President Bush To Enlarge The Military

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President Bush tells the Washington Post that he plans to expand the size of the U.S. military to better meet the challenges of a long-term global war against Islamic extremists.

I'm inclined to believe that we do need to increase our troops, the army, the Marines. And I talked about this to [Defense] Secretary [Robert M.] Gates and he is going to spend some time talking to the folks in the building, come back with a recommendation to me about how to proceed forward on this idea.

This is great news, but I cannot resist the temptation to say it's about [expletives deleted] time. Secretary Rumsfeld should have recommended this years ago.

The Army has already been temporarily increased by 30,000 over the 482,000 active-duty soldiers in 2001. The Army wants to make the increase permanent and continue to grow by an additional 7,000 soldiers per year. It is estimated that every 10,000 additional soldiers costs about $1.2 billion a year.

A transcript excerpt from the Post's interview with President Bush is available here.

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Watch the numbers carefully by Neil Stevens

What do you want to bet some Democrats and RMSPers are going to double count the troops we've been paying for in the supplementals when they're added permanently, for the purposes of calculating future tax increases "fiscal conservatism?"
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This debate about adding to the military, and these reports that we're "stretched perilously thin" perplex and enrage me. Maybe someone out there who understands our military better than me can help explain matters.

We spend $400 billion dollars a year on our military -- a gargantuan sum by any measure. And we have a standing army that numbers....what... 600,000 Army and 200,000 Marines, plus Navy and Air Force who don't count for much in Iraq. But with all that money and all those troops, we can't send another 25,000 or so without calling up reserves, or messing around with rotations, or "enlarging" the military, or bringling back conscription? Where are our hundreds of thousands of additional troops? Are they guarding Germany still, or Japan, or upstate NY, or what? Or, have we got this great big lie of a military where only ten percent of them really know any lethal skills, and the remainder are really only suited for desk jobs? Is this that oft-quoted "tail to tooth" ratio, so that ten "military" support one fighting man? And would that then mean that of 120,000 troops in Iraq only 10-20,000 are really killers and the rest are desk jockeys? Is that our problem there?

And what of the "two wars" doctrines that we've been sold for all these years as we've footed the bill for all this? We can't apparently handle two battles inside Baghdad simultaneously, much less two wars.

Am I wrong here, or has our military gone terribly bad? And I'm not criticizing the fighting men, just the "leaders" in Crystal City and the Pentagon.

I met a lot of what I termed as "hiders" during my 26 year stay in the Navy. The ones who managed to find rotations off the few vessels they did serve on before deployment. The Navy fixed part of that by strongly tying evaluation/advancement to operational service in the fleet (seems like a no-brainer doesn't it). When the Navy hit us with term limits tied to paygrade, alot of those hiders who had not advanced because of lack of operational time got flushed out. I wonder if the other services had similar problems. In fairness, the logistical requirements to keep battle groups at sea or troops deployed is enormous. Non-combatant logistical types are an absolute requirement, we can't fight without them. But to make a long story short, yes, a large portion of end strength is non-combatants and of course a fair share is the sick, lame and lazy.

The longer we dwell on our misfortunes the greater is their power to harm us - Voltaire

It seems to me that far more important than the number of people we have in uniform is a more wholesale rethinking of our military strategies and tactics, rules of engagement, weaponry and systems, etc.

Our military is designed to fight and overwhelmingly defeat the sort of threat that is becoming increasingly rare in today's world -- largely because our military is so adept at dispensing that sort of threat.

While I certainly can't say that conventional armies are obsolete among potential foes (see: China, NoKo, Russia), it does seem probable that most of the fighting we'll be doing in the coming decades will be counterinsurgency-type assymetrical engagement.

And, let's face it, we're not really that good at it yet. To his unending credit, I think Donald Rumsfeld courageously (ie, a lot of equity in the status quo) began the process of redesigning our military. But it seems we have a ways to go....and I'll have to be convinced that doing so will necessarily require larger numbers.

...but where are these extra 70,000 troops going to come from? It's not like we have been turning prospective troops away from service. Perhaps we should have an American Foreign Legion. Anyone pledging loyalty(and passes background checks, etc) can serve in their own branch and at the end of tour, they and their immediate family(spouse/kids) becomes citizens. I suppose if they are KIA their surviving family will still gain citizenship. This might kill two birds with one stone.

But like the Libertarian Hawk said, it's really more of a matter than tactics than raw numbers. There have been a number of missteps made, and the administration needs to be more careful not to repeat them.

