The Sunday Morning Talk Shows - The Review
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Sunday, October 15, 2006

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice was first up on FOX News Sunday, and she explained that we have made progress against the Axis of Evil, despite Iran and NK pursuing nukes actively, because we have removed Saddam Hussein united the world against Iran and North Korea. JF Kerry told Chris Wallace that we should jawbone one-on-one with Pyongyang because it worked for President Reagan with Mikhail Gorbachev.
On MTP an TW, Ambassador John Bolton refuted allegations in the WashPost that the recently passed UNSC Resolution against North Korea was meaningless because the PRC was going to ignore it.
On TW, Congressman Harold Ford defended taping campaign commercials in church and distributing the Ten Commandments on campaign literature. Bob Corker said he was the one who best represents Tennessee values. Ford says he's never partied at the Playboy Mansion.
On MTP, Minnesota Republican Senate candidate Mark Kennedy told Russert that we can't "play rewind with reality" and enter his hypothetical world where the CIA decides before the vote to go to war that Iraq has no WMD. Amy Klobuchar, the DFL candidate, wants the Senate to authorize the Joint Chiefs of Staff to overrule the President (Commander-in-chief) on the Iraq war.
On FTN, the New York Times' David Sanger insisted that the United States blew its best chance to attack North Korea before we went into Iraq. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice told him that we wanted to handle this diplomatically and we had to "build a coalition which had just the right amounts of sticks and carrots."
Also on FTN, John Warner said that the PRC wanted world clout, and "this is there test": how they handle the resolution and border searches. Sam Nunn said that North Korea had built its nuclear program because they are paranoid, afraid we are going to attack them.
On LE, Blitzer offered Bolton the opportunity to retract his comparison of North Korea's hissy fit, stomping out of the U.N., with Soviet dictator Nikita Khrushchev's shoe pounding incident at the U.N. in 1960. Bolton would not and seemed amuse that Blitzer would seriously insist that he retract it.
Also on LE, Carl Levin noted of Iraq: "If they're going to have a civil war, they'll have to do it without us." Chuck Hagel agreed with Levin on every point but was tricked by a clever Blitzer into admitting he was a Republican. He did hint, however, that he though a Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman Carl Levin could help remove politics from the equation of the Iraq war.
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SECRETARY RICE ON FNS. Chris Wallace's first guest on FOX News Sunday this morning was Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. They started with the sanctions, which he said stopped short of threatening military intervention and did not contained the Japan-backed sweeping trade restrictions: "Do you really think that preventing Kim Jung Il from getting his cognac is going to stop his nuclear ambitions?"
She replied that this regime likes luxury for itself while starving its people, so this probably "got their attention." She said it was bigger than that, though, as it showed that the world was united against North Korea. It also leaves open the option of NK rejoining the six-party-talks and implemented the 2005 Joint Statement.
Wallace pointed out that the PRC was not going to run border inspections on its border with North Korea. Rice explained that this was a "remarkable unity" and some of the details have to be worked out. She added that the PRC agreed to the resolution, so she's sure that they will enforce it. "This is the toughest action that China as ever signed onto" with regards to North Korea.
Wallace asked if the US would be willing to from a "coalition of the willing," outside the UN, to "interdict all shipments in and out of North Korea." Rice is going to the region to work on enforcing the Chapter 7 resolution with which we are satisfied. She said that we may need to take "other steps," depending on "North Korea's behavior."
The picture and the audio were breaking up, and Wallace cut to a commercial.
Coming back, Wallace played the clip of the 2002 State of the Union speech, the "Axis of Evil." He said Iraq had no WMD and North Korea and Iran were building nukes apace. Hasn't Bush failed? Rice answered that the world thought Iraq had WMD and Iraq had used WMD in the past. "Iraq is not a WMD threat." Iran, she said, was under international pressure to knock it off. It is multi-lateral. With NK, which has been pursuing nukes since maybe the 1960s, we have a "coalition of State" pressuring them.
Compared to 2002, Wallace insisted, Iran and North Korea had become more dangerous. Rice countered that having the PRC, Russia, and the whole world united against Iran and NK has somehow made us less successful against the Axis of Evil.
