Carl Levin Goes Lincoln

Those who do not study history are free to make it up

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Watching the antics of the Democrat majority, especially that in the Senate, trying to have the Iraq issue both ways is turning out to be quite amusing. While some of my colleagues believe that the Iraq War, if still going on in 2008, will result in Republicans being punished at the polls I think the issue is immensely more complicated and the Democrats are struggling to find a way to make the issue a winner just as much as many Republicans are trying to keep it from being a loser.

Support for and opposition to the war is very soft. One only has to look a opinion polls over the past 4 years to discover that when things are going well in Iraq (successful elections, Saddam captured, the president taking time out from his busy schedule to talk about it) the numbers break the 50% support line. When things are perceived to be going badly, whatever that may be, then the numbers trend down. The trick for the Democrats is to be able to make the war, as conducted by the president, look bad while leaving themselves the room to claim credit if things turn around. Hence the calls for "change in direction." Above all, much to the chagrin of the nutroots, they have no intention of repeating the Democrat party's own experience of being saddled with the blame for losing the Vietnam war.

Today Carl Levin takes this lack of seriousness to a new level. To hear him tell it, the Senate Democrats aren't feckless opportunists counting on the deaths of a thousand or so more American troops to win a few votes in November 2008. No. Not at all. They are principled statesmen in the mode of Abraham Lincoln.

Read on.

From today's Washington Post:

In his only term in Congress, Abraham Lincoln was an ardent opponent of the Mexican War. He introduced a series of resolutions that challenged President James Polk to show the "spot" of American soil on which Mexicans had spilled American blood, and he voted for an amendment stating that the war was "unnecessarily and unconstitutionally begun by the President."

But when the question of funding for the troops fighting that war came, Lincoln voted their supplies without hesitation.

Sound familiar? President Bush recently vetoed a bill I helped draft because it would have required him to begin reducing U.S. force levels in Iraq within four months. In the wake of that veto, calls from those who want Congress to try to stop funding the war have grown louder

No senator, it really doesn't sound all that familiar.

Let's go back and review the chronology.

The Mexican War began in May 13, 1846. Lincoln was elected to Congress in August 3, 1846 taking his seat on March 4, 1847. Mexico City fell on September 15, 1847. His "Spot Resolutions", a misnomer to modern ears because the "resolutions" were all contained in a single document, were delivered on December 22, 1847. The Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo, ending the war, was signed a mere 42 days later on February 2, 1848.

While no one is doubting Lincoln ran for Congress of opposing the war, it is really questionable how serious his efforts were to interfere with the conduct of the war or to end it. In fact, Lincoln was given the opportunity to vote for a resolution which would have prohibited the US from taking territory from Mexico. One would think a principled opposition to the war would have extended to declining to benefit from its outcome. He declined. I suspect he figured out that most Americans were in favor of taking a huge swath of North America and hopped on that bandwagon with the same fervor as his opposition to the Mexican War.

Let's jump back to Senator Levin's op-ed.

But when the question of funding for the troops fighting that war came, Lincoln voted their supplies without hesitation.

Is that true? According to the Library of Congress only two bills funding the military came before that first session of the 30th Congress. HR 55 was passed on January 12, 1848 and HR 93 was passed on January 19, 1848. Both while the Treaty of Guadalupe Hidalgo was being negotiated. It would seem that the only funding vote Lincoln cast concerning the war was after the war was over. Ballsy move, that.

So what comparisons are we to make from this? The obvious ones are that the Democrats, like Lincoln, perceived an electoral advantage in running against a war that was unpopular in some segments of the nation. And once elected did nothing to end the war or mitigate its outcome.

Beyond that, Carl Levin has as much in common with the Great Emancipator as he has with George Washington: he's an older white guy who speaks English.

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Not true... by sdh

To suggest that Lincoln used the Mexican war only as a campaign issue is just not correct. He was deeply and passionately opposed to it.

