moral values is my definition of what we need as Americans in our commander in chief. And John Edwards with his leadership and extraordinary intelligence, he's going to be a great member of that command team.
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John Kerry is a man who in time of war can lead us as a warrior, but in times of peace, he will heed the call of scripture to lead us in beating swords into plowshares.
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John Kerry will lead American with strength and wisdom. He has the will to fight. He has the moral courage born in battle to pursue and secure a strong peace. Under John Kerry, I have no doubt -- and neither should any American -- that we are going to attack and destroy the terrorist threat to America.
Wesley Clark sure ordered the bombs to fall...on the Chinese embassy in Belgrade.
Oops! Don't know if it's wise for him to open that particular can of worms.
I was about to post this and you all know that this is the Obama campaign tactic. We have now has Rockerfellar, Clark, and many other liberal organizations saying this.
I do like the McCain campaign response:
If Barack Obama's campaign wants to question John McCain's military service, that's their right," McCain spokesman Brian Rogers said after Clark's appearance Sunday. "But let's please drop the pretense that Barack Obama stands for a new type of politics. The reality is he's proving to be a typical politician who is willing to say anything to get elected, including allowing his campaign surrogates to demean and attack John McCain's military service record."
I would even have McCain camp get more blunt. While Obama was busy protesting while at Harvard McCain was actually serving his country insead of betraying it.
Although if you saw the goofy uniform McPeak designed for the Air Force, you could believe him an idiot. Of course one can't call Clark an idiot since he was first in his West Point class and a Rhodes Scholar. But while we're talking about presidential dis-qualifiers I think that those are pretty good reasons not to be POTUS.
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Clark may not be an idiot, but he sure is the typical liberal elitist.
Those who control energy, control society.
like Arianna Huffington he was right of center when that was popular, and now he is left of center. He probably dreams there was a third option so he could be that too.
"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle
among leftist crackpots who needed a "military man" on their team. No offense at all to my pal Jaded :)
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The point here is to attack what McCain presents as a strength.
This is similar to the Bush-Kerry election where Kerry was attacked for his lack of valor in service. It doesn't matter that Bush (as a wartime president) never went downrange himself while Kerry was a decorated veteran. The purpose of the attack is to blunt the point of what your opponent perceives as their strength.
It looks like some in the democratic party have learned from the past.
Bet you hugged yourself over the thought that you'd found a way to slide in the chickenhawk thing and get away with it, too. Tsk, tsk, tsk.
Ciao, militarist.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
... in the knowledge that their equally partisan friends in the media would not expose their hypocrisy.
"First you win the argument, then you win the vote." - MARGARET THATCHER.
So let's start winning the argument.
"Kerry was a decorated veteran."
Yeah, and he personaly submitted all the recommendations for award of those decorations. During his 4 months "downrange."
What a knight in shining armor.
Those who control energy, control society.
Then lets compare McCain's year of torture against those of Obama's days at Harvard protesting, burning American flags, and doing drugs.
Obama could not fit in McCain's jock strap
any relation to Mark Clark? That sterling leader of men who brought his Army to a screeching halt on the barely defended beaches of Anzio - in order to wait for German panzer divisions to arrive on the scene - and make it more of a fair fight.
Wes Clark overshot his peter principle the moment he graduated from the USMA (No.1 no less), ceased being a Cadet, and was commissioned a real live second lieutenant.
Dolt!
May I say: Democrat lick spittle Dolt?
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Isn't he the one they (I believe the British were involved, not sure who else) tried to assassinate when he had command in Europe because of his stupidity? I've never dug into the rumor but it's what I've always heard.
Those comments about Hillary's lack of executive are obviously false and should be retracted. She was in charge of several search teams looking for Bill when he would lay out all night with other women.
So Wesley Clark supports Obama because?..Obama has "Command Experience"? What has Obama commanded?
"That large squadron in the Navy that he (McCain)commanded — that wasn't a wartime squadron,” Clark said. That is more command experience than Obama had.
