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Global Warming Alarmists
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If you missed this reader diary, you probably missed this column in the New York Times on global warming.
I'm a big believer in global warming. We know the sun has gotten hotter, so it makes sense to me that some of that heat would make it to the earth. Of course, I think the crap Al Gore peddles about anthropomorphic global warming is just, well, crap.
Whether you agree or disagree, I don't much care, but John Tierney makes a few points worth considering as we head into a new year of "Blame the Humans."
A year ago, British meteorologists made headlines predicting that the buildup of greenhouse gases would help make 2007 the hottest year on record. At year’s end, even though the British scientists reported the global temperature average was not a new record — it was actually lower than any year since 2001 — the BBC confidently proclaimed, “2007 Data Confirms Warming Trend.”When the Arctic sea ice last year hit the lowest level ever recorded by satellites, it was big news and heralded as a sign that the whole planet was warming. When the Antarctic sea ice last year reached the highest level ever recorded by satellites, it was pretty much ignored. A large part of Antarctica has been cooling recently, but most coverage of that continent has focused on one small part that has warmed.
When Hurricane Katrina flooded New Orleans in 2005, it was supposed to be a harbinger of the stormier world predicted by some climate modelers. When the next two hurricane seasons were fairly calm — by some measures, last season in the Northern Hemisphere was the calmest in three decades — the availability entrepreneurs changed the subject. Droughts in California and Australia became the new harbingers of climate change (never mind that a warmer planet is projected to have more, not less, precipitation over all).
The environmental wackos have, with the help of the drive by media, begun to compare a lot of us to holocaust deniers. They have decided to ignore the message and just attack the messengers.
While I'm freezing my patookie off today, I'll take comfort that this will be another year when they fail to advance their anti-capitalist agenda.
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Minus the Water Vapor
by Repair Man Jack
You'd freeze your buttocks off. Be very thankful for global warming. On days like today, it really comes in handy.
"If this ain't a mess, it'll do until one shows up." -Sheriff Bell, No Country For Old Men
Global Warming is a FACT*
by streetwise
*over the long, long, long, very long term:
Sorry, couldn't resist!
Today it is a....
by Wubbies World
...warm and balmy 11 degrees here, with a wind chill somewhere around -15 below zero.
I blame global warming.
Wubbies World, MSgt, USAF (Retired):
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with a few finer points.
1) the climate is changing every day and sometimes minute by minute
2) Where I sit in my office right now the Mega Shark used to swim
3) Yellowstone's mountains were created by receding ice 20K years ago.
If anyone can explain to me after just those 3 items how man is responsible for the changing earth when for sure the 2nd and 3rd items are before industrialization....I will listen but it better be good.
Freedom of Religion not Freedom from Religion
Could you imagine the drubbing he would take in caucuses as people go to vote with a windchill of -20
P.S. I have been saying this since November
if you want to play along
Has a feed of the temperature measurements from satellite
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Keep hope alive, Joliphant.
by docj
I'm starting to see "Draft Gore" bumper stickers appear on some of the tonier cars here in the People's Republic.
Keep. Hope! Alive!
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I'll be the one with the marker...
by blooch
...scribbling over that first "r" on the bumper sticker. Most likely a blue marker, since it's probably white letters on a blue field, with red stripes fluttering somewhere.
It amuses me how so many people think Gore will ever again submit to the will of the people in an election, when he can hector us from a Guffstream which flies at twice the speed of accountability.
Sea Ice Stats - Current
by MCM
Here's the current Sea Ice status in the Northern Hemisphere. Not great, mind you. But a giant bounce-back from earlier this year. And a story I haven't seen told. (If these don't link properly and someone can help, I'd appreciate it.) http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.jpg - that's the current Northern Hemisphere sea ice situation. No doubt, we're still 1 million sq. km down from the 1979-2000 mean, but that's 2 million sq. km UP since Nov. 07.
