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"If we want to take this party back, and I think we can someday, let’s get to work." – Barry Goldwater

He has people that don't want to attack Obama under any circumstances. Its like playing pinball without being willing to bump the machine.

...all well and good, but will Sen. McCain respond as he has always to the other side of the aisle ("My good friend..."), or with the venom he has heretofore reserved only for his own Party?

Be nice to see the famous McCain Shiv deployed in a bi-partisan manner, for once and often. Either Demo opponent is a target-rich opportunity.

--furious

"I find your lack of faith disturbing." -- Darth Vader

McCain's camp is waiting for Obama to throw the first punch of the general election season?

I realize the lying about the 100 years statement should suffice here, but others are carrying that water for him.

I imagine the fiery McCain persona we've heard about will surface at the right time and place. I'd hate to see him mix it up now, while the Democrats are doing such a good job of mixing it up w/ each other. It'd be a distraction, and perhaps unite them.

McCain has already slapped BHO in a letter relating to senate business...I believe he hasn't forgotten who and what he's dealing with. John McCain is not a wimp, IMO. At the right time, on the right issue, he'll come out swinging.

Those who fight, our soldiers, train so that they will be able to fight & win if they have to. They don't "want" to go to war, & war is done as a last resort. As we've seen, the enemies of freedom target & use innocent civillians, & our soldiers know that & know that if fighting is necessary, innocents will be targeted by the enemy & used as shields.

They don't "love" war; however, though they may hate it they are the bery best at waging war & will use it when necessary to keep us safe from the enemy.

You sound like someone who is GLAD to help liberals beat the "warrior ethos" out of the troops who are fighting this war.

There is some underlying belief that what they are doing only results in evil. Well, it has to be fun using weapons of war to send our enemies to hell. It has to be celebrated, lest we create a generation of warriors that are shamed at their craft and are polluted with defeatist thinking.

Katie Bar the Door, sir.

... especially veterans.

Watching movies is no substitute.

PS: I don't see you lasting here.

Romney/Pace 2008

You'd better not be talking to me, sir. There IS a warrior ethos and it IS under siege in our military.

Human beings have adapted to the horrors of war by using humor, pranks, shouting, gallows humor, the rebel yell, etc. in order to get past the bad parts and make hay out of all the rest of it.

McCain is not able to talk openly about the parts of war that are satisfying--like bombing a target that has military significance and blowing it sky high while the enemy hops around angry and confused on the ground.

Katie Bar the Door, sir.

You're coming across as too abrasive, which is a bad idea in general; a worse one when you do it to Contributors (your list is currently two, which is two more than wise); and will be potentially terminal if you do it to a site moderator*.

I'm being nice about this, by the way.

Moe

*[Waving] Hi.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

Long time reader, have never really contributed here. Active commenter for many years. 40 years of organizing, raising money and being active in the Republican Party.

And--in the space of a day--I'm being threatened with this kind of thing?

My opinion of this site shrinks by the moment. There is obviously a "party line" that I'm not familiar with, even though I have (cough!) that 40 years of experience.

I guess I'll just have to go out of my way to, ahem, make quite certain, that, ummmm, nothing offends such a powerful person such as yourself.

Katie Bar the Door, sir.

you either suffer from severe reading comprehension difficulties, or have been reading some other site. If you ARE a long time reader, than you know EXACTLY why new posters are viewed with a certain amount of suspicion -- especially when their first post suggests that Sen McCain reveled in bombing targets in Vietnam.

AND, I might add, assuming that high and mighty "This is how new people are welcomed at Red State?" attitude, you are demonstrating the USUAL liberal concern troll characteristic, for which they have become so reviled.

The usual next sentence to come from one of them is, "I THOUGHT PEOPLE HERE WANTED SERIOUS DEBATE, BUT..." YATTA YATTA YATTA! [just in case that was going to be your NEXT posting]

You might end up one of our best and most impressive posters, in a few months or weeks. OR NOT! Judging by the first few gems, I put the over/under at two days max.

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When small men cast long shadows, it is a sign that the sun is setting on the Democrat Party

Yes, that's exactly what I am.

However, I'm not going anywhere. This is actually better organized than I thought.

You have great content here.

What's your point again? I'm 64 years old. Sorry if I'm not on the Internet 24x7 and hip to what you know. Are you hip to what I know?

Katie Bar the Door, sir.

And yes, I was talking to you.

Romney/Pace 2008

he's kind of a cross between Norman Bates and Wayne Rogers. Or was that Kathy Bates and Wayne Newton?

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When small men cast long shadows, it is a sign that the sun is setting on the Democrat Party

just signing up to post out of no where quite telling....you were an avid reader and yet today of all days you picked to say something....not when Fred Thompson posted here, not when Senator Vitter..not even when the WH was posting here to attempt to get traction on the amnesty bill.

Oh no it was today that a 40 year veteran of organizing and being active in the Republican Party picked to post when it was just a bunch of regulars posting....YEAH RIGHT...you sir have been outed for being full of BS.

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

it was the WhiteOut™ on the monitor. He's been commenting for years, but all that WhiteOut™ from corrections obscured that Login up in the corner.

He should do much better now.