First, we can't have enough Arabic translators. There have been a dozen or 3 translators discharged simply because they were gay. Each of them should be contacted, and given the opportunity to serve again, and if the generals complain, put them in a non-military group(CIA/NSA/etc).

Second, we should talk to Ian and Syria. No, talking with your enemies doesn't make you weak, but if the violence can be reduced, even by a little, than it can save American lives. And we don't need to be singing campfire songs either. It can be as simply as getting both sides to stop supplying the insurgents and death squads.

Third, the insurgents are Iraqis. If we want to stay in the country for the longterm, we need to try to work with the community to help ostracize the insurgents from the general populace. That also means cracking down on idiots like this who only serve to drive a wedge between the US forces the Iraqis.

Forth, I was reading today that we are starting to have equipment issues. Desert regions cause havoc with equipment breaking down rapidly. We should consider licensing some Israeli equipment like the Tavor TAR-21 rifle, whose shorter barrel length would be a benefit in close-urban fighting.

Hm, that's all for this rambling.

Tell Howie I said hi (ht) by Neil Stevens

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we don't have enough. And the specialists don't get paid enough. Tell you what, how about the Democratic congress eliminate the Farm Program and the Dept of Education and transfer those monies to the Defense Department. That would be a real help.

Don't bother rambling any more. You're not worth the effort.
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If "pro" is the opposite of "con", what is the opposite of "progress"?

an increase in our combat infantry and artillery forces should be very doable. I believe we have raised the upper age limit to 42 or something similar -- this reflects the fact that people are more physically fit at that age than in the past.

Another change that should be made, and that I think would have wide support, would be to change the terms of the GI Bill through which veterans attend college. After WWII, the Bill paid for all tuition, no matter what institution the veteran attended, as well as expenses, books, etc and a stipend for living expenses. As I undertand it, the current GI Bill provides a fixed amount per month (I believe it's $800) so if the veteran does not have access to other funds, an expensive school or graduate or professional study is out of reach. This should be changed, and I think this would make a big difference. I believe there is a bill in Congress that would make these changes, and the much-despised Jim Webb ran on this as one of his issues in the VA Senate race. Restoring the terms of the original GI Bill would help recruiting and seems only fair to the sacrifices being made by our soldiers.

A DRAFT? by OneWifeForLife

Will it be necessary? Under what circumstances could you support it?

Will it be necessary to quit it? Under what circumstances would you stop?
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just say no by streiff

to threadjacking.

If you want to discuss that subject and have something cogent to say, then write a diary.

UnPopular but I believe Needed by OneWifeForLife

I am prejudiced in favor of a draft.
My son served 14 months in Afghanistan and Iraq.
I DO NOT want to force the completely unwilling to fight for our country. We all know that their "service" would be useless.
But I do believe that we should strongly consider a draft to expand our forces, IF DEEMED NECESSARY by our military generals.

Streiff, I believe my comments are pertinent to this topic.

first off by streiff

you didn't make anything that could be regarded as a comment.

Second. It isn't relevant because the story isn't about a draft.

Third. I told you not to threadjack. You have the avenue of actually writing a diary and posting it for discussion. You don't have the avenue of using this story to discuss your issue.

You can either 1) write the diary, 2) drop the issue, or 3) pursue the course you've chosen here, bickering. It is up to you, I'm fine with your decision whatever it may be.

football in the hands of fools like Rangle. If you want to associate with those folks, do it on your own time.

I have yet to speak to a single person on active duty who favored a draft. My son is a retired US Marine and you wouldn't get half way thru your silly idea with him.

If we are going to upsize the military, add more recruiters.
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Add more recruiters? by Neil Stevens

I'd be interested to see Raven's reply to that, heh.

Anyway, I'd think the best way to get more volunteers would be to raise the pay.
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more recruiters by streiff

works. For instance, when you look at the number of Active Army recruiters by year

2001 6,220
2002 6,433
2003 6,207
2004 5,119
2005 6,401
2006 6,279

can you guess why the Army missed its recruiting goal for FY 05? and why they've made in consistently since?

OK I'm sold by Neil Stevens

That's rather striking. What happened? Did a bunch of recruiters get themselves transferred into Iraq to get in on the action?
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Streiff, you have my apology.
Like you, I want our country to have a strong military.
"Adding more recruiters" and "to raise the pay" are two ideas I could also embrace.
Whatever it takes, Let's Give It!

 
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