And here's the southern hemisphere stats. http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/current.365.south.jpg
Note that it's summer there, thus the dip. But in Antarctica we're still 2 million sq. km UP over the 1979-2000 mean.
So where does that leave us globally? Drum roll please.
http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IMAGES/global.daily.ice.area.wit...
1 million sq. km UP over the mean.
Again, the point isn't that there's no problem to be concerned about. These charts do show lower dips in the last few years than in previous years. But it is fascinating that we keep hearing how bad the sea ice problem is when we're actually ABOVE average right now. And that fact never seems to get mentioned.
Don't you know AGW makes glaciers NT
by Joliphant
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One of the many things that proves AGW
by hunter
is not science:
It cannot be falsified. No matter the observed effect, no matter how it conflicts with prior AGW predictions, the causation of everything is "AGW".
My bet
by hunter
is we will see ice observations showing that ice will start increasing year-to-year starting this year.
And it will be blamed on AGW.
Sunshine
by pliny
I notice your (1997) source on hotter sunlight said
Willson said that most researchers expect greenhouse gases to warm the planet by 3.6 degrees Fahrenheit in the next 100 years. Solar irradiance could add another 0.72 degrees F and ''that is not an insignificant number. It is smaller than the greenhouse effect, but it is not trivial,'' he said.
Matter of fact I seem to recall an exchange with you in early December to that effect.
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Oh good I see you have retracted all your arguments
by Joliphant
about regional vs global when I using charts of US temperature. I wont even bother to point out that I was using the continent of North America whereas you're using a province. Whats more its your most urban province and most subject to temp creep from the heat island effect.
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Well, the local perspective
by pliny
here is a bit warming dominated. But here is the bigger pic. Fifth warmest year ever globally, and in the top 10 for the US.
Ok pliny
by Joliphant
No volcanoes, no astronomical anomalies, no giant alien with a sunshade, CO2 has continued to be dumped into the environment, Just why wasn't it the warmest ?
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La Nina
by pliny
La Niña conditions developed during the latter half of 2007, and by the end of November, sea surface temperatures near the equator of the eastern Pacific were more than 3.6°F (2°C) below average. This La Niña event is likely to continue into early 2008, according to NOAA’s Climate Prediction Center.
But I don't understand
by Joliphant
The earth takes in sunlight. Its turned into infrared. CO2 traps the infrared increasing the temperature of the earth. As CO2 increases so does the temperature. All the hydrosphere does is redistribute where the heat is. Same with the atmosphere and to a lesser extent the lithosphere (the lithosphere also contributes heat but lets not go there).
So just how is a change in ocean current supposed to change the planetary heat balance. I am just not seeing it.
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Redistribution
by pliny
What you've said is right, up to the last bit. When something like La Nina stirs the ocean, it takes in a bit more heat from the atmosphere, temporarily cooling it. The heat doesn't go away, and El Nino comes along soon enough.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777
Well, we are around the trough of the 11-year solar cycle. Beats me why the British meteorologists would have predicted "warmest year ever", the theory isn't designed for predicting single-year fluctuations (much less the daily weather, which people here love to cite).
And we can debate whether some of the more specific predictions and suggested indicators are accurate. (I haven't been sold on the "stronger hurricanes" claim, and I think the regional forecasts, e.g. SW dryer, are still pretty sketchy). And we can certainly debate whether curbing emissions is a worthwhile response, or too expensive. But suggesting that the planet is not, in fact, getting warmer ...
Incidentally, I think the environmentalists erred in framing this as a moral problem rather than an economic one -- some people think that it's happening, but the proposed solutions are more expensive than the problem. They get backed into a corner because they're supposed to submit to the moral argument rather than debate the economic one. Some of them end up clinging to any shred of dissent in the scientific debate, because they fear that accepting the science means accepting the policy proscription.
peace,
lilnev
Theres a reason, They havent shown it will be bad
by Joliphant
Before you can make either the moral or economic argument you have to show that there will be a cost associated with it. All the historical evidence says otherwise. Me I am thinking a sea side villa in greenland would be nice ;-)
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I meant to reply to this
by lilnev
... but hit New Post instead. See below.