Obama's 8 years in the Senate compared to the 2 terms in the US House that John McCain has, plus 22 years in the Senate. Its not hard to see who has the most governmental experience. McCain has served our Country proudly and admirably. What has Obama EVER done?
I'd rather take McCain's experience than that of a NATO Commander who was fired for being incompetant.
Or the empty suit anti-messiah that he supports.
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was to be the title of my diary regarding this POS tactic.
Pejman saved me the energy.
I think we are quickly putting to bed the "new politician" meme.
As I've watched Obama over the past week, I have noticed a pattern. When McCain speaks, he talks of programs, policy opinion, solutions. We may not agree or like them, but you gotta admit, he is giving us something to judge him on. All I have heard out of Barack is this-
John McCain and George Bush have failed at (insert whatever he is speaking on). Blah, blah, blah.....No real policy, program, or solution. Just, I'm better because I'm me. Nothing new tone about that. Just more of the same tired politics.
As for Wesley Clark, the words that came out of his mouth basically demeaned every single commander, be they AF, Navy, Army, or Marine that has ever lead a squadron during peace time. To discredit someone's ability to manage people, resources, and promotions as being anything less than executive experience is just simply ridiculous. He should be ashamed of himself.
Wes Clark and Merrill McPeak are probably two of the least respected 4 stars in modern times. I'll hold up Ronald Fogelman or Duncan McNabb as my gold standard of a 4-star any day of the week. Those Obama surrogates, never.
Just a typical, small town, British-American girl...
All I have heard out of Barack is this-
John McCain and George Bush have failed at (insert whatever he is speaking on). Blah, blah, blah.....No real policy, program, or solution. Just, I'm better because I'm me. Nothing new tone about that. Just more of the same tired politics.
Racist. Show your support of Obama by changing your middle name to his.
Also, he has this nifty tattoo for your forehead or right hand.... something to show that you are... erm... his.
*evil grin*
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Dependence is Slavery.
*sigh*
Ok . . . ok . . . I will write 100 times "I will remember to make sure that I've made a point to hit the "Reply to This" before replying to a post."
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Also, he has this nifty tattoo for your forehead or right hand.... something to show that you are... erm... his.
Some kind of loyalty oath might not be that far in the future, especially if government gets to run the internet, with Google having a controlling interest.
Let them try.
My Loyalty is to God, The United States Constitution as a precious and NON-Living Document, Family and to all who fight for all of those I list.
My blood brothers (to steal a term from Ted Nugent) will one day be vilified. That's ok. We've been hated by better.
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so be it. It is just time for us to stand up and start calling it like it is.
Just a typical, small town, British-American girl...
I'll state for the record the c17wife is the only person on this blog of any gender who could ever say that I was acting like a spoilt child and have me realize she's right.
Contradict her for this at your peril, fellas, becase Spiked Pipes™ await the foolhardy.
Using the guy who deided to take out the Chinese Embassy in Belgrade during the Kosovo air campaign was an amusing gaffe.
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delusional, illogical minority, and rabidly promoted
by an unscrupulous mainstream media, which holds
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up a turd by the clean end.'
Obama has much executive experience -- if only he would own up to it.
He was hired by William Ayres to oversee the Annenberg Challenge, a non-profit foundation that has given out hundreds of millions of dollars to improve Chicago Schools. While there is little evidence that the money has actually improved a failing school system -- it was most certainly "executive experience."
Obama has also served with Ayres on the board of The Woods Fund, another charitable organization that has given away hundreds of thousands of dollars to, among other more worthy recipients, at least two terrorist organizations.
While all of this HAS to count as executive experience, Obama, for some reason does not talk much about it.
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His British deputy defused the situation after Clark almost started a confrontation with the Russian military.
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He is also amongst those that are not those that were known.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
A shameless self promoter and bandwagon jumper. He is the closest modern equivalent to George Armstrong Custer.