WALLACE AND JOHN KERRY, REPORTING FOR DUTY. Wallace's next guest was an irrelevant has-been, Senator John Kerry of Massachusetts. He went straight to Kerry, in studio, after disconnecting with Secretary Rice.
Kerry said that North Korea was a "renegade nation." He thinks the Administration is "living in a world of make-believe, Fred." He said the United States has lost its credibility and leverage because or Iraq, so we're having trouble with Iran and North Korea because we cannot bring countries together in the way that we used to. "This Administration... is allowing North Korea to get away with doing what it's doing." The sanctions are not tough and bold. He said that the PRC would refuse to enforce the border because "it's too dangerous for [the] region."
What would he do differently? He said he'd do what he's said he would do for the last five years: "Engage in bilateral, face-to-face negotiations with North Korea." This leads me personally on wonder if he would "jawbone them," as he promised he would do to the Arabs if they didn't cut gas prices back in 2004. He would make it clear to North Korea that "we are not intending to invade and have a regime change." And he would work on the "entire set of issues which have been outstanding since the armistice with the North." (The armistice was signed on July 27, 1953.) In other words, Kerry wants us to tell the North Koreans that they've done nothing wrong and we want to make up for the bad things we've done over the past 53 years.)
Wallace played a clip from Kerry's 2004 campaign where he said we had to build alliances, "not go-it-alone." He asked him if it weren't still the best course to go multi-lateral instead of bilateral. John Kerry answered that just like President Reagan would negotiate one-on-one with the Soviet Union, so we should negotiate with North Korea. The man stuns me. He wants to retreat into Cold War tactics when there is no enemy like the Soviet Union had been. Besides the obvious geopolitical differences, look at the leaders. Soviet dictator Mikhail Gorbachev was arguably sander than is North Korean totalitarian Kim Jung Il.
Sorry. There's nothing to be gained from this drivel.
JOHN BOLTON ON MTP & TW. U.N. Ambassador John Bolton was first up on both NBC's Meet the Press and ABC's This Week. Russert quoted from a Washington Post piece describing the recently passed sanctions against North Korea as "water[ed] down" and charging that the PRC ("China") would selectively enforce them, ignoring the part about border inspections. On MTP, Bolton said that the resolution was "under Chapter 7," thus the PRC had to abide by it. On TW, he pointed out that the PRC had voted for the sanctions and has an obligation to enforce it. They can inspect on the border as they wish, he said, and we will see what the PRC does. (This seemed to indicate that Bolton thinks the PRC's public statements were for show and that they will go along with the resolution.) He said to Steph: "I can't believe you're saying the China won't enforce the measure." Steph pleaded that he was only reading the WashPost.
Bolton added that Pyongyang's nuclear test "has to be humiliating" to the PRC.
On MTP, where Russert wanted to underscore his notion that the President wants to invade everything, Bolton told Russert that the President wants a "peaceful and diplomatic solution," and that the "choice is in North Korea's hands." Russert wanted Bolton to pledge "retaliation" if Pyongyang sells nuclear material. Bolton said that we'll protect ourselves (without the UN), but with the UN, "we're trying to get North Korea to see reason." Impossible, but so like the United Nations.
On TW, Bolton stressed "multi-lateral diplomacy."
On MTP, Russert asked: "Will North Korea have a nuclear bomb when George Bush leaves office?" Bolton said that we'll "ratchet up the pressure" and "increase North Korea's isolation."
FORD AND CORKER ON TAPE ON TW. Steph did another of his skits where he interviews both candidates in a Senate race and rolls the tape. This time, he talked to Harold Ford and Bob Corker in Tennessee. Ford said that he filmed an ad in a church and printed the Ten Commandments on campaign literature because he knows "the difference between right and wrong." He grew up in a church, he said, and though he's flawed, he derives strength from someone Who is not. He wants to reduce abortions after the first three months and faulted the Republicans for doing nothing on this. Steph mentioned the Partial Birth Abortion ban, which Ford initially voted against, and Ford said that he's seen the light and realized it was wrong. (If it works for Romney...) Ford loves his family, he says, but is not a part of the corruption. And, he says, he's never partied at the Playboy Mansion.
