Denying Iran
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Yesterday, Mark I looked at the US military briefing laying out the evidence that Iranian-manufactured weapons have been provided to forces fighting the US in Iraq, principally Moqtada al-Sadr's Mahdi Army. This may be the tip of the iceberg, as rifles exported to Iran have also turned up in Iraq in insurgent hands.
There is fair debate about precisely how best to respond to this particular provocation. Certainly, full-scale war with Iran would be a bad thing for all concerned, and our policy for now should be aimed at raising the costs of this sort of thing to convince the Iranians that attacking U.S. troops is not in their interests. There are many different ways to do this, between overt and covert military actions and economic and to a lesser extent diplomatic screw-tightening; what we should be aiming for is reaching the point where Ahmadenijad and the other Iranian leaders wake up every morning saying to themselves "how do we get those ****** Americans to stop?" At the same time, the longstanding fact of military life is that when you hit the other guy back, you had better be prepared for him to escalate, and know how you respond next. So the next steps are perilous - but continuing to let them attack without consequence is perilous, too. Our guys in the field need to know that we don't take this (or, specifically, won't let them take this) sitting down.
It's been interesting to see the frantic responses from the Democrats and the left side of the blogosphere. Two of the complaints about the Iraq War, you will recall, are that (1) we have enabled the Iranians to gain undue influence in Iraq and (2) we should have dealt with Iran first. In fact, Iranian meddling in Iraq isn't news to either side of the aisle. But then, those criticisms were leveled by the people who always want to deal with any problem except the one at hand, and they've gone much quieter lately.
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First up, John Kerry:
Ultimately, they [Iran] want an Iraq that is stable. They want influence. They want to be players in the region. And we need to [recognize] that and engage in a kind of diplomacy that the Iraq Study Group recommended…
The idea that Iran wants a stable Iraq, at least in the sense that we would think of stability, is so delusional it's not even worth discussing. What needs to be done is to force the Iranians to decide that a stable Iraq is in their interests - but you can't just wave a magic wand and assume that the other side already agrees with you.
Then we have Sen. Jack Reed:
The question is: is this a deliberate policy of the Iranian government at the highest levels. Is it rogue elements within the government?" Mr Reed told Fox News. He added: "And then the other question is to what extent are there countervailing signals that the Iranians actually are trying to — not control, but not to further raise the stakes in Iraq," he said.
At some level, the question of who authorized war against us is beside the point. Power in Iran is diffuse - Iran is a tyranny, but not a dictatorship. The mullahs are the principal power, but they may not be any more monolithic than the Saudi royal family; Ahmadenijad holds elected office only at their sufferance, but he's not without influence. At the end of the day, though, this isn't a criminal trial in which we are trying to affix individual punishment - it's a matter of stopping something that's emanating from the borders of a sovereign state. (And color me skeptical that munitions are manufactured and distributed without the government's involvement). If we apply sufficient pressure on the regime, I have no doubt that the regime has the power to to make it stop, and if it doesn't, well, then Iran has lost control over its own territory and we need to take matters into our own hands.
A number of left-leaning sources have cited comments by General Peter Pace as somehow undermining the contents of the briefing:
"We know that the explosively formed projectiles are manufactured in Iran. What I would not say is that the Iranian government, per se [specifically], knows about this," he said. "It is clear that Iranians are involved, and it's clear that materials from Iran are involved, but I would not say by what I know that the Iranian government clearly knows or is complicit."
In other words, Pace knows what is clear from Iraq - that Iranian-made stuff is being used against our guys. The sensitive intel part of this is tracing it to the regime, although as I said, on some level that's beside the point. One of the central defenses of terror-sponsoring regimes has been deniability - hit first, deny responsibility later. Here, we can trace the source to inside Iran - that should be enough to make the Iranians take responsibility.
Then we have Juan Cole, who disputes the accounts of Iranian support almost entirely on the basis that Shi'ites don't cooperate with Sunnis. Of course, that ignores not only the mounting problem of Shi'ite violence but also the fact that the Iranians have been supporting both sides. Which may make no sense if you are locked into academic categories, but makes eminent sense if you regard this as an exercise in power politics (after all, they are not the only ones meddling in Iraq).
Next up is Glenn Greenwald, who has a long post complaining about the lack of credibility of anonymous sources. Funny, Greenwald has very regularly relied on anonymously-sourced reports about US surveillance and detention policies and other issues that provide fodder for criticism of the Bush Administration. In fact, what is different here from the typical anonymously sourced report is that this is an official briefing with the imprimatur of the Administration, as opposed to an unknown axe-grinder. And note that the champions of Valerie Plame are suddenly unable to grasp that sensitive intelligence sources, including the identities of military intelligence personnel, are not well-served by the disclosure of their identities to the media.
The Iranian problem is indeed complex, presenting many different strands that need to be resolved. But sticking our heads in the sand while the regime that took 52 US hostages in 1979 and killed 240 Marines in the Beiruit bombing in 1983 does it again is not an answer.
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Leave them nothing after the first strike. We might as well face up to the fact that if this world is ever to become more civilized, the uncivilized must be eliminated.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
Because that's what saying "the uncivilized must be eliminated" means.
"During my lifetime, all our problems have come from mainland Europe, and all the solutions from the English-speaking nations across the world." - Thatcher
Don't go there.
"No compromise with the main purpose, no peace till victory, no pact with unrepentant wrong." - Winston Churchill
I should have expanded it to say eliminated through the removal of oppressive, theocratic governments to provide freedom and liberty to the common person.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
But you've got to stop with the bomb-throwing. There's a limit to the site's indulgence, and you're right up on the edge of it.