There certainly are good reason to have doubts about the Iraq war, even if you have supported it (as I have) - I believe a man could love this country and want the best for it and be opposed to the war in Iraq. I am not omnipotent so I am even willing to concede he might be right.

I am reminded Reagan from a youtube clip that was on Redstate a while ago. He talked about fellow Americans who didn't support his policies and they way he characterized them was so different from the political discourse today that it felt like being splashed in the face with a bucket of ice water. He didn't question their patriotism or love of this country, he questioned their judgment. There was a respect for fellow citizens and Americans that is sadly lacking today in the political discourse on both sides.

okay, I'll bite by streiff

To suggest that Lincoln used the Mexican war only as a campaign issue is just not correct. He was deeply and passionately opposed to it.

He was against it for sure. Whether he was "deeply and passionately" opposed to the war or to the obvious expansion of slave states that would result is arguable.

His vote to permit territorial concessions to be demanded of Mexico doesn't strike one as a particularly principled stance.

Full disclosure, I'm not a big Lincoln idolator.

"A man can never have too much red wine, too many books, or too much ammunition." -- Rudyard Kipling

From Wikipedia -the ultimate source of truth :)

"He spoke out against the Mexican-American War, which he attributed to President Polk's desire for "military glory — that attractive rainbow, that rises in showers of blood." Besides this rhetoric, he also directly challenged Polk's claims as to the boundary of Texas.[14] Lincoln was among the 82 Whigs in January 1848 who defeated 81 Democrats in a procedural vote on an amendment to send a routine resolution back to committee with instructions for the committee to add the words "a war unnecessarily and unconstitutionally begun by the President of the United States." The amendment passed, but the bill never reemerged from committee and was never finally voted upon.[15]

Lincoln damaged his reputation by an intemperate speech in the House. He announced, "God of Heaven has forgotten to defend the weak and innocent, and permitted the strong band of murderers and demons from hell to kill men, women, and children, and lay waste and pillage the land of the just."

Also by sdh

"Polk Lied" was a favorite slogan of Lincoln when he posted on the early version of a blog.

BS by zuiko

He didn't question their patriotism or love of this country, he questioned their judgment.

You have any links to the transcripts of W speeches where he calls into question Democrats' patriotism or love of country? I'd love to see them.

There was a respect for fellow citizens and Americans that is sadly lacking today in the political discourse on both sides.

I'm really tired of this revisionism. Politics has always been nasty business. It was nasty in 1790, 1890, 1990, and it will be still be nasty in 2090. There is nothing exceptional about the environment of today. Before BDS there was RDS and before that there was NDS. The afflictions are all pretty similar if you ask me.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

Part of the reason for Reagan Democrats feel ok with massively joining him is that he never made them feel like they were stupid or ignorant for their past political affiliations. Nor did he make them feel like their friends and families who still supported democrats were the enemy, just misguided.

He almost ALWAYS appealed to the best in people, not the worst. His belief in this country and all its people was almost mystical.

A man may gain power through fear, divisiveness and intimidation, but he will never gain the LOVE that Reagan inspired and the undying respect that way.

And W does? by zuiko

Does W use fear, divisiveness, and intimidation? Does W appeal to the worst in people, not the best? Does W not believe in this country? If not, I'm not sure how this jives with the comments about the "political climate of today" with "both sides" being at fault. There are crazy bomb throwers in 2007. There were crazy bomb throwers in 1987. The president is and was not part of that crowd. If anything, W has been far too interested in going along to get along and making all the wrong friends in all the wrong places.
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Underlying most arguments against the free market is a lack of belief in freedom itself. - Milton Friedman

Hey... by sdh

I specifically did NOT mention W. Not once. You brought him into the discussion. Personally, I don't believe he is in the same class as Reagan. If you do, that's fine with me.

And, seeing as they most likely won't print it, reprint it here, for all to see (and Google).

"Who will stand/On either hand/And guard this bridge with me?" (Macaulay)

Great Fisking! by pwest

Great Fisking!

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