Corker pointed out that Ford has been a politician from birth, and his voting record differs from his campaign rhetoric. His race with Ford, he says, is about "sending to Washington someone shaped by Tennessee values."
KENNEDY VS. KLOBUCHAR ON MTP. Republican Congressman Mark Kennedy sat next to his opponent, Amy Klobuchar of Minnesota's Democratic-Farmer-Labor (DFL) party. They're running for the U.S. Senate, and Russert talked to them about... Iraq.
First a little Pyongyang. Russert wanted Kennedy to say that the "Bush policy" would be a failure if he leaves office with Pyongyang possessing a nuclear device. Klobuchar said that we have to "keep ratcheting things up," which is the Bush policy. She did argue that we have to speak directly to North Korea like when we spoke directly to "Russia" during the Cold War. I'm not certain how she can equate the two geopolitical situations, so it is doubtful that she knows what she's saying.
Russert quoted Kennedy as saying, in 2003, that we were making progress in Iraq. "That's just dead wrong," Russert stated. Kennedy responded that it was right at the time. Russert accused him of wearing "rose-colored glasses," as we are not at all making great strides in Iraq. Kennedy responded that every time he goes back to Iraq, they are further along in the process of assuming control of their country, more troops trained, etc.
Russert asked his favorite GOTCHA question, the asinine hypothetical: If the CIA had told you then that there were no WMD in Iraq, would you have voted to invade? Kennedy told Russert: "You can't play rewind in the real world." He added that everyone believed that Saddam possessed WMD.
Klobuchar declared it a "civil war" in Iraq and pushed for a political and diplomatic solution. Russert pointed to a Kennedy statement last year in which the Congressman predicted that a "significant number of troops" would be home by the end of this year. "You were WRONG."
Klobuchar said that she wanted the Senate to authorize the Joint Chiefs of Staff to overrule the President with regards to the number of troops in Iraq. She wants them to draw up a plan to bring the troops home. "This is a civil war!"
CONDI RICE ON FTN, , Bob Schieffer opened Face the Nation on CBS by interviewing Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice. Schieffer outlined the sanctions and asked Rice: "How will this be enforced?" She said that it was under Chapter 7 and was a 15-0 vote. "It will be enforced because members are under obligation to enforce it." She said that they would set up a committee to "iron things out" and work on the sanctions.
Schieffer wanted to know if the U.S. would board ships going to and from North Korea. Rice said we had to work out the details.
Then along came David Sanger of the New York Times, who said that the PRC has said that they would ignore the resolution. Rice told him that the PRC is bound by the resolution and will "undoubtedly carry out its responsibilities." Sanger averred that the United States blew its last chance to attack North Korea right before we invaded Iraq. Rice said that this was best handled diplomatically; we had to "build a coalition which had just the right amounts of sticks and carrots."
Schieffer asked what we do if North Korea declares war on us. The Secretary responded that Pyongyang "says a lot of things," and that there problem was with the world, not with the United States alone.
WARNER AND NUNN ON FTN. With David Sanger of the New York Times along to help ask questions, Schieffer chatted with Senate Armed Services Committee Chairman John Warner (R-Georgia) and former Senator Same Nunn (D-Georgia), currently Ted Turner's partner in something called the Nuclear Threat Initiative.
First Warner, who pointed out that the PRC is seeking world clout: "This is their test." He thinks we should move from a strategy of non-proliferation to one of deterrence, and we should get the world involved.
Nunn thinks the sanctions are "timely" and the unanimous UNSC agreement is "very important" and "sends a strong signal." He wants to get rid of all nuclear weapons on the Korean peninsula, which is probably why Turner is paying him. He said that North Korea is important. He agrees with strong sanctions and we have to reassure Japan and South Korea that we'll take care of them.
Schieffer suggested that we sign a treaty with North Korea promising that we won't attack them. Nunn called them "paranoid" and afraid that we will attack them. This is why they're building their nuclear program, he said: to protect themselves from us.
Schieffer asked if the PRC will have to enforce their border with North Korea. Warner observed that a "chain is only as strong as its weakest link."