This is the squishy-soft RiNO asking. Don't bum out my day by making me have to pull the trigger.
The Fuzzy Puppy of the VRWC.
In the future I will try to be far more careful in my semantics so that my intent will less likely to be misconstrued. My apologies to anyone who was offended.
I am going to take a week off for further reflection.
Envisioning when all that is Left is the Right.
your behavior is getting close to stalking here.
I'd advise you to concern yourself with your own comments and less with Tbone's. Ideally, you two will ignore each other.
"During my lifetime, all our problems have come from mainland Europe, and all the solutions from the English-speaking nations across the world." - Thatcher
will not cause the Iranians to stop killing Americans.
Doing something will cause the Iranians to continue to kill Americans.
Maybe we should all hide under our beds?
Damned if we do,damned if we don't
I don't understand why America is reluctant to strike back at a counrty that has been killing our people unpunished for 28 years?
"You never need a firearm,until you need it BADLY!"
Enough to close both the border with Iran and Syria. Say another 75 helicopters alternatley perched near the borders and all major roads.
The closing of roads, if possible, in certain areas as well as infrared feeds from space or Awacs over various areas of the border.
And if they are crossing, you shoot them on sight. No, catch and release.
What will it take for Democrats to accept that Iran is supplying our enemies in Iraq with weapons?
Over at DailyKos, they are denying this is the case and claiming there is no evidence that the high levels or Iran government are behind it.
An outright admission by Iran's leader?
Which of course we won't get - evidence is his refusal to answer the question in Diane Sawyer's interview with him.
Over there,and is the MSM much different, it matters not that the Iranians are helping to kill, and perhaps themselves killing, American troops. The ones the Left supports!
It may do some good to remind oneself that you're talking about savages.
"a man's admiration for absolute government is proportinate to the contempt he feels for those around him". Tocqueville
And to an extent, the solution isn't either.
I don't really know much about the internal dynamics of Iranian politics, but to me, that issue is largely besides the point. Of course Iran seeks to influence events in Iraq. Of course Iran hopes to work with Shi'ites in Iraq as the primary means of exercising that influence. Of course Iran is nervous about over 100k US and British troops in Iraq.
And, of course we need to limit Iranian influence in Iraq. If we use diplomacy, then we must understand that diplomacy must be backed up by credible threats. Covert operations, disrupting the supply train is certainly called for. We need to secure Iraq's borders. We should probably do what we can to support democratic elements in Iran.
I cannot for the life of me understand what is being advocated here, aside from the usual focus on what liberals are saying. The fact is that the Iranian situation has boiled to a head, and no one has a proper fix.
We've ruled out negotiations with Iran long ago, long enough to not tread backward and open up talks-- the weakness of that position is obvious.
And yet, Iran finds their own avenues into Iraq, and I don't just speak of weapons and terrorists. News of a joint venture for a national bank, reconstruction aid, et al is, in my opinion, just as damaging to the American mission in Iraq, because it opens the door for Iranian successes in areas of American failures. The long term consequences of this are disastrous.
If anyone is interested in a 'should have': We should have opened up diplomacy with Iran long ago, as we quietly worked together to topple the equally hated Taliban. Diplomatic normalization would have given us channels of influence, a better grip of the controls over the middle east, and a way of forcing regional players onto a track of peace and stability. Perhaps it wouldn't have worked, but now we'll never know.
I'm sorry, but no one can convince me that Hezballah, Holocaust denial, American hostages from 1979, meddling in Iraq or any other reason is STRONG enough NOT to talk to the Iranians. Didn't we have an embassy in Moscow after all? Is this silent treatment a sign of our strength? I'd argue hardly, and with regards to Syria, our excuses are even more absurd, they being a fairly secular, corrupt, military regime who are more than ready to work with us in moving the middle east forward.
For the moment, it seems as though no one wants a war with Iran, but we are inching closer to one.
There's no question Iranian weapons are in Iraq, what's surprising for me is how long it took for it to hit the news. There's also no question that Iran will do all it can to make the American mission more difficult, but they doesn't necessarily mean they do not want Iraqi stability. Do you think they enjoy being the world's largest destination for refugees?
Iran is indeed setting up a proxy conflict in Iraq, and we are the target. But it didn't have to be that way, and these are consequences that have risen from our actions as much as theirs.
By removing their hated enemy Saddam Hussien and they repaid the favor by funding,supplying and arming Iranian proxy forces in Iraq.
Bill, you remember when you used to get picked on by the bully in grammer school?
Sure you do, and you know from that experience that talking to the bully never got him to stop taking your lunch money or giving you super atomic wedgies.
The only thing that made him stop picking on you was to screw up your courage and haul off and slug him on the beak,he might have beat you mercilessly after that but at least you got a punch in or that once punch was enough to make the bully go looking for easier prey.
Iran has been giving the United States super atomic wedgies for the past 28 years.
They started in 1979 and our wuss President at that time didn't have the intestinal fortitude to screw up his courage and pop Iran on the beak when it would have been far less costly than it will be now.
Iran has been killing Americans on a regular basis for years and for some reason we are reluctant to pop them on the beak.
Iran is in severe need of a bloody nose.
It's time to administer one.
"You never need a firearm,until you need it BADLY!"
quite unfortunate and misguided reasoning. The international arena is not a playground, nor are we in the 2nd grade.
For all our current challenges in the mideast and south asia, we still very much have an overwhelming upper hand on Iran. But I would suggest there are much wiser things to do than walk over to their backstop and punch them in the face.
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