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When small men cast long shadows, it is a sign that the sun is setting on the Democrat Party

Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion

Here you go:

http://www.outsidethebeltway.com/archives/2004/11/they_dont_make_em_like...
http://patterico.com/2005/05/25/professor-bainbridge-is-all-wet-on-the-f...
http://blogs.wsj.com/law/2007/06/28/ann-coulter-v-the-edwardses/
http://beldar.blogs.com/beldarblog/2004/09/what_weapon_was.html
http://www.wesleyjsmith.com/blog/2008/03/peta-and-porn.html
http://tigerhawk.blogspot.com/2006/09/annals-of-press-secretariat-no.htm...

Happy to oblige.

Shall I post pictures, too?

Katie Bar the Door, sir.

Shall we debate Kerry's malfeasance on the river?

I'll debate that subject to the ends of the Earth.

Go here and you'll see whether I'm a "concern troll."

http://beldar.blogs.com/beldarblog/2004/09/what_weapon_was.html

Yes, I'm the one who knows what they're talking about.

Katie Bar the Door, sir.

Active commenter for many years.

19 hours ='s many years, oh you must be talking about another place. Your comment does not actually say you have been active here for many years...

.45 Caliber Politics

participated more at Austin Bay and other sites.

I have always found more satisfaction sticking it to liberals on their turn than hanging around with those of my own ideological stripe--it's so much easier to stick it to them than it is to upbraid someone I am 99% in agreement with.

There seems to be quite a bit of snobbery here about the time that I have had this account.

Perhaps I'll sit quietly and allow all of you who are my betters to "school" me before I contribute.

Again, if this is where conservatism is going, I am going to go along for the ride and I am going to contribute, but I find it telling. Very telling.

Katie Bar the Door, sir.

pooping on the floor and then scurrying away like roaches. So we have a real bias towards time served.

Its reached a point where some presentation of bonafides is warranted.

Hang around write a blog entry or two and it goes away.

I won't request this again.

The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!

I withdraw my comments--I am clearly moving far ahead of myself.

My anger should be directed at those who have taken the warrior ethos from our military. There is a very telling moment in the life of a Republic when the warrior becomes reviled.

Does anyone else fear we are arriving at a moment where the warrior who keeps us safe is now reviled by more than half the population that couldn't/wouldn't take up arms to defend the country against its enemies?

Katie Bar the Door, sir.

when you say half the population. The Hate-America-First, vocal anti-War left is still a [very loud] minority, not nearly approaching half.

The MSM has done a wonderful job of obfuscating the facts so that the majority of the "Surviver" watching, ignorant American public has no idea what to think.

The vast majority of Americans still honor and revere our military -- and support them forever. They, however, are completely drowned out by the MSM/internet/academia left.

tours. He is a proud warrior, but he is deeply sorry about having had to kill people. He doesn't love war, but he loves his country and its honor and he does what he must to live up to the oath he has taken. You don't know what you are talking about, sir.

I am certain that he does hate war. Killing others for bloodsport takes a certain mindset that not many have. In fact, to get most people to actually kill requires a lot (ad infinitum) of training. Did he hate what he was doing? Yes, very likely. But he had to out of patriotic obligation. But war is not the worst thing to hate.

War is an ugly thing, but not the ugliest of things. The decayed and degraded state of moral and patriotic feeling which thinks that nothing is worth war is much worse. The person who has nothing for which he is willing to fight, nothing which is more important than his own personal safety, is a miserable creature and has no chance of being free unless made and kept so by the exertions of better men than himself.

John Stewart Mills

Erik

I doubt if any pilot loves being shot at. I know Hanoi's defenders always laid the AAA on thick.

lesterblog.blogspot.com

the fighter pilot and the bomber pilot. Two different missions, two completely separate delineations of duty--

McCain was clearly not a fighter pilot. He was a workaday bomber pilot who could have moved on. Instead, he transferred to the Oriskany and kept bombing the hell out of the North Vietnamese.

No question, he was brave. He had to have loved what he was doing to stick with it.

Why fear that? Why not celebrate that? Are we afraid he'll look too much like a man?

Katie Bar the Door, sir.

and in fact I will only say this and no more in this thread.

I think Norman wrote this in a way that could easily be taken poorly. However, I think a point can be made out of what he is saying. It should not be a surprise that some young men rush off to war with a sense of fear, excitement, dread, earnest, and pride all wrapped up together.

We know the last thing a pilot or troop is going to say on mission 1 is "God I hate this, I hate what I am doing". In fact, I know personally men that did the same thing McCain did, who were excited to fight for their country.

I would go as far to say free nations NEED young men who are proud, cocky, and fearless to join the point of the spear. Having said this, we all know, when the war ends, or drags on and on, the soldiers will have the greatest hatred of war. They suffer the pain first hand, they deal with the ravages in a way most will never know.

There is a dichotomy in that a professional soldier or airman will almost always tell you he wants to be the man at the front, that is what he trained for. Yet, he also knows that the sooner the war ends, the better, and peace is not only to be loved, but earned.

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Molon Labe!

reading his comments on some of his links, it appears that he totally lacks tact, (Neither you nor I would know anything about that, would we?) but is in fact, who he claims to be.

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Molon Labe!

Again, had I said merely "proud, cocky fearless" I think I would have avoided being the turd in the punchbowl tonight.

I also think that those members of the military who do speak out should be heard, not censored. There is advantage to having someone speak out about courage and honor, these are not meaningless things.

Katie Bar the Door, sir.