Warner stood buy his statement that "we're going sideways" in Iraq, not forward or back. He said that we're trying to take a "conventional-type military thinking" and apply it to an insurgency.
Sanger asked him what is the middle course between "stay the course" and "cut and run." Warner stressed that we can't let Iraq's oil supply become a "cash cow for international terrorism." Nunn pointed out that the "Baker-Hamilton report," when it is released, will be "very important." From the outside, Nunn said, it appears to him that a phased withdrawal negotiated with the Iraqi government is the way to go He said that now, with the Shi'ites involved, this has become a regional conflict, not just an Iraqi one.
BOLTON ON LE. Blitzer called it "the escalating crisis with North Korea," and he asked Ambassador John Bolton if this resolution precludes the use of force. Bolton said that this resolution was to impose sanctions. Military force was not now a part of the equation. He explained to Wolf that the resolution neither increases nor deceases current interdictions "on the high seas."
Blitzer played a clip of PRC Ambassador Wang Guangya saying that it would not per se run border inspections. Bolton replied that the PRC had voted for the resolution and it is binding. "The burden is on China to comply with the resolution," Bolton reminded. He does not think they'd vote for it then say they wouldn't enforce it.
Wolf quoted the Russian foreign minister as saying that sanctions would disappear if they returned to the six-party talks. Bolton pointed out that the resolution left that option open. Blitzer said that there was a rift. Bolton pointed out that Russia had "voted for that paragraph, too."
Blitzer asked Bolton if he wanted to revise his statement that North Korea stomping out of the U.N. was like Khrushchev banging his shoe on a U.N. table in 1960. Bolton said that they were the same kind of statement.
Blitzer: "Then you don't want to retract or amend that?"
Bolton: "No."
John Bolton smiled a little in amusement.
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Bolton then played vid Pak Gil Yon, Pyongyang's ambassador to the U.N., rejected the resolution from his seat. Bolton pointed out that he had called the UNSC "gangster-like" and accused the U.S. of bullying everyone else into accepting the resolution. He said that he hoped the ambassador's speech does not reflect the "considered response" of Pyongyang. Blitzer played another clip of the ambassador, this one showing him threatening "counter measures" and "war." Bolton said that he hopes this was just "rhetoric."
Blitzer played a clip of Hillary blaming the President's "failed policy" for our problems with North Korea. Bolton turned down the opportunity to refute it directly, but he pointed out that President Bush had to deal with the realities forced upon the world by the failed 1994 agreement, which North Korea violated "before the ink was dry."
HAGEL AND LEVIN. Blitzer next spoke to Carl Levin, who found fault with "just about everything" John Bolton had said. He called the resolution weak. He suggested that Bolton had said that we had met one-on-one with North Korea after the President insisted that we wouldn't. Levin wants to meet one-on-one with NK.
Chuck Hagel was next. He called the UN resolution weak and said that we have to negotiate one-on-one with NK. Sanctions won't work, he said. Although the six-party talks are important, "we are the great power, we are the adult power" and have to have a "bilateral conversation" with them. He dismissed the talks mentioned by Bolton as "side talks" which were only part of the six-party talks.
He agreed with James Baker, that "we must engage our enemies."
He played John McCain pointing out that Clinton's one-on-one talks with NK were rewards to the North Koreans and made matters worse. Levin argued that Clinton was partially successful, saying that Clinton moved them from Plutonium to Uranium, and he said Colin Powell liked the Clinton strategy.
Blitzer asked Hagel if he blamed Bush for the crisis. Hagel said that we should put this all behind us, as it is too important "to be held captivate to politics." He praised Clinton's efforts but allowed that North Korea cheated a little.
He wants to build on success and be bipartisan.
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Levin agrees with British Army General Richard Dannatt whom Levin insists thinks we have to cut and run because our troops are making things worse. He said that the British generals know best "because they've been to war." (For General Dannatt's explanation of what he actually mean, see this article in the San Francisco Chronicle.) On Iraq, he noted: "If they're going to have a civil war, they have to do it without us."