Pliny, stop trying to kid us
by hunter
Kid yourself if you want, but don't think you are pulling any wool over anyone's eyes.
You are either a mind-numbed robot AGW believer, or you are cynically trying to bs people here.
You have just had to ignore a long list of specific failed AGW predictions, as well as the exposing of the ice-is-melting lie, to re-promote a prediciton about 100 years from now.
What is this, a GOP primary thread?
by Moe Lane
Play nice, folks. :)
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC. I've been usurped!
What they actually said
by pliny
I'm not re-promoting anything - just quoting what the link for the warming sun story actually said.
No
by hunter
You are just regurgitating the one-sided, factually anemic pap of the AGW hypesters.
The IPCC, along with gore, are not credible.
The fact is that the weather is not significantly changing. The amount of temperature change alleged is nearly indistinguishable from random noise. The alleged cause - a rise in one of the most minor constituents of the atmosphere- is simply ridiculous. But that is ignored by the true beleivers, like pliny.
I wish it was true
by Gators1
then it wouldn't be 35 degrees in Florida!
Tell me about it
by SG Lominac
I live in FL too and I can't believe this cold. Owl Gore needs to make a low level pass over my house with his Gulfstream and warm things up.
What the hell is going on out here? - Vince Lombardi
That's a good point.
by lilnev
I agree, the costs (and potential benefits) of warming are very hard to predict. The few attempts that I've seen didn't strike me as particularly credible. In general, they don't account for human ingenuity in adapting. Rising sea levels? We'll build sea walls and/or move inland. Impacts on agriculture? We'll change what we plant where (I recently read about the nascent wine-making business in Canada). Spreading tropical diseases? Malaria used to be common in the US -- draining wetlands, windowscreens, and insecticides solved that problem nicely.
(On the other side, I think the likely costs of curbing emissions are also over-estimated, again because human ingenuity is under-estimated.)
Woops,
by lilnev
... this was supposed to be a reply to Joliphant upthread. Sorry.
Reality
by WSG
Not to get too academic on Y'all but....
Facts is Facts.
Weather is NOT- I repeat - NOT climate !!
It is NOT possible to takea weather event - Katrina, Artic ice melt in a given year, etc and say the "climate is changing."
Climate is weather over geologic time over large areas => usually a region or continent.
Climate is measured in centuries and millennia. Therefore it is necessary to have several thousand years data to have a baseline number and then much more data to get a trend line.
The Eco-socialists want to destroy free market economies and since they can not win with that agenda at the ballot the only way is to scare people into surrendering their taxes and freedom with "big lies" AGW, Alar, Acid Rain, DDT, etc.
CO2 is NOT a "pollutant." AS "green house gases" it is well down the list and the geologic record shows zero correlation to earth's past warming and cooling cycles.
The drive by media is occupied by J school grads who almost to person are folks who once you get past 'H2O is water' they are lost. Facts do not matter it is the agenda......
Those who deny
by 10ksnooker
The suns rule over Earth's climate, will freeze. Sunspot cycle 24 is late, and predictions are it will not arrive until 2010 -- And then will be weak. It's going to be cold for quite some time if these predictions are correct.
and some new ones did say in the 70's we were going to have an ice age.....they just got caught up in the Global Warming Religion...but give them a minute and they will be pulling up all those old stories in Time and NY Times and reprinting them.
I tell you come hell or high water ;-) those guys are going to get your money....they are quiet now...but they are thinking....and they will be baaaaaaack.
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I'm humbled
by simpson316
to have one of my diaries get a front page mention. Hopefully more will get this message that too many people are fearmongering when it comes to global warming.
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