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labreux said:

"....she knows what she said and it just gives fodder to the other side. At least we're showing them how to do the right thing and denounce what needs to be denounced.

Note to Ann: The joke wasn't even funny..."

Man, this sounds like the thought process of someone who hates. You're not showing liberal-leaning people anything they don't know how to do for themselves. What you're showing is that, if they don't agree with you about something, you still expect them to act in a way that pleases you. When they don't, you'll disparage them, impugn their character and label them to represent the lowest form of life in the country.

I've seen this behavior from rabid racists, klansmen and nazis. I never thought I'd see my countrymen, who only have the right and left philosophies separating them, say these things and act this way with their fellow citizens. It shames me to hear republicans talk about democrats as if they were criminals of the lowest form.

It pained me whenever Ms. Coulter would spew her hateful rhetoric, not because of what she said but how people accepted it as ideas worth getting behind. If no-one had accepted what she had to say in the first place, no-one would feel the need to disavow her now. I'm sure you may feel the same about people I tolerate, like Michael Moore, Al Sharpton et al.

But the important thing to remember is that we Americans have the right to FREE SPEECH. I don't like her, and there are others on both sides I would rather not hear from, ever. I respect their rights to say what they feel because I expect them to respect my right to do the same. And I often exercise the wisdom my parents taught me about things I don't like: IF YOU DON'T HAVE ANYTHING NICE TO SAY, KEEP YOUR MOUTH CLOSED. That reduces the probability that needless conflict will arise.

Being able to speak freely doesn't give us the right to eliminate any type of thought from the public forum, because doing so would strip our fellow citizens of their rights, and Americans have fought too hard to get where we are now to repeat what we know is wrong.

There is no other side, if by other side you mean enemy. There's just me and you, and we just disagree.

"labreux said"

no, lafleur said. sorry...

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I'm not interested in giving Hannity the ratings tonight with her as a guest. And to absentee: Coulter has the right to say whatever she wants when she's invited to speak, but she can't dictate that we'll like it, or that we'll invite her back. She embarrassed a lot of people, and she made my personal [defecation] list by saying it on live television, at the closing of a speech where people are customarily supposed to applaud, after being introduced by my preferred candidate.

And as others have pointed out, the joke wasn't even funny. If you're going to engage in smashmouth insult humor, people had better laugh, not wince.

I didn't even know Hannity had a new show.

But I will place a bet now. She is going to say that some people need to grow a pair.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
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Look for a plug for SideShow Ann's D'Jam Comedy

Featuring the Comedy stylings of John F'n Kerry, SideShow Ann and Michael Savage?

I hear Michael Richards might make a guest appearance.

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Please not I am not calling for you to be banned or Shunned or have anything punitive done.

I will note there is a difference between her shtick and yours, HERS IS FUNNY

Or as the man who taught me to box said, Take the hits on your gloves not the chin and counterpunch.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
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For one so outraged by name calling don't you think you've thrown around sideshow quite enough? I realize you are hoping it will stick and you'll be immortal, but the moment has come and gone.

After all, you don't want to sound "hateful" do you? Isn't that the crime that you all think Ann should be executed for? "Hate"?

absentee

Having grown up in the same patch as President Bush, let me tell you it's a Southern Thing to hang a moniker on people.

SideShow Ann it will be for a while..hateful, no, descriptive of how she acts, YES like she's running her own SideShow where only SideShow Ann is the act that counts.

If I wanted to be hateful, well there are plenty of comments that relate to her physical appearance that could be made, now that would be hateful and wrong.

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I'm from the south too. You're just rationalizing that it's ok for YOU to make fun of Ann, but not for Ann to make fun of others. Happens at redstate all the time I'm sorry to say.

absentee

The healing, gentle blog you deride made the point very clearly: Coulter has created a PR mess that other people have to clean up.

And, as for this criticism of GOP leaders not being willing to defend themselves in public--excuse me, but who empowered Ann Coulter to decide which battles conservative leaders and GOP Presidential candidates need to fight? Why should Rudy and Mitt and John McCain have to deal with what she said? Now, they have to, because Ann chose to...well, be Ann.

I feel no imperative to defend people who throw rhetorical wordbombs around with no concern for the collateral damage they cause. She used CPAC. She is no heroine.

"Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?" (Macaulay)

"Ann Coulter does not speak for me. Period."

By my count, that comment took four seconds. If John and Rudy are smart enough to be President, surely they are smart enough to handle this. Geez.

From what I am seeing, it looks like her comment about rehab is dead on. We are letting Dems get away with murder, while at the same time allowing them to goad us into cannibalism.

From what I am seeing, it looks like her comment about rehab is dead on. We are letting Dems get away with murder, while at the same time allowing them to goad us into cannibalism.

Now THERE is a tour de force of overstatement and hyperventilation. "Cannibalism"? Jeez...

If the conservative movement can be laid waste by a dispute over how to deal with Ann Coulter, then we're not much of a movement.

Ann Coulter is no Joan of Arc. Why are so many of y'all making such an overwrought defense of her comments at CPAC?

"Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?" (Macaulay)

publicize. Our side should CHOOSE to publicize that Dems appease enemies that are killing Americans and invite the candidates to comment on that and create a PR mess for the Left for a change.

Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
"One man with courage makes a majority." - Andrew Jackson

Our side should CHOOSE to publicize that Dems appease enemies that are killing Americans and invite the candidates to comment on that and create a PR mess for the Left for a change.

Hey, sounds good to me. Now, how do conservatives "create a PR mess" that is guaranteed to entangle the Left? Seems to me that the MSM can simply avoid any PR mess by ignoring whatever controversy we hope to create.

You make it sound so easy. Ken Mehlman snaps his fingers, and VOILA! Instant PR Debacle For The Left! Howard Dean embattled! DNC spokesmen under assault from the press! (Boy, why didn't we think of it earlier?)

One of the reasons so many of us are mad at Ann Coulter: she GAVE the MSM the story they wanted. She gave them a story they could pursue with vigor and passion, and made conservatives look bad. Now, the MSM doesn't have to write about the many positive things that happened at CPAC--they can write about Ann instead. Sorry, CPAC.

"Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?" (Macaulay)

gamecock said:

"Our side should CHOOSE to publicize that Dems appease enemies that are killing Americans"

Well, it would help your case if this were true. Seems to be it's GWB that shied away from pursuing Osama bin Ladin, brought a consummate liar/traitor in to develop Iraq policy, et cetera.

Democrats are saying to GWB that Iraqis must defend their country. The US has taught them how to, it is time for the apprenticeship to be over.

>>>>brought a consummate liar/traitor in to develop Iraq policy

Oh really, have you got proof of that accusation?

Kyoto Now! (Because only pollution from the US hurts the planet)

Let's move right on to the Pointy Sticks™ and away from the attempted threadjack...

Seems to be it's GWB that shied away from pursuing Osama bin Ladin

1) Well, sez you.
2) Ah, so you endorse the invasion of Pakistan? Gee, that's swell.
3) Careful with that Talking Point™, wharton. It could go off at any second.

brought a consummate liar/traitor in to develop Iraq policy,

What .cnI redruM said.

Democrats are saying to GWB that Iraqis must defend their country.

Translation - they stand up, we stand down. Now where have I heard that before...

The US has taught them how to

And the lesson continues ...

it is time for the apprenticeship to be over.

Again, sez you. I'm sorry that the Iraqis are taxing your patience - I'm sure that will be more effective at getting them moving faster than have been the suicide bombers and death squads. Yep, that'll work!

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So libs, how's that Congressional Resolution to end The War™ coming along?

Including yourself, and including me. If you don't want to recognize that she did, feel free to go on living in that world, but it's not reality. Her comment had nothing to do with any of our candidates or their status as "issue pacifists" whatever the heck that means. It was a cheap and tawdry bad-taste, unfunny joke tossed in at the end of a speech because she couldn't think of anything else to say.

Anyone who has ever done any public speaking realizes that when you've reached the end of the speech and are running out of gas, the last thing you do is go for the big, stupid finish. You wind it down, take a bow, and say something to graciously exit the stage. Coulter is supposed to be a professional, that's why people pay her the big bucks -- not to have her remarks blow up in their faces on live television.

...Ann did not help at all with the political dialogue between me and my fiscal-conservative lesbian sister. It's clear to me Ann has no close gay friends or family--or she doesn't anymore.

If the crap that Dems say about us doesn't stick to them, then what Coulter says damn sure doesn't stick to me.

Why don't we invite Howard Dean over to tell us what to do? My point is that we are in a complete state of panic over an opinion that a woman of legal age has expressed. I really don't give a crap about whose side she is on. Until Jesse apologizes for "hymietown", I think I'll pass on piling on Coulter.

FYI - "Issue Pacifist" - one who is unwilling to participate in a fight in the arena of ideas.

I'd prefer that word not be used at RedState.

to the "f" word, as if...

Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
"One man with courage makes a majority." - Andrew Jackson

GC

I think you're alluding to the famous "G**k" comment, McCain was wrong there, apologized and moved on. It's also kind of hard for me to come down on a guy who spent what 7 years as a guest of Club Hanoi Hilton, to still bear a few grudges and a few scars. But that's me and I grew up around the military in that era.

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armchair cinc-ing for 3 years that has emboldened the enemy.

Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
"One man with courage makes a majority." - Andrew Jackson

gc

My mistake, I thought you were commenting on Big John's previous bout of "Open mouth, insert foot", as it seems I have.

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Dennis Miller for President...no more wimps!

Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
"One man with courage makes a majority." - Andrew Jackson

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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
"One man with courage makes a majority." - Andrew Jackson

gc

That's the thing isn't it. SideShow Ann and her supporters seem to think the underlying incident was PC run amok. It wasn't really, it was a very large legal exposure for ABC for allowing one of it's employees to create a hostile work place, at least out here in CA.

On top of that, it was really bad for PR of ABC to have that stuff in the media and not being seen to having done anything about it. Lots of Gay groups might have even started boycotts and other really bad things if ABC had not done something, not to mention the damage to a product they are producing.

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Dennis Miller for President...no more wimps!

Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
"One man with courage makes a majority." - Andrew Jackson

Any legal liability is in itself a creature of political correctness.

...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...

---Thomas Paine---

a lawyer and a company owner with half a ball.

Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
"One man with courage makes a majority." - Andrew Jackson

at his Iraq the Model web site:

"Other law enforcement officials are also getting more serious in doing their job. Traffic cops who would normally stop a suspicious vehicle only if it passed by their post are now riding their motorbikes and chasing suspected vehicles down highways and other streets.

This is an indication that Imposing Law does not mean only sending soldiers to kill terrorists. It is reaching out to deal with other aspects of mess and to counter relatively “benign” violations-like breaking the “odd and even” traffic rule, defensive irregular roadblocks and unlicensed kiosks and stalls-by providing protection for the personnel of civilian departments while they do their job."

hmmm, this sounds a lot like the Rudy "broken glass" program that was used very effectively to clean up New York City. Isn't it a shame GC that so many people want to whine about Coulter instead of discuss the important news of the day?

You’re a persistent cuss, pilgrim.
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Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
"One man with courage makes a majority." - Andrew Jackson

http://www.redstate.com/blogs/pilgrim/2007/mar/04/we_interrupt_coulter_b...

You’re a persistent cuss, pilgrim.
John Wayne to Jimmy Stewart in The Man Who Shot Liberty Valance

Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
"One man with courage makes a majority." - Andrew Jackson

While I can't disagree with the substance, let's avoid not-really-disguised profanity. I'm not fooled, readers aren't fooled, and, if that doesn't stop you or me, content filters aren't fooled.

We run a family-friendly web site, friend.

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Jeepers. I am only just realizing how far this PC stuff has gone. I honestly can't tell whether JG is being facetious or not. At first read it seems obvious, but then it occurs to me that things have gone so far that some people might actually think it's OK to make fun of effeminate men, as long as they're not gay. Or that it's OK to use a word that 90% of the world considers vulgar as long as you don't use one that 3% of people consider a setback to their political agenda.

Say it ain't so, Joe.

(Now I know why people use the little smiley emoticon thingy in email. On the Internet no one can tell you're ironic.)

Rebop, Jack Savage, and gamecock are exactly right ENOUGH already!!!

Grow up fellow CONSERVATIVES/moderates, the LOONY LEFT is NOT going to like you NO matter how PC and sweet you smile at them. Get over it.
And if the (other) F-word bothers conservatives too, SO WHAT!! Just as the loony left can spew bile, with NO apologies so can anyone else including Ann. The whole f'n internet should go to REHAB over the (other) F-word!!!
As far as I am concerned Ann spoke for ME!! It had nothing to do about hate, it has to do about PC horses**t and wanting people to be nice. GROW UP...it ain't gonna happen.

>>I do not know what Ann said, nor do I care, but I am truly disgusted by this embrace of political correctness by self-declared Conservatives. You all remember Conservatism right? Adoration and respect for the Constitution to the point of religious zeal. It also includes a belief in individualism (not mindless lock-step political correctness), etc., etc.<<

What Ann Coulter did was wrong, period. Calling people derogatory names is of course protected by the First Amendment, but it is still wrong.

This is not a conservative-vs-liberal fight. This is about childish, unattractive, unhelpful behavior that should be condemned -- as the candidates have condemned it --regardless of the political persuasion of the speaker.

What this woman did was not smart, not helpful, not defensible. It is not being "politically correct" to criticize this bad behavior.

...since no one is suggesting jailing her or denying her the right to spout her stupidity.

The first amendment says you can SAY what you like, but doesn't guarentee you a right to be loved or supported for doing so.

Think of it as the free market of ideas.

Good ones are supported.

Bad ones are left on the trash pile.

If you really believed that you wouldn't be calling for action against her personally.
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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

None.

She's a cypher.

She's not very smart.

She did damage.

But I've called for anything to be done to her.

Nor to you, who shares her views on speech.

You are FREE (as in the 1st amendment) to say whatever you like.

How people feel about you, based on that speech... that's on a case by case basis.

'Nuff said.

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"Those who expect to reap the blessings of freedom must, like men, undergo the fatigue of supporting it."
-Thomas Paine: The American Crisis, No. 4, 1777

I never mentioned the first amendment. I was alluding to the both politically correct and false notion that we have a constitutional right to not be offended.

...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...

---Thomas Paine---

It is if the motivation behind the criticism is political correctness. If it is criticism in response to “…childish, unattractive, unhelpful behavior…” then why this example of “…childish, unattractive, unhelpful behavior…” It seems to me that almost everyday one or more politicians or pundits says or does something “…childish, unattractive, or unhelpful…” Why then fill Conservative media with talk of this and only this all day? The only answer that I can conceive of, originates in how this incident is different from the run of the mill “…childish, unattractive, unhelpful behavior…” of politicians and pundits. This incident with Ann is politically incorrect that is how it is different and that is where the criticism of it originates.

...a long habit of not thinking a thing wrong, gives it a superficial appearance of being right...

---Thomas Paine---

Mike Gamecock DeVine @ The Charlotte Observer
"One man with courage makes a majority." - Andrew Jackson