Blitzer played a clip of John Warner, who was in Iraq with Levin, saying that if Iraq doesn't change in the next few months, violence reduced, we will have to look for a way to get out. Hagel agrees with what Warner said, which he thinks is what Levin said. Hagel pointed out that our U.N. mandate is up by the end of the year. He said that the Middle East was in worse shape than at any time since 1948.
Levin said that "we're on a downward spiral in Iraq. We're not succeeding in Iraq." He said that we have to pressure the Iraqis "to make those difficult decisions and compromises."
Blitzer accused Hagel of being a Republican and insisted that his party was in deep trouble because a CNN poll does not approve of Iraq or the President's handling thereof, and they also think BushLied™. Hagel has to be deeply concerned, Blitzer insisted.
Hagel said that the Republicans are accountable. He hopes that the Republicans win enough seats to stay in the majority, but he agrees with the people. If the people don't trust the Republicans, they should be in the minority. He hinted that with Carl Levin as chairman of the Senate Armed Services Committee, the country could start to come together and find a solution.
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Have at it.
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I do not, per se, exclude either McLaughlin Group or Matthews's Sunday show; rather, it's the three broadcast and two cable networks. The standards.
That being said, if anyone would like to cover the other shows, you could do it in a diary which I would promote on RedHot.
however, next weekend is tied up with a kayaking trip (although i still may be able to squeeze it in; we'll see).
thanks again for the fine job you do.
Please let me know when you can do it, if you do, so I can be sure to include it in the preview and know to look for it to promote.
Hopefully, you'll find that covering shows like this is enjoyable. I could use some company. :)
(btw--today i'm in the peanut gallery for the lamont-schlesinger-lieberman debate.)
After enough of this you are going to need medication more than company :-)
Seriously, I've told you before that I appreciate your reporting on these programs --- a better man than me, Gunga Din.
John
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Democratic civilization is the first in history to blame itself because another power is trying to destroy it.
... Jean-François Revel
I've wondered that as well along with the Chris Matthews Show but I guess panelist aren't as fun as the weekly guests.
but I simply no longer watch these programs since they always skew the topic to the left. I just can't imagine any of these shows giving a reasonable response to any of today's current events...so, ignore is the proper response.
Sorry if this is varying from the normal view...
Formally known as Deagle... Let's Roll...
I appreciate the time you spend watching and summarizing the shows each week.
Not that I don't appreciate you providing a synopsis of the events... Thanks for the undoable agonizing effort!... Sorry if my previous response showed no support for your efforts...
the "Artist formerly known as Deagle"? No? Okay.
Seriously, I hear similar sentiments a lot: "Thanks for watching; I can't stand those shows." And there's a lot about them a conservative is bound not to like.
I come at this from my own angle, I guess. I've found something to like about each of the hosts save Steph, and except Steph, I'd love to talk news and politics with each of them.
Russert has certain beliefs, like his belief in the necessity of high taxes and his tendency to rely upon "known facts." I don't know that he's an independent thinker, but he is a bright and supposedly nice guy.
I could give similar statements about the rest.
Yes, there's a bias, but there is also I think what we in our sensitive states perceive as bias which might simply be asking a question which might be on the minds of viewers.
They obviously talk to too many journalists, mistaking those myopic opinions for those of non-journalists, but there's not much helping that. All of them but Steph have been journalists.
And I don't want to dismiss Steph out of hand. He might have the most raw brainpower of the bunch, and he connects well with bright guests. His early interviews with Rumsfeld were very good, I thought, but that was a long time ago.
Now if I could find a publisher, I'd release this reply in hardcover and make us all a fortune.
boy looks, and his association with Clinton. Actually that is kind of mean, but for the most part I think his interviews are terrible in general. Russert has definite political leanings on issues, but he at least seems to know how to conduct an interview.
to spell and pronounce last name...
Russert used to have credibility. No more. He's just a 527 media partisan shill now, that delights in making serious administration officials react to columns by Maureen Dowd and the like.
I tell you who I used to love to watch ask questions back in the 80s and 90s, and that was George Will. Brinkley and him used to ask questions and Will can really craft a question so that its hard not to answer it and the answer actually informs you.
Hugh Hewitt on the radio is the best interviewer I've heard in a long time as well.
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"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
Heck, I miss Sam and Cokie.