"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle
None for weaselly.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
for having gotten himself killed. The desire to avenge this "war hero" was the proximate cause of the US' desire to get its troops out of The South and end the federal occupation. G.A. Custer: Southern Hero.
In Vino Veritas
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
as his "stablemate" Judson "Kill Cavalry" Kilpatrick. Just as Grant didn't get his "Butcher" nickname from killing Confederate soldiers, Kilpatrick didn't get his from killing Confederate cavalry.
By the time Custer came to command, the CS Cavalry was a mere shadow of its former self and the US Cavalry was used largely as mounted infantry that mostly fought dismounted using the superior fire rate of its repeating weapons. Custer, and even moreso his lovely wife, was a shameless self promoter who essentially murdered his men at the Little Big Horn. He's the kind of General that Wes Clark could bond with.
In Vino Veritas
armed with repeating weapons during the Civil War or during the Indian Wars?
From what I remember reading, repeating rifles were not an item of issue during either period. Revolvers were an item of issue and each US Calvaryman carried one. However some CS Calvary units were known for carrying multiple revolvers into battle.
At the Battle of the Greasey Grass (Little Big Horn to most white eyes)the Cut-Throats (once again Souix to most white eyes) had the repeating rifles while the Seventh Calvary was armed with single shot breech rifles.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
was armed with repeating weapons, mostly Spencers. That's why Heth's Infantry had such a time with Buford's Cavalry on the first day at G'burg. Some of it was issue, but much was private provenance. The Q'master Corps really opposed repeating weapons due to the logistics of providing the ammunition. By the Indian Wars, the Army was more "regular" and the single shot breechloader was the standard. It was actually the Indians who made the most use of repeating weapons, the Winchester "Yellow Boy" being a favorite.
In Vino Veritas
at least was responsible for less men getting killed.
"Nothing works like freedom, Nothing succeeds like liberty"
Kyle
Harry Turtledove's portrayal of Custer in his alternative history of America from the Civil War beginning with "How Few Remain."
In Vino Veritas
To give Robert E Lee AK47s
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
How ironic that one of Turtledove's best sellers is one of his worst books.
And you know, I don't know that rapid fire weapons would have made that much difference in the Eastern Theater from '64. Lee's Army was falling apart from desertion and a collapse of will on the homefront. Lee extracted enormous casualties from the US as it was, and they managed to keep a growing army in the field, albeit mostly comprised of bounty men and immigrants fighting for the bonuses. Even with rapid fire weapons arrayed against them, they'd have probably withstood the "bloody arithmetic."
In Vino Veritas
Where Lee is offered the guns just before Gettysburg.
Turtledove I think well understands the greatness of Lee in the war and after.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
"Guns of The South," and it's been a long time. Turtledove is a truly good historian; the device of just changing one event to make an alternative history makes for some interesting stuff. You've read "How Few Remain?"
In Vino Veritas
I have missed his entire divided America timeline.
"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
you should give the first two or three a read; gets real repetive and banal after that. "How Few Remain," the first, is by far the best, but the next couple or three are pretty good. As I said, he's a very good historian, so he does little that strains credulity if you accept his premise about the one thing that he changes. In "How Few Remain," GO 181 doesn't fall into McClellan's hands, and the rest, as they say, is history.
In Vino Veritas
Jim Geraghty points out this is the SEVENTH democrat who has attacked McCain's war record in the last four month..
it is a concerted effort by the Obama scumbags to even the playing field by tearing down McCain's greatest asset. So much for that "new politics"- it was tossed under the bus right next to Jeremiah Wright..
"Small town folks get bitter after which they cling to guns or religion, or antipathy to people who aren't like them, or anti-immigrant sentiment"- Barack Carter Obama
I could be convinced she ordered that hit on the aspirin factory. ;-) She definitely had motive.
You may not be interested in war, but war is interested in you.
Clark has become the consumate standard issue party hack for the Democrats.