Brit and Kristol's or Krauthammer's comments on FNS. I like the shows when Gingrich is on, or Rummy or Cheney. But Russert is a real disappointment. I can even hear the hurt in Rush's voice talking about Tim. Rush had Tim on his show, a rarity, to sell his book, and Tim used to have Rush on every T-Giving on a taped CNBC show.
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"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
Yep, Deagle here... Tried to get my old moniker renewed, but it proved too difficult (since I had added a new one to comment - after the move, different email address). Oh well...
Nice of you to use "bias"... that was nice of you...hehe. Nice to see you again Mark...(my brothers name also, sorry had to add that)... Happy trails...
Wasn't it the liberal press who has been demanding that we work through the UN on all our foreign policy?
Damned if you do, damned if you don't...
"During my lifetime, most of the problems the world has faced have come from mainland Europe, and the solutions from outside it." - Thatcher
are just hard to please :-)
John
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Democratic civilization is the first in history to blame itself because another power is trying to destroy it.
... Jean-François Revel
Wallace portion of the show.
I think you were entirely too kind to Kerry, he came across as a blathering idiot in that interview.
Well Kerry is nothing but old news but I thought a
bit of
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7n3Y8k_i4QI
would help put things into perspective.
What a way to start a Sunday. It must be an agonizing few hours watching these shows with guys like Kerry, Hagel, Levin, etc.
All those Democrats are like Freddy Krueger. They just keep showing up. Chuck Hagel is particularly irritating. It's rumored that he's considering running for the Republican Presidential nomination. Funny but I always thought that you HAD to be a Republican to get the nomination. He should stick with those fearless Democratic stalwarts as Levin, Dodd, Kennedy and that Vietnam guy Lurch.
Anyway I just wanted to thank you for giving up your Sunday mornings for the greater common good.
isn't that the truth! glad someone is giving up their Sunday to do the unthinkable...
love these summaries. I shy away from posting here (as a loyal Democrat should), but I really admire the style you use putting these notes together.
And this was simply really too funny:
Chuck Hagel agreed with Levin on every point but was tricked by a clever Blitzer into admitting he was a Republican.
And, yes, it is maddening at times. (Levin-Hagle was tough and Kerry was unbelievable!)
Do you know who I miss? Chris Wallace is great at what he does, and I don't want to part with his show, but I really miss Tony Snow on Sunday mornings. He was the first host of FNS, and he also did a 12-3 show on Sundays.
dem and gop alike. Plus, his questions were not the easy, lazy questions everybody asks. You know, the gotchas and the what do you think about what they said. He asked questions designed to inform and get deep into an issue and how people think.
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"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
posting in the heart of conservative blogsphere, I refuse to comment about foxnews on the ground that it may incriminate me.
One point about the Sunday shows. Years ago there were two tables: press at one and the guest on the other. The format was clear: the press asked questions and the guest answered them.
Sometime in the early 80's this was changed. Now of course everyone sits at one table, or aligned in nice comfey chairs. The change reflects, I think, the blurring of lines between the press and politicians.
I liked it better when there were two tables. I think tougher questions were asked when everyone remembered their roles.
I am a litigator. There was on small courtroom I used to practice in where the judge and the lawyers set at the same table. Over time I realized that it resulted in less confrontation during cross-ex. The setting actually compromised the ability of the lawyers to do their job.
Depending on your attitude towards lawyers, this may or may not have been a good thing.
Great Work.
and former good Democrat Party activist, county party chairman in SC, convention delegate and frontman for the kooks for 20 years until my 6/2001 conservative epiphany, I think you have a good point about the dynamics of seating arrangements in various forums, but, I find no dearth of tough questioning of republicans today. I rarely see democrats aggressively questioned in the msm.
Here's hoping your Monday is filled with large fees from family members of weekend arrestees needing bond!
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"The trouble with our liberal friends is not that they're ignorant; it's just that they know so much that isn't so." - Ronald Reagan
You may learn something detrimental to your beliefs! Welcome, and keep a low profile..heh.

and i thank you for it. is there any chance you could include the mclaughlin group in future roundups? or do you exclude it because they don't invite guests, but instead only have panelist pundits?
thanks.